Timeline ask! Have you considered 1) Sheila leaving Gotham shortly after Jason was born 2) Sheila knowing joker from Gotham 3) Batman's emergence predating Joker's = Jason HAS to have (originally) been born on or around year one (or even later.) Young enough to not remember a time before Catherine AND his bio mother to have known Joker from Gotham = itty bitty baby Jason Todd
yes!!! i donât think iâve ever written it down like this but itâs actually part of why i dislike timelines that have jason enter at 12, because not only is it Not Accurate but it also means disregarding a major plot point of a pivotal story or just making everyone really old đ
like, most pre-Zero Hour sources (secret origins, essentially), put dick at ~10 when his parents die, almost 11 when he debuts as robin, and ~18 when heâs fired from robin, meaning he should be robin for ~7 yearsâŚexcept he actually says he was robin for ~6 years, which makes no sense of course but oh well, (marv-isms! joy.) for the purpose of this post, weâll use ~7 years cause it aligns with more sources and tbh it makes more sense imo.
in pre-Zero Hour continuity, the graysons die on halloween in year 2, and dick debuts as robin âjust before [he turns] elevenâ in year 3 (fun fact: this actually lines up pretty nicely with his pre-Crisis robin debut date of august 25th!!!!). therefore, if dick turns 11 in year 3 shortly after his first outing as robin, then he must turn 18 in year 10, i.e., dick is fired in year 10; âweeks laterâ, jason steals the tires off the batmobile in what is presumably still year 10.
so again, as OP just demonstrated, we know sheila leaves gotham right after jason is born, and we also know that she knew the joker before then, meaning the joker existed as the joker before she left, which means she leftâat the earliestâin year 1, ergo, jason was born in year 1 at the earliest. considering, as i outlined earlier, jason steals the tires off the batmobile in year 10 at the latest, he can be at most 9, unless ofc you add three years in between dick being fired and jason showing up to age everyone upâŚbut literally why would you do that? đ
like if we use the ages weâre actually given for bruce pre-Zero Hour heâd already be kinda old even with this timelineâheâs stated to turn 26 in year 1 so heâd be turning 35 in year 10âif you add three years to get jason to 12 youâd be making him even older, like absurdly so. iâm all for letting bruce age but he was not fucking 38 when he met jason lmfao.
i actually donât really mind this timeline because if you ignore the ages given in by1, post-Crisis actually lines up quite nicely with pre-Crisis. weâre told in TEC #574 that bruceâs parents died 25 years ago, meaningâgiven he was 8 when his parents diedâhe turns 33 in the present year; weâre also told a few issues earlier in TEC #571 that jason was born 12 years ago, ergo, jason turns 12 the same year bruce turns 33.
if we plug those ages into this timeline thatâd make bruce 30 when he meets jason in year 10, and 20-turning-21 on his first outing as batman at the start of year 1, which lines up quite nicely with him becoming batman before he was 21 in pre-Crisis continuity!! huzzah.
anyway, i got off topic, but yeah, jason was like at most 9, lol, like it just doesnât really make sense for him to be older unless you inflate the timeline and thereâs genuinely just not enough material to do that even if you wanted to, and again, why would you want to??? itâs very strange to me that ppl are so insistent on him being 12 when he meets bruce despite it contradicting literally all material from the era lmfao
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i don't think i'll ever stop telling people to read moench's pre-Crisis work, like i really just cannot recommend it enough.
moench wrote most of 90s batman and made references to his 80s run all the time, soâeven if you're not interested in 80s shenanigans, extra jaybin stories, bronze age characterization, etcâi truly believe the experience of reading his 90s run is substantially improved by being able to recognize and understand those references. at the very least, you get to catch a throwback, which is always fun, but sometimes moench used his callbacks to enhance the narrative in this really cool, subtle way that just adds so much weight to his writing.
it's actually one of my favorite parts of his work in knightsaga because in prelude, while bruce is spiraling, moench repeatedly references parts of his 80s run that were specifically related to jason, but avoids ever directly mentioning or referencing jason until that famous scene with the joker right before knightfall's climax.
one of the best examples of moench doing this was the way bruce was repeatedly forced by the narrative to recount old cases in which jason played a significant roleâmost notably the story that introduced black mask, a character who, iirc, had not been used sinceâwhich bruce did in unusually perfect detail, except for the parts jason was in.
