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Conservatives when you exhaustively break down every single way the American system of government has been used to oppress and cheat its own citizens, but at one point you used the word "democracy"
I live in Canadistan. This is a third world country but if I kill someone who tries to harm me and mine, I’m the one who goes to jail while the perp walks free. Fuck Trudeau
"real Anarchists" you've got a long history of refusing to define what you even think anarchism is in the first place my guy, you're certainly no authority to tell others what it is or what anarchists believe in the first place. This is even the second time I've seen you accuse "Anarchists" of becoming government employees yet also refusing to provide any context or examples to back it up.
If you truly believed in the right to property and self defense, you wouldn't beg corporate bought politicians to protect you, coward.
Men who get scared over Internet arguments don't ask other men to protect them.
I've been on the internet for a long time and I noticed that a lot of white saviors who label themselves as "allies" end up being just as racist as their rightwing counterpart. Not a whole lot but still too many imo. Dobson sounds like that type to brag about how he supports BLM but will talk shit about Asian or Hispanic people. Were there instances where Dobson outed himself as a racist?
I’ve seen people make that argument regarding how he depicted his former college roommate.
Remember when Dobson made a bunch of racist comics making fun of his Chinese roommate, who eventually worked for Disney? 1) His name is Ke J
And you could probably argue it for his weird hateboner for Hideo Kojima…
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Actually, come to think of it, Dobson has said a lot of semi-racist stuff about Japanese media….
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to be clear, the poster on the right is not calling jews skunks. the “skunk” in the poster refers to a specific chemical weapon, literally called skunk, made by israel and sold to law enforcement around the world
there have been credible reports of skunk being used to attack pro-palestinian liberation demonstrators at columbia, which anyone with access to google can find out about
and i would bet quite a bit of money that the tweeting op knows that and just doesn’t care, because why let a little thing like the truth get in the way of your cheap propaganda?
And this is why no-one takes you seriously. If this is what your definition of "chemical weapon" is then it has no meaning, because now pepper spray and Raid are "chemical weapons". You're also conveniently ignoring the usage of "IOF", a term used to indicate the rejection of Israel's right to exist as an independent state, and anyone with a brain knows what would happen to the millions of Jews and Druze and Christians and wrong-type-of Muslims should the other side in this war somehow win. Idk about you, but I don't think that pointing out very concerning truths such as those is "propaganda".
>"If this is what your definition of "chemical weapon" is then it has no meaning, because now pepper spray and Raid are "chemical weapons".
First of all, Google is free.
Second of all, Israel does not have a right to exist. No state has a "right to exist," especially not a state that exists to uphold an ethnoreligious apartheid regime. Especially not a state founded through ethnic cleansing, settler colonialism, and yes, continuing military occupation.
I'm sorry you've fallen victim to this false dichotomy narrative that the two options are a Jewish-supremacist bloodthirsty and exclusionary state OR an Islamic-supremacist bloodthirsty and exclusionary state. The choices are not "status quo or Hamas rule." Has it genuinely not occurred to you that a third option, a free and democratic state where all citizens enjoy equal status and equal protection before the law, might be worth at least contemplating?
And finally, this isn't a "war." A population under military occupation, by definition, cannot wage "war" against their occupiers. War is between sovereign nations. Hamas is not an internationally-recognised legitimate government, and Gaza is not a sovereign nation. Using the term "war" is just echoing Israel's position that they are engaging in a legitimate armed campaign of self-defense, when the reality is they are intensifying a 15-year long effort to flatten Gaza, empty it of Palestinians, and colonise it for themselves.
Israel does not have a right to exist, blah blah leftist buzzwords
Cool, cool, so what happens to the millions of Israelis who know no other home? Or do they not matter to you?
he choices are not "status quo or Hamas rule."
Can you show me a third side in this war? Because if not, yes they are.
Has it genuinely not occurred to you that a third option, a free and democratic state where all citizens enjoy equal status and equal protection before the law, might be worth at least contemplating?
That would sure be nice. Too bad Israel itself is the only state even approaching a democracy in the entire region-or are you going to tell me that Fatah's little fiefdom is akshually a democratic wonderland?
. Using the term "war" is just echoing Israel's position that they are engaging in a legitimate armed campaign of self-defense
So October 7th just...didn't happen? Because that would have to be the case for your "they're not defending themselves, they're the aggressors!" line to be true.
when the reality is they are intensifying a 15-year long effort to flatten Gaza, empty it of Palestinians, and colonise it for themselves.
Yes, that's definitely the plan, which is why everyone up to and including Netanyahu has stated that the occupation won't be permanent and that they want to set up a (still vague) non-Hamas Palestinian government. You, with your ability to read minds, have correctly deduced that Israel is going to attempt the equivalent of the US making Iraq the 51st state, because the most evil option possible must always be their goal regardless of minor things like basic geopolitical knowledge. Honestly, I'm amazed you were able to refrain from the Henry Ford-style rhetoric about muh ZioNazis that your side is so wedded to these days.
