This account exists solely for my DC Comics (mainly Batman) fixation, my love of the TV show Danny Phantom, and sometimes the DPxDC fandom. (I will tag each one appropriately. Just mute the tags detective comics comics, Danny phantom, or dpxdc if you don't want to see certain things from me).
I am not the headcanon police. I like to clear up misinformation because it spreads like wildfire and I am aware most fans don't have easy access to the source material. I didnāt grow up with comic book money and streaming services are predatory cost-wise. If you have the information and like to enjoy your headcanons contrary to the source material, even if I say they aggravate me specifically, that's cool. You do you, boo. (Unless a Gothamite is calling pork roll Taylor Ham. You are not allowed this one /mostly joking and seething in exaggerated Central & South Jersey rage)
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This!!! This is the chance Iāve been looking for!!!
āSo, even with everybody thinking youāre a bad ghost, youāre still gonna try to be the hero?ā
āWell, somebodyās gotta. If not me, whoās gonna protect this town? Besides, itās not like I can ignore a scream for help.ā
I am so gonna talk about this boy Iāve been waiting for a good chance to talk about what a good, pure child he is and I am taking it now. Bless his heart I love him so much.
Letās talk about Daniel James Fenton and why he deserves love and protection forever and always.
I agree with you that Jack and Maddie, while flawed, are not abusive parents, but I'm less sure when it comes to Sam's parents (Jeremy and Pamela, I think?). I mean, I could see the problems between them and Sam simply being some temporary issues that they need to work out to let Sam be herself, but they do seem pretty controlling and keep trying to coerce her to be something she's not. Regardless, you'll probably discuss this when you analyze the two of them.
Yeah, I can see where youāre coming from. Pamela especially seems controlling of her daughter. She even put a restraining order on one of her best friends because he āseemed troubled.ā
We donāt really see enough of their relationship to really be certain, though. For the most part, they seem content to let her do her own thing. The only time theyāre ever shown getting really involved is Control Freaks, and even the Fentons are actively pushing against Circus Gothica.
Emotional abuse is hard to spot from the outside, because so much of it relies on manipulation. Simple differences in wording, tone, and even the perception of the victim can change a situation from safe to unsafe very quickly. Iām inclined to lean towards Samās parents being overprotective and very conservative, but not outright abusive. Sam doesnāt fear them in any way, for one thing. In fact, she has no problem standing up to them and even cutting up the dress her mother hands to her while itās still in her hands.
It would be so easy for a family as wealthy as them to ship Sam off to some boarding school or something to whip her into shape, or they could even not care what she does at all and go on vacations at all. Theyāre involved in her life, and while they push things that they think are right, they donāt try to force it.
Compare Pamela and Jeremy to, as an example, the Northwests from Gravity Falls. Pacifica is stubborn and shows a rebellious side, too, but her parents have her trained to submit to them with a simple ring of a bell. Sam still has access to the familyās money to buy her clothes and goth books and such. They let her build and care for her own greenhouse. She was even allowed to invite Tucker over for a movie night.
They arenāt the best parents, and they do a lot wrong, but I think theyāre trying to be supportive and give Sam her freedom in their own way. They just get worried when they shouldnāt because their views are so different from hers. Thatās how I see them, anyway. Itās easy to read them either way because of their lack of screen time, but I wouldnāt call them abusive.
Iām with you here - Samās parents seem overprotective and conservative rather than truly problematic. I wouldnāt even call it controlling, given how much freedom Sam has. Most of the pushback we see from Sam is of the āUgh my parents donāt GET me GODā Which to be fair was a common teenage daughter trope of the 90ā²s and 00ā²s.
Samās parents seem very accommodating to me. They also:
- Buy her a gothic purple dress for the dance in season 1
- Hire an entire medical team to look after Sam in What You Want, when all she had was a cold
- Let Sam stay out overnight at the zoo for a project that wasnāt even hers
- Let Sam stay out ghost hunting all the time? (Dannyās the only one who ever complains about curfew)
- Allow her to presumably use family funds to replace the amphibian dissection program of the school with mechanical frogs
- Volunteer to drive the (Deadly) Ectoskeleton in Reign Storm
- Immediately and Vehemently defend their daughter from accusations when itās revealed sheās associated with Danny Phantom in Reality Trip
as well as all the other points listed above. Even in Control Freaks, they only go crazy overbearing on Danny when outside news convinces them heās a threat (TV: āLearn to recognize a bad influence when it walks in your door!ā *Danny immediately walks in raving about a CD of questionable content*) and even then only go into overdrive when Sam is caught cutting class with said ābad influenceā at Circus Gothica, that very day.
