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do you HC Jason Todd as POC
yes that boy is Latino
yes that boy is Wasian
yes he is indigenous to turtle Island (Native American)
he should be racially ambiguous
no he is as white as a White Walker

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KID DEVIL, RED HOOD, & RAVAGER / inspired by this post by @coolgirl
JASON TODD BIRTHDAY WEEK ‘18 DAY TWO: TAKEN IN BY ANOTHER CHARACTER / DREAM TEAM
"A lot of stupidity and some deaths, all wrapped up in a father's righteous anger... His name was Jose Garzonas. He was Felipe Garzona's father, Robin. For every action in this universe, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Consequences. Robin. There's no escaping them." — Batman #425: Consequences
"... I thought... I thought killing me-- that I'd be the last person you ever let him hurt."
"Why do all the cub scouts in spandex always say that? I'm not talking about killing Cobblepot and Scarecrow or Clayface. Not Riddler or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because...Because he took me away from you."
— Batman #650, All They Do Is Watch Us Kill, Part 3: It Only Hurts When I Laugh
every time someone says jason was '15-16' when he died an angel loses its wings 💔

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Hi! I have a question, if you have the time and/or want to. Does Jason talk about his death/dying as much as people joke that he does? Thank you!
I depends on era a little bit. And how you might define talking about it (ex: bringing it up, responding to a prompt about it, mentioning it in a related situation, joking about it)
To go about the easy answer so i actually remember to answer this ask, Jason canonically says he doesn't want to remember his death, this is rhato 2011/new 52 era. Its a very notable instance of Jason's feelings on the matter considering that after the events of Batman and Red Hood #20, aka, Bruce taking Jason to place he died to yell at him to remember, Jason goes to have all his memories magically removed, and his memories in fact burden so greatly that everyone believes he'll do better in the upcoming major fight without the memories of even how to summon his swords and that if he had his memories he'd most certainly die
Its, pretty clear in this little arc going on that Jason does not like to think about his death, and not to talk about it.
How that goes with his other comics?
Well. Hmm.
I do very much think theres merit in whats been said by others before, in that Jason doesn't usually bring it up himself and that its others joking about it. But i dont feel it can be outright stated that Jason never talks about it ever at all. I do definitely want to say that he doesn't talk about it as much as people joke. This is a bit of a case of personal interpretation and opinions of his writing in comics
Under the Hood is a fun one to chew on. Because while the final confrontation is a reenactment of death. And Jason literally sends someone previously to die dressed as him just to upset Bruce for a moment. Theres someone so interesting, in how when Jason says "...I thought... I thought killing me-- that I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt" he stutters while speaking of his past death. Its the only time he stutters in the whole speech, and when he mentions his death again, he says "... he took me away from you" instead.
Jason has no issue speaking of killing him when telling Bruce the ultimatum, to say to kill Jason or kill the Joker. You can argue his crying is having an issue. BUT! While playing the lens of Jason doesn't like talking about his death, this is the climax of the recreation, a parent, to choose between Jason or the Joker. It is a very big very emotional moment with many many angles.
Might be of note that Joker likes to dig into it, depends on your Joker interpretations. Though Jason is obviously unenthused
Honestly, i dont know how to really explain it, but if you placed the Jason people joke about in uth itd change alot of the dialogue?
His reunion with Bruce. He doesn't mention death, just is, doesn't dig into resurrection. Doesn't say so much that a different type of Jason would. I mean Bruce is on a whole mini quest of bothering resurrected heroes ore reveal and Jason doesn't even as so much say the word.
The hush story is a different matter entirely. This comes down heavy to interpretation. Is this even Jason? It was retconned into being and then unretconned. So it depends. If Jason, mentioning his death alot in this graveyard could very well be just to dig deep into Bruce while he himself doesn't like to speak of it. Quite alot of this era you have to also include the idea of Jason doing or saying something he doesn't like just to claw into Bruce.
Lost days is a fun one. Thats when we establish that Jason cant kill the Joker without Bruce there. Having a flashback to his death and we're told he decided to leave to make his plan with Bruce, Joker, and Jason all there. Though im getting off topic. Obviously Jason's death was bad so he isnt gonna like it. This is about talking, joking, mentioning.