bruce completely skipped over any parts of cases that could not be retold without mentioning jasonâand not in a "jason was retconned out of this" kind of way, but in a "bruce was retelling the story totally linearly until this specific part, and it is very clear he is leaving things out" kind of way.
it's genuinely so interesting to me because, as a reader, you can tell bruce's escalating self-destructiveness is related to jason, and you can also tell bruce is attempting to avoid going anywhere near that subject.
jason's name is never once uttered, not even in thought. he is never truly referenced in any way because bruce cannot withstand it. he refuses to take cognizance of jason because any acknowledgementâwho jason was, what jason didâis reflexively identified as past tense. it forces bruce to confront a reality in which jason is dead, and bruce cannot take it; he cannot bear it, and so he doesn't.
thus, neither does the narrativeâjason is denied any presence within it. yet somehow, as the reader, you can still tell! you can still tell that bruce's "obsession" is really avoidance. you can still tell that his inability to tolerate his grief is what's fueling this endless spiral. moench manages to make all of this clear without ever making any actual references to jason himself.
jason is effectively excluded; he's not present within the story, and moench uses that. the narrative emphasizes the presence of things that were related to jason, which, in turn, draws the reader's attention to his blatant lack of presence. you can tell because there is nothing where you know jason should be, and you can feel the edges of that nothing, and they're sharp and jagged and undeniably something. jason's absence is made tangible, and he is everywhere.
by the time knightfall approaches it's climax, your palms are raw from feeling along the jagged edges of every jason-shaped hole moench has led you to. every one of moench's callbacks becomes a reminder of not just jason, but the distinct life jason lived: the cases he solved, the people he helped, the rogues he fought. moench doesn't incessantly press us against the edge of jason's absence to remind us of how he died, he does it to remind us of how jason lived.
everything is reminiscent of jason's life, which makes that moment when bruce is pummeling the jokerâwhen all he can think to himself is that jason will never "breathe, speak, or move again", that jason will never live againâpack an even bigger punch because we've continually been confronted with the proof that he once did.
in my opinion, it is one of the best depictions of bruce's grief. moench lets bruce be an unreliable narrator which makes him really great at writing bruce's avoidance of vulnerability. this is a strength of moench's writing in general, but is particularly well-executed in knightsaga. i imagine this may be partly because he essentially created jason, and knightfall seems to reflect some of his personal thoughts on the death of a character he invested so much time into.
there's just this, like, raw pathos in moench's issues of prelude and knightfall that builds up and up and up, and regardless of whether you've read his 80s run, you will feel that tension, and it will pay off. it's not like moench's subtle references are the only things that contribute to that. i just think understanding those references makes that eventual culmination hit that much harder, and the fact he manages to add so much depth through his use of negative space is really cool to me, especially for a character like bruce.
anyway, everyone should go read moench's 80s run because being pre-Crisis doesn't automatically mean it's irrelevant, and even if it was, it's a fun read; who cares whether it's perfectly aligned with modern canon?
If you think about it, the way Bruce portrays Jason in his memories can in a way be explained through two mechanisms (and ofc more, but for this analysis ig)
Hindsight bias and just how memory works in gen.
So, what is hindsight bias?
It's when you something happens, and when you look back, you go "I always knew I'd be like that". For example, a couple breaks up, and say you didn't know at the time, but after they broke up, you say "I always knew they were gonna break up, there were obvious signs". That kind of thing. And with Bruce (or literally any other DC character), it's possible that when he looked back on the events leading up to Jason's death, that he did this, and was reinforced by the people around him (E.g. Alfred, Dick, and Tim). And it really doesn't help that Jason came from a low SES, which might've lead to Bruce saying it was inevitable that Jason ended up the way he did because of his past (with Alfred reinforcing this idea), despite Jason not wanting to become a criminal and only did the crimes he did in order to survive.
Now then, what about memory? Unlike popular belief, memory is not like a computer, we can't just encode a memory, store it, and retrieve it without any damage to it. Memory is very malleable, like more than you'd think, and an example my lecturer gave us, was to think of memory as jelly. An event happens, your brain encodes this, and a jelly is formed and solidified. But each time you recall that memory, the jelly desets, going back into a liquid, and so, you add add this or that (E.g. mandarin, pickles, and so on), and then the memory resets with these added stuff. Now the memory has changed, but you don't know this, and this process repeats each time you recall a memory, adding new things in, removing some stuff. And because Jason's death was very traumatic for Bruce, I'd say he most definitely thought about all his memories with Jason very often, meaning that his memories would be very malleable to change, which would explain why all the later depictions of Jason after his death is in a very negative light (if you add in hindsight bias into it). Sure doesn't help that after periods of time, memory also degrades (naturally), meaning you have the general memory and not the specifics of the events and etc
As such, it does in a way make sense that Bruce's perspective of Jason has become warped beyond recognition (even if I don't like it)
Thereâs an interesting thing that happens when you try to discuss Jason Toddâs death in the Batman fandom. Itâs an art form, really. Perfected by Bruce glazers in taking something horrifyingly devastating about Jasonâs storyline and completely de-centering him from it.
