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I finally remembered my Tumblr password. Havenāt been here for months. What do I see? My friends talking about OUaT. That show hasnāt been canceled yet?

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Iāve very rarely on Tumblr now that I now longer watch OUaT, but stopping by to see that CSers are losing their shit because, apparently, the entire arc didnāt revolve around Hook makes me smile.
Havenāt been on Tumblr in forever. And havenāt watched OUaT for almost a year. But I just checked in on some of my favourite Rumbellers. Seems that things are still shite for a couple I spent 3+ years loving (and almost 2 years tolerating, hoping it would get better). I just skimmed the Rumbelle thread. That thereās a post in there championing the idea of Hook ābangingā Belle while taunting Rumpel tells me everything I need to know.
Hereās some more comments in that awful ew article.
The thing is these type comments are nothing new. Ā Even back in the glory days of OUAT when Rumbelle was at its height of popularity and the writers treated their story as a love story, these were the SAME comments you would see from the naysayers. Ā The superficial faction of fans are all so willing to buy the destruction of Rumbelle because it fit with their already biased mindset.
Sadly I wonder if those female executives, who clamored and salivated over a certain character to be on the show, have thoughts that fall in line with these comments.Ā
More of this shit?
Anyone who thinks this way ā come in my inbox off anon and letās chat. I fucking DARE YOU.
Well, the top one is in high school. I know, I knowāwe have plenty of high-schoolers who are smart enough to recognize Robertās talent and civil enough not to make rude comments about peopleās looks, but not everyone is that mature yet.Ā
Wanting the Beast to be ābetter lookingā? Seems this person rather missed the whole point of Beauty and the Beast.
The sneak peek #2 is ludicrous . What a silly excuse not stay at grannyās place . I donāt know whether to laugh at that scene or puke . It would have been more understandable for her to say I need a secluded place to think where I wonāt run into my husband .
Iād rather sleep on one of the cots in the jail than on Hookās putrid ship.
So very glad I stopped watching this after the Hook the Hero murders Merlin arc.

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Rumbelle support to everyone
Only one episode in and weāre already falling apart as a fandom.
I long for the days where it was the Rumbelle fandom as a united front against the haters and at times the showrunners.
Ā I miss too the days when almost the entire OUAT fandom was a group that supported each other, but those days are long long gone.Ā
Weāve split into so many factions it seems. Those that support Belle at all costs and come across hostile towards Rumple. Those that support Rumple at all costs and are hostile towards Belle.
Those that try to stay neutral but even the slightest move in either direction with criticisms gets jumped on.Ā
Those that are trying their damnedest to support each viewpoint because in the end we all really just love Rumbelle and know that the writers ruined things when the decided Rumple wanted to rule the world in s4. and now heās a gangster that makes deals with everyone and cheats them..Ā
Then thereās the few that are so positive that they see all this as a necessary storyline that will pay off big. Thatās where I want to be, but I am not. I donāt trust weāre going to get the payoff people are hoping for. That wonāt be Bold Storytelling.Ā
Iām not sure where I fall because i have friends in all the categories and I understand each of them. And I feel like Iām going to cry out of frustration because I want to let all of you know that I agree, but then I get worried that if I agree and discuss one person pov then others will assume that Iām being a hater..
I really wish we could come together as a fandom and do something. At first I was thinking of getting the attention of ABC , OUAT, and Adam by trying to start an event that will trend of Twitter. It seems that Adam gives people what they want if they annoy him enough, or he quitsĀ Twitter for an hour.
So at first I was thinking of suggesting we start a trend about Eddyās constant hostility towards us with (I canāt recall waht Violet and I said) But we could show all the quotes, etc that were positive and how wrong Eddy was/is. Because at the moment I am salty about Eddyās comments regarding us as a fandom. He says the same f*ing thing every year but only this year he took it even farther. And then Adam tweets about how grateful he was to the Oncers that watched on Sunday and I just felt livid. Why would I support you when Eddy just slapped me in the face?
But that may be too negative for us to get enough Rumbelle fans and supporters to join us. Ā What about something positive? Something to remind them that we love Rumbelle and why. Post quotes, moments, that contradict what they say in interviews. That they canāt deter our love and hope for Rumbelle?
Think something like that will get noticed and may unite us? Weāre so splintered that at times I donāt think fics and beautiful art will sustain us when the canon is so depressing.