Ideally i think Jason shouldnt. That he doesn't want to think or talk about his death most of the time. This is what's canon of Jason To Me. But it always varies and authors always vary and theres always evidence for every side. You can say Jason doesn't like thinking about it while still talking about it anyway. You could say anything at all
Batman and Robin (2023) #18
“There are only two things that are more cruel than death: life and love.”
“I’d argue that love is crueller than both.”
look, I know we’ve talked a lot about Jason’s death, but I also want to talk about his resurrection. of course, that means I have to talk about his death too, because, seriously, you can’t have one without the other. and I know we’ve discussed the lack of consequences surrounding his death (in which I wish and pray everyday that the Joker would just choke and die), but I’m begging you to hear me out on some… other consequences of his passing. I mean– just, come on, he’s been haunting the narrative for years! the twenty years versus the six months, the scale is completely disproportionate! and I swear, these two topics are deeply connected! just… listen to me a little bit, please.
when we talk about death in general, what’s the first thing that comes to mind? well death is tragic, cruel, and terrifying, but usually, these elements are viewed through the eyes of the living. I mean, regarding the tragedy, perhaps the most tragic aspect is the future, along with all the possibilities and the life that the deceased was robbed of; yet, all of that was buried right along with them. the tragedy of loss and the cruelty of death in snatching away a life are most clearly perceived from the perspective of those left behind.
it’s the same story with the terrifying nature of death! I mean, when I think about death and its role, it always seems to hold more significance for the living than for the dead. for instance, if you are alive and fear death, then death is truly terrifying. when you are on your deathbed, gasping your last breath, death is terrifying. when you are anticipating and dwelling on death, it is terrifying. simply because you are still alive. once you are actually dead, death doesn't seem quite so frightening—because after all, you’re dead! it also depends on one's beliefs about the afterlife, but usually, death is often equated with eternal rest or a deep slumber: a state where you feel nothing (since you no longer exist). because of that, death doesn’t seem to be terrifying at all since you are already dead.
even so, that does not mean your death isn't terrifying. it remains terrifying for the living. your family, friends, and loved ones will weep, mourn, bury you, hold a funeral, grieve, and miss you. your death is a terrifying thing for those who were left behind.
a similar dynamic applies to the aftermath of death; this is most evident in the suffering, grief, resentment, mourning, and longing experienced by the living. whether it is a funeral or an act of vengeance, these things are for the living. the aftermath of death is something that concerns only the living; it has no impact on the deceased. this is also clearly illustrated in the comics, where Jay's death serves primarily to highlight Batman's subsequent grief and longing, or where Jay becomes a haunting hallucination for Nightwing. he’s been haunting the words, speech bubbles, narrative, and memories of Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Tim,... and so on. yes, that is precisely where the consequences of Jay's death are most vividly portrayed. death exists for the living to lament, suffer, and mourn. beyond the lack of consequences regarding the death itself (which is the absence of vengeance, changes in the circumstances that led to his demise, or perhaps even a definitive end to the "Robin/child soldier" era), there were still other impacts stemming from his passing (which is the emotional toll on the survivors) that were clearly depicted.
if you’re wondering why this person is going on at such length... I apologize, but I’m about to discuss Jason’s resurrection, and I suspect that part will be even longer.
Judd Winick once said that the how or why of Jason’s return mattered less than the purpose of his return. so, what was that purpose? what was the significance of Jason coming back to life?
