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I’m not like. crazy in thinking that f/f relationships are criticized way more intensely than m/f or m/m (sorry, I am chiefly talking in media here) like.
you can’t have a sweet, wholesome, minimal conflict f/f relationship bc that’s “unrealistic and boring”
you can’t have a complicated, dramatic f/f relationship bc that’s “normalizing harmful behavior, which isn’t ok bc they’re both women”
you can’t have a sexual f/f relationship bc that’s “fetishistic and male gaze-y”
you can’t have a masc4femme f/f relationship bc that’s “replicating heterosexuality”
takes I rarely see when it comes to m/m relationships and never see about m/f
Increasingly disturbed by the number of posts going around from younger/“new to being femme” femmes posting about “traditional dynamics” in OFOS butch/stud-femme relationships that also talk about being housewives with provider butches. This is in fact not the traditional dynamic. In the era you are seeking to mimic, butches and studs regularly encountered significant employment discrimination (and frankly a lot of them still do in certain fields!) They were regularly out of work, so their femmes used their relative “straight passing” privilege in that era to hold down whatever working class (both office jobs and typically blue/pink collar jobs) they could find to keep things afloat. This is why it’s important to remember that our roots are in working class culture and solidarity, and why these identities are so much more than aesthetics and who we’re partnering with. They’re community based roles. We are in community to support each other.
Butch chivalry is not defined by ability to provide. OFOS femme behaviors are not based in the idea that we are meek house wives. OFOS is a dance in how we treat each other in our relationship, and it is not based on relative job/not job status.
There are butches and studs who cannot work or are underemployed who consider themselves OFOS. They are no less OFOS because they cannot “provide.”
Femmes who earn more are no less OFOS/traditional than those who are housewives. Femmes who CANNOT work, including meaningfully keeping a home as a homemaker, are also no less a traditional/OFOS femme.
My last thought here (as a 34 year old, disabled, OFOS femme in a 15 year+ relationship, who is not an elder but is experienced in being in an OFOS butch femme relationship) is that there is nothing more dangerous as a young person in these spaces than being completely dependent on one person. You need to be able to leave and take care of yourself if your partner turns out to be toxic or abusive. You need to have your own money if something happens to your partner or they leave you. Being able bodied is not inherently a permanent status for you or your partner, and you need to know how to provide for yourself (via accessible employment or access to support services) in order to ensure your own safety and future. If your “traditional” relationship actually looks like a high control situation, then that’s not OFOS, it’s financial abuse. Please take care of yourself.
*This post is about a dating/relationship subculture from lesbian/sapphic relationship contexts and should not be taken out of that specific context, especially since folks outside the community have historically talked about this dynamic imitating heterosexuality when it very much does not for pretty specific reasons. Also this user supports transfem lesbians who identify with this subculture, and this is not a terf safe post.
It's funny that "trans men will sometimes feel the societal pressure to fill the role of masculinity by leaning on misogyny and must be very aware to not do that" used to be kind of a common opinion back when I was helping run that GSA in college, and nowadays it's somehow taboo to bring up.

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People put so much into seeing Stonewall as this symbol. And at the time we just thought, ‘Oh, I guess it’s just that time of the month when cops raid the bar, so they can make their numbers for arresting fags for the month of June.’ But people get so concerned about the details. I don’t know about all the crap I’ve heard all these years. Sometimes it’s ‘Oh, someone threw a high-heel shoe.’ Sometimes it’s ‘No, gurl, it was a Molotov cocktail,’ or ‘Somebody slugged a cop.’ All I know is that night, they came in, and nobody budged. I guess we were just sick of their shit. And suddenly we were fighting, and we were kicking their ass. The cops had to back up into the bar. We had them cornered. Next thing you knew, the riot squad was there, and baby, it was on. ‘The night of Stonewall’ is how people talk about it, but it was more like a week. People want to know the little details, but what I remember most is being scared as hell. We were fighting for our lives. They’re still killing us; they’re still not giving us the respect we’re due for putting up with their shit all these years. I’m giving you the facts about how shit’s been from the beginning, and what’s gone on, how the law was in our daily lives—the facts! And so with regard to that producer lady, the whole time I just thought to myself, ‘There’s gonna be so much of me on the cutting-room floor.’
—Miss Major, from Miss Major Speaks: Conversations with a Black Trans Revolutionary
miss major passed on. what a light we’ve lost. what a responsibility she’s trusted us with. what a generation she’s closed out with her leaving. what an honor we were all alive as she was. what a life she lived. may we keep on. may we keep on
you all don’t even try to hide your transmisogyny
This is an ancient tactic to handwave feminism in all forms since the beginning of time. "I wont take this feminism stuff seriously until a man tells me how it is." What makes this exceptionally transmysoginistic is that trans women are expected to engage with this criticism like its actually about inclusivity, and not just boring ass regular laughed-out-of-the-room misogyny.
well. yes!