You talk about how a child never received closure for his murder because of one man actively standing between him and his justice. (Something verifiable through his actions.) Youâll be hit with: âBut look at how SAD Bruce is. This is such a TRAGIC thing that happened to him. It BROKE him entirely.â (Immediate pivot to Bruce and HIS emotions.)
The problem isnât that these statements are false. Bruce IS sad. It DID break him. The problem is that this is the only framing of the event acceptable to glazers. 1. A framing that centers Bruce. 2. A framing that shoves Bruceâs concrete actions aside and focuses on his feelings instead. As if the two hold equal weight.
Bruceâs grief and guilt is presented as charity for Jasonâs justice. His sadness is pushed as the closure Jason never received. âLook how much he suffersâ. A tormented conscience for a dead child. A fair trade.
And itâs not just Jason. They do this with every victim. Bruceâs intent is always weighed heavier than his actions. But the same grace is never extended to anyone else. Jasonâs anger at being failed is irrational. Itâs over the top. Itâs too much. Itâs repetitive. Move on. Bruce loved him, didnât he? He cried, didnât he? Isnât that enough? That promise of a feeling that you canât measure?
But grief isnât justice. it doesnât override justice. itâs not placeholder for justice. using it to excuse inaction and lack of accountability is pathetic <3
Okay, somethings piss me off more. But it's in my top 10 most hated comics panels for sure. You can really feel Jim Starlin's absolute hatred of Jason Todd bleeding into Bruce's writing here.
"Too short for his passing to cause many ripples" my ass.
Jason had gotten along quite well with the Teen Titans while helping rescue Dick from Brother Blood. And while they were mostly in space at the time, some members Jason had known weren't and would have shown for his funeral (as Jason had shown up to Titans funerals/JLA birthdays) if given a chance.
(Tales of the Teen Titans Annual 1984 3)/(Superman Annual 1960 11)
He also had friends! Superhero sidekick friends!
He had a whole penpal and crime fighting pal in Kid Devil, aka Eddie Bloomberg:
(Blue Devil 1984 19)
Eddie still remembers Jason years later as someone cool and fun so the penpals thing survived post-crisis.
(Teen Tians 2003 43)
And Jason was close enough to get a nickname and check-ins from a bored Danny Chase who was sitting at home in Titans Tower at the time
(Titans 1984 52)
But nOoOoOoOoO "too short to cause many ripples" or "Bruce can't tell any of his friends Jason is dead to protect his secret when they all know Jason and Bruce" get the fuck outta here with that nonsense, Starlin.
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BATMAN: UNDER THE RED HOOD â NOTABLE MOMENTS OF JASON TODDâS CAPABILITIES
I wonât disagree that Jason has had some really bad consistency throughout his career as Red Hood, but thatâs because writers post-UTRH literally donât use him as the character introduced in his debut comic. A good quote that suits this can be taken from what Brandon Sanderson says about Hollywood trying to adapt already well standing stories:
âProducers and execs need the proof of an established book series [in Jasonâs case a villain character emotionally close to the BatFam] to justify the production. [Writers] want to tell their stories, and this is the allowed method, so when given the chance at freedom they go off the rails, and the execs don't know the property well enough to understand why this can lead to disaster."
This has lead to fans looking at Jason and calling him Jason Fraud, because of cause they would! Pretty much every iteration of him outside of UTRH as Red Hood is a fraud of himself. For this post I want to specifically focus on âpower scalingâ discourse that surrounds Jason, that being people (fans and writers) thinking all heâs good for is being âthe brute forceâ character who only knows how to throw punches. So, in my reread of UTRH I jotted down all of the instances OTHER CHARACTERS make comments about Jasonâs skills plus some other moments not explicitly stated (may have missed some because I actually got a little distracted by the story, sue me, itâs my favourite DC comic lol).