The main hangup I see most people have with Samās parents is Pamelaās persistence in trying to get Sam to wear girly, frilly things. And while there is something to be said about parents who use their kids as barbie dolls, or parents who have strict rules on public appearances, Pamela comes off more as the āOh my little girl wouldnāt she look adorable in this dress that I personally like?ā which is played up for laughs. She never has consequences for NOT dressing up that way, and never impedes Sam from wearing her gothic garb. The behavior is annoying, at best, like a sibling who gets you a gift they would like and use, and doesnāt understand why you donāt like it too.
It wouldāve been cool to have an episode based on Sam and her parents, simply because they clearly have some sort of rift there. But donāt confuse a bad relationship (āwe donāt get each otherā) with an abusive one (āwe are actively hurting each other.ā) Thereās a huge difference there.
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The Batkids favorite hero is Batman but they won't let him know even if it means their death. They just say any random hero's name when someone asks them who their favorite is. It might have been true when they were young but now? The favorite is obvious and everyone know Everyone except Bruce.
Bruce: That's why you're his favorite.
Clark, wide-eyed: When he was ten!
Clark: so Supermanās still your favorite?
Dick, who told Bruce last week heād die for him and then crashed out and cried so hard when Bruce hugged him he had to lie down: yeah, what makes you say that?
An Analysis of Duke Thomas in Wayne Family Adventures
I've been seeing a lot of posts and comments recently concerning Duke Thomas in WFA. I know WFA discourse has been done to death, but these comments were about how they'd only read WFA, felt Duke lacked a personality, his powers weren't distinctive, etc. Out of the main WFA characters, I think Duke has the least-read comics and the least understood canon history. This post is going to dissect WFA!Duke, compare it with canon!Duke, and address whether WFA is a fair representation of Duke or not.
This is not a WFA hate post. A lot of comics readers love WFA and vice versa, and I'm not going to dictate what people should like or dislike. Check out this post I made yesterday about the origins of WFA, which really aren't ill-intentioned. However, judging by the comments/posts I've seen, a lot of people don't know the difference between WFA!Duke and canon!Duke. This post exists to clarify those discrepancies and hopefully encourage more people to read Duke's comics.
The Positives
Let's cover the pros of WFA!Duke first! The sheer fact that he's one of the main characters and present throughout is amazing, allowing more people to learn and get interested in Duke. Since he doesn't have his own ongoing, WFA is about the only place to get consistent Duke content.
Plus look at how cute he is:
His presence also means we get fun interactions with other characters that Duke doesn't get to interact with in canon, such as Steph and Dick. As a diehard Duke-is-Dick's-successor believer, I appreciate any page-time they get together, even if it's not substantial.
Also, WFA season 3 confirmed that Duke can turn invisible without his suit, which is just fun!
Framing
Duke is introduced in the very first episode, and in some ways is the framing device for the entire webtoon. He is "Gotham's Newest Vigilante," learning about the family and the manor.
Many episodes of WFA have Duke asking a question that the others respond to. You can see this in Episode 2 ("The Last Cookie," he asks about their tradition), Episode 7 ("Vigilante Bingo"), Episode 30 ("Driving Lessons"), Episode 39 ("Secret Identity"), all the way to one of the latest minisodes (Mini Episode 3 - Super Friends).
This framing is not completely incorrect, since Duke is the newest addition to the family. The problem with this framing, though, is that Duke's personality and problems are never the focus - in these episodes we learn a lot about the other Batfam, and nothing about Duke.
Take "Vigilante Bingo". We learn so much canon stuff about Dick, Jay, Tim, and Cass, including who's died/come back (Cass and Tim chime in here, which is not very well known in fanon). However, because Duke is the one asking the question, he doesn't get to participate in the answers. This framing makes WFA-only readers learn shockingly little about Duke's prior activities, and they only cover his backstory in episode 76.
Personality
Because of his perpetual outsider status, WFA!Duke's most prominent traits are confusion, timidity, and insecurity.
(I found all these by literally clicking on any thumbnail with Duke in it. He exhibits confusion/timidity/insecurity all the time).
