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Angsty idea where Loid, realizing that he has feelings for Yor and that she has feelings for him, panicks!
He can't get more attached, he must stay distant. He can't get involved even more. Not only it would be dangerous for the mission BUT it would only hurt Yor at the end.
He can't bear the idea to get attached to lose anyone else again. Because at the end, he'll have to go, right? It will only hurt her even more, and hurt him too.
(He doesn't think about leaving W.I.S.E yet)
Because this wedding is a lie. Everything is for the mission. He can't imply Yor in his spy life or even more in his lies.
And Twilight is afraid of feelings, of his own feelings. He is afraid to get involved. Getting attached to Anya is a thing (because children needs love), falling in love is another thing.
He could make mistakes, errors of judgment, and put people in danger!
He can't go more close of Yor. He CAN'T! He'll compromise himself! He puts her in danger!!!
So his emotional walls go right back up.
He's more distant.
Loid is now hypervigilant all time, focused on the mission, only the mission.
He's still a loving father for Anya.
But if he's still friendly with Yor, he now puts a distance with her.
And it hurt Yor. "Did he has understand I was in love with him? Does he act that way to keep distance? Did i make him uncomfortable?"
She thinks to have ruined everything (he doesn't want to turn this fake relationship into a real one and she has implied she wanted more, he was very kind, he didn't want to hurt her but now....why did he acts so distant.).
So she decides to act as a friend too. Since it's what he seems to want.
It hurt a lot.
They still put a act outside or in front of Yuri, but it's not as before.
Miscommunications are the worst.
Twilight is terrified to get attached, to lose, to hurt people he grow to deeply care of. And his mission is the most important, if he fails, a war could re-start!
Yor would be immediatly hurt and insecure, unable to understand the problem and thinking it's her fault.
And of course they would not speak about it. They have secrets. Twilight can't explain. Sure he could lie that he's not ready to replace Anya's mother but he lied enough to her...
Miscommunications are really the worst.
Because Twilight could react with fear at his feelings. He would immediately think he is compromised. And he would try to find a way to continue the mission without being even more compromised.
I know he said he loved her in front of SSS officiers but he's a master a disguise, of lies, of manipulation. He could totally fool people, even if they have experiences.
Yeah it's likely that it's probably the truth, but is he conscious that he said the truth then? Is he conscious that he didn't play a role anymore at this point?
Twilight is right, but he has no idea of how much things would have been a DISASTER if he had killed Yuri.
Yeah Yor would have been destroyed. Broken.
Anya would KNOW. She would know that papa killed her uncle and that her mother is broken by this new.
It wouldn't have been easy for her, because the victim wasn't a stranger, it was her uncle (that she likes) that her mother loved a lot. How would she see Twilight after that? Would she be scared of him ("if he killed someone mama deeply loves, what could stop him to do worse?")?
But Yor is a trained assassin, the Thorn Princess. Do you really think she wouldn't search the culprit? That she wouldn't beg Garden to help her?
Even if she learns that Yuri was from the secret police, it wouldn't change anything for her: her baby brother has been murdered.
If Garden ever discover that the spy Twilight from another country is the one who has killed Yuri, she would HUNT him.
Then, there are two solutions.
1) she doesn't discover that Loid is Twilight. she is in love with her brother's murderer without knowing what he did. Can you imagine Loid's mind then? How much guilt would he feel over the years. Could Twiyor really have a happy life with a such lie? With Anya knowing everything and being unable to say anything, that she FEELS the sadness of Yor (and her hate for Twilight), Loid's guilt. It wouldn't end well. You can say that Loid was also in love with Yor and didn't want to lose her but he has still killed her brother (and the guilt would be terrible). The Thorn Princess could also start to kill agents of W.I.S.E while searching for Twilight and the spies realize that Garden is after them (WHY?). Twilight may learn that the Thorn Princess is after him.