- Batman: âHe likes to talk. Itâs not ego. Itâs distraction. Fights smart. He came ready.â
- Batman: âSmart and ready.â
- Bought stocks from WAYNE INDUSTRIES R&D DIVISION for $5,260,000, removing Bruce from the board of directors cutting him off from accessing tools he deems necessary for his duty as Batman.
- Batman: âHeâs quick. Not just fast. Agile. Heâs not thinking about his next move. Heâs just making it.â
- Batman: âHe cut the line before it went taut. That would have to have been practiced. Either that or just plain dumb luck. But no. Itâs not luck.â
- Dick: âimpressive.â
- Jason makes Bruce and Dick get rid of Amazo for him.
- Once again positioned Bruce and Dick where he wanted them by using the kryptonite as an incentive and brings them to blows against Black Maskâs goons/Mr Freeze. This allows Batman to confiscate the Kryptonite taking it out of the market.
- Dick: âheâs very good.â Batman: âYes. Heâs very good.â
- Jason nails six illegal high tech weaponry shipments in a week, destroying them and taking them off the market.
- Jason notices Onyx has an injured shoulder and uses it to his advantage by running a knife through it and without her noticing.
- Jason builds a bomb that Batman cannot disarm.
- Black Mask Lackey: âtruth? Heâs better than anything we have on the street.â
- Black Mask: âyou donât know Batman. Heâs not letting this lunatic just run wild⌠he canât catch him either.â
- Bruce about himself: âStupid, careless, and slow. [Jasonâs] playing it rough. Canât hold back.â
Batman & co constantly state that Jason is fast, agile, intelligent, skilled, ready, etc etc etc blah blah blah. He manipulates everyone in Gotham to his bidding, moving them where he wants them, showing them what he wants them to see, and always has an escape ready. He goes toe to toe with Batman, and even then only engages in combat when deemed necessary and if he has an outcome he views as favourable. Jason is not a dumbass. He is not an idiot. He thinks things through, he always has a plan. He doesnât just run into situations guns blazing and thinking he can tank whatever comes at him.
But for some reason, thatâs changed, and itâs because of the writers.
Here are some frames of thought from Tim in Robin (1993) #177:
This could either be Tim being a MASSIVE LIAR who already knows heâs had his ass handed to him by Jason in Titans Tower while Jason wore his ridiculous Robin outfit. OR itâs the writers trying to rewrite the narrative to make it seem like Jason is LESSER than Tim. Now, we can say all we like that Tim is an unreliable narrator. However I donât think his own writers are going to do that to him, and especially not here because Tim proceeds to knock Jason down and then he gets arrested. Not just that, but Jason purposefully goes after Tim with an AK while there is a crowd of civilians nearby. In the UTRH film Jason blows up a helicopter causing it to almost go crashing into traffic as a distraction for Batman. In the comic, Jason NEVER uses the presence of civilians to pull a one over on Batman or Nightwing.
Jason Fraud? Of course he is when writers like this are only using him for what he can do for the main characters in their story, until it gets to a point when there is no longer Jason Todd but the flattened caricature of someone pushing against the boundaries of Batmanâs dogma.
âŹď¸ So I believe you'd already seen these panels.
But you should also see these too <3 Oh Jason <3 "I bought a wedding present" that's still nothing for you baby <3 Aren't he the cutest <3 Batman... well... wow... such petty billionaire... tch tch. Lol.
The thing is people very genuinely believe Jason is an evil tantrum throwing brat child with a poor tormented father who loves him too much to let him go. And those people are in dc editorial
#they also thing bruce doesnt punish jason enough for being such a brat #so then theyll have bruce dragging jason or pummeling him and shooting him in the head as a treat #hitting an awful screaming brat is catharsis of course. they like to allow the other characters to be as fed up with jason as they are #hitting your child is like giving yourself a cookie /(ref to a tumbIr post that tried to defend hitting children)
Oh and don't forget, Jason is too old to be acting like this. He needs to grow up. No one should have to deal with his teenage rebellion. No grown man should be acting like this. What an immature, impatient, delusional, asshole of a brat who thinks he should be given everything he wants on a silver platter while endangering everyone with his reckless behavior. A grown man throwing a tantrum like a child
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oughh pre-robin jason... my boy.... when i think too strongly about jason's main mischaracterizations in the fandom and why those are why he's characterized that way it makes me so mad. soooo mad.
even the positive headcanons constantly are to combat the negative ones, and sometimes just give them more attention. when i think of headcanons or characteristics typically given to jason, almost all of the non-lazarus related ones revolve around him being poor.