reflecting on it with a sense of horror, Jason’s resurrection perfectly embodies all the traits I listed earlier, traits inherent to death itself, because his return serves as a perfect mirror and reminder of his own demise. the death’s presence lingers even within his resurrection; it only deepens the memory of his passing because, well, that’s the way it is. Jason didn’t just, bam, ta-da, instantly coming back to life, whole and healed. this boy had to dug himself out of his own grave. he still bore those wounds. he spent months wandering the streets, drifting in and out of consciousness, barely lucid. he had truly, truly, genuinely died. he had a grave, and a funeral, all of that stuffs. and then his resurrection made the reality of death, for someone who had actually died, more tangible and stark than ever before. to return to life while still bearing the marks of his own death…
and then, after going into the pit and truly, truly coming back to life, he had to face... all of these things. these consequences, and these lack of consequences. a dead person was forced to return to life to mourn, to suffer, to endure, to hate, and to avenge for his own death. where does such an ironic mix of tragedy and dark comedy come from? he had to confront both the tangible consequences of his death and the absence of consequences, which is: joker joker joker joker the lack of consequences where the meaninglessness where the way his death was erased and signified nothing where a new Robin had stepped in: so talented, so smart, so obedient...
he came back now, but... for what? well, to serve the plot. to create conflict with Batman. to face all the consequences of his death. to face the lack of consequences and meaning in his death. to face the lack of consequences and meaning in his resurrection. to come back and face all that, only to die again (at his father's hands? for the writers' original intent? yes, I’m talking about the ending originally planned for the utrh). and to come back only to die again because... well, everyone dies eventually.
to mourn, to weep, to grieve, and to seek revenge, these are usually the privileges and the burdens of the living, but then suddenly Jason comes back, and he has to deal with all that, crying, begging, grieving, and avenging because he was dead, and-
isn't it cruel, absurd, tragic, and terrifying? that someone who already died, and thus should have been immune to the consequences of that death, now have to go back, return and face every single one of them?
bringing him back to life after his death is truly cruel because- normally, it’s a third party who has to mourn, bury, grieve, and seek vengeance as a consequence of the death. but in the end, Jason is the one who has to find a way to avenge himself. first, he can never forget his own death; then, he has to process the grief, the anger, and the mourning, only to ultimately seek revenge. avenging one’s own death is a bizarre concept- because usually, the avenger is a friend or relative of the deceased. yet here, the dead kid has to avenge himself because it seems like no one else cares. I mean, that is just incredibly cruel.
bringing him back is cruel because he was already dead. dying and coming back to life means having to face and clearly realize everything death stole from him: his life, his family, his role as Robin, his place in the world, Bruce, his future, all the possibilities, any chance for future growth... all of that. Jason is someone who, upon returning, couldn't find his footing in the world. he had been replaced within the family. he had truly died, gone to heaven and all, got a death certificate and all, only to return rather than be properly resurrected. he came back to see his killer still alive and Bruce with a new Robin.
and look, Bruce invited him to be Robin before he invited him to be his son. he never actually called Jay his son. ugh, it breaks my heart every time I read Jaybin’s lines about how he "is a weapon" (when he’s just a kid, for god's sake). it’s as if he thinks that without the Robin role, he means nothing to Bruce at all. it’s not just about having the role of Robin taken away- he died in that suit, come back only to see Bruce with a new Robin; it’s like losing his very last place in the world. it’s cruel.
the cruelty lies in coming back to face the consequences of his own death: or rather, the lack thereof. Jason Todd died. so what? we can just have Tim Drake as the new Robin. Jason Todd died. so what? The Joker is still alive. his death didn’t... mean anything. he died, and nothing changed.
it reminds me of the argument Jaybin had with Bruce before he died. Gloria was dead. so why was Garzonas still alive? even though she was dead? still alive to commit countless other crimes and hurt other innocent people. she was dead. but it didn't matter. he was still alive. even though she was dead. There should have been consequences.
his return didn't mean anything either. that memorial. that damn memorial. it’s like being alive while your loved ones set up a damn shrine to you.
the lack of consequences the meaninglessness the absurdity the absurdity it’s all just so absurd.
now, I don't really like the idea of treating Jason and Jaybin as two different people. sure, he changed, but what kind of impact do you expect death to have on someone? no, this is the same boy—the boy that you loved so deeply, the cute, small little boy who said Robin was magic, the boy who tumbled and fought and laughed alongside you. god, my precious boy.
