Me myself and Ly

She makes fun of him cause he has a protein shake with eggs for breakfast and calls him gym bro until he has to tickle her until she gives up

speaking of which, she’s extremely ticklish and it’s one of his favorite things about her 

He teases her cause she gets extremely competitive over tv games (he’s just trying to mask how turned on he is) 

she says “I love you” for the first time closing the door on her way to work so she can have plausible deniability but he heard her. His face hurt for so much smiling all day

he says “I love you” for the first time mumbling before falling asleep by her side. He says it like it’s the most normal thing in the world and closes his eyes playing with her curls completely relaxed while she spent the next two hours staring at the ceiling giddy and panicked at the same time

they don’t write vows BUT he leaves an handwritten letter listing the reasons he loves her and the ways she saved his life on her pillow and then he gets worried when he finds her sobbing

the first picture they take was in his cabin, by the lake. A neighbors informed him of a leak and she insisted on tagging along. He’s super sweaty and she’s holding a hammer and it’s a selfie he immediately puts on as his lockscreen

his Former MIL cried when he informs her of Samira’s existence, and then she cries some more when she met her. She’s happy for Jack and she’s also relieved he didn’t chase a ghost But a very much different person

the first fight they have is over the fact he flirted a little too much with a NICU nurse and she went to Samira to ask for his number. She rips him a new one and he finds it both funny and hot and Samira becomes furious

he realizes he loves her in a way he never loved the late Mrs Abbot. He loved her deeply, for sure, and he doesn’t know if it was young love or the weight of his unresolved issues but what he feels for Samira is on another level and the first time he realizes it he books an extra therapy session cause guilt is eating him alive.

Samira is not exactly inexperienced when it comes to sex but has always stayed very vanilla cause she was always too insecure or not comfortable, while with Jack she learns to let go and ask for what she wants

he prefers morning sex, but morning is a concept that doesn’t exactly aligns with their schedules and so he’s a waking up at whatever hour sex truther

She makes sure to answer to birthday wishes and send them on his group chats

He introduces her to the three army pals he’s still in contact with. She knew one of them from the VA hospital

The first time Robby comes over for drinks after Samira moves in, he shows up uninvited. Jack doesn’t have the time to text her so when she comes back she’s taken aback but not as much as Robby.

His older sister becomes a grandma around the time Samira is 7 months pregnant and it sends him into a spiral even though said sister became a mother at 17 and is now 53

they decide to get married at the courthouse because Samira doesn’t like to be centre stage for the days an Hindu wedding requires and without his father it just hits different. Jack offers to do whatever she wants, but in the end she just opts for a Mehndi and he kisses the JA he spent hours trying to find until it fades, and everyday after

early in their relationship she’s shoved to a wall by a drunk patient and loses consciousness and he prays for the first time since his confirmation

he doesn’t faint when they see the two fetuses on the screen out of respect for Samira who’s actually the one who will to push them out but he dissociates for a good 20 seconds

she’s the one to see there’s two of them and then she snatches the echograph from the technician’s hands and mutters you’re never landing hands on me again (they barely make it to the front door)

doesn’t matter who’s driving, Jack’s hand is on her tight. He learns to love Lorde and Oasis

The Combo grey sweatpants and readers on drives her absolutely crazy, and if by chance the readers are on the tip of his nose cause he dozed off she wakes him up already naked (no complaints from him)

She’s quite self conscious cause she never really cared about her looks and so the day of the first hospital gala they attend together she watches a tutorial and is absolutely stunning. He carries her on his back to his car cause she’s not used to heels. She’s absolutely breathtaking all dressed up but then she comes out of the bathroom without makeup and his shirt on and he all but howls

Somewhere along the third month of being together Samira considers thanking the universe cause if Jack and her hadn’t been on opposite shifts he’d have her moved in within the first week (no complaints on her part)

jack irrationally hates her apartment cause it’s in a sketchy neighborhood and it’s so depersonalized it hurts his heart to think she lived there for three years with just a single fridge magnet and enough loneliness to drive a normal person crazy

she insists she prefers to sleep at her apartment on the nights he’s on shift cause she doesn’t want to impose and colonize his house (she’s being fucking stubborn) (she doesn’t sleep well, if at all)

he feels extremely pathetic cause he refuses to change the sheets until the very day he knows she’ll come to his place. He changes them the very morning so he can spend the rest of the week with her scent lingering on the sheets. (The one time she gets called back in before they can even have dinner he goes to bed with fresh sheets and no Samira. He gives up trying at 1am and moves to the couch)

