Unbetitelt

While Cadence's thought looks like this

#1 "but we don't actually mean all of them" Words have meaning. All means all, and the attempt to backpedal it makes you look like a spineless coward.

#2 "it's just venting" Your way to vent is to happily imagine genocide? That is what killing the entirety of a population for a trait would be, and while you could never do it, people who have those traits will see what you say and hold you to your hatred.

Literally wanting trans men & mascs to accept transphobia, harrassment, fetishisation and bullying from cis men online on the OFF CHANCE that they could potentially be trans women.

trans men lesbians WANT TO BE in lesbian spaces, BECAUSE THEY ARE LESBIANS. they are not being automatically misgendered by being in lesbian spaces (although they may be misgendered interpersonally by transphobic lesbians) because you don't have to be a woman to be a lesbian! why is it that you can be a nonbinary he/ him butch lesbian on t and post top surgery and that's fine and dandy, but as soon as you call yourself a full-time man, you are suddenly barred from lesbianism? what, materially, separates these two people? there is no pure womanly soul in which we can locate one's lesbianism!

this whole stupid argument ultimately comes from a place of lionizing lesbianism as inherently virtuous and special, as a gated community and a club, rather than what it is: a fucking label! a signpost to tell other people who you are! even if these tar pits got their wish and every trans man was kicked out of lesbian spaces tomorrow, it wouldn't stop them from BEING lesbians, and frankly it wouldn't do a god damn thing to help trans women be accepted in those spaces either!

@/bunabyte

Guess misogyny doesn't affevct the people that are viewed and treated like women. Pack it up, lads. We're free!

The problem with being a trans guy with big tits

Someone says something like:

"Trans women are often viewed by society as being predatory men and this stereotype is incredibly harmful to trans women"

This is reasonable and true, it is backed by the material realities and experiences of trans women.

But what if someone responded with:

"Remove the word "trans" from this sentence and it sounds incredibly stupid! Women (cis women) aren't viewed by society as predators! Any trans woman who says she's been viewed as a predator for being a woman must not understand how the world works!"

We can agree that this is a ridiculous argument that ignores the reality of being a trans women in favor of projecting a cis-hetero-patriarchal view of gender onto trans women, while invalidating those who don't fit that framework.