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[REVOSPRING crosspost] a little convoluted for sure but: are there are darkworld npcs, big roles or small, that peak yr interest insofar what they ‘mean’ for kris n asriel? places where u see patterns (fear of abandonment, parental control, brother lust, important themes) or whatnots
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I'm actually going to rewrite this answer and go off-book from the original REVO, creating a very confusing nonfunctional nonlinear archive. But I've had more time to think about everyone!!
Firstly.... ahhh, Seam as an older, esteemed toy which doesn't suffer so much indignity as the others... has a special place on the Dreemurr bedroom's computer background, in an image signed by both Kris and Azzy-- collaborative art? It's sweet they clearly personified their toys so hard that they transcended media, likely inserting them into the computer games they were attempting to compose together. Seam uses 'atashi' as a personal pronoun, while Jevil uses 'boku', which is very interesting. Between Jevil + Seam, I would assume Kris played Jevil while Asriel-- with the mage preference-- would play Seam! Asriel played a female mage in SMASH, afterall... Seam describes Jevil's descent into madness and corruption, but they also convey a regret, and find life boring & predictable (like Ralsei, they seem too familiar with the legend to be surprised by much). I'd like to think Kris was always a captivating challenge to Asriel's natural obedience to strictures... it likely would have always been preferable to follow Kris's madness, than to stick to the rules. Seam's longing to have defected in the past, could represent Asriel's own desires. Seam assisting in breaking Jevil free, now, has implications too (:
Next I love every object subject to, or allied with, or a part of, Kris's dirty cheater and thief habits.... the Pippins, the Flying Aces, Ramb, the stolen remote................... things regarded BY other darkners as untrustable nasties. I love that Kris is bringing this ENERGY to the RP. Everyone is so complicit and loyal to Kris-- obviously Tenna and Ramb will lie to everyone else and hide Kris's threats and fountain-making. The familiarity is charming. I'd take from this that Kris's nasty traits were never enough to make them hated!! Part of what's so endearing about them .... ♥
I like that Ramb is SMUG! about Kris having stolen them, it makes them feel more IMPORTANT, valuable, special, than all the bespoke objects. The Seven Flying Aces also describe Kris as coloring them in with care! Such sentimentality! Even if something derelict is being done, there's still preciousness, and thought taken towards the why. Isn't it wonderful when someone would break a rule for you, or wanted something enough to misbehave...? That has implications similar to the Seam/Jevil dynamic (:!
I've been thinking lately about Queen as possibly a character Dess played with Kris (jury's out on Azzy)... given Ramb's line about a girl playing with Queen, with Kris on King's side. I personally believe that if Noelle were the girl in this story specifically, that she'd just have to recognize the setting/characters/vibe... but it's not familiar to her at all, seemingly. It only makes her think about Dess, and how much she'd like the Cybercity, how much it resembles the places Dess told her about....
I could see such a boisterous rowdy feminine personality being the Dess contribution... Queen is protective about Noelle, wants to give her the world... maybe that's an echo of Dess's feelings. I enjoy how Queen treats Kris LOL, she enjoys their ah, agreeableness, placidity, easily vents around them...? Lets something 'go'... spills her woes upon this unintimidating kid... makes me wonder what Kris was to Dess. An outlet? Someone who wouldn't gossip or ask questions...? No pressure....?
All the dented instruments strewn about Dess's room (Queen do be throwing and exploding things), and such runaway vibes... Queen is always calling everyone Children, dumb, bragging she's smarter...
even the imagery of the Cyberworld calls to mind Dess... the turquoise shade, rhythm games (now that we've seen Raise Your Bat!!!), sportsballs lol! The MOON is a baseball........ I hope her and Kris would play arcade games!! Ah I could see her craving to humiliate Kris at vidya.... Queen fucking teabags you if you lose her final battle, RRGGHHH we can't talk about this with Dess LOL. I DO NOT THINK NOELLE WOULD DO THIS, personally!!
Oh yeah, and Queen's design is inspired by Hexidecimal from Reboot + the Xenomorph... I could see both of those franchises being things Dess stans :B don't you....?
Queen's ultimate solution to woes is escapism... offering everyone a 'new world'... that could speak to Dess's own short-sighted desire to flee her trappings, run away. Maybe it seemed that simple. But the mysterious voice we can find deep in the gamefiles, seems regretful for not appreciating everything she had in her life. That's comparable yet contrasting, to Seam's desire to have done differently. Maybe the older kids all have some regret, for what they did and didn't do with the people around them.
I did find Tenna's abandonment issues interesting, but especially his spitting out accusatory or entitled statements, not understanding WHY Asriel would go to college!!!! YOU USED TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME TOGETHER, WHY DO YOU NOT ANYMORE!!!!!! PUT IT BACK!!!! PLAY WITH ME!!!!! YOU LIKED ME THEN!!! WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!!!!! I also find it interesting Kris is unsympathetic to Tenna, isn't moved by his histrionics, can just say that guy sucks, hits him distinctly hard in battle. By comparison Kris is capable of being more shook up about Spamton's feelings...? I would say Tenna's entitlement and screaming nostalgia for the good ol' days resemble a childish tantrum Kris might hate inside of themselves... being not gracious or understanding of Asriel leaving, things changing; angry and belligerent and clingy and LOUD, and ENTITLED... and also pathetic, pleading, desperate, begging.... performing ostentatious entertainment for attentions, praise....... Kris cannot be phased by this tantrum. Not endeared by it. I don't know if Kris was ever capable of expressing something like that directly.... maybe only through the RP. Kris was quite the clown growing up, don't you think? I would think the bone-deep motivation for that was to receive attentions.... LAUGH!! PRAISE ME!!!
