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Hellooooo poking you again because my curiosity is insatiable
I have been consuming your Slumbering Prince Ford content with great delight and now my brain is buzzing abt it :333
How long does Ford stay in the dream?? I mean mostly in reality though how long past the 30 years recreation time in his time??
What happens with the rescue attempt? Is Ford still in the dream when his family comes? Do they find him still just knocked the fuck out and do they take him off like still sleeping? Does he remain in the dream as long as Bill wants him to?? Could be kinda fun if they use the mindscape spell to enter and try and break him out if so or something or other >:33 imagine seeing your whimsical puppet self. Mabel land 2.0β¦.
I really like pissed off βawakenedβ Ford whoβs like. Bitch what. But the fact heβs still in after being awakened does make me curious how he can theoretically get out / what actually is enough to wake him full time.
And the whole throne is in the dream?? Thatβs so sick. How does one even begin to navigate that?? Seriously so cool hehehe I really like the aesthetic of the whole thing >:33
GLAD YOU LIKE IT im so glad i took the chnace to just be super awesome self indulgent and fun with an au like i should've it's been fun π now let me consult my google doc....
in reality i want to say this takes place when bill would normally be electrocuting ford, so like..... a few hours??? or more??? which is really going to be crazy for him when he proerly wake sup. holy whiplash. 30years fo fake memroies p+ the 30 real ones and layering each one over each other like which parts are common with each other? what seed of truth did bill use to base his lie on? as for in the dream..... well. hehehe. im 8k words into the fic (but have been slacking on it) and i was gonna have him there for a while even after he 'gfains awareness' because. well. he's gotta figure a way to PROPERLY get out, you know? so as of now its up in the airrrr
you're spot on they DO find him passed the fuck out LMAOOOO. and as i said before im still writing a possible fic but it's not like 100% planned so the idea of the having to break in and do a sidequest before saving the waking world for real... shitttt.... you're onto something.... (taking notes). originally i was gonna have ford have to figure a way out himself but this... smiles... this is a good thought. dipper would fight his own puppet-self like how he really hates dippy fresh i think. but the puppet is less like dippy fresh so maybe dipper hates him a little less
(i'm split between wanting to explain and also be like YESSS at these ideas but at the same time im like. does this trechnically count as spoiling my own au??? LMAOOO but no no i do want to talk about it sooo like...)
and tahnk you!!! yes ford is so pissed man. like he's stuck is starry whimsy land while there are real problem's he has to worry about out there AND he can't seem to wake up like usual. let him out!!!as for what it would take to wake him. well. we will have to wait and see :) <- voice of a guy who actually hasn't trhought of it yet. yes im so well planned what are you talking about.
ADN YEAH i felt so "eureka!" when i thought of it because like. bill's like "thit's not like they have anyting better to do... might as well use them to populate the dream for reaslism!!!" which si why he's so annoyed that he hasn't gotten any of his most relevant figures and that they're all hiding out. it's like not having a rare collectible almost. AND TY AGAIN EHHEHEHE the aesthetic is a product of my own self indulgence... me when dreamy whimsy as an overlay for the horror of being trapped in a play-pretend world....
EHEHEHE effervescent.,β¦ consult the ancient tomes!!! I really enjoy this >:3 <333
Oh boy thatβs gonna be crazy for him πππ his whole life and the double and itβs like. Reality from memory?? Sometimes in my dreams my brain will make up fake past memories and Iβll be confused if they actually happened when I wake up. Likeβ¦ did I go on that trip with my family?! Memory is not such a stable concept as we like to believe and even with no magic itβs very easy to implant fake memories in someoneβs mind :,)
Stan standing over Ford like βoh great my brotherβs in a fuckass coma and shaking him isnβt workingβ ISHEDEAD?!?β no okay. Fine I gotta carry him princess style ig >:/β
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Happy to provide my services (asking way too many fuckign quesions)
Bwahaha no worries I shall not ask spoilers if you have a work in progress >:333 I get the want to talk abt it tho bc likeβ¦ sometimes Iβll get a comment on a fic chapter and be physically fighting back an βWELL INTERESTINGLY ENOUGHββ HFHDHDJF
Man imagine the world is ending outside and youβre stuck in princess whimsy land ππ does Bill try and get him back βasleepβ after he βwakesβ within his dream?? Could imagine the puppet town being kinda scary mabel-land coreβ¦,.. like a whimsical zombie apocalypse
HDHSJDHDHF rare collectibles ππ
Self indulgence rules because oftentimes stuff thatβs indulgent to you is often indulgent to the people who like the same things you do. Weβre all at the Devilβs sacrament and holding hands and dancing in a circle >:3
YES YEE GREAT WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT we are all at the devil's sacrament together... just know I'll think of this if i ever get nervous to self indulge again thanks
YEP YEP YEP memories and dreams man... i was writing for this au and then i had a giggle to myself becsuse like. One brother with false extra memories and one who gets memory wiped. Wow. *flame text* THE MEMORY BROTHERS!!!!
You are incredibly right it IS like a whimsical zombie apocalypse. Which i love. Because why have normal gritty serious version of any trope when you can have the awesome sickeningly sweet whimsical version yay!!!! (<-lighthearted) Bill probably would try stop him but only if he was checking up on him enough to figure out that he has. Which is ehhh kind of often but also i think it would be harder to to put him back under once he realises so who KNOWS if he'll even try going that route. Hell maybe ford's eventual self-awareness happens when bill is like. Busy partying to fighting the shacktron or something like that, which is lrobabaly only a few hours for bill but maybe week or more for ford??? Who knows... maybe that's enough time for him inside his own head...
Ehehehehe Iβm so glad >:333
THE MEMORY BROTHERS love that HFHSHDJHDF between them they have 1 (one) coherent understanding of reality but who knows how often it lines up. Ford on the boat like: hey remember when [xyz] happened? And Stan is like: ??? No??? And then they have joy of joys time pondering if thatβs an Oopsie on Ford OR Stanβs part.
So many options that can be explored with that ππ like they could have a βfightβ in the dream realm when Ford is aware and Bill is trying to unaware him then he gets called back for the Shacktron fight and that leaves Ford going (haunted expression) something just happened.,,.,. (Squints suspiciously) and then he has to wait like. 3 weeks to figure out what (if you include like family/figuring out how to exit time) HFFHDJDHDJF. On the other hand, him just sitting there pissed off for like a month or two in in-dream time going βOH GREAT HE PUTS ME INTO THIS HELL THEN HE DOESNβT EVEN HAVE THE DECENCY TO SHOW HIS BITCH ASSβ or even like Pines walking in and Bill is like omgggg not now Iβm trying to manifest into your Grunkleβs dreams rn heβs being such a bitchhhhh hddhhdhdhfd
Thereβs so many ways one can commit to the bit and I think thatβs beautifulβ¦.
What are the other townspeople like in there?? Are they all just whimsically La dee daaing? Are they playing out roles? Are they kinda brain empty?? And does their behaviour towards him shift at all when heβs awake or are they just like :333 hi Prince guy ?
THEIR MEMORIES BRUH HGAHGSDJSGDHJA yeah "which one of us is wrong?" you tell me man. you tell me.
AND YES YE SO MANY OPTIONS bill goes "hold on---ugh wait i need to do something" and he just. disapears mid-argument. yeah sorry he's got things to deal with in the waking world. I'VE GOT PLENTY TO WORK WITH FOR HOW I DO THIS GHGHSGHS....
honestly for the rest of the townspeople... i haven't thought of them too much but i did entertain the thought that they're moreso like ford when in his unaware state and just taking to all in stride. im sure ford could take a shot at shaking a few of them out of it if he tried, but who knows if it'd work, anyways? besides, I feel like he thinks he's a solo mission sort of guy... "hmph... i have to break out of this myself...!" type shit
HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
YIPPEEE πβ¨πβ¨ HELLOOO ππ
Awww man ππ Ford thought Bill killed his own children just out of spite bc they were also Fordβs?? Thatβs messseddd upppp but also it makes sense for what we all know of Bill but OUGHHH that adds like 7 layers to the vendetta hellhole that is their relationship what the heckkkkk??
HDHSJHDF I noticed they called him Pa on the art and I was like *haunted faraway look* hooooohhhh that has complicated emotions attached. I can only imagine for Stan that would also be like the equivalent of throwing a live grenade at him upon meeting. Especially with how he recoils at any comparisons to how he looks like his dad in the show.
Hehehehehe yessss >:3333
Honestly I think calling them Aunt / Uncle would be hilarious for the twins. It does happen sometimes! I have relatives who are siblings and one is like 20+ years older than the other. But I feel like maybe itβs something they could play for the bit πππ
Awwhhhh ππ I feel so bad for them and their reunion going wrong but plssss kiddos donβt be mad your father has megaparanoia π₯Ίπ₯Ί he only reacted like that BECAUSE he cares enough about you to think someone would trick him to hurt him.,,.,.. ougghhh
Then thereβs the mortifying ordeal of βmy father has gone through literal hell for 30 years, now heβs very old and also very murderous (possibly, depending on how you write Ford)β and thatβs itβs whole own adaptation.
Important!! Does Weirdmageddon happen in this universe?? How does it get changed by the kiddosβ presence??? I gotta knowwww >:33
It is SOOOO fucked it brings a whole new level of "Karen took the kids" to this but instead Karen just snatched the kids to magic land and lied and said he obliterated them because they're just bargaining chips in the end #watdafuck. Bill was talking out of his ass there he just needed to keep ragebaiting ford meanwhile he's got snatched-up little starlings like "aw man when do we get to go back" "yo when do we get earth time again" "IN A MINUTE!!!" But also I am seeing a potential in an almost-comical "you lying FUCKER 'i killed the kids' my ASS they are right here!!!"
And yes yes YUEAGHHH i cannot believe i've only considered the implications of that now wat the heck. Man. MAN. Literally had Nova since 2024 and didn't even connect the dots once smh.... but oh well because yay i get to think of it now. Live grenade description is correct I'm giggling,..,., im imagining a world where someday pa turns into 'pops,' or 'my old man' in both an ironic way but also in a really cartoon classic way. Also because my sister says 'pops' sometimes and it makes me laugh. Pops feels so teenage children in a cartoon who are going out to rebel to me
God them being aunts ans uncle would be so funny if teithe rof them were called that it would be like "DONT... THAT MAKES US SOUND SO OLD EW EW EWWWWW" ok remind HOW long you were gone again....
Ans yes the time dilation and their less-than-pleasant first reunion in a long time is so fucked wdym their dad is that old now.... "wdym we missed that much.... MAN. MAN!!! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOO WE MISSED SO MUCH WE LOST SO MUCH TIME!!! AHHH!!!! And he still has whimsy sure but now. Alsoa haunted look in his eye... what the helly..."
