It's been... almost a year since we created this sideblog. And I just realized we don't really have an intro for this blog, so I decided to create one.
We use the name Watcher collectively, and they/them pronouns. Bodily we're 22.
This blog was created with the sole purpose of archiving plural comics, posts on medical and non-medical plurality, plural resources, posts on syscourse, and to see how syscourse evolves and developes over time.
Who are we?
We're a mixed-origin plural system, originally traumagenic but we've gained new members other ways, and because we have traumagenic, endogenic, and willogenic members we've decided to keep origins this way. We suspect we have an undiagnosed dissociative disorder, most likely OSDD. Because of this, we sometimes call ourselves an OSDD system.
We use this blog to reblog general system, plural, comics, or syscourse posts. We will sometimes debate in the syscourse tag, especially anti endos, or sometimes respond to drama.
Syscourse stance
We're pro endo, anti harassment, and pro kindness. Nowadays we lean more neutral, but we support the idea that endogenic systems are systems, plural, and just sharing their experiences.
This blog was created to separate plural stuff from our main account, @watcherwingedcat. Especially when it comes to syscourse. We're not professionals in any way on systems, but we've been researching both DID and dissociative disorders in general since we were thirteen. We've read lots of studies, papers, research, and conclusions from professionals, and we're yet to find a specialist in dissociative disorders, mental health professional, psychiatrist or psychologist who says that non-dissociative systems aren't real.
Our system name is The Void council, we don't really identify with any origin label tough, as we think it only creates division amongst the community. In total, there's twelve of us, in order of formation:
Charlie, or Moss, the host. Bodily 22 years old. He/they/it pronouns. Dog therian (greyhound), jackrabbit therian, barn owl therian, watcherkin, winged catkin, moonhearted and phantomhearted. Child of the moon and lab experiment archetype. Aroace, genderfaun and nonbinary.
Orion, protector. A couple of thousand years old. It/he pronouns. Watcherkin and raptorkin. Aroace and agender. He won't post as regularly as I do, and we don't have a system to sign off our posts, so sometimes I'll be posting and sometimes he will post.
Theo, little. Around 7 or 9 years old. He doesn't really post here, as he doesn't like social media. He/him pronouns, a fox hybrid/kenomimi.
Clementine, positivity holder. 24 years old. She/her pronouns. Human and questioning horsehearted.
Leo, a Leonardo Hamato fictive from ROTTMNT, persecutor. 16 years old. He/it pronouns.
Nero, protector, dissociation holder and co-host. Shapeshifter, took a long while to form, as he was stuck trying to convey some sort of identity. Now he's pretty chill, handles stressful situations and dissociation. We don't really know their role, he's just there to block memories and emotions when needed. Voidkin, ageless. They/them pronouns.
Lana, social protector. She likes cheeseburgers, we think she's around 22-23 years old. Human, she/her pronouns.
Angel, an Angel Dust fictive, emotional protector. He's around 35 years old. Pretty chill, uses he/she pronouns but generally doesn't care a lot about gender.
Kinger, a Kinger fictive. Acts a lot like a dad. He's an old man, don't know exactly his age but maybe even older than Orion, he/him pronouns. Doesn't front often.
Vance, a Vox fictive. We don't know exactly his age (around his thirties), and he's pretty source separate. An anxious mess most of the time, age regresses pretty easily. He/him but doesn't care too much about gender.
Nico, a nonhuman headmate. He's a black fox, probably an adolescent or a child (acts 18 or younger). He/him pronouns. Doesn't talk much when fronting, even less not fronting.
Caine, a Caine fictive from TADC. He looks a lot like his source, and he's source-conected with Kinger, both from the same canon. He/him pronouns.
We're neurodivergent, with autism and ADHD, both diagnosed. Because of this, sometimes we might read the tone of a post wrong, and we may reply with tone tags.
We don't really have a DNI (as they don't work), just don't be an asshole. We're pretty neutral on everything surrounding drama, but we have a general stance on being nice toward others and don't judge other's lives or business in general.
When it comes to syscourse, we're endo friendly (pro endo, leaning neutral because we understand both sides) as we thought we were endogenic at first but with time we discovered we had a traumagenic origin and we're now mixed origins. Generally, we think the drama and in-fighting is pointless and in general rude.
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CDDs do not own the word "system". there are many definitions and hundreds of use cases for the word.
Just like the respiratory system is not the same as the political system, nondisordered endogenic systems are not the same as traumagenic CDD systems. but they are all still systems.
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Neither side of syscourse will ever "win" because it's not a game. There's no prize to be won for being the most right, the most scientifically supported, the most rationally arguing, the most logical, etc.