Tenna mentions Kris not liking him, and then we learn in MANTLE's gameplay that Kris had very bluntly threatened Tenna to comply with instructions. It seems to be implied that Kris is the reason the TV has been unplugged. It's important Tenna ignore his own sensitive feelings and enact the plan. Well..........
Much to say about "moving on" in DELTARUNE. Tenna is refusing to move on despite being irrelevant... and then Ralsei drops in to be like "well, you have to accept becoming irrelevant and discarded... if we express/show pain about it, it'll only make [lightners] unhappy" which is kind of everything both siblings are oozing. I guess for both Kris & Asriel, who seem afraid of the inevitability of being forced apart as they grow up, Tenna's feelings may evoke a cringing emotion from Kris, and sorry (but unhelpful doomer) pity from Asriel (who also fears irrelevancy). I think Ralsei offers a little more to Tenna than he could for Spamton, though. I think neither really like to look at Tenna directly. Hot stove. Susie kinda has to step in with the notion that Tenna could simply be rehomed .... <- this is probably not a fantasy Asriel/Kris could really dream up, and it might only be more upsetting if confronted without so much obfuscation. You need a complete 3rd party to resolve the issues in a new way.
Meanwhile.... The sheer MANIA of spamton is closer to Asriel's kind of character to me, and his glasses evoke Asriel's junky bootleg controller...? I've been trying to dwell on pink/yellow ever since the detail of the controller granted to us in MANTLE (really the entire area you play MANTLE in appears to be analogous to beneath Asriel's bed, where the controller and console lie...). Swatch-- who I assume represents an MS paint style of program-- provided the color for the angel-wing design Spamton parasitizes... I assume that means Asriel was drawing up designs for the game him and Kris were working on, and never completed. Spamton is some rogue thing that is trying to adorn self in these relics... whether it is, because of parasitizing Azzy and Kris's incomplete boss, or whether it is naturally Spamton's quality, we must acknowledge that various lines evoke Flowey and thus Asriel, OK.
The fixation on Kris's heart and the covetous GIVE IT TO ME!!! GIVE ME!!!!!! (even as an asset for power/control) I think it's NOT NOTHING (especially given whatever we're doing to Kris's soul that's wearing them down!), and I think this absurd frantic mania is actually something Kris can be way more sympathetic towards than Tenna's childish melodrama. Spamton has a frantic, I'LL OFFER YOU ANYTHING!! SOMETHING ELSE!! WHAT DO YOU WANT?? YOU CAN HAVE IT--! I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT--! [incoherent] I just think it's conveyed as so absurd it's stupid. ... but if we imagine Tenna's dramatics are imagined by a Kris unable to represent their own emotions charitably, maybe Asriel could only represent his emotions in an equally uncharitable, cartoonish character.
While Kris hates Tenna, Ralsei is very dismissive and handwaves Spamton off as just some malfunctioning program... which I think is similar to how we see Ralsei wanting to handwave his own meltdowns. I really don't think Asriel sees that behavior as worthy of pity or recognition. Uhm it's just freaking the fuck out embarrassingly because it is broken, you do not need to think about it..... Kris does not have an easy time shaking off Spamton's outburst... you'd think if Kris was just sympathetic to all Darkners that there'd be no difference between Tenna, Spamton, King, Queen, but it's kindof thus far only Spamton's outburst that makes Kris briefly shut down. Though MANTLE shows us a Kris sweaty and strained from pure investment and excitement, and I have been wondering if reactions to Spamton are similar to the thrill of MANTLE's boss... <- scarey but also very stimulating and want to play... like game you're also afraid of...
It's kinda funny then that Tenna even feels abandoned by Spamton who apparently offered him some kind of deal & then failed to deliver on it & he's left frantically trying to pull things together on his lonesome. And then you have Spamton surprised & delighted Tenna secretly kept his Pipis,, and Tenna refusing to acknowledge even knowing him..................... much to think about in regards to Azzy and Kris roleplaying................. This is the kind of 4D nonsense I can think about.....
one must imagine the embarrassing situation of Asriel using a stupid silley voice to call Kris's friend hochi mama and Kris absolutely screaming in laughter .....
I think uhm, potentially Asriel and Kris having OCs who were like, KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW!!!! KILL YOUR TV!!!! ST UPID FUCKING MAILMAN!!!!!! I HATE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!.... on the whole... while in real life being very coddling and attached to one another... makes me think about the kid's OCs all having some element that is unexpected, contradicts their public image. In the case of Dess/Queen, the sheer silliness might have been something Dess wouldn't be open about with anyone other than Kris............... if she was such a cool girl, being like OOHOHOHO and "Kris get the banana"... mighta been, something fun exactly because it clashes with her usual image.... Kris, is quite a shy and quiet person, so one of their play personas coulda been a TV show host demanding applause... Asriel is considerate and selfless, so perhaps a play persona is a seedy nasty conman........
all this does leave me with a big gaping mystery of what Noelle and Kris may have played.... obviously they did play, for hours, and Kris used to interrupt it to play piano suddenly. I am assuming whatever Noelle played will destroy us all somehow, and also maybe make us see another angle of Kris, who played along. We know of the scarey spookey pranks, but I'm sure there was much more to it than that, especially since they shared a babysitter.... which would imply they had plenty of time separated from everyone else.
... all of this stuff is why I don't really care for engaging with these toys as individuals-- I don't need emotional fulfilment for Spamton or Tenna or Seam, Queen... I'm invested in the children with histories, whos feelings or beliefs or secrets may come out in their silly touy games! AS IT COMES OUT IN ALL OF OUR TOY GAMES.
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