Her only pjs are Jacks shirts especially if she’s sleeping at her apartment alone. She has a breakdown thinking she’s going crazy over a man over all things and then Cassie McKay comes to the rescue and tells her she’s at least crazy over a man who would kiss the ground she walks on so she gets a pass for that one

he doesn’t literally kiss the ground she walks on but he does kiss every inch of her body after a week of not seeing each other when she comes back from a conference

he goes to visit his family and they take on the habit of going to bed at the same time and fall asleep FaceTiming.( They’re pathetic and they know it)

she needs to be touching him someway. They both don’t like spooning or be plastered against each other, but the tip of her fingers have to touch his shoulder or his hip and she’s getting worse and she considers talking to Caleb Jefferson about that. (She thinks Jack doesn’t do it) (then why are his fingers twisting one of her curls when everytime he closes his eyes)

there’s no official proposal to move in but one morning she gets up and realizes she’s filling one drawer per month and she doesn’t really have that much staff anyway. So by the fifth month the one fridge magnet is the last item to migrate surface. (Jack gives the middle finger to the front door once they lock it) (he also gives another to her shitty landlord) (just cause he couldn’t punch him)

She goes absolutely feral when she sees him mow the grass and he loves every minute of it (she swears it was only the first time and she will get used to it) (he always makes sure to complete the task when she’s at home cause she will 100% jump him the second he passes through the back door)

when she found out she’s pregnant one month after their Hawai’i getaway he’s absolutely crushed cause she’s one month into her fellowship and he’s made her life more complicated (she’s absolutely terrified) (she’s also surprised cause the timing’s not ideal but she’s long since understood there’s no such thing as perfect timing anyway so)

He watches the pregnancy pillow as if it personally attacked him (“I can be your pregnancy pillow” he claimed) (he didn’t spoke to Shen for a week after he gifted it to her)

Samira goes above and beyond to spare Jack of her complaints against Robby cause she knows Robby needs Jack and Jack knows everything and tries not to get in the middle cause she can (and must) fend for herself. But when Robby knows they’re dating and attempts to comment negatively Jack immediately sets the boundary and tells him he will stand no bs or their friendship is over

one time Samira catches an ortho diagnosis and it’s so hot Park the Shark asks her out and Jack loses his mind for the entire shift cause they’re not official and he resisted the urge to ask her about it. Samira laughs to his face and tells him to convince her not to. (He does) (five times) (first time in the oncall room)

Samira has some kind of inferiority complex towards Baran when it comes to Jack, cause they share the same trauma of being in a war zone and bonded very quickly. She likes Baran but can’t help it

he heard her speaking Tamil with her mother and listens fascinated but one they she speaks a little Italian with a patient and for some reason it leaves him hot and bothered until they’re in bed when she dismisses him “I grew up in Jersey, remember? My neighbors were Italian” and she teaches him all the bad words she knows

she starts buying fancier hair products to care for her hair cause she wants to coerce him into another routine (he would dye them blue if she asked)

Contrary to popular belief, she knows how to cook. She never does cause she doesn’t have the time, and relies on frozen meals and protein bars. When Jack comes along she cooks even less cause he asserts he has more free time and meal preps so she can bring her Tupperware to work (the second time he meal prepped she complained and he offered to take a swat gig to spend his time off. She never mentioned it again). (he leaves the baking to her cause it relaxes her)

first date went to embarrassing to super good to being called back to work and Jack refusing to let her come cause she went off shift just one hour before their date. Their first kiss after they started dating was against his car door, and it was. Samira who smashed her lips against his (Parker saw a little smudge of lipstick but said nothing)