Now i gotta say Weirdmageddon absolutely DOES happen and lucky for me i DID have a comic for it... i gotta get more creative about how their presence can change plot but so far Nik and Nova have been more additive and layered on top like out of place stickers if you get what i mean. Anyways that old comic was bill trying to convince nova to go team evil so that they can have an awesome happy (evil) family if he shoehorns ford into it to and shes like "what sre you ON about?!" In the case of a Nik-inclusive canon this could involve either just nova again or the both of them because i think bill actually does not mind these two in the sense that they could be an extension of a goal and also have a little bit of him in there so surely they've gotta be at least 50% cool and awesome like him, right? (And dont even get me STARTED on the implications of making more of you, the last of a dead universe.... fuckkk why was 2024 me not considering any of this cool stuff. I gotta rewrite and reconsider even more wowowow....) Nova's picked up more dream demon-ish-ness and Nik's got a joyous and whimsical heart so surely he can work with this. Right. Right??? Ford is stingy but these guys are a little bit ford and a little bit him! So he's got better chances here, right...?
Hehehehehe
Do you think Ford would mention the whole βuh yeah your father told me he fucking killed you both btw so ??? Or is that something theyβd have to figure out in their own time later?? What would you even think about that??
Like sure the reunion is rocky but then you learn your dad has been grieving you for 30+ years and you just rocked up in his house directly after the most emotionally loaded 10 minutes of his life HFHDJFHJDG
And itβs like oh great now our father is haunted now [throws hands in the air] and heβs old as fuck!!! Wonder if thereβs any magical or science bullshittery they can do to get some more time on that front ?? Hmm.
Okay okay so Iβm gonna go feral abt weirdmageddon. On the Ford front - how the hell does this go??
Does Bill still capture him at the start? Are Nova and Nikola with him and Dipper or are they off somewhere ?? Does Ford still trophy him or is he more waxing poetic about family??
I could see Bill going either way on the βproceed as usual, unfreeze the old man when he has use and then try and torture him for the equationβ direction - which, lots of potential for the N twins there bc one of your dads is torturing the other one (and where are they? In the fearamid just hanging around? Or does he keep them there in βtime outβ?)
Then I could also see him going the other way and trying to gather the family up and using the twisted concept of a nuclear family image to try and goad Ford into joining him like. Just sitting around a dinner table with one dad chained down like βisnβt this so nice :))) donβt you wanna be a family againβ and it could be all sick and all appearances and junk.
HFHDHDJDHD so many fun things can be done with this scenario I wanna dissect and eat them alllllllll!!!
GHGHGH YES its my outlandish and goofy scenario.... my ocs which stir the drama....
I feel like at some point if they sit down about it Ford's gonna be like "yeah.... so I was under that impression because he literally told me so... sigh...." and they will be like WHAT. WHAT. I mean they were alr kind of pissed at him for being both deadbeat and also tormenting the rest of their family but this is the cherry on top i feel. and yes it's a very thousand yard stare moment for them like "oh this is serious..."
On that note my current explanation for how this works right now is that if they appear in a bill-featured episode that lies BEFORRE NWHS, I need a way for them to not immediately be exposed for him being their terrible terrible dad right off the bat because i want to save the reveal. so, my current band-aid solution: he lowkey doesn't recognise them at first if/when they come face to face. The last time he left them in that slowed-time dreamworld they were cutesy little stars, and so when he sees these human teenagers he's like "hm.... I feel like I'm forgetting something... actually I wonder how the kids are doing I forgot to take them out fo 'babysitting time' haha whoops...." Bro πIf it hits him the second time around then I'm probably going to employ the method of "cartoonishly goofy-yet-convenient ways of shutting him up," hushed conversations in short cutscenes when others are out of earshot, and maybe if at most dire everyone else goes "what was that supposed to mean" and then the two fo them play dumb like "yeah I don't know either... this guy sounds crazy...." They are doing a whole new LEVEL of pretending you don't know your parents because they're embarrassing you. this is "pretending to not know your dad because he's embarrassingly evil" they are JUST like movie lloyd garmadon. almost.
MAGIC OR SCIENCE BULLSHITTERY.... you're onto something there...
WEIRDMAGEDDON!!!! Or, their version of an incredibly terrible horrible no-good family reunion thanksgiving dinner. because Nx2have each other I am more leaning towards wanting to pair them up in some other seperate location to keep things tense... smaller little survival groups scattered throughout yk. bill probably picks up up from there like "heyo, starlings!" and then they yell and complain as he does the equivalent of picking them up by the scruff and putting them in the car
I want to say bill still trophies ford, but with his sales pitch for world domination having a little bit more of a 'family' spin on it. which. actually bill is totally rubbing his hands evilly at this like "oh you care about FAMILY.... then why not have OURS??? like our super cool evil one??? like who cares about the other ones they're boringggggg" and ford goes "you're SICK!!!!!" and bill sighs like "ok fine whatever. i bet the kids will like my idea more hmph!!!" and then chains him up and takes him out of the penthouse suite to bring the kids in instead. because at the end of it all. well. i think bill really really really wants ford to want what he wants and be on his side. but he isn't.
so then he gives Nx2 his whole sales pitch. and no they don't like it either. sorry billy. the imagery of a fucked up dinner table scene is AMAZING though I really like that.... i like it when surburban nuclear family 'normal normal we are so normal and default' aesthetics and themes are coupled with the horror of being more of a mimicked dollhouse rather than anything with an actual heart behind it.... it is very cool and also would make a great drawing actually. will think about that thank you....
HDHHSJDHDF ππ imagine one of your parents telling the other that they killed you how do you even go on from there. At least it explains Ford highkey freaking out at reunion time πππ It is a good way for them to learn the stakes tho highkey like ohhh this is SERIOUS
ALSO is this a Ford who comes back from the multiverse heavily scarred?? Is that something the Ns end up seeing and How/When at all and if soβ¦ howβs that go for them π Likewise the paternal instinct of βwhat the fuck do you MEAN he put you in a dream for 30 yearsβ π€ Team βFather ruined our lives for 3 decadesβ highkey
Lloyd Garmadon comparisons are absolute gold btw ππ which I have it on good authority that you should buyβ¦ to be fair Bill forgot about them for all of 30 years whatβs a couple months more huh. They even look a bit older than before and also like heβs got other things on the mind..,.,,. But oh boy that sims - - ticker just keeps going down ππ the fumbler of all timeβ¦
Unrelated Starlings is such a cute nickname ππ Iβve seen some people have Bill refer to Ford as βMy Starβ and other such things - does Ford get a space nickname or does that only get applied to good scientists who let me into their dimension HFHJDHF
Weirdmaggeddon time is so fun because imagine like awkwardly avoiding your cringe ass dad when he like. Owns the world (highkey) atm. Like oofff thatβs so embarrassing. Like theyβre getting Scruffed and itβs like guyyssss donβt read into this okayyyy
HDHDHSJHFF okay but imagine from the Kids perspective your evil dad kidnaps you and takes you to the worst house ever (gaudy and 90% of it has no furnitureβ¦) and tries to get you on side (no obviously wtf) and then heβs apparently collared and chained your other dad and youβre just side eyeing him like. Okayyy. Well. That. Iβm not reading into that.
HDHSJDHF Glad you like the concept eheh <33 the facade of a family moment,,..,., ohhh the symbolism..,.
ALSO did Ford mentionβ¦ the whole Bill thing to Stan?? Cause in canon he doesnβt and Stan doesnβt technically know immediately whose kids these are (I assume). Does. Does he know before the rescue or does he walk in on evil family time and is like. Um. Ford why is the demon taking over the world playing house with you. What the fuck do you mean you had children with the thing Ford. (Because in canon Ford doesnβt mention his partnership with Bill to Stan AT ALL ππ does the metaphorical smoking gun change that or does he employ the same strat of Nx2 and just be like. Triangle?? Never met him.)
YEAH IMAGINE BEING THEM BRAH... god this is so funny im giggling. like yeah i guess this is really crazy. but it gets so crazy that it's to the point where Im just laughing now because there is no way this keeps happening to you guys... man.
honestly yeah ford would be scarred the hell up LOOK AT HIM BRO HE WAS A SPACE ADVENTURER!!!! i have an older oneshot of them where nik goes "well, you heard his story. maybe he's a really rugged space pirate now and that's why he was so... yeah." this would just corroborate that for him tbh. but still. man. this feels like what people mean when they say 'dad lore' but to an ultimate degree. "yeah my dad was lost in the multiverse for 30 years what about you." and yes yes ford is so annoyed because wdym he lied and said they were dead, AND was somehow still deadbeat by just leaving them somewhere else for 30 years. like if you're going to steal the kids at least take care of them??? hello???
BUT YES YES BIL IS A #FUMBLER ITS SOMETHING HE'S SO GOOD AT. he just forgor bro. like oh ok you took us just to forget where you left us. ok.
AND TY ON THE NICKNAME FRONT GEWHGEHGEGHJE and while you're mentioning it do not get me STARTED on the "my star" thing. i have a very special place in my heart for ford as his star because historically in past fandoms i have been in i have built up such an attachment to stars as affection and as a signifiant story thing.. guhhhmy irl friends know the context behind this (2 years of pjsk obsession and also other stuff.) BUT BACK TO THE TOPIC. back whern nova was an only child (when i first made her) she was occassionally "baby star" and "supernova" because haha stars.. looking at stars... bill cipher looking at stars... but since i've made both their shapey forms stars bill really just does remember them as little stars. sadly for this reason ford probabaly doesnt get a fun space related nickname but mayb MAYBE "my star" can make it in there in their version of canon... on rare occassions...
AND YES WEIRDMAGEDDON SI HILARIOUS this is their equivalent to like. your parent being a teacher at your school or something. but worse. they never get any normal teenage experiences its just "UGH dad stop trying to take over the world.... it's embarassing!!!" AND THE HOUSE IS TERRIBLE YOU'RE SO RIGHT GHGHGGHHS bill cant get SHIT they dont like his plans and they dont like his house. they win worst family dinner or something
STAN. STANNNNN. oh my goodness. i am very subscribed to the idea that he eventually explains some of it while they're on their sailing trip but then that leaves weirdmageddon... yeha i dont thinhk stan would get that particular tidbit of knowledge uness he really did walk in on the worst family dinner ever. which is hilarious and i will be imagining it. "it's NOT what it looks like" are we sure?
"what do you MEAN you had kids with that thing" "well---it's not like a having kids, per se---bill mostly 'summoned' them---made them?---it was a whole thing---" "really now?"
HDHSJHFF sometimes in life the situation some guys find themselves in reaches critical levels of bullshittery. One must have a giggle⦠this is the weirdest way to come out as gay to your estranged twin and the weirdest way to learn your parents got divorced.
ππ took the kids full on out of spite. Took them just to neglect them. Fatherhood 100. Fordβs dad lore is insane like sighhh this reminds me of the time I got vivisected :/ and theyβre just like WHAT. Or ugh Bill is so evil and obsessive I remember he put a Galaxy up for a bounty on my head :// or even yeah I used to cheat in the gambling dimension for fun then the time cops started trying to murder me on sight so I only went there if I really needed cash after that ://
Canβt even be surprised Bill is a fumbler tbh he literally has no swag the only reason his cringefail self was able to bag a dude like Ford is because he used manipulation tactic 101 and lied a bunch (or maybe got a little TOO truthful) but bro was not ready for fatherhood. Tbh I donβt know if Ford was either. Itβs really funny that both of them (and Stan) are associated with the βitβs optional to grow upβ phrase canonically and Bill describes Fordβs mind as βhalf that of a genius and the other half is stuck at 18β and Mabel tells Stan and Ford that they βkinda still are kidsβ. Like. Neither of these men are emotionally mature enough to raise a young life lmfao.