either he's a dumb brute or he's subversively thoughtful and intelligent. people say he is the only one in the entire batfam who ever in their entire lives bothered to learn how to cook, clean, and decorate a house. no one? no other adult can do more than pour a bowl of cereal?
part of why it gets me so mad is that i grew up with both parents being alcoholics and my dad being a drug dealer, so his pre-robin backstory really isnt that far from home for me. and seeing how even subconsciously, the majority of the fandom centers all his characteristics (again, outside of the lazarus stuff) either as an inverse or in support of stereotypes of poor people just. augh.
omg i just realized how long this got, sorry for the rant đđ. originally meant for this to just be me agreeing w that post you just made đ
nooo I get u so hard anon..... very few ppl actually understand what being poor growing up does to you, and what it would do to Jason. Like you said, you have these people who try to be subversive and ignore the effects of poverty in spite of it, sometimes people argue against any and all criticism of his writing, character, and actions just because he was poor and faces classism so he is exempt from it all.
and then you have assholes who dont like Jason at all trying to tell you his childhood poverty isn't that deep or important. It's all so tiring....
Just re-read UTRH again and I know itâs Winnick trying to re-write the narrative surrounding Jasonâs character when he was Robin â but for any reader whoâs read Jasonâs post-crisis runs as Robin, everything Bruce says in UTRH just kinda shows Bruce knows nothing about Jason Todd. I mean, itâs present in post-crisis Batman stories as well, esp when it was decided Jason was probably going to be killed off and Starlin started with that âI see my own anger in Jason so thatâs why I took him inâ to get the ball rolling (and then we see after Jasonâs death Bruce admitting he took in Jason because he missed Dick). But itâs like, really clear in UTRH and HUSH that Bruce really knew nothing about Jason and projected a lot of his own self onto the boy Jason Todd was.
"Jason Todd having an autopsy scar is just fan-service"
"Jason shouldn't have an autopsy scar because the Lazarus Pit heals all scarring"
"The white stripe is fan service"
.
Have you considered that no one else having any scars is fucking weird?
Dick has been doing vigilante work for nigh on 20 years in canon. He should be covered in fucking scars. He got shot through the head and lost his memories for a while. Where's his fucking bullet wound? He got shot by Harvey Dent. That was the wound that separated him and Bruce, wasn't it? Where's that scar? And so many more.
Tim has been doing vigilante work for over half a decade in canon. He should have fucking scars. How about when he got stabbed through the Spleen and had emergency surgery? How about when he got shot through the throat? Where are his scars?
Damian had a metal spine at one point, didn't he? Where are his surgical scars? He was trained to be an assassin, surrounded by assassins, born of an assassin. Where are his scars from training?
Even Bruce is clean skinned. Didn't he have his back broken? Multiple surgeries? Doing vigilante work for OVER 20 years? And also trained by assassins? No scars from training. No scars from bullet wounds. No scars from dying or nearly dying several times.
.
The real question is, why is Jason the only one WITH SCARS AT ALL? They've all been through HELL.
Is it classism again?
It's classism again, isn't it?
âEDIT FOR MINOR CORRECTION: Dick was shot by Joker, not Harvey Dent. Thank you liedownquisition for letting me know!!
the thing about utrh is ultimately a question of choices. The Batarang Incidentâ˘ď¸ is not isolated, it is a calculated move by bruce to force jason to choose â the same way bruce is currently being forced by jason to choose. and what question is being posed?
the both of them pose the same question to each other, the same question bruce once had to grapple with in gotham years ago
batman #426
jason or the joker?
and as foils to each other, they make different choices.
now you might be confused - itâs obvious that bruce chose the joker over jason but what do you mean. bruce forces jason to choose? what do you mean jason chooses the joker.
well you see, there wasnât one batarang in that issue, not two, but three.
literally a couple of pages before, we see that bruce threw two batarangs at jason, and it demonstrated a couple of things.
1) bruce is a skilled marksmen, even in fast pace and high stress situations. nothing new.
2) we see that jason with a shoulder wound, we see the spray of blood.