And we're saying this as someone who DID used to view it as a win/lose kind of thing. Especially me, Crystal. It was my whole Thing. My highest value was being Right. But there's no winning in that.
You don't even get a participation prize.
The actual winning of things that Matter, of friends and greater understanding and a community of people who truly support each other and work to make things better — that doesn't come from syscourse but from sysconversation.
Yes, there's overlap between the two.
But imho, syscourse is, at its heart, arguing. Sysconversation is discussion.
Winning an argument doesn't actually make anything better. There will always be new people who don't understand, who misunderstand, who argue based on what feels right when it's wrong. And that's on BOTH sides of syscourse.
Instead, what really helps is building. Building friendships, building community, building understanding, building resources.
And when you're focused on tearing things down — arguments, the other side, people — you're not winning anything that really matters.
If you're a singlet (someone who is not plural), I can guarantee you that you know at least one system offline. Probably, you know multiple systems.
Any of your friends or family members could be part of a system. Any of your classmates or coworkers could, too. Even your partner could be a system.
Plural systems usually do not announce our plurality. Because of the massive stigma around plurality, we try to pass as singlets. My system does this every day. My headmates have friends they've known for a decade who don't know we're plural.
It's said that dissociative disorders are very rare, but they're not. Trauma can and does happen to anyone. And many systems don't have dissociative disorders at all.
Systems are all around you. It's time to start treating us with the same respect you'd give anyone else.
I don't fw "endo neutral" mfs btw. You can't be neutral on someone's existence. How the fuck are you neutral on if someone exists or not. That's not how that works. You either think they exist or you don't it's really fucking simple.
#one side denies the existence of the other
#which requires dismissing a shit ton of cultural experiences. history. and science.
#their sources often contradict them
#they call for violence and murder
#they fakeclaim trauma and disorders if you don't agree with them
#they encourage harmful habits. harassment. misinformation.
#they make shit up. move goalposts. try to erase the contributions of others. #they throw around accusations of bigotry and pedo shit.
#they use loaded words specifically so people associate the other side with bigotry and pedo shit.
#and said other side? IS JUST TRYING TO EXIST IN PEACE.
#there's no 'neutral' here.
#if you witness violence but claim you're 'neutral'. you're not neutral. you've picked the side of the aggressor.
#you want to pretend you haven't gotten involved.
#but from the second you decided a group trying to exist in peace wasn't worth standing up for
#you chose your side.
listen I say I'm endo neutral not because I'm complicit on harassment (I still belive endogenic systems are real), but because at this point who cares. and because I see there's nuance in the situation. I said my bit, tried defending the existence of endogenic systems to anti endos, and all I got in return was harassment and death threats from antis. I'm just tired at this point
we have a delight and a hygienist! A delight is a headmate whose role is to have fun. He's really good at socialising and dinamizing activities, which is super important for our in real life job, that's Caine.
A hygienist makes sure the body is clean, and takes care of skincare and showers, that's Angel. It's funny that two fictives have such important jobs haha.
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🌙 are there any nonverbal alters in your system and/or ! 👾 do any alters in your system having typing quirks?
—sent by pkmnearth, our acc is a sideblog 😔
oh wow that was fast!
and actually, yeah, we have a nonverbal headmate! his name is Nico and he's a black fox, a literal fox. he can only make fox noises in headspace or when not fronting. when fronting, it's extremely difficult for him to talk, but sometimes he has to, because, yknow, masking. however, he has to force himself to do it.
as, for typing quirks... not really? we have different handwriting styles, and Orion types like an old man, but that's about it.
older one from a while ago when i spent all night writing a perfect script for one of our college finals and someone decided one minute before we presented that improv is our passion
Hihi! I saw some hate blogs posting system ask games. We don't stand for hate around here because everyone deserves a space for their system regardless of origin. Without further ado- here's our version uwu. Feel free to tag systems that are okay with ask games!!
-Presley
🛰-Do you have a large headcount?
👾-Do any alters in your system have typing quirks?
🚀-Does your system have any Non-human alters?
☄️-Is your system neurodivergent?
🔭-Does your system use neo Pronouns?
🌠-Do any of the alters in your system have dyed hair?
🌙-Are there any nonverbal alters in your system?
🪐-Do any in your system have any unique roles?
💫-Do your littles use 'little speech'?'
🌌-Does your system have little to no amnesia between switches
🌟-Does your system have fairly clear communication?
🌘-Do you have a large or complex headspace?
🛸-Do you have any fictives in your system? What about Factives?
👽-Does your system have any tics?
☀️-Is your system bad at masking?
✨️-Do any in your system have an accent?