Auuuughhh see space nicknames with Bill hit so hard because itβs the whole Euclydia thing. That he loved the stars so much and wanted to show everyone them so badly that he accidentally killed his entire dimension.,..,..,. Ooougghggh star nicknames from Bill just have 10x impact to me because itβs like on the outside/to observers itβs just like oh yeah cosmic deity star nickname that makes sense but to Bill thatβs legit just. The most valuable / treasured thing he can refer to you as. Star shapey forms is so cute ππ
Speaking of, how to Nova and Nikola age? At the same rate as humans? Faster? Slower? Are they immortal like dad1, do they live longer/shorter than an ordinary human, or same lifespan as dad2? And how does a family..,.., navigate these differences. I can imagine Weirdmageddon Bill would just be like βwell it doesnβt matter since I control time itself I can just keep everyone exactly how I want them forever :)β but like outside of thatβ¦ man thereβs a lot of O-O itβs like poking a nest of hornets bwahahah
Bill is so bad at everything πππ does he get a complex about it or go >:( no. It is clearly the family who are wrongβ¦.
Do the kids end up getting chained down like their Pa or is Bill like eh theyβre not as good at escaping / directly relevant as Ford is. Idgaf.
God imagine Stan walking into the worst family dinner ever though ππ FORD IVE COME TO RESCUE YOUβ- / sees his twin brother chained down with just his head in his hands whilst Bill tries to βhoney, sweetie, darlingβ him and two kids are sitting there cringing and itβs like pass the salt please and itβs like. The food is inedible. Probably.
Does Bill consider him and Ford married? I know the βfrom now til the end of timeβ thing is kinda. Wedding vows esque. I could see him trying to spin that angle during Weirdmageddon at least. Iβm always a fan of βmarriedβ Ford getting the double wedding rings since he has 2 ring fingers lmao. Bill just getting up to bullshittery is really funny to me JDHSHF
Either that or Ford is just his βbaby daddyβ which is an awful phrase to associate with him tbh JFHSHDKHF
Ford tries to justify parenthood speedrun. βHOW DO YOU EVEN DO IT WITH THAT THING?!-β βI DIDNT! (not for them anyway)β βPARDON?!β βNOT RELEVANTβ
ABSOLUTELY YES YES YES crazy dad lore... crazy goofy moments... Nx2 are that one "divorce leads children to terrible places" meme with the kid in the middle over a cliff or something... i dont have the image but i hope that description was enough
And yeah. Your embarassing dads who are like the worst people for this probably </3 not only are they cringe but they are so bad at this. The true tragedy of Nik and Nova </3
AND YES TO THE SPACE THING star/space nicknames wih extra weight behind them.... aughhh. It gets me man. Gutpunch
AGES.... LAUGHS NERVOUSLY.... i considered it ONCE and then decided to shelve it for later because. Wow. How much more am i gonna hurt them??? Imagine they outlive even more of their family and any friends either of them makes... man... MAN...
MOVING ON bill's got the whole family flipping him off but yeah he is really goods at convincing himself of things methinks. "No THEYRE wrong they just dont understand interior design!! Hmph!!" Crossing his arms "why cant we be a nice happy family" you know why.
Now see I wouldnt want to chain up the poor kids... but would bill? Well honestly i like the idea he doesnt take them seriously and just tells the henchies "yo let me know if they wander off" so that when one goes "hey those kids you brought in are trying to escape again" he just teleports there, picks them up, and then does NOT take their attempts all that seriously. "Haha nice try you two! Now back into the penthouse you go!" Nova especially is miffed at this . Like i guess it's a good thing they arent REALLY super trapped but at the same time damn youre not even going to take their escape attempts as serious threats? They worked hard on those!
Bill's doing a terrible 50s surburban family parody with them it's gotta be the most awwkard thing stan has ever seen LMAOOOO. Also remembering that stan didnt even WANT to go back for ford at first so imagine not wanting to go and then being stuck with this scenario </3 Bill doesn't even like the family picturesque scenario I think he's just doing it for the bit π
End of time is SO wedding vows esque but also once i again i dont even think bill gives a fuck about family structures or weddings except for maybe the dramatics and just for fun. Because weddings are still parties a little bit. He'll just play into whatever bits he's got and sometimes ya gotta play up the (literal) trophy wife angle... like pspspsps come on say yes... (ford is NOT saying yes bruh)
KSJSGSJJH baby daddy ford is KILLING me and now i will remember that thanks. Baby daddy.... π
HDHSHJSHSF the underneath of the cliff is Weirdmageddon FHDJFHDJ honestly I think them ending up with both Stan twins as caretakers is for the best they form like one functional caretaker between the two of them (on a good day at least)
Eheheh groovy space nonsense my beloved <333 wonder if one can read into the fact that a Supernova is the death of a star,β¦
Bwahaha I do not see it I am looking away.,,.
I like to imagine both kids use their six fingered hand to do the signature double flip off.
Someone get the fumbler on that one TV show where they interior design shitty houses I feel like the attention is the only way people could get him to let them fix that whole mess. Black walls and black floors makes a space look so much darker and smaller smh.
βWhy canβt we be a happy familyβ -man actively holding said family hostage. HFHSHDJHDF thatβs sucks so bad for the kids like heβs not even taking them seriously. Heβs just being weird with their other dad. I assume they wouldnβt wanna leave Ford behind? Would Nova (and Nikola?) be able to influence Billβs magic at all? Since itβs the same stuff would they be able to like. Destroy the chains, or is it the case that like Billβs is way stronger so on they stay arp.
(Silliness when I read that:
Stan: (breaks down the door)
Bill: oh great itβs the in-laws π (sitcom laugh track)
Ford: just kill me
Stan: why is there a picket fence house and a HOA in here.
Ford: I donβt even know where he got those guys
HOA: your lawn is too long )
HFHSHDJHDF idk why I felt the need to write that out.
Another sillies: Weirdmageddon wedding party core but itβs just the most exaggerated parts of a regular one. Itβs raining cake. EVERYONE is in white. Theyβre breaking so much glass. Everyone is getting piss drunk. Thereβs a DJ. He mashes together a bunch of different cultural customs. He gets the braided knot thing a couple ties around their wrist to symbolise union but heβs just handcuffing his arm to Fordβs. Walking down the aisle is just him parading him across the town.
YES YES HGAHAGHSGHS tysm for all of this... this is basically free drawing ideas for me once i get out of the artfight trenches......
supoernova being a death of a star is GRIM and ironic... guhughgh... my poor twin stars </3 and yeaghhhh they dont wan tto leave ford behind. not when they just all reunited! out fo the two of them nova is better at demon-power-stuffs (a fact she's not entirely fond of considering it makes her moresimilar to their cringefailure world domniator father,) but overall I'm not sure it would be enough to rival bill entirely. rip
THE WEDDING π absolutely giggling yeahhhh. he would do that for the bit
Hellooooo poking you again because my curiosity is insatiable
I have been consuming your Slumbering Prince Ford content with great delight and now my brain is buzzing abt it :333
How long does Ford stay in the dream?? I mean mostly in reality though how long past the 30 years recreation time in his time??
What happens with the rescue attempt? Is Ford still in the dream when his family comes? Do they find him still just knocked the fuck out and do they take him off like still sleeping? Does he remain in the dream as long as Bill wants him to?? Could be kinda fun if they use the mindscape spell to enter and try and break him out if so or something or other >:33 imagine seeing your whimsical puppet self. Mabel land 2.0β¦.
I really like pissed off βawakenedβ Ford whoβs like. Bitch what. But the fact heβs still in after being awakened does make me curious how he can theoretically get out / what actually is enough to wake him full time.
And the whole throne is in the dream?? Thatβs so sick. How does one even begin to navigate that?? Seriously so cool hehehe I really like the aesthetic of the whole thing >:33
GLAD YOU LIKE IT im so glad i took the chnace to just be super awesome self indulgent and fun with an au like i should've it's been fun π now let me consult my google doc....
in reality i want to say this takes place when bill would normally be electrocuting ford, so like..... a few hours??? or more??? which is really going to be crazy for him when he proerly wake sup. holy whiplash. 30years fo fake memroies p+ the 30 real ones and layering each one over each other like which parts are common with each other? what seed of truth did bill use to base his lie on? as for in the dream..... well. hehehe. im 8k words into the fic (but have been slacking on it) and i was gonna have him there for a while even after he 'gfains awareness' because. well. he's gotta figure a way to PROPERLY get out, you know? so as of now its up in the airrrr
you're spot on they DO find him passed the fuck out LMAOOOO. and as i said before im still writing a possible fic but it's not like 100% planned so the idea of the having to break in and do a sidequest before saving the waking world for real... shitttt.... you're onto something.... (taking notes). originally i was gonna have ford have to figure a way out himself but this... smiles... this is a good thought. dipper would fight his own puppet-self like how he really hates dippy fresh i think. but the puppet is less like dippy fresh so maybe dipper hates him a little less
(i'm split between wanting to explain and also be like YESSS at these ideas but at the same time im like. does this trechnically count as spoiling my own au??? LMAOOO but no no i do want to talk about it sooo like...)
and tahnk you!!! yes ford is so pissed man. like he's stuck is starry whimsy land while there are real problem's he has to worry about out there AND he can't seem to wake up like usual. let him out!!!as for what it would take to wake him. well. we will have to wait and see :) <- voice of a guy who actually hasn't trhought of it yet. yes im so well planned what are you talking about.
ADN YEAH i felt so "eureka!" when i thought of it because like. bill's like "thit's not like they have anyting better to do... might as well use them to populate the dream for reaslism!!!" which si why he's so annoyed that he hasn't gotten any of his most relevant figures and that they're all hiding out. it's like not having a rare collectible almost. AND TY AGAIN EHHEHEHE the aesthetic is a product of my own self indulgence... me when dreamy whimsy as an overlay for the horror of being trapped in a play-pretend world....
EHEHEHE effervescent.,β¦ consult the ancient tomes!!! I really enjoy this >:3 <333
Oh boy thatβs gonna be crazy for him πππ his whole life and the double and itβs like. Reality from memory?? Sometimes in my dreams my brain will make up fake past memories and Iβll be confused if they actually happened when I wake up. Likeβ¦ did I go on that trip with my family?! Memory is not such a stable concept as we like to believe and even with no magic itβs very easy to implant fake memories in someoneβs mind :,)
Stan standing over Ford like βoh great my brotherβs in a fuckass coma and shaking him isnβt workingβ ISHEDEAD?!?β no okay. Fine I gotta carry him princess style ig >:/β
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Happy to provide my services (asking way too many fuckign quesions)
Bwahaha no worries I shall not ask spoilers if you have a work in progress >:333 I get the want to talk abt it tho bc likeβ¦ sometimes Iβll get a comment on a fic chapter and be physically fighting back an βWELL INTERESTINGLY ENOUGHββ HFHDHDJF
Man imagine the world is ending outside and youβre stuck in princess whimsy land ππ does Bill try and get him back βasleepβ after he βwakesβ within his dream?? Could imagine the puppet town being kinda scary mabel-land coreβ¦,.. like a whimsical zombie apocalypse
HDHSJDHDHF rare collectibles ππ
Self indulgence rules because oftentimes stuff thatβs indulgent to you is often indulgent to the people who like the same things you do. Weβre all at the Devilβs sacrament and holding hands and dancing in a circle >:3
YES YEE GREAT WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT we are all at the devil's sacrament together... just know I'll think of this if i ever get nervous to self indulge again thanks
YEP YEP YEP memories and dreams man... i was writing for this au and then i had a giggle to myself becsuse like. One brother with false extra memories and one who gets memory wiped. Wow. *flame text* THE MEMORY BROTHERS!!!!