Sending hugs and a life jacket. This ship is in very choppy waters. Hold on and avoid the sharks.
I think it could work and I think gathering quotes with Eddie insulting us works because anger at Eddie seems to be one thing we all agree on. Maybe even ask for support from other fandoms? OQ and SQ would help.
I think we should do the Twitter trend thing. As much as I want to do anti Eddy (and I suggest we do build up the file of crappy things heās said to us and just in general, like how heād enjoy being Reginaās sex slave), thatās something thatās bound to put the fandom beyond the pale. Letās save it.
For the time being Iād suggest positive trends (with one exception), like RumbelleIsHope. But I also think a REALLY useful one would be something likeĀ āRumbelle are Beauty and the Beastā (except I donāt know from hashtags so it would have to be shorter and easier) and just bombard ABC/Disney with all the BatB iconography that Kitsowitz have coopted in cynical manipulation.
The one negative trend I really need to see, though, is something anti-Kill Beauty. Hatred for that is one of the few things that unite this fandom.
i donāt know if there are enough Rumbellers left to actually make something trend but we can certainly make an impression on Adam and ABC.
Unfortunately, Rumbelle has trended on twitter numerous times (remember that B&tB dance that had 4 separate hashtags trending simultaneously?). A&E donāt care. They either ignore the Rumbelle fandom completely or act passive-aggressively. I find it mind-boggling that show runners could be gifted with something like Rumbelle that resonated immediately and profoundly with so many fans and theyāve intentionally destroyed it.
Did Belle say that Rumple
ā¦never let TLK wake him up? Does sheā¦does she know he tried to TLK her in the UW at the price of losing his powers? Or is she still going on the argument they had beforehand?
Heās tried it at least twice during the course of the show: when she was in the hospital after losing her memory, and later in the Underworld.
After she regained her Belle memories later on, she shouldāve realized that Rumple had attempted TLK when she woke up/screamed at the hospital.
Iām not sure she should/would have. Theyād kissed constantly in SB and it hadnāt broken his curse, so why would she think he could have broken hers?
The problem isnāt so much that Belle has no memories of anything, but that the writers have no memory of anything that Belle has experienced, said, or done.
Why do you think that A&E and the writers have been portraying Rumplestiltskin's character more and more uncharacteristically dark ever since 3B? To be fair, they've ruined all of these beautiful characters to the point of being unrecognizable, but it seems like they have had a particular personal bias against Rumple and Rumbelle ever since the end of 3B with the writing. It breaks my hear too because Rumplestiltskin has always been my favorite character too. I feel your hatred of this show.
Hey, anon! I saw this message earlier, but I was on mobile and wasnāt able to reply until now. I hope you see this!
If you were looking for a short answer, here it is: the writers have a boner for Hook, and theyāve thrown Rumple and Rumbelle under the bus because of it. Along with practically every otherĀ character, including Hook himself.
If you were looking for a long answer, here it is: from a writerās perspective, what this boils down to is nothing more than poor planning. Season one, as well as the first half of season two, felt cohesive. It felt like a story that the writers had put genuine thought and effort into. It flowed, it made sense, it was enjoyable to watch because it included a little of everything: there was action, romance, humor, good vs. evil, parent/child relationships, etc. It never felt stagnant. Each of the characters, even the minor ones, were treated fairly. They had some importance to the plot, be it big or small. They werenāt flat. There were characters we loved, characters we hated, characters we loved to hate⦠but they were well written.Ā
I didnāt hate the show OUAT used to be. It was mid-season two when things began to roll downhill. They didnāt plan ahead. They steamrolled into Neverland and gave us a half-assed plot, complete with a half-assedĀ āredemptionā for Hook. The Lost Boys were barely touched upon, the Darlings were used as a plot device in what should have been their story, Pan was a confusing villain (and his feelings towards Rumple are still a source of confusion for me ā was he possessed by the shadow? did he genuinely care about his son, hence theĀ āthinking treeā and naming himself after the doll? was he being honest when he said that heād never loved him? Pan was all over the board and it doesnāt add up), and what could have been an incredible arc was⦠lackluster at best.