he is the very boy who was dead and he is the one who came back to life; it is precisely because he holds both these identities that it hurts so much. you died—yes—but then you came back. yet that doesn't change the fact that you died. and all these consequences keep reminding you of that! just shut up, shut up-
and this is the most agonizing, painful, and sickening thought I’ve ever had, because no, it wasn't supposed to be like this! it shouldn't have turned out this way! that isn't what the symbolism of resurrection is meant to be! it was supposed to be a miracle. it is a symbol of hope, of life, of a second chance, of divine intervention, of light, all of that! I defied the laws of the universe, I overturned the truths of Mother Nature; I conquered Death itself, I molded life to my will even when it sought only to kill me; I did it all of that just to stand here and face you, to see you again– to say, "I'm here, Dad, I am alive, I exist." and you witnessed a true miracle, a tangible miracle, a gift from the heavens, a creation of God, you saw it, you witnessed it, and you stood face-to-face with it. go ahead and hug him; sob uncontrollably and tell him you missed him; apologize to him; tell him you’re glad that he’s alive, that he’s back; tell him you’d do anything for him, tell him you’ll never let him go; tell him you love him; do what is fitting when witnessing such a miracle; do the right thing—do what anyone who has lost a loved one would do if that person came back to life, a lover, a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, a daughter, a son, just– no! what are you doing? stop! don’t do that! you mustn't—
he wished you had chosen him.
he thought—he truly believed—that you would.
it seems he didn't return through a miracle, but rather crawled back into the world of the living like a vengeful spirit. his resurrection and his life afterward are now tainted by death; the meaning and symbolism of his return have transformed into the meaning and symbolism of death. no, you are already dead—never forget that! they treat you completely differently from howthey did before you died, and that serves as a constant reminder that you are dead.
you struggle to find your place in life. to reconnect with those who used to be your family. to connect with other people and get to know new people. to resume the life you lost. you can do this—just forget that you died and move on. in fact, you don't even mention it (though the rest of the family still does). it’s okay; it’s all in the past; you can forget, you can forgive and move on, and—Bruce, why did you bring me here?
Jason's resurrection is the cruelest thing I have ever seen.
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I’m just repeating myself at this point but I feel like this is a very important point that I’ve made in the previous posts that at that time I wasn't self-aware enough to connect all the point together smoothly (I was just trying to write every thoughts I had about the things down at that moment.) And also I thought about more points, so…
So, this post was made based on the premise of the understanding about how unreasonable and baseless Bruce’s whole reason for taking Jason in because he is “angry and violent and needed guidance to be on the right path.” This is about Jason’s first interactions with Batman and how it all contradicting with… whatever tf Bruce insisting with other people when he took Jason in as Robin.
Okay so, if Jason was not all the thing that Batman said which I’m so so tired having to repeat, then why Batman keeps insisting with other people that that’s how he is and why did he made that the reason he took Jason in?
Now we have two questions which is (1) the real reason why he took Jason in as Robin and (2) the reason why he made up a fake reason for that
For (1) he admitted to Dick that he “was lonely and missed Dick” (then kicked him out of the house right after that wtf)
I’m not going to elaborate on this (1) because I already did that on the previous posts-
Next thing:
There are so many important things to be mentioned about in this:
-The whole conversation between Bruce and Leslie
-Bruce didn’t admit it when Leslie asked him if he was lonely, then he admit that maybe he was lonely when he was young.
-Bruce said he was doing this for Jason’s sake
-Leslis said he was making what he do sound so heroic, so noble
-Leslie said that he was only doing this for himself and he was still the kid what she took home years ago
-Jason was shot and Bruce took the responsibility for his injury, wondered if he should stop bringing Jason in this (ended up still keeping Jason as Robin)
versus how he fired Dick after he was shot
For (2):
I think Bruce still feel lonely now but he will never admit or want to admit that (he broke a damn glass admitting to Dick that he was lonely and missed him lmao), and how that’s the reason why he took Jason in, because he would break if he do that. When he talked to Leslie, he only admitted to her that “maybe I was lonely back then…” then reassured her by saying "it doesn't matter" and “he liked those times” anyways.