First time they spent the night together it was at her apartment. It was also the last time cause it was too impractical for Jack, but he insisted on being there in case she wanted him out at any point. (She didn’t) (they never spent a shared night off parted again)

the first time he met her Amma is the day she comes back from her cruise and larked a flight Miami-Pittsburgh. She’s not impressed by his age but he’s a charmer and Samira is the happiest she’s seen her in her adult life and he completely, reverently adores her and honestly, she was losing hope to see Samira opening up to someone like that

the first time Samira met Jack’s family she’s so nervous she attempts to convince him to break up with her, claiming she’s not likeable enough to be in any in laws good graces. He kisses her forehead and reminds her his siblings already know her, only not in person (she crushed a FaceTime session and wished the floor would swallow her, while his sister squealed and demanded to put Samira ‘finally’ on screen)

the day Robby comes back from his sabbatical, Jack doesn’t feel the need to announce anything. Robby comments on his ring and Jack answers “it was time”. He would scream it from the rooftops but they’re pushing their luck with trying to avoid direct power imbalance situations and becoming the talk of the entire department. He comes back to his apartment and kisses her extra hard cause he hates to keep her a secret as if what they’re doing is wrong

I’m so mad for the fact that Samira Mohan has been written off and all the discourse about how stupid fans are. It’s discomforting seeing fellow fans from the same fandom absolutely ignoring - to the point of being annoyed by it - the mistreatment of both the characters and actress, and their supporters as well. And I realized that if I were to be many of those fans I would have very little to celebrate besides the fact that my favorite is not the one being axed.

Let’s talk about a few of them.

Cassie McKay: she started off strong in s2, managing all those cases and personally trying to putting herself out there and feel like a person other than a doctor and a mother. She got a date with Brian Hancock ( which btw was presented as this huge recurring and we’ve last seen him months ago) and had a finger up that old man’s ass. The remaining of her arc has been centered about Roxy, which was good cause we were getting a glimpse of End-of-life treatment and how to make it comfortable for the patient and their family. Then a peek into her role inside the street team, which would’ve been so interesting to explore as well. The whole scenario clashed (for me) when these two strings merged together to create yet another conflict with Robby. He berated her for not being there when Roxy died, and the point of the whole scene was to show how his unnecessary berating is part of his mental health issues. Her next two relevant interactions (beside a whole 10 second bonding with Langdon over their respective addictions) are with Robby (again): one of her telling him that he is - in fact - spiraling; and the other one last episode when she “felt compelled” to give him advice and defending Javadi, who was another one on the receiving end of Robby’s backlash.

Speaking of Javadi: she started off strong as well, her conflict with Ogilvie about competency and her parents pushing her towards different specialties. Yet again, it started to change around ep 8 or 9, I barely remember any of her scenes besides her being here and there with other residents. I remember a scene with Mateo (I will not dive into shipping but it was ship baiting), and the fact that she filmed Jessies arrest. And what was the filming purpose of that? The writing purpose of the whole Dr J thing? Not showing how her account could actively help Jessie; not how young people show up to the ED cause they trust her through social media; not how her platform could me also medically useful (spreading awareness on issues such as STDs for example). None of that. Her TikTok account became another reason to be scolded by Robby.

Who else?

Mel King: I was so curious about her season and her deposition. Let me say first that Taylor Dearden is unfairly talented and I really hope she got enough screen time for that Emmy nomination. Her arc is maybe the most independent from Robby’s, and at least for that I can be thankful. The problem is that she had so many problems, being pushed to the floor, the deposition, her sister, her meltdown, that it’s a lot altogether and still I can feel disappointed cause she’s the same residency year as Cassie, and yet she barely teaches and is often taught instead. Of course her mind is taken by a lot of problems at the same time, but I do feel that it would’ve been better to spare at least one of her string and focus a bit more on layering. for example, it’s evident that there’s some degree of infantilization from some nurses and fellows, cause we often see either people coddling her or being annoyed by her enthusiasm. I would’ve cut on the evil Whitaker stuff and relied more on the other two issues she goes through to highlight this kind of treatment she receives.

Trinity Santos: at the beginning of the season I was sooo annoyed by her, which is good cause Isa is a superstar and she portrayed that caustic attitude perfectly. Her being behind her charting and clashing with Al-hashimi two hours after meeting her was very in character and beautifully performed. Then we got the bathroom scene and saw the sc*rs. It was dropped deliberately but delicately (if that makes sense), the same way they introduced Abbot’s amputation at the end of s1. Only with Trinity we were halfway through the season and we’ve got no mention (or nod) about it before and neither after, besides her “stealing” a scalpel. I am lucky enough not to have experienced anything like that, but I really think it’s not something they should’ve picked up to leave it hanging between seasons. (That’s obviously my opinion, like everything I write about). I really dont want to dive too much into ships but as a Garsantos truther I’m at a loss.