3) the batarang can not only be wielded as a weapon, but also as a question. bruce forced jason into a situation where he has to choose what was the most optimal course of action - this was explicitly acknowledged by jason.
the third point is crucial because the third batarang is a callback to jason being forced to make a decision.
because itâs not like bruce didnât have anything on hand - he still had many other âtoysâ because he made a decision earlier to reinforce his belt. because he âneverâ makes the âsame mistake twiceâ.
so bruce didnât have to throw the third batarang, that there was probably other ways to deescalate the situation. so the third batarang is a deliberate narrative choice, a call back to the earlier pages where bruce forced jason to choose.
so what is jason being forced to choose?
well you see, jason is holding the joker hostage, gun to his head. both hands are occupied. and not only do we see both hands occupied, we see the pipes behind the both of them. and we are made to see that panel three times.
(the pipe isnât only featured here by the way, we see it in previous panels as well, but due to the 10 photo limit, iâm not including the previous instance in this post. but it should be enough without those to drive the point that the pipe is of significance to the plot)
because the batarang hitting jason wasnât a fluke, but a deliberate trick shot, aimed to ricochet off those pipes and hit jason. but if jason isnât choosing between two wounds like earlier scenario, what was the two options laid before him?
itâs quite simple: his life or the jokerâs?
once again we go back to the two batarangs, we see that a shoulder wound has a small spray of blood. here, we see the batarang slicing jasonâs neck. you might argue âit could be the shoulder!â except. we see his hand go for his neck. he immediately puts pressure on it because wounds like those can be fatal.
just look at how much blood he had lost, was losing. because that blood was jasonâs. the joker might have been wounded, but the background in previous panels show that the floor wasnât coloured blood red until this scene.
so the wound is potentially fatal: if jason valued his life, he has to put pressure on his neck to staunch the bleeding which means he has to either let go of the joker, or drop the gun. if he didnât well - he could continue shooting the joker and potentially forfeit his life.
so jason chooses and bruceâs goal of stopping jason was achieved.
and we see that bruce once again, like he did many years ago, chose the joker over his own son. because even if jason isnât dead yet â and the story heavily implies he does die at the endâ bruce demonstrated he chose the joker. that he put the jokerâs life over his own sonâs. that the priority was joker, and never had been jason.
because this wasnât the first time. âFate is a funny thing⌠âŚwe either swim⌠Or drown. And sometimes as we struggle against the tide, a great truth arises⌠Weâve been here before.â
twice over has bruce made a decision and reached the same consequence of jason dying.
funny because bruce doesnât make âthe same mistake twice.â âNo, never twice.â so either choosing the joker the first time around wasnât a mistake, or that choosing the joker this time around wasnât one.
or perhaps like how bruce tried to go for a secret third option, there is another potential answer here and that bruce is wrong â he does make mistakes. he makes them again and again.
and this is exactly the answer. because this mysterious weird purple sparkle haze thing isnât a random background.
batman annual #25
this page establishes two things:
1) this mysterious force, the same one we saw in batman #650, is actually how jason got revived in the first place. and if it revived jason, it thus implies that it is reviving jason again. hence my earlier statement that jason is implied to have died at the end of utrh.
(and considering that they had no more plans for jason after this, the likelihood that jason was supposed to have died is high.)
2) that the mysterious force âset things rightâ. but if reviving jason twice is setting things right, then the natural conclusion we draw is that jason never should have died.
fate âset things rightâ so fate decreed that bruce chose wrong.
if youre ever confused about why preboot!jason does something or acts in a certain way i ask you to consider that hes like 18 and super duper suicidal
âjasons methods in uth werent sustainableâ he didnt intend to sustain them
âjasons a hypocrite and his motives are contradictoryâ teenagers arent known for being particularly rational
âjason didnt plan for the long term effects and power vacuum left by his takeoverâ jason didnt plan for the long term, Full Stop
âwhy does jason do the whole uth confrontation instead of just killing the jokerâ hes 18 and he wants his dad to choose him
âif jason is trying to reach out to people why is he such an assholeâ he is reaching out to get them to kill him
âits egotistical for jason to think his approach is the only right oneâ have you met a teenage boy. like ever
i could go on but you get the point. if one questions preboot!jason todd then one must consider the fact that hes supposed to be drinking buzzballz under a bridge (or lowkey just jumping off of it) and instead hes dismantling a criminal network and replacing its leader with himself
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jason toddâs greatest fear has always been to be left by himselfâto be truly, utterly alone in the world. it's a shame this fear has always proved well-founded
Detective Comics (1937) #527, Detective Comics (1937) #528, Batman (1940) #373, Detective Comics (1937) #571, Batman Annual (1961) #25, Batman Annual (1961) #25, Batman Annual (1961) #25, Red Hood: The Lost Days #2, Batman (1940) #650, Batman (1940) #650