Ah, yes, because rules about war apply to an attack on a civilian protest. It's not like countless cops and civilians around the world carry pepper spray.
Also, it's not actually anyone else's job to make your argument for you.
Also, this doesn't actually disprove the idea that you use the most dramatic phrasing possible.
Which is why you carefully didn't mention that this horrible Chemical weapon apparently produced, um, the equivalent of a bad hangover.
While stanning a side that regularly attacks and jeopardizes civilian non-combatants.
If the attack happened as described, I will cheerfully say that it was terrorism. Terrorism is bad, no matter who does it. Somehow, that kind of stance is too much for many people like you.
Also, I love how you smug about Google while you assumed, with no evidence, that OP was actively lying.
>So October 7th just…didn't happen? Because that would have to be the case for your "they're not defending themselves, they're the aggressors!" line to be true.
Not to mention 23 years of unguided rockets shot at Israel. And it's civilians.
Weird how Hama-stans only care about civvie casualties when they're Palestinian and can somehow be blamed on Israel.
The original post gets some context that actually deflates the “MUh antisemitism” narrative being pushed by OP, and these two graduates of Clown College show up to honk their noses, yet again proving themselves to be some of the most pedantic IOF bootlickers on the face of the earth
Sad!
Tl;dr is both of them are viciously stupid when they’re not blatantly lying, it’s almost surprising they’re not being paid to shill for the IOF.
This is mostly semantics, because it’s all these mfers have to hide behind anymore. The longer time goes on the more shit slips past the net of IDF propaganda and into mainstream knowledge, making it harder and harder for creatures like these two to keep defending it.
“That’s not a chemical weapon”
“Ok it is but it’s not a very good one”
Irrelevant, as it’s already been discussed that the second poster in the OP is not referring to people, but rather the chemical agent. It’s absolutely irrelevant how “strong” said chemical agent is, it’s strong enough to be classified as a chemical weapon because that’s literally what it is. It’s what the words fucking mean, it’s a chemical weapon.
Quibbling about semantics here is not an argument, it’s a bullshit smokescreen and shouldn’t even be entertained seriously. Neither of these two have had a real debate in years so they think shit like this passes as an argument I guess.
>Y-y-you called them the IOF!!
So? They’re an occupying force, they’re Israeli, it’s accurate. Tying the brutal occupation of Gaza to “Israel’s existence” is fun though because it tacitly admits that Israel can’t exist without engaging in the actions it’s currently being criticized for internationally - again, targeted genocide. I’m well aware SYABM and other Zionist white knights get very upset about the use of that word but there’s more than enough evidence in the 80 year campaign of Israeli apartheid to back it up, despite their (again, semantics!) rejection of using “that word” to describe the mass murder of tens of thousands. Zionism, and the advocacy for the Israeli State, can’t be separated from the actions the Israeli state - and its supporters - have deemed absolutely necessary for its survival.
I know it’s already been addressed that Israel has no right to exist, as no State has a “right” to simply exist; I’m also well aware this fact is completely lost on these two political sodomites who simultaneously LARP as anti-authoritarian and lovers of State provided “security”, “stability”, and “order”.
I will, however, speak to lemarc’s sudden concern for Israel’s alleged diverse and robust democratic population, its very sweet that he’s suddenly *so* worried about all the Israeli token minorities in his quest to justify the slaughter of lots of other people, many of whom are also christians and muslims. Zionists like to paint Israel as some kind of shelter against the storm of “Arabs” when it couldn’t be further from the truth. The double standard really gets going as he starts talking about displaced millions with nowhere to go, should Israel fall - while 6 million Palestinians must be absorbed by the rest of the world, continuing the cycle of forced integration. These same midwits will cry when millions of displaced Muslims move to their countries, though - they did it after 9/11 with nary a thought about where all these people were coming from, and they’ll do it again.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Muslim civil wars aren’t our concern; or they wouldn’t be, if countries like Israel and the US didn’t constantly stoke and fund them to promote regime change in their quest for global hegemony. Lemarc only brings up the “wrong Muslims” as a trump card against the reality of Zionism, which is that …. Israel is a religious ethnostate in every way, and Israeli Muslims (especially anyone who has ever been Palestinian) are treated as second class citizens with no rights, at all. This is something that has been talked about again and again and again but neocons like these two will continue to insist Israel is “the closest thing to democracy in the Middle East” - a word by word quote of Zionist propaganda that simply gets repeated without a single ounce of critical examination.
Yes, he’s very keen to point out “concerning truths” while doing a wild jive around any inconvenient ones brought up in response - such as, no, most of these alleged at risk people would be just fine without Israel, and even if they weren’t it is still not an excuse for apartheid and mass slaughter. If Christians and others would be in such dire straits without Israel then it seems odd that so many of them are dying in Palestine, to Israeli bombs and bullets. There’s no way they were living there, lol, Presumably they were air dropped into the area just in time to be cut down by IOF munitions, or something!