You are incredibly right it IS like a whimsical zombie apocalypse. Which i love. Because why have normal gritty serious version of any trope when you can have the awesome sickeningly sweet whimsical version yay!!!! (<-lighthearted) Bill probably would try stop him but only if he was checking up on him enough to figure out that he has. Which is ehhh kind of often but also i think it would be harder to to put him back under once he realises so who KNOWS if he'll even try going that route. Hell maybe ford's eventual self-awareness happens when bill is like. Busy partying to fighting the shacktron or something like that, which is lrobabaly only a few hours for bill but maybe week or more for ford??? Who knows... maybe that's enough time for him inside his own head...

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HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
YIPPEEE πβ¨πβ¨ HELLOOO ππ
Awww man ππ Ford thought Bill killed his own children just out of spite bc they were also Fordβs?? Thatβs messseddd upppp but also it makes sense for what we all know of Bill but OUGHHH that adds like 7 layers to the vendetta hellhole that is their relationship what the heckkkkk??
HDHSJHDF I noticed they called him Pa on the art and I was like *haunted faraway look* hooooohhhh that has complicated emotions attached. I can only imagine for Stan that would also be like the equivalent of throwing a live grenade at him upon meeting. Especially with how he recoils at any comparisons to how he looks like his dad in the show.
Hehehehehe yessss >:3333
Honestly I think calling them Aunt / Uncle would be hilarious for the twins. It does happen sometimes! I have relatives who are siblings and one is like 20+ years older than the other. But I feel like maybe itβs something they could play for the bit πππ
Awwhhhh ππ I feel so bad for them and their reunion going wrong but plssss kiddos donβt be mad your father has megaparanoia π₯Ίπ₯Ί he only reacted like that BECAUSE he cares enough about you to think someone would trick him to hurt him.,,.,.. ougghhh
Then thereβs the mortifying ordeal of βmy father has gone through literal hell for 30 years, now heβs very old and also very murderous (possibly, depending on how you write Ford)β and thatβs itβs whole own adaptation.
Important!! Does Weirdmageddon happen in this universe?? How does it get changed by the kiddosβ presence??? I gotta knowwww >:33
It is SOOOO fucked it brings a whole new level of "Karen took the kids" to this but instead Karen just snatched the kids to magic land and lied and said he obliterated them because they're just bargaining chips in the end #watdafuck. Bill was talking out of his ass there he just needed to keep ragebaiting ford meanwhile he's got snatched-up little starlings like "aw man when do we get to go back" "yo when do we get earth time again" "IN A MINUTE!!!" But also I am seeing a potential in an almost-comical "you lying FUCKER 'i killed the kids' my ASS they are right here!!!"
And yes yes YUEAGHHH i cannot believe i've only considered the implications of that now wat the heck. Man. MAN. Literally had Nova since 2024 and didn't even connect the dots once smh.... but oh well because yay i get to think of it now. Live grenade description is correct I'm giggling,..,., im imagining a world where someday pa turns into 'pops,' or 'my old man' in both an ironic way but also in a really cartoon classic way. Also because my sister says 'pops' sometimes and it makes me laugh. Pops feels so teenage children in a cartoon who are going out to rebel to me
God them being aunts ans uncle would be so funny if teithe rof them were called that it would be like "DONT... THAT MAKES US SOUND SO OLD EW EW EWWWWW" ok remind HOW long you were gone again....
Ans yes the time dilation and their less-than-pleasant first reunion in a long time is so fucked wdym their dad is that old now.... "wdym we missed that much.... MAN. MAN!!! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOO WE MISSED SO MUCH WE LOST SO MUCH TIME!!! AHHH!!!! And he still has whimsy sure but now. Alsoa haunted look in his eye... what the helly..."
Now i gotta say Weirdmageddon absolutely DOES happen and lucky for me i DID have a comic for it... i gotta get more creative about how their presence can change plot but so far Nik and Nova have been more additive and layered on top like out of place stickers if you get what i mean. Anyways that old comic was bill trying to convince nova to go team evil so that they can have an awesome happy (evil) family if he shoehorns ford into it to and shes like "what sre you ON about?!" In the case of a Nik-inclusive canon this could involve either just nova again or the both of them because i think bill actually does not mind these two in the sense that they could be an extension of a goal and also have a little bit of him in there so surely they've gotta be at least 50% cool and awesome like him, right? (And dont even get me STARTED on the implications of making more of you, the last of a dead universe.... fuckkk why was 2024 me not considering any of this cool stuff. I gotta rewrite and reconsider even more wowowow....) Nova's picked up more dream demon-ish-ness and Nik's got a joyous and whimsical heart so surely he can work with this. Right. Right??? Ford is stingy but these guys are a little bit ford and a little bit him! So he's got better chances here, right...?
Hehehehehe
Do you think Ford would mention the whole βuh yeah your father told me he fucking killed you both btw so ??? Or is that something theyβd have to figure out in their own time later?? What would you even think about that??
Like sure the reunion is rocky but then you learn your dad has been grieving you for 30+ years and you just rocked up in his house directly after the most emotionally loaded 10 minutes of his life HFHDJFHJDG
And itβs like oh great now our father is haunted now [throws hands in the air] and heβs old as fuck!!! Wonder if thereβs any magical or science bullshittery they can do to get some more time on that front ?? Hmm.
Okay okay so Iβm gonna go feral abt weirdmageddon. On the Ford front - how the hell does this go??
Does Bill still capture him at the start? Are Nova and Nikola with him and Dipper or are they off somewhere ?? Does Ford still trophy him or is he more waxing poetic about family??
I could see Bill going either way on the βproceed as usual, unfreeze the old man when he has use and then try and torture him for the equationβ direction - which, lots of potential for the N twins there bc one of your dads is torturing the other one (and where are they? In the fearamid just hanging around? Or does he keep them there in βtime outβ?)
Then I could also see him going the other way and trying to gather the family up and using the twisted concept of a nuclear family image to try and goad Ford into joining him like. Just sitting around a dinner table with one dad chained down like βisnβt this so nice :))) donβt you wanna be a family againβ and it could be all sick and all appearances and junk.
HFHDHDJDHD so many fun things can be done with this scenario I wanna dissect and eat them alllllllll!!!
GHGHGH YES its my outlandish and goofy scenario.... my ocs which stir the drama....
I feel like at some point if they sit down about it Ford's gonna be like "yeah.... so I was under that impression because he literally told me so... sigh...." and they will be like WHAT. WHAT. I mean they were alr kind of pissed at him for being both deadbeat and also tormenting the rest of their family but this is the cherry on top i feel. and yes it's a very thousand yard stare moment for them like "oh this is serious..."
On that note my current explanation for how this works right now is that if they appear in a bill-featured episode that lies BEFORRE NWHS, I need a way for them to not immediately be exposed for him being their terrible terrible dad right off the bat because i want to save the reveal. so, my current band-aid solution: he lowkey doesn't recognise them at first if/when they come face to face. The last time he left them in that slowed-time dreamworld they were cutesy little stars, and so when he sees these human teenagers he's like "hm.... I feel like I'm forgetting something... actually I wonder how the kids are doing I forgot to take them out fo 'babysitting time' haha whoops...." Bro πIf it hits him the second time around then I'm probably going to employ the method of "cartoonishly goofy-yet-convenient ways of shutting him up," hushed conversations in short cutscenes when others are out of earshot, and maybe if at most dire everyone else goes "what was that supposed to mean" and then the two fo them play dumb like "yeah I don't know either... this guy sounds crazy...." They are doing a whole new LEVEL of pretending you don't know your parents because they're embarrassing you. this is "pretending to not know your dad because he's embarrassingly evil" they are JUST like movie lloyd garmadon. almost.
MAGIC OR SCIENCE BULLSHITTERY.... you're onto something there...
WEIRDMAGEDDON!!!! Or, their version of an incredibly terrible horrible no-good family reunion thanksgiving dinner. because Nx2have each other I am more leaning towards wanting to pair them up in some other seperate location to keep things tense... smaller little survival groups scattered throughout yk. bill probably picks up up from there like "heyo, starlings!" and then they yell and complain as he does the equivalent of picking them up by the scruff and putting them in the car
I want to say bill still trophies ford, but with his sales pitch for world domination having a little bit more of a 'family' spin on it. which. actually bill is totally rubbing his hands evilly at this like "oh you care about FAMILY.... then why not have OURS??? like our super cool evil one??? like who cares about the other ones they're boringggggg" and ford goes "you're SICK!!!!!" and bill sighs like "ok fine whatever. i bet the kids will like my idea more hmph!!!" and then chains him up and takes him out of the penthouse suite to bring the kids in instead. because at the end of it all. well. i think bill really really really wants ford to want what he wants and be on his side. but he isn't.
so then he gives Nx2 his whole sales pitch. and no they don't like it either. sorry billy. the imagery of a fucked up dinner table scene is AMAZING though I really like that.... i like it when surburban nuclear family 'normal normal we are so normal and default' aesthetics and themes are coupled with the horror of being more of a mimicked dollhouse rather than anything with an actual heart behind it.... it is very cool and also would make a great drawing actually. will think about that thank you....
HDHHSJDHDF ππ imagine one of your parents telling the other that they killed you how do you even go on from there. At least it explains Ford highkey freaking out at reunion time πππ It is a good way for them to learn the stakes tho highkey like ohhh this is SERIOUS
ALSO is this a Ford who comes back from the multiverse heavily scarred?? Is that something the Ns end up seeing and How/When at all and if soβ¦ howβs that go for them π Likewise the paternal instinct of βwhat the fuck do you MEAN he put you in a dream for 30 yearsβ π€ Team βFather ruined our lives for 3 decadesβ highkey
Lloyd Garmadon comparisons are absolute gold btw ππ which I have it on good authority that you should buyβ¦ to be fair Bill forgot about them for all of 30 years whatβs a couple months more huh. They even look a bit older than before and also like heβs got other things on the mind..,.,,. But oh boy that sims - - ticker just keeps going down ππ the fumbler of all timeβ¦
Unrelated Starlings is such a cute nickname ππ Iβve seen some people have Bill refer to Ford as βMy Starβ and other such things - does Ford get a space nickname or does that only get applied to good scientists who let me into their dimension HFHJDHF
Weirdmaggeddon time is so fun because imagine like awkwardly avoiding your cringe ass dad when he like. Owns the world (highkey) atm. Like oofff thatβs so embarrassing. Like theyβre getting Scruffed and itβs like guyyssss donβt read into this okayyyy
HDHDHSJHFF okay but imagine from the Kids perspective your evil dad kidnaps you and takes you to the worst house ever (gaudy and 90% of it has no furnitureβ¦) and tries to get you on side (no obviously wtf) and then heβs apparently collared and chained your other dad and youβre just side eyeing him like. Okayyy. Well. That. Iβm not reading into that.