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Sending that femme bicep pics will save their life btw
This is true when you think about it
I still can't believe we let the broader LGBT sphere get away with "hating men means hating trans women" for so long
I mean it when I say that line is the cap on a battering ram used to decimate feminist sentiment among trans people. So many gay/trans people have wilfully bought into TERF doublespeak and started parading the line that "man = trans woman". Often they do so while believing they're doing the exact opposite, because "well, I don't think that, but everyone else does!!"
And this all took off entirely because it provided a clear in for anti-feminism to pollute trans spaces. Suddenly MRA viewpoints are feminist because "I'm defending women by defending men!" Suddenly it's more important for LGBT spaces to make room for cishet men than for trans women because that's how you prove you aren't "TERFy". Suddenly scores of young trans women are afraid to be feminists, afraid to advocate for ourselves as women, because we've been taught that feminism is inherently trans-exclusive. Because everyone who "supports" us insists that we're ultimately closer to men than to women.
The reason the renewed push for transfeminism is receiving so much aggression is because it's swinging back at an environment that's been comfortably and fully anti-feminist for too long to note. I hope we never cede an inch to that again.
"Yes, it's true: I was the type of young femme who managed the girls basketball team in high school, just to be able to take in the sight of all those butches parading their muscles up and down the court. I found Girl Scout camp to be femme heaven and reveled in being able to explore my athletic self and still maintain my femmeness. And, to my horror, I have to admit pushing Tina away from my breasts in the back seat of a Buick while attending Mount Saint Mary Seminary. And then there was feminism... Although I came out as a "gay" woman before reading The Feminine Mystique, the seventies brand of white feminism had me trimming my nails and cutting off my hair. Soon I was outfitted in farmer jeans and high tops. And still I was told by my "sisters" that I didn't "look like a dyke" (read: I didn't look butch). I began to lead two lives- one as an outrageous, skirted, lipsticked femme while I worked in and traveled with carnivals, and another as an imitation butch back home in the women's community. Eventually, I pulled the pieces of my being back together and proclaimed boldly, "I am a working-class lesbian femme." So I had maybe six years reveling in unleashing my seductive femme self when, as lives go, mine changed: slowly at first and then more dramatically. Recurring back pain and limited range of mobility were finally diagnosed. Soon after came decreased mobility. No more mountain climbing. No long mall walks in search of the perfect piece of sleaze. No more standing against kitchen walls being gloriously fucked by some handsome butch. I stopped using alcohol and drugs, became ill with what is now known as CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome), and began to use a three-wheeled power chair. The more disabled I became, the more I mourned the ways my sexual femme self had manifested through the nondisabled me: cruising at the local lezzie bar, picking up a dyke whose eyes refuse to stray from mine, dancing seductively, moving all of me for all of her. Cooking: love and suggestion neatly tucked into the folds of a broccoli quiche. Serving my date in varying, sleazy clothing, removing layers as the meal and our passion progressed. And making love... feeling only pleasure as my hips rose and fell under the weight of her. Accomplishment and pride smirked across my face as her wrists finally submitted to the pressure of strong persistent hands. There are the ways I knew to be femme, to be the essence of me.
It's been five years now since I began using my wheelchair. I am just awakening to a new reclamation of femme. Yes. I still grieve the way I was, am still often unsure how this femme with disabilities will act out her seduction scenes. I still marvel when women find passion amidst the chrome and rubber that is now a part of me.
There have been numerous dates, lovers, relationships, sexual partners, and fliterations along the way. Cindy, Jenny, Ellie, Emma, Diane, Dorothy, Gail, June, Clove, Lenny, Cherry, Diana, Sarah I, and Sarah II. You have all reminded me in your own subtle or overt, quit or wild ways that I am desirable, passionate, exciting, wanted.
Yes I am an incredibly sexual being. An outrageous, loud mouthed femme who's learning to dress, dance, cook, and seduce on wheels; finding new ways to be gloriously fucked by handsome butches and aggressive femmes. I hang out with more sexual outlaws now- you know, the motorcycle lesbians who see wheels and chrome between your legs as something exciting, the leather women whose vision of passion and sexuality doesn't exclude fat, disabled me.
Ableism tells us that lesbians with disability are asexual. (When was the last time you dated a dyke who uses a wheelchair?) Fat oppression insists that thin is in and round is repulsive. At times, these voices become very loud, and my femme, she hid quietly amidts the lists.
Now my femme is rising again. The time of doubt, fear, and retreat has passed. I have found my way out of the lies and oppression and have moved into a space of loving and honoring the new femme who has emerged. This lesbian femme with disabilities is wise, wild, wet, and wanting. Watch out.
-"Reclaiming femme... Yet again" Mary Francis Platt, The Persistent Desire (Edited by Joan Nestle) (1992)
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