Bruce making the reason of him taking Jason in sound noble and heroic instead of him just being lonely and selfish
versus how he became Batman because he was devastated after his parents’ death and he “channeled it into good and justice” (did he?) (the similarity)
versus how he blamed Dick for being angry because of his parents’ death
versus how he blamed Jason for being angry because of his parents’ death
versus how he blamed Jason for being angry and made that the reason he took him in
Bruce blaming Jason for his actions (Bruce’s) of taking him in as Robin and made it his (which means Jason’s) responsibility because he “angry and violent and needed guidance to be on the right path?” and fate’s responsibility (“He was chosen by this work”) rather then his (Bruce’s) choice and his actions and his responsibility
versus how he blame Jason for being “angry and violent and reckless” for his death
versus the argument that dc was doing that (the blaming) for making Jason looks bad and Bruce looks good
versus how Bruce blamed his actions on Jason from the very beginning it’s not like that’s a brand-new thing that Bruce blamed something on Jason…
…Love my boy Jason who has always bore the brunt of the blame right from the start ...He knows what it feels like to take the blames and responsibilities for the things that your parents did.
At that time, there were no interactions from what we read when Batman first meet Jason that can be use as evidences of him detected “risk of him becoming criminal because he was angry and violence.”
versus how at that time, the only way people (Alfred, Gordon, Dick) can collect information about pre-jaybin is through Bruce’s words, therefore that is the only things that can be used as evidences.
<-This versus how the only way Tim and other people can know about Jaybin is through Bruce and he was saying Jason was disobedient and reckless.
The weirdness of Batman taking Tim in as Robin after when an kid actually died in that costume
versus the weirdness of Batman taking Jason in as Robin after he swore to never put another child in danger because the previous child has been shot. Of course, Tim’s case is discussed more due to the severity of the situation regarding his predecessor, Robin, but…
This guy NEVER learns any lessons.
The weirdness in the “Batman needs a Robin” argument because it’s completely absurd
versus the weirdness in “He needs guidance to be on the right path” because it’s completely absurd
The “We can’t let make them think that Robin can die”
versus what Dick said when Batman” kicked” him out: “If you want Robin to stay dead, that’s okay with me” and Batman telling Gordon that he won’t bother to explain to the world that Robin wasn’t dead because he doesn’t give a fuck what they think :)
It Will Come Back
A study in redemption and taking in strays. A jaykyle fic where green lantern 0 haunts the narrative because i cant write kyle or hal without bringing up gl 0.
18+ its not extremely sexually explicit but it is suggestive so heres your warning

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jason being canonically Not Evil is funny but him somehow managing to use that in fights is even funnier. like the time he ragebaited essence to stab him with her "Warning: Only Use Against Evil" sword so that when she does get him, the sword is like 🤨🤨 ayo that guy is pure of heart tf are you doing and essence gets trapped in the sword as punishment
Challengers when you lift a rock
Chikawa under cut
during an argument with Ra's about whether or not the Al Ghul family could even be considered legal royalty, Jason convinces him to spend a ridiculous amount of time and resources declaring Nanda Parbat and by consequence the League of Assassins to be a part of their own independent nation/country, of which the Al Ghuls are the royal family. an unintended consequence of this is that they are then somehow invited to participate in the Olympic games, whereupon Jason thinks it would be funny to compete in the precision shooting division. it becomes rapidly less funny when he runs into Dick Grayson in the Olympic Village, because Dick lost a bet and had to compete in America's gymnastics division for that year.
a leaked series of press shots shows a photo of the two recreating the spiderman pointing meme in the middle of the street and then a photo of Jason booking it while Dick gives chase, and the footage of Jason winning the gold will forever be immortalised in Gotham meme culture simply because Dick is seen in the background of the entire livestream, standing in the front of the viewing area with his arms crossed and fucking glaring into the side of Jason's skull without blinking or looking away for a second.
Ra's has to give a statement about how he agreed to house Bruce Wayne's second ward as part of a witness protection program, and when he comes back from the press conference he solemnly declares to Jason that 'being royalty wasn't fucking worth it.'
What would Bruce have done if Jason's resurrection had gone correctly?
This is a serious question.
What would he have done? The evidence of Jason's murder is destroyed, Robin has been replaced, any mention of Jason within the manor has been removed (except the case,) Bruce has twisted Jason's story into a cautionary tale, separated himself so he presented as more of a guardian rather than his adoptive father.