HDHSJDHF Glad you like the concept eheh <33 the facade of a family moment,,..,., ohhh the symbolism..,.
ALSO did Ford mentionβ¦ the whole Bill thing to Stan?? Cause in canon he doesnβt and Stan doesnβt technically know immediately whose kids these are (I assume). Does. Does he know before the rescue or does he walk in on evil family time and is like. Um. Ford why is the demon taking over the world playing house with you. What the fuck do you mean you had children with the thing Ford. (Because in canon Ford doesnβt mention his partnership with Bill to Stan AT ALL ππ does the metaphorical smoking gun change that or does he employ the same strat of Nx2 and just be like. Triangle?? Never met him.)
YEAH IMAGINE BEING THEM BRAH... god this is so funny im giggling. like yeah i guess this is really crazy. but it gets so crazy that it's to the point where Im just laughing now because there is no way this keeps happening to you guys... man.
honestly yeah ford would be scarred the hell up LOOK AT HIM BRO HE WAS A SPACE ADVENTURER!!!! i have an older oneshot of them where nik goes "well, you heard his story. maybe he's a really rugged space pirate now and that's why he was so... yeah." this would just corroborate that for him tbh. but still. man. this feels like what people mean when they say 'dad lore' but to an ultimate degree. "yeah my dad was lost in the multiverse for 30 years what about you." and yes yes ford is so annoyed because wdym he lied and said they were dead, AND was somehow still deadbeat by just leaving them somewhere else for 30 years. like if you're going to steal the kids at least take care of them??? hello???
BUT YES YES BIL IS A #FUMBLER ITS SOMETHING HE'S SO GOOD AT. he just forgor bro. like oh ok you took us just to forget where you left us. ok.
AND TY ON THE NICKNAME FRONT GEWHGEHGEGHJE and while you're mentioning it do not get me STARTED on the "my star" thing. i have a very special place in my heart for ford as his star because historically in past fandoms i have been in i have built up such an attachment to stars as affection and as a signifiant story thing.. guhhhmy irl friends know the context behind this (2 years of pjsk obsession and also other stuff.) BUT BACK TO THE TOPIC. back whern nova was an only child (when i first made her) she was occassionally "baby star" and "supernova" because haha stars.. looking at stars... bill cipher looking at stars... but since i've made both their shapey forms stars bill really just does remember them as little stars. sadly for this reason ford probabaly doesnt get a fun space related nickname but mayb MAYBE "my star" can make it in there in their version of canon... on rare occassions...
AND YES WEIRDMAGEDDON SI HILARIOUS this is their equivalent to like. your parent being a teacher at your school or something. but worse. they never get any normal teenage experiences its just "UGH dad stop trying to take over the world.... it's embarassing!!!" AND THE HOUSE IS TERRIBLE YOU'RE SO RIGHT GHGHGGHHS bill cant get SHIT they dont like his plans and they dont like his house. they win worst family dinner or something
STAN. STANNNNN. oh my goodness. i am very subscribed to the idea that he eventually explains some of it while they're on their sailing trip but then that leaves weirdmageddon... yeha i dont thinhk stan would get that particular tidbit of knowledge uness he really did walk in on the worst family dinner ever. which is hilarious and i will be imagining it. "it's NOT what it looks like" are we sure?
"what do you MEAN you had kids with that thing" "well---it's not like a having kids, per se---bill mostly 'summoned' them---made them?---it was a whole thing---" "really now?"
HDHSJHFF sometimes in life the situation some guys find themselves in reaches critical levels of bullshittery. One must have a giggle⦠this is the weirdest way to come out as gay to your estranged twin and the weirdest way to learn your parents got divorced.
ππ took the kids full on out of spite. Took them just to neglect them. Fatherhood 100. Fordβs dad lore is insane like sighhh this reminds me of the time I got vivisected :/ and theyβre just like WHAT. Or ugh Bill is so evil and obsessive I remember he put a Galaxy up for a bounty on my head :// or even yeah I used to cheat in the gambling dimension for fun then the time cops started trying to murder me on sight so I only went there if I really needed cash after that ://
Canβt even be surprised Bill is a fumbler tbh he literally has no swag the only reason his cringefail self was able to bag a dude like Ford is because he used manipulation tactic 101 and lied a bunch (or maybe got a little TOO truthful) but bro was not ready for fatherhood. Tbh I donβt know if Ford was either. Itβs really funny that both of them (and Stan) are associated with the βitβs optional to grow upβ phrase canonically and Bill describes Fordβs mind as βhalf that of a genius and the other half is stuck at 18β and Mabel tells Stan and Ford that they βkinda still are kidsβ. Like. Neither of these men are emotionally mature enough to raise a young life lmfao.
Auuuughhh see space nicknames with Bill hit so hard because itβs the whole Euclydia thing. That he loved the stars so much and wanted to show everyone them so badly that he accidentally killed his entire dimension.,..,..,. Ooougghggh star nicknames from Bill just have 10x impact to me because itβs like on the outside/to observers itβs just like oh yeah cosmic deity star nickname that makes sense but to Bill thatβs legit just. The most valuable / treasured thing he can refer to you as. Star shapey forms is so cute ππ
Speaking of, how to Nova and Nikola age? At the same rate as humans? Faster? Slower? Are they immortal like dad1, do they live longer/shorter than an ordinary human, or same lifespan as dad2? And how does a family..,.., navigate these differences. I can imagine Weirdmageddon Bill would just be like βwell it doesnβt matter since I control time itself I can just keep everyone exactly how I want them forever :)β but like outside of thatβ¦ man thereβs a lot of O-O itβs like poking a nest of hornets bwahahah
Bill is so bad at everything πππ does he get a complex about it or go >:( no. It is clearly the family who are wrongβ¦.
Do the kids end up getting chained down like their Pa or is Bill like eh theyβre not as good at escaping / directly relevant as Ford is. Idgaf.
God imagine Stan walking into the worst family dinner ever though ππ FORD IVE COME TO RESCUE YOUβ- / sees his twin brother chained down with just his head in his hands whilst Bill tries to βhoney, sweetie, darlingβ him and two kids are sitting there cringing and itβs like pass the salt please and itβs like. The food is inedible. Probably.
Does Bill consider him and Ford married? I know the βfrom now til the end of timeβ thing is kinda. Wedding vows esque. I could see him trying to spin that angle during Weirdmageddon at least. Iβm always a fan of βmarriedβ Ford getting the double wedding rings since he has 2 ring fingers lmao. Bill just getting up to bullshittery is really funny to me JDHSHF
Either that or Ford is just his βbaby daddyβ which is an awful phrase to associate with him tbh JFHSHDKHF
Ford tries to justify parenthood speedrun. βHOW DO YOU EVEN DO IT WITH THAT THING?!-β βI DIDNT! (not for them anyway)β βPARDON?!β βNOT RELEVANTβ
ABSOLUTELY YES YES YES crazy dad lore... crazy goofy moments... Nx2 are that one "divorce leads children to terrible places" meme with the kid in the middle over a cliff or something... i dont have the image but i hope that description was enough
And yeah. Your embarassing dads who are like the worst people for this probably </3 not only are they cringe but they are so bad at this. The true tragedy of Nik and Nova </3
AND YES TO THE SPACE THING star/space nicknames wih extra weight behind them.... aughhh. It gets me man. Gutpunch
AGES.... LAUGHS NERVOUSLY.... i considered it ONCE and then decided to shelve it for later because. Wow. How much more am i gonna hurt them??? Imagine they outlive even more of their family and any friends either of them makes... man... MAN...
MOVING ON bill's got the whole family flipping him off but yeah he is really goods at convincing himself of things methinks. "No THEYRE wrong they just dont understand interior design!! Hmph!!" Crossing his arms "why cant we be a nice happy family" you know why.
Now see I wouldnt want to chain up the poor kids... but would bill? Well honestly i like the idea he doesnt take them seriously and just tells the henchies "yo let me know if they wander off" so that when one goes "hey those kids you brought in are trying to escape again" he just teleports there, picks them up, and then does NOT take their attempts all that seriously. "Haha nice try you two! Now back into the penthouse you go!" Nova especially is miffed at this . Like i guess it's a good thing they arent REALLY super trapped but at the same time damn youre not even going to take their escape attempts as serious threats? They worked hard on those!
Bill's doing a terrible 50s surburban family parody with them it's gotta be the most awwkard thing stan has ever seen LMAOOOO. Also remembering that stan didnt even WANT to go back for ford at first so imagine not wanting to go and then being stuck with this scenario </3 Bill doesn't even like the family picturesque scenario I think he's just doing it for the bit π
End of time is SO wedding vows esque but also once i again i dont even think bill gives a fuck about family structures or weddings except for maybe the dramatics and just for fun. Because weddings are still parties a little bit. He'll just play into whatever bits he's got and sometimes ya gotta play up the (literal) trophy wife angle... like pspspsps come on say yes... (ford is NOT saying yes bruh)
KSJSGSJJH baby daddy ford is KILLING me and now i will remember that thanks. Baby daddy.... π
HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
YIPPEEE πβ¨πβ¨ HELLOOO ππ
Awww man ππ Ford thought Bill killed his own children just out of spite bc they were also Fordβs?? Thatβs messseddd upppp but also it makes sense for what we all know of Bill but OUGHHH that adds like 7 layers to the vendetta hellhole that is their relationship what the heckkkkk??
HDHSJHDF I noticed they called him Pa on the art and I was like *haunted faraway look* hooooohhhh that has complicated emotions attached. I can only imagine for Stan that would also be like the equivalent of throwing a live grenade at him upon meeting. Especially with how he recoils at any comparisons to how he looks like his dad in the show.
Hehehehehe yessss >:3333
Honestly I think calling them Aunt / Uncle would be hilarious for the twins. It does happen sometimes! I have relatives who are siblings and one is like 20+ years older than the other. But I feel like maybe itβs something they could play for the bit πππ
Awwhhhh ππ I feel so bad for them and their reunion going wrong but plssss kiddos donβt be mad your father has megaparanoia π₯Ίπ₯Ί he only reacted like that BECAUSE he cares enough about you to think someone would trick him to hurt him.,,.,.. ougghhh
Then thereβs the mortifying ordeal of βmy father has gone through literal hell for 30 years, now heβs very old and also very murderous (possibly, depending on how you write Ford)β and thatβs itβs whole own adaptation.