2) she find Twilight. And then, it would be horrible. Because what would her feel if she discover that the man she fall in love with is a spy, is here for a mission, probably lied to her multiple time, and is the one who killed her brother (brother who wanted to arrest a spy from another country, brother who was just doing his job). I'm sorry but i don't think that this kind of things is forgivable. I think the moment where she would realize that the man she loves killed Yuri, her feelings would start to vanish. You can't love a man who did that and live with him, have other children with him. Yuri was really precious for Yor, she would NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET his murder.
If Loid had killed Yuri, the Twiyor would be doomed and Loid would have very angry assassin after him.
Conclusion: You were so right to spare Yuri, Twilight, and you have no idea of how much you were!!!
I have had a very angsty idea for a Spy x Family Fanfic, about Yuri because we neeed more Yuri Stories (100% whump) with some Twiyor and family bounding.
But I’m not going to write this fanfic, so I share the idea here for anyone who could be interested.
One day (shortly before the beginning of the manga), something horrible happens, Yuri is 20 and a superior (A OC?) call him. At this moment, he learns that his beloved sister is the Thorn Princess, a assassin. this superior says that it can stay between them, that Yor will never have problems. The proofs will never be found.
In exchange? Well….the superior makes clear what he wants.
"You love being useful, right Briar?"
"You'll be good for your sister's behalf, right?"
And Yuri is forced to obey, to give himself to this man, multiples times. He's disgusted by what he's forced to do. Bu he does it. For Yor.
He hates this kind of men even more now. But he hides it very well, nobody guessed anything. He doesn't say anything. He suffers in silence. He smiles to pretend that everything is ok, especially with Yor. He hides it so well that even w.i.s.e doesn't realize it when they search infos on him.
But Loid realizes it at a point, he has already seen persons who are used by people. He has seen how they hides it, by shame, for their family's safety. He sees all the signs.
Loid doesn't know who. Who would do that to a secret police agent? Probably someone more important. One of his superiors, likely.
Anya feels that something is horrible with her uncle but she doesn't know what (since he never thought about it when he's with the Forger). So she tries to give him comfort because her uncle is distressed (she feels it).
Yor starts to be worried, something is strange with Yuri. But she CAN'T guess what really happens.
But Twilight sees it. He does some search. He discovers who blackmail Yuri, even if he doesn't realize what is the blackmail (at a point, he thinks it's about him).
Will Loid kill the superior?
Yes.
If he hates something, it's people who are doing that kind of things to men or women.
After that, the family is recovering, and Loid really tries to hide he's a spy to his brother-in-law (and we know how it's going).
If you like this idea, you are free to take it =)
It can be Twiyor, of course, but the whole point of this fic is Yuri wumps, and familial love.
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Sérieux quand on y pense, Louis XIV avait vraiment le frère le plus loyal qui soit, prêt à tout pour lui, qui avait fait preuve de beaucoup de bravoure POUR LUI. Il a littéralement gagné des batailles pour lui....et il aimait sa famille.
Et Louis a agit comme si il le prenait personnellement.
Il avait vraiment pas conscience de la chance qu'il avait.
Je veux dire quand tu regarda l'histoire, les cadets vraiment loyaux à leur grand frère le roi étaient plutôt rares. Y en avait quelque uns quand même, et certains l'étaient plus par opportunisme que par affection (les frères de Louis XVI par exemple).
Louis 14 avait aussi de la chance que Philippe soit un modèle de patience, avec toutes les frustrations qu'il lui a infligé. ^^" (je pense que quelqu'un d'autre aurait craqué bien plus tôt)
Tragiquement, le SEUL moment où Philippe a VRAIMENT pété les plombs et a hurlé sur son frangin, c'était même pas pour lui mais pour son fils et ça l'a tué, littéralement.
Et le pire c'est que Louis aimait son frère, mais ça l'a pas empêché d'être profondément injuste envers lui, malgré tout ce qu'il lui permettait à côté.
