Hello Frens

No one will ever be able to convince me that Adam somehow forced the other kingdoms to agree because- look at him

There are a handful of heroes I can think of who would agree to something like this whether I like it or not

Also are we forgetting who PUT UP THE BARRIER?! *glares at FG*

So there it's probable- or now that I think about it even confirmed by canon stuff that the villain kids told Auradon what the island is really like (I remember seeing an Auradon magazine that had a "Ask a vk" or something where Carlos talks about the island)

I truly wonder if this sparked stronger discussion in Auradon or not because-

Okay bear with me because here's how I see Adam

He's not a ruthless tyrant even though that is an interesting take on his character-

He's a spineless coward

Now neither of these two are good especially for a king but it does bring into question how he managed to pull so much of the shit he's done

Like- in D1 he relents with bringing the daughter of what he describes as "The worst villain in the land" because his son says "please" and gives him puppy eyes (yes I know Belle also said some stuff but still)

And then family day he blames Ben for in his eyes "starting something" and then walks away

Then in D3 he doesn't say much about what he thinks about the island until Mal suggests closing the barrier and bam, he immediately hops on what she says because it seems like the opinion everyone in the room (except Ben) agrees with and then he lets Mal smoothtalk HIS SON into doing something he doesn't want

Why didn't Adam himself talk to Ben about this?

Because he's a coward who doesn't want to "start anything"

We even see that in the finale- the one of two times I actually understand his reaction when he says they can't just bring down the barrier out of nowhere

Now what does it take to convince him to back down?

Ben telling him it's his decision and Belle VERY LIGHTLY raising her hand

With all that I just said I think it went one of two ways after the rest of Auradon found out about the conditions of the island

The people didn't care because they where villains

There WAS an outcry about how unfair the island was and Adam- the spineless man he is just let someone else deal with the protestors and no one in that situation really cared about the island

Ooops this became way longer than I planned uhm-

Just want to clarify that I have no issues with people having their own headcanons about this stuff I just like to talk about what I think and I tend to spiral easily as you can clearly see

No one will ever be able to convince me that Adam somehow forced the other kingdoms to agree because- look at him

There are a handful of heroes I can think of who would agree to something like this whether I like it or not

Also are we forgetting who PUT UP THE BARRIER?! *glares at FG*

I've noticed some posts floating around here where people are straight up saying Audrey sexually assaulted Ben?!

First off- you need to be very careful when throwing around words like that because that is some serious shit to accuse people off

Second, Ben is only shown to be uncomfortable around Audrey TWO times and none of those times has to do with her touching him.

Meeting the Vks in D1, Audrey grabs him slightly as a signal to- mostly Evie as she's the one "interested" in Ben first. Here- while Ben does seem uncomfortable it's NOT Because Audrey is touching him. It's because even the most dense of people can sense the awkward tension between Evie and Audrey. Also Ben is NOT the one who pulls away from Audrey's touch, between scenes you can even see how he's holding her hand in BOTH of his. FG Is the one who pulls their hands apart in that scene and after that it is very clear that the reason Ben is uncomfortable is because of Audrey and Mal beefing, NOT because Audrey is touching him, he even laughs awkwardly when Audrey and Mal are snappy with each other- I think that's a clear indicator to what is making him uncomfortable

When she was possessed in D3. See that word people? POSSESSED! Also- Ben's FIRST instinct when he sees Audrey like that is to TRY AND HELP HER. Bare in mind everyone, HE ASKED HER OUT FIRST Confirmed

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, the way some people go out of their way to make Audrey seem like some irredeemable monster is just- straight up wrong

She is a TEENAGER and in D1 she is a CHILD

Yes I know by D3 she has probably had time to turn 18 but you can't put an 18 year old to the same standard as a person in- let's say their twenties

Do I still think she did a lot of things wrong? Yes

Do I think she should've gone to therapy instead of letting her anger and bitterness fester like this? Also yes

But please, stop villainizing children

This is just you not giving a damn that Ben is a guy and Audrey is a girl. Because people like you will scream when it happens to a girl. So I'll make it easier for your tiny brain to imagine: male Audrey touches female Ben's face and chest, offering her to be his Queen and if she doesn't listen, her people are doomed.

D1 - I can accept your interpretation that maybe Ben was not uncomfortable with Audrey's touch but D3 is just you not caring. Yes, Audrey was under a spell. So was Ben when he dumped her - so why is he criticised for his actions under a spell when he did not physically harm her while Audrey's allowed to sexually harass and threaten his kingdom if he does not comply? If its so ok, then why are you so against Gaston doing the same to Belle in Beauty and the Beast? Why is it ok for it to happen to Ben but not Belle?

But if we’re going to talk about Ben and his well-being and what other CHILDREN his age have done

Mal and Uma have both taken away his ability to consent to things, Mal tried to ERASE his memories in D2 when he caught her lying

Do I hate either Mal or Uma for doing these things? NO! Because- I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself THEY ARE CHILDREN

And literally nothing too bad (that we know of) happens while Ben is spelled (well except him dumping Audrey and almost bringing down the barrier in D2-)

And you need to look into why people critique Ben in regards to Audrey

It’s not about how he broke up with Audrey- it’s the fact that he never talked with her AFTER the spell broke

Now it’s apparently been confirmed that the reason he didn’t was because- he thought she was fine since she started “dating” Chad right after

In my opinion? Still stupid but those are the kind of actions I can chalk up to “he’s a teenage boy without a fully developed brain”

…. *bonks Belle and Adam, and anyone else who signed off in making a teenager king on the head*

And I will repeat again (honestly idk why you brought up Belle and Gaston into this-)

Never EVER in the movie is Gaston spelled or showed to be going through something that would compromise his free-will

He wants Belle because he wants a trophy

He’s a hunter and shes the prey, I think it’s very obvious why that’s a messed up way to view someone else

Audrey would’ve been like Gaston if she locked Ben up after he said no (which- I still wouldn’t have blamed her fully for because SHE WAS SPELLED)

She turns him into a beats (and I mean yeah messed up considering she knew how much that would hurt him but again- SPELLED)

And while his mind is compromised from being a beast it is clear that Audrey did not do anything to be able to control him in this scene