🌎-Do any in your system speak in a different language?
☁️-Does your system use things like pluralkit and simply plural?
⭐️-Are you out about being a system?
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@idk who else cuz I don't know many systems to tag for this-
Your source doesn't define you, your actions here do. In context of your source, your actions might have made sense. They might not have. They might have been justified, or not at all. But here, these things didn't happen. Your guilt helps no one, not anyone you hurt or yourself. You can move on, you can do better, this is a new chance. It's alright.
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Trust is a slippery concept, and it's even more slippery when you've grown up around people that regularly hurt or betrayed you (sometimes out of true necessity; a toddler isn't going to feel non-betrayed when their parents poke them with needles regardless of whether they know that it's medically necessary). We didn't really understand how to trust people until very recently, and it's still an ongoing process for us to learn what trust means.
For fellow "do I even know what trust is, let alone how to feel it?" people, the actual, formal definition of "trust" is
"Assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something."
In other words, you know what someone is like and can rely on them to act a certain way. You can look away and have a reasonable amount of confidence that things will turn out a certain way. In context of a system, that can mean letting go and allowing others to run the ship for a little if they'd like to (because you know they won't burn the house down), believing someone when they say they need something or will get something done, and working together as a team because you know it'll be okay if you're not the sole person in control of your life.
We haven't trusted each other for most of our existence. Sure, we'd say that we trusted someone to do something, but then we'd act as though we expected them not to follow through. If you didn't put yourself first, then no one else was going to look out for you.
Every creature for themselves! Sabotage! Steal! Lie and betray! Do whatever you have to do to survive, even if it means strangling everyone else to get what you need!
This didn't do much to inspire actual trust between us.
Your relationship with the rest of your system doesn't have to be a chain of constant betrayals and injuries. Trust is a skill, and you can learn it at any time. The first step is to admit that you don't trust each other as much as you wish you could. The second step is to try.
Find patience for each other where you can, be honest about your needs, be vulnerable sometimes, and listen to your system when they ask you to stop or need you to do something. Listening to each other and respecting each other's needs and limits can make a huge difference in how much you trust each other, especially in the long term.
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A comic titled, "Do you trust me?"
For years, we used to lie and say "of course!"
"Yes," says Echo, who doesn't really "get" trust and is stuck in "care about nothing and you'll never get hurt" mode.
"Why wouldn't I?" says Gwen, who hasn't unpacked her parentification yet.
"I guess I have to," says Red, who still remembers what it was like to be rejected by everyone else.
"Then why won't you listen to me?" asks Blue.
"Because we don't actually trust anyone, let alone you!"
Only one of us was honest from the start. Hawthorne said "no" in vibes and gestures. Being trampled over and completely ignored for years (even unknowingly) doesn't make a person want to trust you. Because Hawthorne barely knew us and had no peace to keep, they had no reason to lie.
If you lie about trust, then you won't know where you stand, and you won't find out why the distrust exists so you can make changes.
"Wait, we can say no?" asks Blue. "Ok, wow then, honestly I don't think I actually trust any of you and maybe that's a problem."
It turns out that it's easier to build trust if everyone is honest.
People keep looking for answers in the wrong field, and it annoys me.
If someone is asking whether a phenomenon is a recognized mental disorder, then clinical psychology and psychiatry are the appropriate places to look. If someone is asking about a social identity, a community, a cultural phenomenon, or how people describe and understand their own experiences, then sociology, anthropology, ethnography, and related social sciences are also relevant.
For example, most people understand that alterhuman communities aren't explained by clinical zoanthropy. They're different phenomena that happen to share some superficial similarities. In a similar vein, discussions about endogenic plurality as a social or identity phenomenon aren't fully answered by literature on dissociative disorders. You will have to look at other sciences.
What frustrates me the most is when people dismiss social science sources as "not real science" simply because they aren't clinical studies. Social sciences are still sciences, and they're often the most appropriate for studying communities, identities, and cultural/spiritual/religious phenomena... Like endogenic plurality.
But... I will admit... if you're looking for the field most directly concerned with explaining the underlying mechanisms of subjective experiences... I'd probably point to psychology and cognitive science. There's just... not much there yet. What we do have are reports, interpretations, community frameworks, maybe some relevant psychological theories, and a LOT of unanswered questions.
TL;DR Different fields answer different questions, and psychology is not the only one that has things to contribute. Social science is a real science. If you're asking whether something is a disorder, clinical psychology is the most relevant. If you're asking about identities, communities, and lived experiences, social sciences are also relevant. And when it comes to endogenic plurality specifically, there is currently no widely accepted psychological or cognitive-science explanation that fully answers the questions many people are asking.