It only got worse from there. The lack of planning on the writersā part made consequent arcs just⦠confusing, to say the least. Theyāre retconned most of the first season for the sake of making their current plots make sense. The guest stars have no depth to their characters and are used solely for views (AKA, the Frozen crew) or as plot devices (poor Rapunzel). The villains, too, are not as intimidating as the Evil Queen was in season one. Regina was the primary antagonist, followed by Rumple, who acted as more of an anti-villain. Not a hero, but nor was he entirely working against the heroes. Hook entered into season two, alongside Cora, as the primary villain.Ā
Cora died. Hook wasĀ āredeemed.ā Regina had more or less joined the heroes by mid-season three. Rumple, too, was redeemed by his sacrifice in 3.11. That left the series in late season three without a primary villain. Again, due to poor planning, the writers had to make a decision. Somebody had to revert from theĀ āgoodā side, and it sure as hell wasnāt going to be their new romantic lead.Ā
Theyāve done not only Rumple and the others an injustice, but Hook, too. His redemption doesnāt seem believable because it was rushed. Theyāve framed the story around CS with very little lead-up, which is a discredit to both characters, and the other characters have been OOC since 3b in order for the story to make a lick of sense.
Sadly, it still doesnāt.Ā
Choosing to stop watching the show was a long time coming for me, but after the train wreck that was 5a, I canāt handle the disappointment anymore.Ā
tl;dr The writers didnāt plan past 2a, and in their desire toĀ āredeemā Hook and set him alongside the heroes, they were forced to throw everyone else (and their characterization) under the bus.
I see no lies in any of this. I, myself, am not watching S6 live. Maybe, Iāll watch a few of Rumbelle episodes if I hear anything good in the spoilers, but I also can no longer stand the disappointment. I love Rumple and Belle too much to see their characters keep getting destroyedThe show is now fully plot versus character driven, no oneās thoughts/feelings/motives are much explored anymore, their decisions have little emotionally complex explanation, and everyone and everything revolves around Hookās āredemption.ā
Iām still watching because I tend to be loyal. However my expectations are low. I wouldnāt put it past them to write something that makes me angry enough to quit though. I agree wth most of whatās been said here.
I am hate watching the show at this point, which makes me sad. And angry.
But all of the comments by the OP are true. A show like OUAT isnāt a show that you can just plan as you go. Most fanfic writers I know have a clear plan of where theyāre going and how theyāre getting there before the write one word down, or at LEAST by the first few chapters.
We are six seasons in and these guys clearly donāt know WTF theyāre doing. And it SHOWS.
Couldnāt agree more with what the OP said. I stopped watching at the end of 5A (and wish I stopped watching before that). I still follow what Rumpel, Belle, and Rumbelle fans have to say, hoping that Iāll see something positive that will make me want to catch up on Netflix. Iāve yet to see anyone who isnāt a Hook fan have anything positive to say (and even some Hook fans seem tired of The Captain Swan Show).
whitesheepcbd replied to your post āWhere do you think Lily and Mal are right now? What are they doing?ā
I love your idea of Mal and Belle being friendsā¦āepic nerdsā, ha!
I think theyād be fun together. Mal and Rumple relate on a near-equals sort of way, in age, in experience. Mal knows many things that only Rumple also does. Belle is intrigued by darkness, likes knowledge of knowledges sake, they could have cute arguments about magical theory and elvish.Ā
I think theyād be great.Ā
Okay, I need this now. And just the visuals will be fun, since Kristen is so tall and Emilie is so teeny-tiny.Ā
Can they become best friends fast enough for Maleficent to be the Rumbambinoās fairy godmother? Because how hilarious would that be? (Imagine Aurora and Philip at the christening looking very very scolding.)
The only problem Iād have with Belle and Mal being friends is that Mal has threatened, used, and objectified Belle both in the pre-curse past and in the very recent past. Then again, who hasnāt used and abused Belle on this show?
I think Belle is a very forgiving person (sheās friends with Hook and Regina after all, and Hook shot her and punched her, Mal only kidnapped her and threatened her). I think Malās come a long way since losing and regaining Lily.
Holding Belleās heart hostage in Reginaās office while working Regina may have actually been with Belleās consent, depending on how you look at it. We donāt know if Regina took her heart or asked for it, so in the recent past, I think they could be friends.
We do know that Belle didnāt consent to having her heart ripped out and to be used as a meat puppet. Not only did the show make that clear, but the writers confirmed it.
When did the writers confirm it?
