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I've never read Homestuck but there's a type of media that I call "a Homestuck" and I think it's a useful categorization. The main criteria are:
long enough that the time investment is a serious barrier to entry
irrevocably changes your personality
brings something genuinely unique to the table. there is no real substitute for reading/playing/watching it in its entirety
Fate/Stay Night is a Homestuck. Worm is a Homestuck. When They Cry is a Homestuck.
Undertale has cultural impact similar to a Homestuck at first glance, but the fact that it's a pretty short and accessible game means that you don't get the particular mix of sunk cost fallacy and an intimate experience with a piece of media that results in you needing to connect with others who have already put in the time investment. You can buy your friends Undertale and expect them to play it if they're not too busy; telling a friend to read Homestuck is giving them a quest that, if accepted, will spark an odyssey. to read someone's Homestuck is an act of love without true equivalent.
I've been staring at this post for like 30mins and I'm not sure why it has me like this but I'll try to explain:
Fundamentally, a "Homestuck" must be something you assume your IRL friends:
Are not already into, and
Are probably not going to get into
for a combination of factors, which may or may not include:
Length
Difficulty to parse, for ANY reason(s)
Lack of mainstream presence
Dated/otherwise offensive elements
Notoriety of the fanbase, especially if it's full of literal children
On top of all of this, it must also bring a relatively unique experience to the table, especially one that changes how you see the world.
The result is a piece of media or experience that is almost impossible to share with any IRL friends. It is much easier to find someone online who understands than it is to introduce someone you know to a "Homestuck". In this regard, a "Homestuck" must be a simultaneously enriching and isolating experience for its fans. Without online communities and/or conventions, it must be extremely difficult to share what a "Homestuck" means to you with anyone else.
Ok so some of the examples I kept seeing in the comments and RBs (I haven't read/watched all of these but these are my thoughts)
Worm is a great example. Though the fanbase is different, format is traditional, and it's not "problematic" (I think), Worm is both extremely unique and impossible to introduce to friends.
Danganronpa is more mainstream, but otherwise fits the bill decently well. It's more popular than some of the other entries and its basic formula isn't unique, but it isn't easy to get into and its execution is pretty interesting
More mainstream examples like One Piece, Dr. Who, and Star Trek all feel more like semi-"Homestuck"s due to it being much easier to find someone into them, making them far less isolating experiences.
Touhou makes a lot of sense, as it's difficult to describe its appeal to people and it's a very unusual multimedia experience. However, Touhou can also be enjoyed without needing to parse all of its complexities, so I think it's a bit lower in the list
MLP would be difficult to introduce to people due to the perception of both the show itself and of its fanbase. However, I'm not sure how well it meets the other criteria (I haven't seen it)
I think most of the other examples can be thought of along these lines. Really, the "how isolating is it IRL" seems to be the biggest factor, as if something is both niche and meaningful, it becomes that much more difficult for the people around you to understand you
I've actually avoided reading Ward because I'm not the same person I was when I read Worm. I still read the occasional Worm fanfic, though. And I dropped Homestuck after Scratch's cosmic reset.
I've been slowly getting into Fate for awhile now, and the difference between it and something like Worm or Homestuck is that, for those two, all the fans I've spoken to have actively advised me to not try and get into it. And the first time this happened was with Homestuck in like, 2011 at a choir camp. Guy next to me brought it up in conversation and when I started asking questions he eventually said I probably wouldn't be able to get into it since it was so complicated. I don't think I ever even learned his name, but he saved me from ruin that day.
I passed a flower shop next to a tattoo shop and at first I laughed because I thought it was ironic and then i freaked because IMAGINE YOUR OTP IN A FLORIST/TATTOO ARTIST AU
I cannot BELIEVE a post I made when I was 13 is circulating! And also apparently started this trope? I thought somebody had the idea separately and it blew up that way😭
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I drink two cups of coffee per day not because I have an addiction, but because my body has adapted to the presence of caffeine enough that its absence causes mild but unpleasant side effects.
I reblogged this post not because I liked it and wanted to share it, but because reading it elicited a pleasant sensation that I felt would be appreciated by others
You actually cannot skip to being good at a creative endeavour that you haven't put much practice into. You cannot trick your way out of the 'knows that your work is not what you want it to be but don't know how to improve it' stage by planning or reading or talking about it really really hard. At some point you just have to craft through it until your brain finds it's own unique way back to the 'everything I make slaps' stage and be prepared to start the cycle all over again. You just have to make that project you're excited about slightly less good than you want it to be. (Says this standing in a pool of blood and covered in blood and also coughing up a little blood)
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I’m going to be honest I am annoyed about the influx of fic turned book that’s been happening the last few years. Not every hobby has to turn into a hustle. It also feels disingenuous and like you don’t actually care about fandom and the fanfiction community and it’s just a workshop for these authors. Also I think it’s hedging closer and closer to a crackdown on fics because so many of this books are being marketed as former fics, it’s making this line blurrier and blurrier and the very thin shield that Fair Use has to protect fic writers could easily be stripped. Idk it just feels yucky and nasty to me personally
Not going to be diplomatic but kind of mean with my addition here. But I also think you’re a bad writer if you do this. Because either your fic sucked as a fic or your book will suck as a book, because a good fic is so intrinsic with canon details and remixes and interpretations of the source material, that readers are so excited to read it because it feels like the characters/universe they first fell in love with. If your fic-turned-book can easily be stripped of those nuances, it fails as a good fic. Maybe it was highly readable but it wasn’t good. But, then, if your fic-turned-book cannot be easily stripped of those nuances, it fails as a good book because it’s no longer readable. I have read myself* exactly one fic-turned-book where I had also read the fic version, and one of the highly emotional moments in the narrative fell completely flat in the book because all of the original source material had been stripped away.
*a few of my friends have read fic-turned-books after reading the original fic, a few of my friends have read fic-turned-books that was never actually posted as fic (the Hozier RPF), I have compared the original fics to fic-turned-books, I have unknowingly read a fic-turned-book where I didn’t read the fic but I was familiar with the source material for the fic. The specific one cited above is a fic I read in 2022 that was then turned into a book that I read this year, just to see what could possibly have been changed
Additionally, I think you’re a sell out loser grifter if you are using your time spent in fandom to sell something. Either by turning a fic into a trad pub novel or by mentioning that you are a fanfic author.
Write your original fiction, I want you to succeed at that. But why are you using your experience in fandom as a reason why people should buy your book and why people should trust that you are a good author? Mentioning not only fanfiction in your author bio, but the fact that you wrote some of the most read real person fanfiction as something to be proud of and for the average reader to want to buy your book. That is modifying your experience in the fandom and makes everything you’ve done seem disingenuous.
Fanfiction authors are not influencers. We are not capitalistic content creators. By tying your professional career to your time as a fan fiction author, you are violating the covenants of fandom.
And yes there are plenty of traditionally published authors who started as fic writers or got their start by turning their fics into books, like EL James, Cassandra Clare, Ali Hazelwood, Casey Mcquiston. And guess what? That is all still loser behavior!! Even if for most of those, their fandom pasts were iykyk situations with enough plausible deniability for some of them that it wasn’t just flagrant scraping by of copyright laws. But none of these people (to my knowledge) were using their fanfiction pasts to sell books.
Why are your ao3 stats being brought up in your bio? Why is your book being promoted as a former fanfiction? Why are you monetizing community?
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