The first two traits - confusion and timidity - is completely antithetical to Duke in canon. Just compare these panels from We Are Robin #6 to a panel from WFA:
Canon!Duke gets shot and thinks to himself: "how baller is that?!". WFA!Duke hears about a booby-trapped lawn and makes that face. This reaction is basically the opposite of the way WAR!Duke would react. I have legitimately no clue how anyone could read We Are Robin or The Cursed Wheel and come away with Duke being timid.
More examples of how canon!Duke acts when confronted with dangerous situations, just for fun:
From We Are Robin #2, we have Duke mouthing off to people he's just met; from Robin War, we have the iconic jumping-out-of-cop-car scene; from Robin War again, we have Duke standing up for one more battle against Damian with absolutely no hesitation.
Duke in canon is headstrong, stubborn to a fault, outspoken, and brave. These qualities just don't come through in WFA.
Insecurity
The third component of WFA!Duke's personality, insecurity, is the only one with some canon basis. Check out this panel from Batman & The Signal #1:
Here, he's struggling with his place in the family, something WFA!Duke also deals with in Episode 75 + 76 ("Worthy"). But I think WFA misconstrued where this insecurity comes from.
Duke's problem is not that he's a meta, it's that he's a meta with "powers no one understands yet". A "walking detective case," so to speak. His insecurity stems from his lack of understanding around his powers, because at this point he doesn't know about Gnomon. WFA somehow turns this into a problem with the powers itself:
This is simply not supported in canon. Duke has no problems using his powers; even in Batman & The Signal, the peak of his canon insecurities, he literally says "go, go ghost vision" (god I love him). Moreover, his powers come from his mom. Saying that Duke feels he needs to prove he's worthy "in spite of" his powers is a complete misreading of Duke's canon feelings. Which leads to my next point:
Family
"Worthy" positions Duke's powers in opposition to Bruce's approval, and though the episode ends with Duke accepting himself, it's clear throughout WFA that his biggest parental figure/source of approval is Bruce.
WFA!Duke talks and thinks about Bruce more than he does his mom and dad, which is genuinely mind-boggling. Canon!Duke talks about his parents basically every single page. It's one of the most consistent aspects of his character!
From We Are Robin #2, Batman & The Signal #1, The Cursed Wheel Part 1, and Batman: Urban Legends #19. Duke's parents are only mentioned in "Worthy" as part of his traumatic backstory, but Duke's parents aren't backstory - they're alive. By neglecting the importance of Duke's parents, WFA is ignoring a fundamental aspect of Duke's character and making him seem like just another orphan.
This panel from Episode 118 is hilarious in the context of canon!Duke waffling on about his parents 24/7. But the erasure of Duke's parents is symptomatic of another problem with WFA.
Supporting Cast
Duke's first multi-parter is Episodes 8/9/10, "Crush". In this episode, Duke asks a girl out, and then she breaks up with him.
First of all, compared to other two-parters (all of Cass', Dick's "Big Brother", Steph's "Belonging", hell even Tim's "Better and Brighter"), this two-parter is incredibly detached from Duke's character. All you learn is that he gets crushes and doesn't like break-ups, which isn't character-specific at all.
Secondly, using an OC as Duke's girlfriend is so bizarre given Duke has 1 canon love interest. Here, I googled it:
Imagine the story we could've gotten with Izzy instead; with them having canon history, this two-parter would've been a lot more impactful, and introduce We Are Robin characters to a WFA audience. I'd also like to point out the difference in how these relationships begin:
Another example of WFA introducing timidity into a scenario where canonically, Duke played it extremely cool (from We Are Robin #9).
WFA uses none of Duke's supporting cast. To be fair, Duke's supporting cast isn't well known, but isn't WFA a perfect low-stakes place to spotlight unknown characters? Harper gets appearances, and she's been neglected by canon for ages. Tim gets to have Bernard, Jason gets literally all of his Outlaws, and there's even a KonCass cameo!
There's a reason why the top comment on every single one of the Crushed eps doesn't even mention Duke.
Shouldn't Duke-centric episodes have comments about Duke? The story is so vague and widely applicable that there's nothing about Duke to comment on, so the spotlight is shifted onto the other Batfam members. If the story had included Duke's supporting cast, think about how much more we could've learned about Duke himself.
Side note: why on Earth is Luke Fox Duke's go-to mentor? They have next to no canon interactions, and while having a Black mentor is something Duke probably needs, he already has one. Batman and The Outsiders sets up the Duke and Black Lightning relationship really nicely. Not to mention in "Worthy," Duke's problem is about having powers, which makes Luke Fox's inclusion (as a non-meta) baffling. Black Lightning would've been perfect!