C'est la faute de Gaston d'Orléans tout ça; si seulement il avait été un meilleur frère/soutien pour Louis XIII au lieu de comploter contre lui, Anne d'Autriche aurait pas ressenti le besoin de faire en sorte que ça n'arrive pas entre ses fils.
soupiiiiiiiiiirrrr mais tellement. Je pense que Louis a été élevé d'une façon vraiment moisie de manière générale qui l'a transformé en gros taré mégalo, hyper jaloux et eeeextrêêêêêêêêêêmement sensible à la comparaison.
Tbf, toute l'histoire de Gaston est fort nuancée et ce n'est pas que sa faute, Mazarin et Anne d'Autriche ont aussi beaucoup entretenu ce sentiment et la Fronde a vraiment fini de façonner ce sentiment, sans parler du retournement du Grand Condé...........
C'est très triste pour Philippe, c'est sûr ; surtout que sa docilité était vue comme une marque de faiblesse par beaucoup, il était perdant quoiqu'il arrive...
est-ce que tu pourrais en dire plus que Effiat? Je sais que c'était un minion aussi et si il était aussi proche du futur Régent, c'est que Philippe I lui faisait confiance non?
Désolé d'avoir mis 300 ans à répondre à ceci !
Alors on ne sait pas grand, grand chose sur lui. Il venait d'une famille d'aristocrates bien établie et qui s'était fort enrichie ; son oncle, le Marquis de Cinq-Mars, est très connu pour avoir fomenté contre Richelieu durant la fameuse "conspiration de Cinq-Mars, ce qui lui a valu d'être exécuté, au grand désespoir de Louis XIII dont il était le favori (et il semblerait que Louis XIII ait été amoureux de lui, au passage).
Antoine lui-même est assez difficile à appréhender car on a peu de témoignages à son sujet. Trois sortent du lot, un qui l'encense comme étant un homme très raffiné, cultivé et agréable, et puis deux, Liselotte et Saint-Simon sans surprise, qui le décrivent comme étant la pire merde ayant jamais existé. De St-Simon à ce stade c'est presque attendu, et de Liselotte j'estime que ça doit être dû à une série de biais personnels, notamment à l'encontre du style de vie d'Antoine qu'elle réprouvait et ne voulait pas voir devenir une influence sur son fils (gros ratage) et suite aux rumeurs concernant l'empoisonnement. Elle a bien insisté sur à quel point il aimait les jeunes hommes et les prostitué(e)s.
Le reste, and the english translation below ⬇️⬇️⬇️
Son rôle officiel était donc grand écuyer et grand veneur de Monsieur (donc, maître des chiens de chasse et des chevaux), et assez rapidement gouverneur de Montargis. Monsieur a voulu en faire le précepteur de Philippe II, mais Liselotte a violemment rejeté l'idée, et d'un témoignage à l'autre, Louis semblait plus ou moins inintéressé par l'idée. Ce que ça laisse entendre, et qui est confirmé par ce premier portrait cité, c'est qu'il était probablement bien cultivé et intelligent. Vu qu'il était le meilleur ami du chevalier, qui lui-même était très cultivé et aimait discuter et débattre, ce n'est pas trop surprenant.
CORRECTION (merci bic): il aurait été proposé comme gouverneur et non précepteur, ce qui implique des moeurs exemplaire, ce pour quoi clairement Antoine n'était pas à la hauteur.... probablement? en tout cas, d'après Liselotte et Saint-Simon.
Il a été aussi décrit comme étant froid et n'ayant pas de coeur ni de scrupule. Après le décès de sa femme au début des années 80, après 20 ans de mariage sans enfant, il ne s'est jamais remarié. Il est toute sa vie resté loyal à la maison d'Orléans. Il suivait toujours Monsieur à la guerre, ou dans ses démarches caritatives. On sait qu'il avait, comme Chev, des tendances plutôt solitaires vers la fin de sa vie, où il aimait s'isoler dans ses propriétés pendant plusieurs semaines. On sait aussi qu'il n'était pas très grand, et qu'il portait une perruque blonde.