In one of the end of the season interviews.
whitesheepcbd replied to your post āWhere do you think Lily and Mal are right now? What are they doing?ā
I love your idea of Mal and Belle being friendsā¦āepic nerdsā, ha!
I think theyād be fun together. Mal and Rumple relate on a near-equals sort of way, in age, in experience. Mal knows many things that only Rumple also does. Belle is intrigued by darkness, likes knowledge of knowledges sake, they could have cute arguments about magical theory and elvish.Ā
I think theyād be great.Ā
Okay, I need this now. And just the visuals will be fun, since Kristen is so tall and Emilie is so teeny-tiny.Ā
Can they become best friends fast enough for Maleficent to be the Rumbambinoās fairy godmother? Because how hilarious would that be? (Imagine Aurora and Philip at the christening looking very very scolding.)
The only problem Iād have with Belle and Mal being friends is that Mal has threatened, used, and objectified Belle both in the pre-curse past and in the very recent past. Then again, who hasnāt used and abused Belle on this show?
I think Belle is a very forgiving person (sheās friends with Hook and Regina after all, and Hook shot her and punched her, Mal only kidnapped her and threatened her). I think Malās come a long way since losing and regaining Lily.
Holding Belleās heart hostage in Reginaās office while working Regina may have actually been with Belleās consent, depending on how you look at it. We donāt know if Regina took her heart or asked for it, so in the recent past, I think they could be friends.
We do know that Belle didnāt consent to having her heart ripped out and to be used as a meat puppet. Not only did the show make that clear, but the writers confirmed it.

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whitesheepcbd replied to your post āWhere do you think Lily and Mal are right now? What are they doing?ā
I love your idea of Mal and Belle being friendsā¦āepic nerdsā, ha!
I think theyād be fun together. Mal and Rumple relate on a near-equals sort of way, in age, in experience. Mal knows many things that only Rumple also does. Belle is intrigued by darkness, likes knowledge of knowledges sake, they could have cute arguments about magical theory and elvish.Ā
I think theyād be great.Ā
Okay, I need this now. And just the visuals will be fun, since Kristen is so tall and Emilie is so teeny-tiny.Ā
Can they become best friends fast enough for Maleficent to be the Rumbambinoās fairy godmother? Because how hilarious would that be? (Imagine Aurora and Philip at the christening looking very very scolding.)
The only problem Iād have with Belle and Mal being friends is that Mal has threatened, used, and objectified Belle both in the pre-curse past and in the very recent past. Then again, who hasnāt used and abused Belle on this show?
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Will always love Belle. (Hated the leather booties shorts, though).
Iām not too worked up by the THR interview. I always take everything EK says with a grain of salt, to be honest. If they want to throw a stupid ridiculous ātwistā into the Rumbelle relationship, fine whatever it sucks but itās basically rinse and repeat what weāve been seeing. I just donāt think thereās any way this child ends up tearing them apart instead of bringing them together, and stronger than ever. So Iām gonna just let it play out. Not to mention barring a time jump or a spell then Belle is going to pregnant for quite a while on the show. So they have loads of time to kiss and make up.
Thanks for this outlook. Ā Iām reblogging so others can see it. Ā And Iām where you are at too. Ā Anything EK says anymore is a giant eyeroll to me. Ā And there is a whole tumblr blog (canāt remember the name of it) that has evidence of themĀ āsayingā things in interviews and then completely changing their minds or not doing it at all. Ā They donāt always follow through, a lot of times they dont. Ā
Once upon a time (pun intended) this would ruffle my feathers, but now itās just par for the course. Ā The fact the season isnāt divided I think is also a good thing, because when they make up we wonāt have to wait until episode 11 or ep 22. Ā It could happen at anytime. Ā And whoās to say that thisĀ ābad placeā they are in even lasts 2 episodes? Ā I donāt know, there are too many moving parts and uncertainties for me to really be worried about it, or think itās definitely going to go the way it sounds.
Iām just going to wait and see what happens.
I like theĀ āwait-and-seeā approach, b/c as I said elsewhere, that quote can be taken a couple different ways. All we really know for sure from that quote is that Rumbelle will experience conflict this season, whichā¦.duh. Iām willing to wait and find out if the conflict is internal (relationship troubles) or external (the two of them united against a common enemy) or a mixture of both.Ā
Good call everyone. Kneejerk reacting to these yahoos is the worst thing we can do. Iām guilty of it, too!