It rings hollowly after 20 years of “they hate us because we are free” - funny enough, another beautiful piece of propaganda crafted by Netanyahu himself pre 9/11 and put to good use in the “war on terror” Pravda circus that came after.
“What happens to the Israelis who have no home?!?! Or does it not matter to you?”, correct. An occupying force complaining that if they’re not allowed to simply kill everyone and put down roots, does not matter to me. Perhaps it was a bad idea to establish an ethnostate in a region where the people living there weren’t welcoming of aggressive, illegal settling and mass murder? Conservatives love to say no one owes you acceptance, or mald about immigrants bringing cultures that do no mesh well with the established ones of the people already living there, but all of that goes straight out the window with Israel and they’ll morph into the most authoritarian Statists you’ve ever seen to defend it.
>there’s no third option unless you can show me a third side
The third side, for anyone interested, are the fucking people. Lemarc neatly bisects the conflict as if there aren’t lots of protests in Israel against Netanyahu’s regime, and there aren’t ANY Palestinians who aren’t rabidly jihadist animals just waiting for the chance to martyr themselves. It’s the same recycled rhetoric (a theme!) from the War on Terror rearing its head again; “they hate us because we are free, and they’re ALL guilty”.
The people caught between a military Oligarchy and the terrorist militia it helped create, that’s the “third side”, and I’m pretty fucking sure they’re tired of all this after 80 years of generational slaughter. Only 8% of the current population in Gaza even voted for Hamas, and exit polls show absolutely no evidence that they voted for them to “get Israel” or “kill Jews”. Furthermore, nothing Israel is doing is going to dissuade anyone who did - Israel’s actions have given Hamas a recruitment drive they could only have dreamed of.
> “are you telling me _____?”
No. This gets repeated a lot my lemarc, he must hear voices since I can find nowhere that @catherine-montvoisin made the argument that Oct. 7th “did not happen”, just like I can’t find anywhere they argue that “Fatah’s feifdom” was democratic, either - and who gives a shit? It’s IRRELEVANT to the point because it doesn’t conveniently negate the fact that Israel is not some democratic beacon of hope among the savages and barbarians - the fact that this shit is still being peddled by neocons is absurd.
The protest movement will either transform into a call for genuine democracy – for Palestinians and Israelis alike – or it will remain locke
Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East. In fact, it's not a democracy at all.
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No, they didn’t say that. They didn’t imply it either.
“The ONLY way Israel can be called the aggressor is if October 7th didn’t happen!”
This is wrong for many reasons but the most glaringly obvious one is that, again, History did not start on October 7th 2023. Well after the fact we all learned exactly how the US’s actions brought about 9/11 - I’m so glad I can bring this up because it gets real relevant in a bit lol.
This latest round of abuse by Israel doesn’t exist in some vacuum where nothing previously could have caused or effected it! Pretending otherwise isn’t just stupid, it’s disgustingly transparent. Do conservatives not understand the concept of cause and effect? Are they so goldfish brained that if an effect of an action(s) does not happen immediately then they just….straight forget anything that happened before? What’s blowback? What are consequences? I feel sometimes I’m destined to continually listen to the same bad arguments from the same shithead apologists forever, because none of these Zionist dingdongs are capable of grasping these concepts.
Gosh, do you ever get tired of lying?
I mean what a stupid fucking lie too, something so easily disprovable isn’t even worth lying about but he just can’t help himself.
We’ve been told repeatedly that the goal of Israel’s operation in Gaza is to “defeat Hamas”. But is that true? We don’t think it is. We don’
“They don’t wanna colonize the strip”, man they’ve been saying their plans out loud to do just that since 1948.
They just held a conference on resettlement last month
Bezalel Smotrich, a champion of West Bank Jewish settlements, recently sparked an international outcry over his comments calling for Palesti
So as it turns out, it doesn’t really matter what Bibi says, Israel wants to resettle Gaza and are prepared to murder as many Palestinians as they need to in order to do it.
You don’t bomb 70-80% of a city you’re planning on letting people move back into, and it’ll be decades before Gaza is inhabitable much less producing a GDP comparable to 2022
Destruction in Gaza since 7/10/23 | Population Density in Gaza 2020 🗺️
We know that Hamas is fighting with what they have. Resisting with a
They’re doing worse what we tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan because while the US sought to set up friendly puppet States, Israel simply wants to empty Gaza and the West Bank and build condos. The only reason to deny this is pure delusion, or just the inability to admit what’s being said right out loud. Heinous.
I’m not even going to address SYSBM’s added commentary because you don’t tell anything to a man with two black eyes - he’s already been told twice.
You’re all fucking disgusting.
As always, my Israel tag is full of info proving these two bozos wrong, and @anarchyinblack has even more thoroughly debated this topic than I have.
Here’s a post from 2017:
Goddamn, what a prediction.
As it turns out, connies don’t mind using the “everyone I disagree with is a _____” when it comes to criticism of Israel - despite the long, long history of libertarian philosophers also opposing Israel’s apartheid regime and targeted genocide. Not everyone is a “leftist” just because they’re not some neocon dipshit.
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