Dans l'ensemble, le portrait est à la fois nuancé et très superficiel, c'est presque impossible de savoir quel genre de personnalité il a pu avoir, si ce n'est qu'il était partisan de la pensée libertine et qu'il aimait beaucoup s'amuser. Personnellement, la lecture que j'en ai est encore en train de se définir. Je l'imagine comme réfléchissant beaucoup mais gardant aussi beaucoup pour lui, aimant Monsieur, Chev et leur entourage parce qu'il partage leur amour de l'amusement, de la légèreté et du mode de vie libertin. Je pense que c'était quelqu'un de très loyal et fort dévoué, preuve étant sa loyauté tant à Chev qu'à Monsieur et sa famille. Il a été personellement impliqué dans plusieurs démarches de réconciliations entre Monsieur et Chev, a toujours semblé confortable en tant que "second". Ce qui ressort de tout ça à mes yeux, c'est qu'il voulait vivre sa vie pénard et rester proche des gens qu'il appréciait, et faisait au mieux pour le leur montrer.
Au final, ce qui est fascinant avec lui, c'est qu'il a été aux côtés de Monsieur presque aussi longtemps que Chev, et s'est toujours contenté de cette situation semble-t-il. Je dirais que ça en dit long sur lui. -- Et pour répondre à ta question, je pense que Phil I avait toutes les raisons de lui faire confiance, oui !
(et ça vaut quand même la peine de mentionner qu'il a du voir mourir ses deux amis/amants les plus proches l'un juste après l'autre................. )
ENGLISH
Can you say more about Effiat? I know that he was also a minion and that he was close to the future Regent as well, it must mean that Philippe I trusted him, right?
So we don't really know much about him. He came from an established artistocratic family that got pretty wealthy; his uncle, the marquis de Cinq-Mars, was infamous for having plotted against Richelieu in the well known "conspiration of Cinq-Mars", which got him executed, much to Louis XIII's despair, as he was his favorite (and it seems like Louis XIII was in love with him, btw.)
Antoine himself is rather hard to get a proper idea of as we don't have many accounts describing him. Three are most prevalent, one that praises him as being a very refined, cultivated and agreeable man, and then two, Liselotte and Saint-Simon, to nobody's surprise, who describe him as being the most vile piece of shit that ever existed. By this point, it's pretty much expected from St-Simon; and as for Liselotte I think it's due to a bunch of personal biases, notably against his lifestyle that she disapproved and didn't want to see have an influence on her son (huge failure there) and of course due to the poisoning rumors. Liselotte insisted on how much Antoine liked young men and prostitutes.
His official role was thus master of Monsieur's horses and war dogs, and soon enough governor of Montargis. Monsieur wanted to make him Philippe II's preceptor, but Liselotte violently rejected the idea and, from one account to the other, Louis was more or less uninterested in the proposition. What it hints at, and which is confirmed by the first aforementioned description, is that he was probably quite cultivated and intelligent. Given that his best friend was Chev, himself a very cultivated man who liked to discuss and debate, it isn't too surprising.
CORRECTION (tysm bic): he would have been suggested as governor, which implies an irreproachable lifestyle, which clearly Antoine wasn't qualified for (or at least, according to Liselotte and St-Simon...)
He was also described as cold, heartless and unscrupulous. After his wife passed away in the early 80s after 20 years of a childless marriage, he never remarried. He remained loyal to the house of Orleans his entire life. He followed Monsieur to war or in his charity actions. We know that he grew, like Chev, a tendency towards being more solitary towards the end of his life and that he liked to isolate himself in his properties for several weeks. We also know that he was rather short, and that he wore a blonde wig.
Overall, the portrait is both nuanced and quite shallow, it's almost impossible to know what kind of personality he had, aside from being a partisan of the libertine movement and that he liked having a lot of fun. Personally, I'm still in the progress of defining my understanding of him. I imagine him as thinking a lot but keeping a lot to himself, liking Monsieur, Chev and their entourage because he shares their love for entertainment, lightheartedness and libertine lifestyle. I think he was someone really loyal and devoted, proof being his loyalty to both Chev and Monsieur and his family. He was personally involved in a bunch of reconciliation manoeuvers between Monsieur and Chev, and has always seemed comfortable being the "second". What comes out of that, in my eyes, is that he wanted to live his life peacefully and remain close to people he liked, and did his best to show that.