Conclusion + Wishlist
This is the top comment on Episode 76. I think I've demonstrated how untrue this is, because WFA!Duke doesn't even touch the worst of canon!Duke. WFA!Duke has next to no defining characteristics, which contributes to him being the 'boring' or 'sane' one. To any WFA-only readers, please don't think this is representative of Duke as a whole; reading even just the first issue of We Are Robin shows how interesting and full of personality he really is.
It's disappointing because WFA is a lot of people's only exposure to the Batfam, and portraying Duke like this has only caused them to misinterpret his character. However, there has been improvement - they're beginning to mention his backstory a lot more, which means they've read some of his comics. I still believe they can turn it around!
Here's some improvements they could make, along with some things I want expanded upon:
Stop using Duke as the outsider/newbie character. It's been over 100 eps, he doesn't need that anymore!
Mention his supporting cast, or at the very least mention his parents more
Expand on his canon relationships with Damian, Cass, and Jason, they deserve to be close!
Use his detective abilities/affinity for puzzles
Mention his dislike of heights
Involve him in more shenanigans
I don't have FastPass but please bring Duke back into the fold of S3!!
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[Image ID: A very confused, and slightly horrified looking Danny Phantom holds the Little Baby Man version of himself that is hugging his hand and purring. /. End ID]
So here's a fun thought: Consider a situation in which LBM is NOT, in fact, a tiny Danny, but a mimic blob ghost that has adopted his image as a form of Batesian self defense. Then imagine Danny's reaction to seeing some fucked up little uncanny valley cat version of himself with zero warning or context.
Per Wikipedia: "Batesian mimicry is a form of mimicry where a harmless species has evolved to imitate the warning signals of a harmful species directed at a predator of them both."
A Non-Exhaustive Guide to Future and Alternative Swearing in DC Comics.
Legionnaires #23 Swears curtesy of the Legionnaire's resident potty mouth Querl Dox aka Brainiac 5.
Being that DC spans many different periods in time there are many different curses and swears that have been used with varying degrees of frequency among multiple characters.
Bart Allen and other time displaced characters are some of those in the modern timestream that use some of the following in place of English swears. Otherwise the bulk of these words are used in comics such Legion of Super-Heroes and sometimes in comics that take place off-world.
To note, most of these swear words are supposed to be taken directly from Interlac, the universal language spoken by everyone in the 31st century as a unifying interstellar language.
Interlac is a language that is many thousands of years old by the 31st century, and the same Interlac language exists in the 21st century as well. There are some references that the language does shift over the thousand years of time passage, but it is still recognizable between speakers.
Without further elaboration here is a non-exhaustive list of the most common swears, their approximate meaning, and general time/place/characters they are used in/by.
Grife
Meaning: Fuck/Shit.
An intense swear used as an expletive for surprise or frustration. Sometimes used as "fucking" where -ing is attached to the end.
Used commonly in the 31st century and by Bart Allen in the 21st century.
Sprock
Meaning: Also Fuck/Shit.
An intense swear used as an expletive for surprise or frustration. Sometimes used as "fucking" where -ing is attached to the end. Is generally interchangeable with grife. Sometimes, both grife and sprock are combined to create compound swears such as "gee-sprocking-rife" courtesy of Brainiac 5.
Used commonly in the 31st century by all Legionnaires. Has made its way into other media such as the CW's Supergirl.
Nass/Nass-Head
Meaning: Shit/Ass
An expletive used often as an insult or as as a common crass intensifier. Most commonly used as "nass-head" in place of "shit-head" or "We're going to kick nass!" or "We're stepping in nass."
Used in the 31st century.
Scroach
Meaning: Bastard/Fucker
A derogatory uncommon/rare insult directed at someone. "That person is such a sprocking scroach I want to beat the nass out of them."
Used by a future version of Bart Allen in the Impulse comics during the Dark Tomorrow story arc. As far as I know, it is exclusive to the Impulse comics.
Grokk/Grok
Meaning: Shit/Fuck/Damn
An expletive used in surprise or frustration, much like sprock or grife.