Itās my nature to expect the worst, but I will say that Eddy often speaks out of his ass. In 4B he wasĀ āteasingā Rumple doing something terrible to Belle and/or Will (āThe last time someone stole Rumpleās wife, he lost a hand!ā), and of course nothing of the sort ever materialized. I canāt remember exactly what Kitsis said about the S5 finale but Iām sure it was something unpleasant about Rumple, and again Rumple did nothing bad (except possibly colluding with Hyde under extreme duress).Ā
On the other hand in 5A, Eddyās only clue to the shocking swerve wasĀ āMaybe Rumple doesnāt think being good is as much fun,ā which didnāt play out onscreen at all either.
Agreed, Violet. On the other hand, the last time A&E said weād see Belleās strength and independence, the writers threw her into an ill-conceived, under-developed rebound relationship. I very much doubt weāll see Belle get any sort of genuine storyline. Sheāll get her usual centric with that weekās Special Disney Princess and then the writers will forget she exists for the next 3 episodes.
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Is there anything Adam Horowitz can tell us about Rumbelle during season 6 of Once Upon a Time? ā rumbelletrueluv
What if I let Emilie de Ravin tell you about Belle getting out of the box? āThe way she is extracted, how it happens and the characters that are involved is really cool, and it reveals a lot about her relationship and her past/future,ā de Ravin says, noting that the show will explore more of Belleās independence this season. āItās been a long time coming. Now that sheās pregnant, and now that she knows that itās not really just about her anymore, she has to take responsibility for this other little person. Thatās making her head spin a little bit with regard to, āOkay, I can spend my life trying to fix this person, whether itās for me or for him, but if itās affecting someone else now, itās a game changer.ā It puts a little bit of spanner in the works for their marriage for a bit. Thereās some alone time to be had.ā
A Rumbelle break-up? Terrific. Glad to see the writers being original. Taking bets now on which of them will be asleep or unconscious at the end of 6A, how many times Belle will be threatened, assaulted, and/or kidnapped, how many times Rumpel will be condemned for doing precisely the same things that the āheroesā do and for the same motivations. ZZZzzzzzzz.
Let's do an experiment..
Reblog this if you think you would lose interest and stop warching OUAT if Rumplestiltskin died and Robert Carlyle left the show.
Please note, I am not talking about a boycott which is silly. Iām talking about just not finding it interesting anymore.
Absolutely. Rumple, Belle and Rumbelle (+baby) are the only reason Iām still here. If any one of those three are written out,Ā Iām out. The show just isnāt interesting to me without them. Ā
I already have lost interest in 90% of the show other than them.Ā
Iāve already stopped watching. 5A was the last straw for me.

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I don't mean to be rude, I love Annlett with the whole of my soul, but I am getting tired of the Abe bashing from our pocket of the fandom
Itās okay, youāre not being rude! And hey, I hear ya. I really do see how that must get tiring, and I apologize if Iāve gotten overzealous with my comments about himāwhether those comments were intended humorously or not. I donāt mean to attack Abe fans or Jamie Bellās performance or to imply that Abe fans are in any way āwrongā for liking him.
That said, however, I reserve the right to just ⦠not like Abe. And to be pissed at him for some of his actions throughout the series (such as his recent treatment of Anna, which I found very unsympathetic), and to express that Iām pissed at him. I donāt know to what extent youāre tired specifically of my comments about Abe versus the Annlett fandomās comments in general, but I canāt really speak for the whole fandom, so ⦠I guess all I can tell you is how I personally feel about him.
In the end, however, I do seek to be balanced and open-minded (though I freely admit that Abe, along with Richard, is a character who tests me in that), and I want my blog to be a welcoming space, so I truly do appreciate you pointing this out. Iāll keep your concern in mind.
I donāt think we were supposed to like Abe this season. His entire journey was the depicting the slow loss of his more human instincts in the service of The Cause. The courtroom scene in the finale, when he confessed to feeling responsible for his brotherās death, was his āturnā back to the person he had been previously; that scene was full of regret and self-loathing (and Jamie Bell was amazing showing that). Thatās how I saw it at least. This season, weāve seen Abe willing to be cruelly and destructively manipulative in his treatment of both the Townsends and Anna. I donāt believe that the narrative was framed to encourage us to approve of what he did.
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