Important!! Does Weirdmageddon happen in this universe?? How does it get changed by the kiddosβ presence??? I gotta knowwww >:33
It is SOOOO fucked it brings a whole new level of "Karen took the kids" to this but instead Karen just snatched the kids to magic land and lied and said he obliterated them because they're just bargaining chips in the end #watdafuck. Bill was talking out of his ass there he just needed to keep ragebaiting ford meanwhile he's got snatched-up little starlings like "aw man when do we get to go back" "yo when do we get earth time again" "IN A MINUTE!!!" But also I am seeing a potential in an almost-comical "you lying FUCKER 'i killed the kids' my ASS they are right here!!!"
And yes yes YUEAGHHH i cannot believe i've only considered the implications of that now wat the heck. Man. MAN. Literally had Nova since 2024 and didn't even connect the dots once smh.... but oh well because yay i get to think of it now. Live grenade description is correct I'm giggling,..,., im imagining a world where someday pa turns into 'pops,' or 'my old man' in both an ironic way but also in a really cartoon classic way. Also because my sister says 'pops' sometimes and it makes me laugh. Pops feels so teenage children in a cartoon who are going out to rebel to me
God them being aunts ans uncle would be so funny if teithe rof them were called that it would be like "DONT... THAT MAKES US SOUND SO OLD EW EW EWWWWW" ok remind HOW long you were gone again....
Ans yes the time dilation and their less-than-pleasant first reunion in a long time is so fucked wdym their dad is that old now.... "wdym we missed that much.... MAN. MAN!!! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOO WE MISSED SO MUCH WE LOST SO MUCH TIME!!! AHHH!!!! And he still has whimsy sure but now. Alsoa haunted look in his eye... what the helly..."
Now i gotta say Weirdmageddon absolutely DOES happen and lucky for me i DID have a comic for it... i gotta get more creative about how their presence can change plot but so far Nik and Nova have been more additive and layered on top like out of place stickers if you get what i mean. Anyways that old comic was bill trying to convince nova to go team evil so that they can have an awesome happy (evil) family if he shoehorns ford into it to and shes like "what sre you ON about?!" In the case of a Nik-inclusive canon this could involve either just nova again or the both of them because i think bill actually does not mind these two in the sense that they could be an extension of a goal and also have a little bit of him in there so surely they've gotta be at least 50% cool and awesome like him, right? (And dont even get me STARTED on the implications of making more of you, the last of a dead universe.... fuckkk why was 2024 me not considering any of this cool stuff. I gotta rewrite and reconsider even more wowowow....) Nova's picked up more dream demon-ish-ness and Nik's got a joyous and whimsical heart so surely he can work with this. Right. Right??? Ford is stingy but these guys are a little bit ford and a little bit him! So he's got better chances here, right...?
Hehehehehe
Do you think Ford would mention the whole βuh yeah your father told me he fucking killed you both btw so ??? Or is that something theyβd have to figure out in their own time later?? What would you even think about that??
Like sure the reunion is rocky but then you learn your dad has been grieving you for 30+ years and you just rocked up in his house directly after the most emotionally loaded 10 minutes of his life HFHDJFHJDG
And itβs like oh great now our father is haunted now [throws hands in the air] and heβs old as fuck!!! Wonder if thereβs any magical or science bullshittery they can do to get some more time on that front ?? Hmm.
Okay okay so Iβm gonna go feral abt weirdmageddon. On the Ford front - how the hell does this go??
Does Bill still capture him at the start? Are Nova and Nikola with him and Dipper or are they off somewhere ?? Does Ford still trophy him or is he more waxing poetic about family??
I could see Bill going either way on the βproceed as usual, unfreeze the old man when he has use and then try and torture him for the equationβ direction - which, lots of potential for the N twins there bc one of your dads is torturing the other one (and where are they? In the fearamid just hanging around? Or does he keep them there in βtime outβ?)
Then I could also see him going the other way and trying to gather the family up and using the twisted concept of a nuclear family image to try and goad Ford into joining him like. Just sitting around a dinner table with one dad chained down like βisnβt this so nice :))) donβt you wanna be a family againβ and it could be all sick and all appearances and junk.
HFHDHDJDHD so many fun things can be done with this scenario I wanna dissect and eat them alllllllll!!!
GHGHGH YES its my outlandish and goofy scenario.... my ocs which stir the drama....
I feel like at some point if they sit down about it Ford's gonna be like "yeah.... so I was under that impression because he literally told me so... sigh...." and they will be like WHAT. WHAT. I mean they were alr kind of pissed at him for being both deadbeat and also tormenting the rest of their family but this is the cherry on top i feel. and yes it's a very thousand yard stare moment for them like "oh this is serious..."
On that note my current explanation for how this works right now is that if they appear in a bill-featured episode that lies BEFORRE NWHS, I need a way for them to not immediately be exposed for him being their terrible terrible dad right off the bat because i want to save the reveal. so, my current band-aid solution: he lowkey doesn't recognise them at first if/when they come face to face. The last time he left them in that slowed-time dreamworld they were cutesy little stars, and so when he sees these human teenagers he's like "hm.... I feel like I'm forgetting something... actually I wonder how the kids are doing I forgot to take them out fo 'babysitting time' haha whoops...." Bro πIf it hits him the second time around then I'm probably going to employ the method of "cartoonishly goofy-yet-convenient ways of shutting him up," hushed conversations in short cutscenes when others are out of earshot, and maybe if at most dire everyone else goes "what was that supposed to mean" and then the two fo them play dumb like "yeah I don't know either... this guy sounds crazy...." They are doing a whole new LEVEL of pretending you don't know your parents because they're embarrassing you. this is "pretending to not know your dad because he's embarrassingly evil" they are JUST like movie lloyd garmadon. almost.
MAGIC OR SCIENCE BULLSHITTERY.... you're onto something there...
WEIRDMAGEDDON!!!! Or, their version of an incredibly terrible horrible no-good family reunion thanksgiving dinner. because Nx2have each other I am more leaning towards wanting to pair them up in some other seperate location to keep things tense... smaller little survival groups scattered throughout yk. bill probably picks up up from there like "heyo, starlings!" and then they yell and complain as he does the equivalent of picking them up by the scruff and putting them in the car
I want to say bill still trophies ford, but with his sales pitch for world domination having a little bit more of a 'family' spin on it. which. actually bill is totally rubbing his hands evilly at this like "oh you care about FAMILY.... then why not have OURS??? like our super cool evil one??? like who cares about the other ones they're boringggggg" and ford goes "you're SICK!!!!!" and bill sighs like "ok fine whatever. i bet the kids will like my idea more hmph!!!" and then chains him up and takes him out of the penthouse suite to bring the kids in instead. because at the end of it all. well. i think bill really really really wants ford to want what he wants and be on his side. but he isn't.
so then he gives Nx2 his whole sales pitch. and no they don't like it either. sorry billy. the imagery of a fucked up dinner table scene is AMAZING though I really like that.... i like it when surburban nuclear family 'normal normal we are so normal and default' aesthetics and themes are coupled with the horror of being more of a mimicked dollhouse rather than anything with an actual heart behind it.... it is very cool and also would make a great drawing actually. will think about that thank you....
HDHHSJDHDF ππ imagine one of your parents telling the other that they killed you how do you even go on from there. At least it explains Ford highkey freaking out at reunion time πππ It is a good way for them to learn the stakes tho highkey like ohhh this is SERIOUS
ALSO is this a Ford who comes back from the multiverse heavily scarred?? Is that something the Ns end up seeing and How/When at all and if soβ¦ howβs that go for them π Likewise the paternal instinct of βwhat the fuck do you MEAN he put you in a dream for 30 yearsβ π€ Team βFather ruined our lives for 3 decadesβ highkey
Lloyd Garmadon comparisons are absolute gold btw ππ which I have it on good authority that you should buyβ¦ to be fair Bill forgot about them for all of 30 years whatβs a couple months more huh. They even look a bit older than before and also like heβs got other things on the mind..,.,,. But oh boy that sims - - ticker just keeps going down ππ the fumbler of all timeβ¦
Unrelated Starlings is such a cute nickname ππ Iβve seen some people have Bill refer to Ford as βMy Starβ and other such things - does Ford get a space nickname or does that only get applied to good scientists who let me into their dimension HFHJDHF
Weirdmaggeddon time is so fun because imagine like awkwardly avoiding your cringe ass dad when he like. Owns the world (highkey) atm. Like oofff thatβs so embarrassing. Like theyβre getting Scruffed and itβs like guyyssss donβt read into this okayyyy
HDHDHSJHFF okay but imagine from the Kids perspective your evil dad kidnaps you and takes you to the worst house ever (gaudy and 90% of it has no furnitureβ¦) and tries to get you on side (no obviously wtf) and then heβs apparently collared and chained your other dad and youβre just side eyeing him like. Okayyy. Well. That. Iβm not reading into that.
HDHSJDHF Glad you like the concept eheh <33 the facade of a family moment,,..,., ohhh the symbolism..,.
ALSO did Ford mentionβ¦ the whole Bill thing to Stan?? Cause in canon he doesnβt and Stan doesnβt technically know immediately whose kids these are (I assume). Does. Does he know before the rescue or does he walk in on evil family time and is like. Um. Ford why is the demon taking over the world playing house with you. What the fuck do you mean you had children with the thing Ford. (Because in canon Ford doesnβt mention his partnership with Bill to Stan AT ALL ππ does the metaphorical smoking gun change that or does he employ the same strat of Nx2 and just be like. Triangle?? Never met him.)
YEAH IMAGINE BEING THEM BRAH... god this is so funny im giggling. like yeah i guess this is really crazy. but it gets so crazy that it's to the point where Im just laughing now because there is no way this keeps happening to you guys... man.
honestly yeah ford would be scarred the hell up LOOK AT HIM BRO HE WAS A SPACE ADVENTURER!!!! i have an older oneshot of them where nik goes "well, you heard his story. maybe he's a really rugged space pirate now and that's why he was so... yeah." this would just corroborate that for him tbh. but still. man. this feels like what people mean when they say 'dad lore' but to an ultimate degree. "yeah my dad was lost in the multiverse for 30 years what about you." and yes yes ford is so annoyed because wdym he lied and said they were dead, AND was somehow still deadbeat by just leaving them somewhere else for 30 years. like if you're going to steal the kids at least take care of them??? hello???
BUT YES YES BIL IS A #FUMBLER ITS SOMETHING HE'S SO GOOD AT. he just forgor bro. like oh ok you took us just to forget where you left us. ok.
AND TY ON THE NICKNAME FRONT GEWHGEHGEGHJE and while you're mentioning it do not get me STARTED on the "my star" thing. i have a very special place in my heart for ford as his star because historically in past fandoms i have been in i have built up such an attachment to stars as affection and as a signifiant story thing.. guhhhmy irl friends know the context behind this (2 years of pjsk obsession and also other stuff.) BUT BACK TO THE TOPIC. back whern nova was an only child (when i first made her) she was occassionally "baby star" and "supernova" because haha stars.. looking at stars... bill cipher looking at stars... but since i've made both their shapey forms stars bill really just does remember them as little stars. sadly for this reason ford probabaly doesnt get a fun space related nickname but mayb MAYBE "my star" can make it in there in their version of canon... on rare occassions...