Whitaker: he’s clearly not my favorite character, but I’ll try to give him justice. I think they were trying to point out how Robby had to find a new heir with LAngdon in rehab and all. What didnt sit right to me was that the outcome resulted somehow unrealistic (sorry to the - most realistic show in the universe - truthers): he’s on his second week as R1 and yet he acts and teaches med students like we saw Collins and Langdon the year before. He’s in charge of Louie and left to do procedures (such as the abdominal draining) alone?? His friendship with Trinity (TO ME) is the most interesting part of his arc. They’re roomies and colleagues ( as Princess points out, she doesn’t know how they can stand each other at home and at work) and it would’ve been juicy to explore other than, again, using this dynamic for the purposes of house sitting, without really exploring it. And I don’t really care about Hucklerobby, but you really couldn’t pass me to care about the whole farm thing, especially given the fact that his relationship with the widow is still uncertain and she’s always an off screen presence.

Langdon: I was very excited about Langdon, and I really hoped to see how his return affected the entire department. We knew that Trinity would’ve reacted negatively (and RIGHTFULLY SO!!), cause how could she not. However, in the end we almost saw more of that negative reaction from Whitaker than from her (WTF was that scene in the break room). And all in all, besides a little bonding with Cassie and Ellis, his return was treated in a very expected way (Robby- Mel- Santos, a little Dana sprinkled here and there). What I am missing is a little layering that he had in the first couple of episodes when he was in triage. Again, I think PBall is delivering a superb performance, but his arc in the later part of the season is very predictable.

Abbot: we’ve seen very little of him. Ep7 was peak, but his interactions in ep 8 with that witty remark and his willingness to follow the patient to another hospital was very on point. Then, he came back and ep.13-14 is this huge effort in babysitting Robby. I understand they’re kinda friends and stuff. But you cannot have an actor like Shawn Hatosy on board and reduce his character like that cause, SPOILER ALERT, he’s going to mention his deceased wife and his amputation for the purpose of what? List to Robby what he has already lost and praying him to stay off that list. Again, for the sake of credibility, I don’t want to make it about Mohabbot but, to me, it’s very odd he doesn’t follow up or hears from a patient he paid an uber to ship therapy for. But hey, that’s me.

Overall, I think that the first half of the season was very well written, and in continuity with the kind of ed universe we saw in season 1. What I think we’ve lost after - I think - is the individualities of the characters. At one point of the show, I can’t really pinpoint a precise scene (but around episode 8 or 9), there’s been an evident shift in the purpose of the entire department and the show in general, and every scene, every arc, (almost) every dynamic and even medical cases all started to focus around Robby and his su1c!de quest. Which is obviously a huge part of the narrative, being him the lead of the show. But there’s a subtle line between having a lead character and the co-stars gravitating around with Their own dynamics which more or less often intertwine with the main storyline; another thing is to witness a sort of Truman show in which every action from the other characters must somehow elicit a reaction from Robby.

That became more and more evident to me, especially cause in some of the new episodes I’m sometimes under the impression that there are some heavy cuts that take too much context out of the dynamics. For example, where did yesterday’s confrontation with Whitaker coming after Langdon came from? It would’ve been more credible if there had been some snarky remark along the past couple of episodes, but it’s not the case and so it’s all and so for that barely uttered joke Whitaker jumping at Langdon’s throat seems a little exaggerated. I saw someone on twitter saying he’s defending Trinity: in what way? Did she ask for it? Did she manifest any discomfort with Whitaker over Langdon’s budding routine? It lacks a little context.

I also saw an article this morning mentioning that “Ok we get it, Robby is su!c1dal. I feel like a lot of dynamics have been cut out or molded ion a way that could be used to point out, at every possible occasion, Robby’s downward spiral. The problem is that, according to me, it would’ve been different is the focus was on how his worsening mental health was affecting those around him. Instead, we get (at best) concern from his closest, while the rest are (allow me) acting to make him react. The pattern is MS/Residents acting, Robby reacting, and the aftermath is about how said action affects and adds on to Robby’s last nerve.

so ep 7 Parker Ellis is trying to take a power nap before her double shift starts at 1:30.