Ultimately, what's fascinating with him, is that he's been by Monsieur's side for almost as long as Chev and that he was seemingly always content with that situation. I think it says a lot about him. --And to answer your question, I think Phil I had all the reasons to trust him, yeah!
(and it's also worth mentioning that he had to watch both of his closest friends/lovers die within one year of each other..................................)
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"Who Is Superman? A Private Interview with Lois Lane" a fancomic about hope and connection.
I've had this story in mind for so long and I'm very excited to be able to share it at last. Thank you for reading, and happy Lunar New Year!
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For reasons I cannot explain (actually I can, I wanted Philippe badly imitating an italian accent), I have made a comic of Philippe imitating Mazarin for his friends. It's not as funny as I hoped it would be, but I think it does a decent job of characterizing them the way I imagine them, so enjoy!
Next pages, some explanations, ainsi que la version française below! ⬇️⬇️⬇️
Aside from this bad italian accent thing, I wanted to depict one of the ways they were known to entertain themselves with: comedy, mockery and mimickry. Mazarin not being very well liked, and Philippe having had a complex relationship with him, it felt fitting.
This comic is set very early in Philippe and Henriette's marriage, which took place three weeks after Mazarin passed away. For the anecdote, they couldn't make a big ceremony and had to get married in grieving outfits which I'm sure they were DELIGHTED about...........
That is to say, it also explains why they still get along quite well at this point. It's likely before anything began between Henriette and Louis, and during these times Philippe also kept his relationship with Armand quite secret (mind you, a lot of people knew, Henriette included, most likely).
Mazarin deserves his own article one day, for those who aren't familiar with him, so I won't get into the details of why he was so loathed, but one of the reasons was that he was italian. However, his relationship with Louis was excellent; he was his godfather, but Louis pretty much saw him as a father figure. The same cannot be said of Philippe, who's been pretty much ignored by Mazarin most of his life. While some historians have been particularly vicious about it, more moderate ones still acknowledge that Mazarin didn't pay him much mind and, like Anne of Austria, was far more focused on Louis than on Philippe. As a result, Philippe didn't like him, and was reported to be quite impolite towards him during his teens (not greeting him when he entered a room or not showing the appropriate marks of respect expected from him).
For both Anne of Austria and Mazarin, Philippe's behavior during Louis' illness in 1658 resulted in a growth of their respect and appreciation for him. While Anne of Austria apologized to Philippe about having taken so long to properly see him, I don't know if Mazarin ever said the same, and I feel like it's not much of a reach to imagine that Philippe never truly got over the way Mazarin never saw him as a son the way he did Louis -- which is also why I believe he'd be capable of spoofing him as such.
Two additional notes on the content of the dialogues:
Philippe as Mazarin says that he and Armand share "not a vice, but a grand refinement"; this refers to the italian vice, a euphemism for homosexuality, which Mazarin was """accused""" of by the people and which Anne of Austria also alleged.
Henriette speaks of "Monseigneur's lights seeming a little far apart"; this is précieuse slang for being confused.
Hope you enjoyed!
FR:
Je remets ici les petites notes concernant les dialogues:
Philippe en Mazarin dit que lui et Armand partagent "non pas un vice mais un grand raffinement"; il fait bien sûr référence au vice italien, euphémisme pour homosexualité, dont Mazarin était """accusé""" et qu'Anne d'Autriche a elle-même affirmé.
Henriette dit que "les lumières de Monseigneurs semblent quelque peu éloignées"; c'est de l'argot précieuse voulant dire que quelqu'un est confus.
everytime i see someone be like "why tf didnt odysseus just go on land to avoid the sea" bro poseidon is ALSO the god of earthquakes and horses, he had no fucking options open
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