This swear is used more commonly in 21st century interlac in comics like L.E.G.I.O.N. or comics that take place off of Earth. This swear has made it into other media as an Easter Egg such as in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Bart Allenās Characterization, as per his CREATOR. | Dare I say, the Bart Allen post, to end all Bart Allen posts? |
Bart Allen is a character that is so often badly characterized that most people out there have no idea what heās like. Heās constantly characterized as essentially a 7-year-old, and was even believed by some fans to be only 10-years-old to 12-years-old when his solo started. This is not the case, as while he arrived as a 12-year-old at the very beginning of his first appearance, his struggle was that he aged rapidly, meaning that by the end of that fiasco, his age settled at the age of 15-years-old.
This isnāt even close to the only misconception about MisterĀ Bartholomew Henry Allen the second. As due to later writers consistently infantilizing this once magnificent representation of a teenager with ADHD, that had fun dynamics as a fish out of water, his original personality is something that many Bart Allen fans wish would come back from the war once again. It was what allowed Bart to be an initially popular character, that had a decently lasting solo series, that was eventually slowly killed by bad characterization and infantilization.
Heck, itās hard to begin to know where to start since thereās so many misconceptions about what was intended by his creator. Iām going to do my best, though, as I am one of those many that wish for Bartās original characterization to come back. Heās not a hyper little boy as people think (Again, he was never 10-years-old. They just didnāt care to draw him properly when he returned. And his return panel is so widely shared these days). Heās actually the most teenagery teenager thatās ever existed.
So Iām going to start with the first issue of his solo series and go from there. Iām using the first ten issues of his solo as my line of research, since by then his characterization is readily fleshed out, and you can understand a lot of his true depth.
Also, this is going to be super long, but if you want to know Bartās character like a pro-Bart-Allen-Er (?) this is the post for you.
What makes Bart unique, and whatās Bart like at school?
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Im DYING to hear what you have time to say about Tim bring atheist
Okay so this is partly answering a longer ask I'm currently working on about each character's religion in canon, but let me just say this: DC Comics pretending like any hero is actually atheist cracks me up because it's an unbearably stupid concept in a world where mulitple pantheons of gods literally exist, the Spectre is God's Chosen, and Heaven and Hell are both tangible places multiple heroes have been. They might not believe in YOUR* god, but I find it extremely difficult to believe they don't believe in A god (or gods).
*generic you, encompassing any given religion and/or interpretation of the divine
I specifically want to inspect Fabian Nicieza's brain while he was writing Tim's Judgement on Gotham tie-in issue, because one of his best friends is Zeus's daughter, he semi-regularly works with Azrael, and he's good friends with Helena Bertinelli...but he doesn't believe in a god or understand the concept of Catholic Suffering?
My mom was a little religious, my dad not at all. So when she was killed--and my dad was left in a coma--I didn't have a strong foundation of faith to turn to. By the time my father was killed--then so many of my friends--all I had left to turn to was anger. It was easier than believing in a God who had let that happen. But anger sovled little and when the world was in crisis...I prayed. I heard only silence. So I confessed my sins...and realized I had none. How could someone who tried so hard to be good--did so much for so many people--be asked to endure so much? -Red Robin (2009) #22
Nicieza had not read the Book of Job in several years (if he ever had) when he wrote that issue, I'll tell you that much. If he had, we might be having a very different conversation about Tim Drake's religious belief system right now.
My larger beef with DC is that their writers continually impose their own incredibly limited, biased, and Western Christian-centric religious views onto characters in a universe where those views make no sense, and there's fewer characters that issue is more prominent with than Bruce Wayne and Tim Drake; while there's nuance to be found in the difference between belief and worship, writers often throw around atheism whenever they want to prove how "logical and intelligent" their character is. Except within the canonical constraints of the DCU...claiming to be atheist just makes them look dumb, because they're denying an objective fact of their universe.
Basically: you can be generally non-religious (or non-practicing) without being a non-believer, which is what most of the "atheists" in the DCU probably should be. Realistically, any hero a writer wants to make "atheist" should be saying something like "all these gods and divine forces in the universe and not one of them chose to help me when I was suffering? They don't deserve to be worshipped" instead of "I don't believe in god."
But that would require comic writers to actually engage in a nuanced understanding of religion (within a fantasy world or otherwise), which we know a solid 95% of them are incapable of doing. Thus: Tim Drake, "technical atheist" despite being besties with a literal demi-goddess, personally witnessing multiple resurrections, and having worked with the physical embodiment of the Abrahamic God's Wrath/Vengeance on multiple occasions.