What would Bruce have done if Jason pulled himself out of his grave, walked however many miles, and stood in front of Wayne Manor?
What would he tell his son? Seeing him, with all of the injuries of the crowbar and the explosion, what would he say to him? What justice would Bruce say he enacted in Jason's name? What has he done to bring justice to his murdered son?
I think the issue is, there is no correct way for it to have happened.
I see this a lot, particularly in fics, where it’s written like Jason was the one making it hard for himself, that Jason could’ve fixed everything if he’d just gone back to the manor. Which, holy victim blaming Batman. Once again the fault is assigned to Jason, even when it’s shown that he was not really cognitively there until much after he’d crawled out of his grave. But I think it comes down to two things.
Would Jason have gone back if he didn’t go to league? I say no. One, this goes back to before he died but he and Bruce were on pretty shaky terms when he died. Things between them had soured to the point that Jason felt that he had to go and find another parent, since Bruce would get rid of him now after stripping him of Robin. Which, the point isn’t about if that is something Bruce would’ve actually done, that doesn’t really matter here. What matters here is Jason truly believed that, and Bruce had done nothing to change that in the lead up to his death. With the way it was written, there is nothing to show that Jason would ever go back, not when he was so sure Bruce was wiping his hands of him. Second, Jason core fundamental beliefs and personality traits did not change when he died. They shifted to align with his life experience, but the fundamentals never changed. Jason always believed some people were beyond help, he believed that Gotham needed change. He was more radical, when he came back, but those core themes of protectiveness and morality did not change. Jason personality opposes Bruce in a way he could never reconcile, and they were essentially, built to break. I am a firm believer that their relationship was always going to and did deteriorate. I think it would’ve even if he hadn’t died.
Would Jason have been able to go back, even if the reunion happened differently?
No.
They are so morally opposed that I don’t think there’s ever a way they form a close relationship again. Not when their fundamental beliefs oppose one another. There is no way for them to exist peacefully without one of them becoming flexible with their morals. Which, it’ll never be Bruce, so it’ll always be Jason. But why does it have to be Jason? Arguably Jason has more foundation for his beliefs due to his lived experiences, but Bruce’s morality is seen as more valuable.
There was no happy ending, no happy reunion whether Jason went straight back or not. Really Jason and Bruce never worked in the first place. The relationship would’ve crumbled if Jason had’ve lived too, it wouldn’t have made a difference. Jason and Bruce’s father and son relationship was in ruin long before Jason took his last breath.
Who do you guys fancast for the robins?

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jason should fake his death or something. not to sound evil or anything. but like. fake his death in a way where its IMPLIED that he might be dead, not necessarily determined, and do some missions out of the US for a couple months. maybe tell one or two trusted friends. then come back a little while later, refreshed and bright-eyed, and shoot the joker
Something I think is missed too is when comes to the discussion about Jason wanting the Joker dead, and the reasons why he wants the Joker dead.
It is canon that Jason was essentially erased. For identity reasons Bruce changed him out of his Robin uniformed and cleared up the crime scene. The Joker can never be prosecuted through the courts for the death of Jason Todd because as far as the world knows, he had nothing to do with it.
The other big thing is that his tenure as Robin is essentially erased as well. As far as the world is concerned, Robin went from Dick to Tim, there was no one in the middle. There was no second Robin. Everything good Jason did in the suit is attributed to Tim or Dick. The Teen Titan’s he was meant to join at 16 went to Tim, the recognition went to Tim.
Jason Todd becomes a foot note. A cautionary tale to the few that remember he existed. He is their doomed from the beginning story. That’s all he is. He isn’t remembered. Not as Jason Todd anyway, and in the few ways his tenure as Robin is remembered, they aren’t about him.
Nothing about Jason’s memory is about him.
Jason is angry at inaction. He is angry not that the world didn’t stop because he died, but because everyone acts as though he was never there before. He was buried in a public cemetery next to the woman that got him killed, while Bruce had his stuff packed away and photos hidden. The only thing in the manor that memorialises him is that stupid case, and that’s not even for him. It’s a manifestation of Bruce and Alfred’s guilt.