AND YES WEIRDMAGEDDON SI HILARIOUS this is their equivalent to like. your parent being a teacher at your school or something. but worse. they never get any normal teenage experiences its just "UGH dad stop trying to take over the world.... it's embarassing!!!" AND THE HOUSE IS TERRIBLE YOU'RE SO RIGHT GHGHGGHHS bill cant get SHIT they dont like his plans and they dont like his house. they win worst family dinner or something
STAN. STANNNNN. oh my goodness. i am very subscribed to the idea that he eventually explains some of it while they're on their sailing trip but then that leaves weirdmageddon... yeha i dont thinhk stan would get that particular tidbit of knowledge uness he really did walk in on the worst family dinner ever. which is hilarious and i will be imagining it. "it's NOT what it looks like" are we sure?
"what do you MEAN you had kids with that thing" "well---it's not like a having kids, per se---bill mostly 'summoned' them---made them?---it was a whole thing---" "really now?"
Hellooooo poking you again because my curiosity is insatiable
I have been consuming your Slumbering Prince Ford content with great delight and now my brain is buzzing abt it :333
How long does Ford stay in the dream?? I mean mostly in reality though how long past the 30 years recreation time in his time??
What happens with the rescue attempt? Is Ford still in the dream when his family comes? Do they find him still just knocked the fuck out and do they take him off like still sleeping? Does he remain in the dream as long as Bill wants him to?? Could be kinda fun if they use the mindscape spell to enter and try and break him out if so or something or other >:33 imagine seeing your whimsical puppet self. Mabel land 2.0β¦.
I really like pissed off βawakenedβ Ford whoβs like. Bitch what. But the fact heβs still in after being awakened does make me curious how he can theoretically get out / what actually is enough to wake him full time.
And the whole throne is in the dream?? Thatβs so sick. How does one even begin to navigate that?? Seriously so cool hehehe I really like the aesthetic of the whole thing >:33
GLAD YOU LIKE IT im so glad i took the chnace to just be super awesome self indulgent and fun with an au like i should've it's been fun π now let me consult my google doc....
in reality i want to say this takes place when bill would normally be electrocuting ford, so like..... a few hours??? or more??? which is really going to be crazy for him when he proerly wake sup. holy whiplash. 30years fo fake memroies p+ the 30 real ones and layering each one over each other like which parts are common with each other? what seed of truth did bill use to base his lie on? as for in the dream..... well. hehehe. im 8k words into the fic (but have been slacking on it) and i was gonna have him there for a while even after he 'gfains awareness' because. well. he's gotta figure a way to PROPERLY get out, you know? so as of now its up in the airrrr
you're spot on they DO find him passed the fuck out LMAOOOO. and as i said before im still writing a possible fic but it's not like 100% planned so the idea of the having to break in and do a sidequest before saving the waking world for real... shitttt.... you're onto something.... (taking notes). originally i was gonna have ford have to figure a way out himself but this... smiles... this is a good thought. dipper would fight his own puppet-self like how he really hates dippy fresh i think. but the puppet is less like dippy fresh so maybe dipper hates him a little less
(i'm split between wanting to explain and also be like YESSS at these ideas but at the same time im like. does this trechnically count as spoiling my own au??? LMAOOO but no no i do want to talk about it sooo like...)
and tahnk you!!! yes ford is so pissed man. like he's stuck is starry whimsy land while there are real problem's he has to worry about out there AND he can't seem to wake up like usual. let him out!!!as for what it would take to wake him. well. we will have to wait and see :) <- voice of a guy who actually hasn't trhought of it yet. yes im so well planned what are you talking about.
ADN YEAH i felt so "eureka!" when i thought of it because like. bill's like "thit's not like they have anyting better to do... might as well use them to populate the dream for reaslism!!!" which si why he's so annoyed that he hasn't gotten any of his most relevant figures and that they're all hiding out. it's like not having a rare collectible almost. AND TY AGAIN EHHEHEHE the aesthetic is a product of my own self indulgence... me when dreamy whimsy as an overlay for the horror of being trapped in a play-pretend world....
HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
YIPPEEE πβ¨πβ¨ HELLOOO ππ
Awww man ππ Ford thought Bill killed his own children just out of spite bc they were also Fordβs?? Thatβs messseddd upppp but also it makes sense for what we all know of Bill but OUGHHH that adds like 7 layers to the vendetta hellhole that is their relationship what the heckkkkk??
HDHSJHDF I noticed they called him Pa on the art and I was like *haunted faraway look* hooooohhhh that has complicated emotions attached. I can only imagine for Stan that would also be like the equivalent of throwing a live grenade at him upon meeting. Especially with how he recoils at any comparisons to how he looks like his dad in the show.
Hehehehehe yessss >:3333
Honestly I think calling them Aunt / Uncle would be hilarious for the twins. It does happen sometimes! I have relatives who are siblings and one is like 20+ years older than the other. But I feel like maybe itβs something they could play for the bit πππ
Awwhhhh ππ I feel so bad for them and their reunion going wrong but plssss kiddos donβt be mad your father has megaparanoia π₯Ίπ₯Ί he only reacted like that BECAUSE he cares enough about you to think someone would trick him to hurt him.,,.,.. ougghhh
Then thereβs the mortifying ordeal of βmy father has gone through literal hell for 30 years, now heβs very old and also very murderous (possibly, depending on how you write Ford)β and thatβs itβs whole own adaptation.
Important!! Does Weirdmageddon happen in this universe?? How does it get changed by the kiddosβ presence??? I gotta knowwww >:33
It is SOOOO fucked it brings a whole new level of "Karen took the kids" to this but instead Karen just snatched the kids to magic land and lied and said he obliterated them because they're just bargaining chips in the end #watdafuck. Bill was talking out of his ass there he just needed to keep ragebaiting ford meanwhile he's got snatched-up little starlings like "aw man when do we get to go back" "yo when do we get earth time again" "IN A MINUTE!!!" But also I am seeing a potential in an almost-comical "you lying FUCKER 'i killed the kids' my ASS they are right here!!!"
And yes yes YUEAGHHH i cannot believe i've only considered the implications of that now wat the heck. Man. MAN. Literally had Nova since 2024 and didn't even connect the dots once smh.... but oh well because yay i get to think of it now. Live grenade description is correct I'm giggling,..,., im imagining a world where someday pa turns into 'pops,' or 'my old man' in both an ironic way but also in a really cartoon classic way. Also because my sister says 'pops' sometimes and it makes me laugh. Pops feels so teenage children in a cartoon who are going out to rebel to me
God them being aunts ans uncle would be so funny if teithe rof them were called that it would be like "DONT... THAT MAKES US SOUND SO OLD EW EW EWWWWW" ok remind HOW long you were gone again....
Ans yes the time dilation and their less-than-pleasant first reunion in a long time is so fucked wdym their dad is that old now.... "wdym we missed that much.... MAN. MAN!!! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOO WE MISSED SO MUCH WE LOST SO MUCH TIME!!! AHHH!!!! And he still has whimsy sure but now. Alsoa haunted look in his eye... what the helly..."
Now i gotta say Weirdmageddon absolutely DOES happen and lucky for me i DID have a comic for it... i gotta get more creative about how their presence can change plot but so far Nik and Nova have been more additive and layered on top like out of place stickers if you get what i mean. Anyways that old comic was bill trying to convince nova to go team evil so that they can have an awesome happy (evil) family if he shoehorns ford into it to and shes like "what sre you ON about?!" In the case of a Nik-inclusive canon this could involve either just nova again or the both of them because i think bill actually does not mind these two in the sense that they could be an extension of a goal and also have a little bit of him in there so surely they've gotta be at least 50% cool and awesome like him, right? (And dont even get me STARTED on the implications of making more of you, the last of a dead universe.... fuckkk why was 2024 me not considering any of this cool stuff. I gotta rewrite and reconsider even more wowowow....) Nova's picked up more dream demon-ish-ness and Nik's got a joyous and whimsical heart so surely he can work with this. Right. Right??? Ford is stingy but these guys are a little bit ford and a little bit him! So he's got better chances here, right...?
Hehehehehe
Do you think Ford would mention the whole βuh yeah your father told me he fucking killed you both btw so ??? Or is that something theyβd have to figure out in their own time later?? What would you even think about that??
Like sure the reunion is rocky but then you learn your dad has been grieving you for 30+ years and you just rocked up in his house directly after the most emotionally loaded 10 minutes of his life HFHDJFHJDG
And itβs like oh great now our father is haunted now [throws hands in the air] and heβs old as fuck!!! Wonder if thereβs any magical or science bullshittery they can do to get some more time on that front ?? Hmm.
Okay okay so Iβm gonna go feral abt weirdmageddon. On the Ford front - how the hell does this go??
Does Bill still capture him at the start? Are Nova and Nikola with him and Dipper or are they off somewhere ?? Does Ford still trophy him or is he more waxing poetic about family??
I could see Bill going either way on the βproceed as usual, unfreeze the old man when he has use and then try and torture him for the equationβ direction - which, lots of potential for the N twins there bc one of your dads is torturing the other one (and where are they? In the fearamid just hanging around? Or does he keep them there in βtime outβ?)
Then I could also see him going the other way and trying to gather the family up and using the twisted concept of a nuclear family image to try and goad Ford into joining him like. Just sitting around a dinner table with one dad chained down like βisnβt this so nice :))) donβt you wanna be a family againβ and it could be all sick and all appearances and junk.
HFHDHDJDHD so many fun things can be done with this scenario I wanna dissect and eat them alllllllll!!!
GHGHGH YES its my outlandish and goofy scenario.... my ocs which stir the drama....
I feel like at some point if they sit down about it Ford's gonna be like "yeah.... so I was under that impression because he literally told me so... sigh...." and they will be like WHAT. WHAT. I mean they were alr kind of pissed at him for being both deadbeat and also tormenting the rest of their family but this is the cherry on top i feel. and yes it's a very thousand yard stare moment for them like "oh this is serious..."
On that note my current explanation for how this works right now is that if they appear in a bill-featured episode that lies BEFORRE NWHS, I need a way for them to not immediately be exposed for him being their terrible terrible dad right off the bat because i want to save the reveal. so, my current band-aid solution: he lowkey doesn't recognise them at first if/when they come face to face. The last time he left them in that slowed-time dreamworld they were cutesy little stars, and so when he sees these human teenagers he's like "hm.... I feel like I'm forgetting something... actually I wonder how the kids are doing I forgot to take them out fo 'babysitting time' haha whoops...." Bro πIf it hits him the second time around then I'm probably going to employ the method of "cartoonishly goofy-yet-convenient ways of shutting him up," hushed conversations in short cutscenes when others are out of earshot, and maybe if at most dire everyone else goes "what was that supposed to mean" and then the two fo them play dumb like "yeah I don't know either... this guy sounds crazy...." They are doing a whole new LEVEL of pretending you don't know your parents because they're embarrassing you. this is "pretending to not know your dad because he's embarrassingly evil" they are JUST like movie lloyd garmadon. almost.
MAGIC OR SCIENCE BULLSHITTERY.... you're onto something there...