Jason didn’t expect them to fall apart because of his death, he never wanted that. He wanted to be remembered. He wanted to matter and everything that Bruce and Alfred did after Jason died was the opposite.
There was four people at his funeral. Bruce, Alfred, the funeral director and commissioner Gordon. Four people.
What about Eddie Bloomberg? What about Rena? What about Dick Grayson, his brother, who Bruce never called and never tried to even contact? What about Danny Chase, who he was friends with during his brief run on the titans? What about Jericho, who he was also shown as friendly with? What about any of the adult heroes who had known Jason?
Jason’s anger has never been solely because the Joker is alive. It’s because he died, knowing he was going to die and with the belief that it might serve in causing things to change for the better. But it hasn’t. It didn’t change anything. His death became a footnote in the story of Batman, a little line here and there and nothing more.
When Jason comes back to life the Joker is walking in and out of Arkham like it’s his holiday home. He quite literally still mostly has free run and the cycle of bullshit from before just keeps continuing. People keep dying. He wanted change, and that isn’t wrong.
I’m not endorsing the way he went about everything, but I think it’s pretty fucking understandable why he did. Bruce never offered another solution beyond letting the Joker walk in and out of Arkham’s revolving door as he pleases. Bruce didn’t upgrade Arkham’s security, he didn’t get him into a higher level prison, he didn’t use the phantom zone which he could’ve just asked Clark about. There is no reason that Bruce couldn’t have come up with another way to have Joker secured that wouldn’t have ended with Joker dead.
But he doesn’t give Jason any other viable option. Going back to Arkham doesn’t solve anything and Jason knows that. Jason sees Joker dying as the only viable solution to keeping victims safe. To keeping himself safe.
He wanted Bruce to allow him to kill the Joker. Bruce didn’t have to be the one to pull the trigger, Jason would’ve. What he wanted was for Bruce to prove what he’d said all that time ago, to prove that for once Jason could matter more than the mission.
(He never had. Not when he was Robin. Not when it was Gloria Stanson. Not when Bruce thought he was suicidal and he’d run away and Alfred’s freaking out Bruce still went after the Joker. He still chose the mission. He did it with Dick, he did it with Jason, he did it with Tim and he’s even now doing it with Damian. It’s a cycle, one not specific to Jason at all)
(I know Joker had a nuclear weapon, but Nruce was already talking to the Justice League about the Joker. The JL were helping and there is no reason he couldn’t have asked one of them to locate Jason, or asked that they takeover and handle Joker while he tracks down Jason. Because he never went to Lebanon to find Jason, he went to find Joker and happened to run into Jason while there. He even tells Jason this to his face)
Bruce had, not long before Jason died, talked to him about Felipe and Jose Garzonas. I’m pretty sure anyone who’s looked into Jason as a character knows about The Diplomat’s Son. It’s extremely relevant to DITF and what leads to Jason leaving the manor. In it, after Felipe falls to his death (it’s left ambiguous but I subscribe most to the idea that while Jason didn’t push him, he didn’t try to save him either, but that’s a matter of personal opinion) Jose goes mad with grief. He is hysterical (not whatever Bruce was in DITF) and goes after Batman and Robin to avenge his son’s death.
Jose Garzonas proceeds to die because Bruce knocks a stack of cars onto him, that Bruce then proceeds to turn around and blame entirely on Jason. But I think what matters most here for Jason’s future actions, is what Bruce proceeds to say before the comic ends.
Bruce says that Jose Garzonas actions in trying to kill them to avenge his son are only what could be expected of a father losing his son. That any parent who lost a kid would want revenge on the reason that child was gone. I don’t have the direct quote but that’s essentially the gist of it. Bruce set the expectation for a parent avenging their child, he tells Jason that’s what he should expect.
Except, Bruce didn’t do that.
(Yes I hear your arguments about Clark stopping him and I raise you my recent post about Clark’s involvement in DITF)
I just, there’s so much nuance to Jason beyond just wanting the Joker dead. It’s not just about that, it never has been.