WEIRDMAGEDDON!!!! Or, their version of an incredibly terrible horrible no-good family reunion thanksgiving dinner. because Nx2have each other I am more leaning towards wanting to pair them up in some other seperate location to keep things tense... smaller little survival groups scattered throughout yk. bill probably picks up up from there like "heyo, starlings!" and then they yell and complain as he does the equivalent of picking them up by the scruff and putting them in the car
I want to say bill still trophies ford, but with his sales pitch for world domination having a little bit more of a 'family' spin on it. which. actually bill is totally rubbing his hands evilly at this like "oh you care about FAMILY.... then why not have OURS??? like our super cool evil one??? like who cares about the other ones they're boringggggg" and ford goes "you're SICK!!!!!" and bill sighs like "ok fine whatever. i bet the kids will like my idea more hmph!!!" and then chains him up and takes him out of the penthouse suite to bring the kids in instead. because at the end of it all. well. i think bill really really really wants ford to want what he wants and be on his side. but he isn't.
so then he gives Nx2 his whole sales pitch. and no they don't like it either. sorry billy. the imagery of a fucked up dinner table scene is AMAZING though I really like that.... i like it when surburban nuclear family 'normal normal we are so normal and default' aesthetics and themes are coupled with the horror of being more of a mimicked dollhouse rather than anything with an actual heart behind it.... it is very cool and also would make a great drawing actually. will think about that thank you....
HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
YIPPEEE πβ¨πβ¨ HELLOOO ππ
Awww man ππ Ford thought Bill killed his own children just out of spite bc they were also Fordβs?? Thatβs messseddd upppp but also it makes sense for what we all know of Bill but OUGHHH that adds like 7 layers to the vendetta hellhole that is their relationship what the heckkkkk??
HDHSJHDF I noticed they called him Pa on the art and I was like *haunted faraway look* hooooohhhh that has complicated emotions attached. I can only imagine for Stan that would also be like the equivalent of throwing a live grenade at him upon meeting. Especially with how he recoils at any comparisons to how he looks like his dad in the show.
Hehehehehe yessss >:3333
Honestly I think calling them Aunt / Uncle would be hilarious for the twins. It does happen sometimes! I have relatives who are siblings and one is like 20+ years older than the other. But I feel like maybe itβs something they could play for the bit πππ
Awwhhhh ππ I feel so bad for them and their reunion going wrong but plssss kiddos donβt be mad your father has megaparanoia π₯Ίπ₯Ί he only reacted like that BECAUSE he cares enough about you to think someone would trick him to hurt him.,,.,.. ougghhh
Then thereβs the mortifying ordeal of βmy father has gone through literal hell for 30 years, now heβs very old and also very murderous (possibly, depending on how you write Ford)β and thatβs itβs whole own adaptation.
Important!! Does Weirdmageddon happen in this universe?? How does it get changed by the kiddosβ presence??? I gotta knowwww >:33
It is SOOOO fucked it brings a whole new level of "Karen took the kids" to this but instead Karen just snatched the kids to magic land and lied and said he obliterated them because they're just bargaining chips in the end #watdafuck. Bill was talking out of his ass there he just needed to keep ragebaiting ford meanwhile he's got snatched-up little starlings like "aw man when do we get to go back" "yo when do we get earth time again" "IN A MINUTE!!!" But also I am seeing a potential in an almost-comical "you lying FUCKER 'i killed the kids' my ASS they are right here!!!"
And yes yes YUEAGHHH i cannot believe i've only considered the implications of that now wat the heck. Man. MAN. Literally had Nova since 2024 and didn't even connect the dots once smh.... but oh well because yay i get to think of it now. Live grenade description is correct I'm giggling,..,., im imagining a world where someday pa turns into 'pops,' or 'my old man' in both an ironic way but also in a really cartoon classic way. Also because my sister says 'pops' sometimes and it makes me laugh. Pops feels so teenage children in a cartoon who are going out to rebel to me
God them being aunts ans uncle would be so funny if teithe rof them were called that it would be like "DONT... THAT MAKES US SOUND SO OLD EW EW EWWWWW" ok remind HOW long you were gone again....
Ans yes the time dilation and their less-than-pleasant first reunion in a long time is so fucked wdym their dad is that old now.... "wdym we missed that much.... MAN. MAN!!! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOO WE MISSED SO MUCH WE LOST SO MUCH TIME!!! AHHH!!!! And he still has whimsy sure but now. Alsoa haunted look in his eye... what the helly..."
Now i gotta say Weirdmageddon absolutely DOES happen and lucky for me i DID have a comic for it... i gotta get more creative about how their presence can change plot but so far Nik and Nova have been more additive and layered on top like out of place stickers if you get what i mean. Anyways that old comic was bill trying to convince nova to go team evil so that they can have an awesome happy (evil) family if he shoehorns ford into it to and shes like "what sre you ON about?!" In the case of a Nik-inclusive canon this could involve either just nova again or the both of them because i think bill actually does not mind these two in the sense that they could be an extension of a goal and also have a little bit of him in there so surely they've gotta be at least 50% cool and awesome like him, right? (And dont even get me STARTED on the implications of making more of you, the last of a dead universe.... fuckkk why was 2024 me not considering any of this cool stuff. I gotta rewrite and reconsider even more wowowow....) Nova's picked up more dream demon-ish-ness and Nik's got a joyous and whimsical heart so surely he can work with this. Right. Right??? Ford is stingy but these guys are a little bit ford and a little bit him! So he's got better chances here, right...?

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HDHSHDJHDF I just read the profiles on Nova and Nikola (love them btw) and I just gotta know. Ford goes into the portal in this universe, right??
So like when do they arrive in Gravity Falls?? Is it before or after Stan reopens it cause imagine theyβre like okay we gotta find dad, enter the Mystery Shack, see Stan and are like ?? DAD ??
And Stan is like fuck did I seriously have a drunken one night stand sometime the last couple decades?? And then sees their hands and is like. DID FORD HAVE A DRUNKEN ONE NIGHT STAND THE LAST COUPLE DECADES?!? IS HE BACK?!?
THEN THEY SEE STANβS HANDS and itβs like. Hello you are not our father
Anyway assuming they stick around what the hell is that like for Ford he returns from the portal and is just like. Why are my kids here (and still kids?)
HDHSHDJFG thereβs so many funny possibilities Iβd love to hear more
OMIGOD LITERALLY CHEERED AND CLICKED MY HEELS WHEN I SAW THIS. HI π tsym i love them too i should draw them more and write about them more..... and promote them more so i can be like hiii yes ask about them (even tho i do have older posts on nova squirrelled away here somewhere...
Ford ABSOLUTELY falls into the portal... In fact, he falls in with the impression that his awesome children creaturelings are dead or doomed because bill took custody so. Shhhh.
They arrive in Gravity Falls a few months before canon to get time to acclimatise! I love love love when a character from the past has to get used to all this crazy future stuff (or just our present) and the last time Nik and Nova were humans on earth was in the 80s so rip to them π And YES you were spot on about their reaction to Stan it is genuinely "pa?? *sees hands* NOT PA???"
(Wait i just had a brainwave as I was typing this. Very early original lore Bill and Ford are "dad and pa" but now im considering the angst potential of feeling like your evil father as your alien children refer to you with the same name you did to yours... fuuuuuck.... might have to actually think about the lore significance of this or change it or address it this is a good thinking exercise.)
Stan's reaction I did not consider it this way but honestly?? I have not rewritten Nova's (and now also Nik by proxy's) lore since late 2024. I might have to make this canon thank you so much for this idea its hilarious im shaking your hand
They do stick around!! Haven't thought about it too much (but I should) about how they may alter specific episodes with their presence (or simply might not even be in some to supervise their 12 year old errrr. Relatives. They're not cousins, but it would feel weird to be an aunt/uncle/IDK what they would actually be on the tree, wouldn't it? They're too young for this!!!)
Portal and NWHS ATOTS I HAVE thought about though and yes it was going to be painful. Ford's first thought upon seeing them instead is, "who the fuck are these imposters. This is cruel." Because. Well. A part of him has convinced himself along the 30 years that they're long dead or gone because of Bill now. Because he shouldn't allow himself to hope. But no, they're here now (impostors) so he does the first thing he thinks of and pulls his gun on them. And,"who are you and why are you pretending to be... them. What? Are you the shapeshifter, maybe?"
(A part of me worries about ooc whenever i get too self indulgent as i write and story but. Whatever. Follow your dreams)
So obviously Nova is PISSED AS FUCKKKKKKK
Nik is there too but he has a big heart and a scared face. He was literally so happy a second before like he was expecting a fairytale reunion fuck his stupid chungus life π
Nova's like "What the HELL are you on about?"
And Ford's all "My children are dead. Bill Cipher made sure of that a long time ago. The question remains: who are you?"
Every else is live reacting like "what the fuckkkkkkk" lore drop
Nova probably summons flames at some point for the first time in public properly because 1. Gacha/anime/little kid "my powers follow my emotions!!!" And 2. She's been careful not to show off crazy demon powers (of which i ahve not decided the rules of yet. Can't have her too op!) but this is a serious moment.
Anywyas a bunch of other stuff happens... Ford is like "fuckkkk.. theyre real and i fucked up my reunion with them soooo badddd.... i need to hide in the basement and never show my face again....." but they all get along happy times in the end i prommy. GOD i need to get back to their lore... write more oneshots on them as a duo.... there are some old nova comics on here but they are a bit outdate dand before i invented Nik
Anyways. Wow typing this on a phone is eeehgh. THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THEM!!!! Using this now to say you should definitely ask more even about things I haven't figure dout yet because then it will force me to actually think about it and write it down yes yes trust me βΌοΈ
Iβm on Artfight this year for the first time!!!
An art gifting game
Example of attacks I do: (of belongs to @oooo-leanderies )
Will be very happy to become moots there!^^
I just listened to Rachie's Part Time Idol Declaration and in the haze of my incredibly heartfelt emotional feelings of longing and uplifting hope and nostalgia and love of cutesy j-idol style songs i have been beamed with a half-crack AU idea βοΈ
Alright everyone lets hold hands and visualise cutesy idol wannabe stanford pines where he is like minori hanasato from project sekai ok thanks
I think making character playlists is good for you and connected to analysis skills in a very fun way and low investment way. I know its seen as quite trivial but to me it operates the same way looking at a lot of art builds ur skills passively. Yummy enrichment activity
wish everyone could perceive the Vague Concepts in my head because i just know you would looove my Vague Concepts. you would think im so smart if you saw the misty clouds of Vague Concepts floating around in my head. #MyVagueConcepts

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are u joining art fight this year?π
Yes actually!! I forgot to upload my sheet bcs i was going to tweak it a bit oopsie... but heres what its like for now bcs now i cant be bothered to change it
Got some gravity falls ocs there... and a few more people teehee
This au again because i cant stop myself. I got a better hang of the colours here which itches me because i struggled over fords so much... turns out the solution was a lighter colour of lineart... sigh. Whatever man. If i draw more dreamer ford in the future I'll just have to use these guys as my baseline
More au context goes here i have a tag for this now -> #dreamer ford au