I purposefully left out any mention to Mohabbot in my previous post, because what matters the most to me concerning Supriya’s exit and Dr Mohan being written off is much more significant:

: 1) The way the announcement was released is disrespectful for both Supriya and Ayesha, creating a system of revolving doors and really conveying “don’t worry we’re replacing one WoC with another WoC”. So we’re aiming at reaching a quota? It’s almost the same thing as last year, when Tracy was written out and Sepideh in; only that time, they gave each actress the grace and the importance they deserve. Moreover, it’s heartbreaking that the announcement arrived mere hours before ep 13, which Supriya described as her favorite and most significant for Samira’s arc.

2) I find it very odd to write off Mohan’s character after everything that has been said by the show runners and screenwriters. No more than a couple of days before NW was stating his character is not so aggressive towards Samira (he is), it’s just he’s coming from a good place and thinks (and I quote) that she’s a rockstar. So what happened to that? Cause I refuse to believe that there couldn’t be anymore to her story to tell, especially since they’re going great lengths to explain how she’s some sort of younger version of the doctor Robby was.

allow me to talk about Mohabbot. As I said, I didn’t talk about it before cause I wanted to focus on Supriya/Samira. What was the point of “tossing [that] flower to the crowd” in ep.7? What was the point of the writers themselves being on board with that? And Nevermind both actors declared no more than a couple of weeks ago that they would indeed be on board, but it was up to the writers to decide. I don’t think someone who knows their character is being written off the show would say that? One may argue that they were asked something like that before the news was made official, but I don’t think SG would’ve relied on baiting her own character’s fanbase like that. Mohabbot (to me) has a huge potential. The show is not made to explore in depth relationships, and we’ve been getting it from s1ep1. But the Pitt is not a documentary and even in that limited screen time there was the intimacy and the buzzing feeling of two oblivious people who could at some point along the seasons being shown exchanging a knowing look or making arrangements for a dinner date. Gemmill talked in that interview about how maybe they were good for each other but could not realize it (yet). Another thing that bothers me, since it left the door open for further exploration. We had a brilliant younger doctor, a woman of color trying to push her way through a political decision that defunded her research projects and trying not to lose her purpose in healthcare system in which hospitals are run as companies and doctors are required to be like corporate employees with computers rather than patients in front of them. In all this there’s a person, who happens to be a white (older) man and yes, in a position of power, that somehow appreciates Dr Mohan to the point of admiring the stubbornness with which she refuses to discard her empathy and become robotic.

I think up until a couple of days before Variety leaked the news she was absolutely positive she was going to be on the show next season. Which is what makes everything weirder. Nothing in this adds up. Samira’s arc was very much non concluded, at least for another season (given the shorter time span between seasons), and there’s about 100 different ways they could’ve developed a story for her, whether deciding to stay or leave BY THE END OF HER RESIDENCY. So I really don’t get why their trying to feed us this “creative decision” bs, cause it’s obviously not the case. And the fact that Supriya was basically talking about [not knowing] what was potentially in store for Samira for s3, makes me think that there’s no withdrawal from their part, nor conflict with the production (as I read). I really think there’s more to it, and maybe we’ll never know the truth. I can’t shake off this feeling of disappointment towards what was a show that hooked me up for the first time in years.

so, I started the season with great expectations and went back to this account after years to talk about it and vent a little over something that had me so invested.

I stopped after a couple of episode, although I continued to watch the show. After ep 7, which I highly anticipated, it all became increasingly dull. Scott GEMMILL referred to that Mohabbot scene as “a flower tossed into the crowd”: well, I think that that applies to the majority of the storylines. All these flowers tossed to the crowd but they never get to actually form a bouquet.

Obviously, the season having one single shift as timeline, it’s impossible to wrap up storylines realistically. At the same time, this peculiarity requires a further effort from the writers, in order to allow the characters to have some kind of closure for the season, whether or not their arch is actually solved. What I saw so far is a lot of giving bits and pieces randomly, but very little growth.

I can accept that if somehow they pull straws from the previous season, to give some continuity to the character, but so far the only sign of continuity from the s1 is the fact that Dana is traumatized from her assault. My point is that, there is only so much this show can go with giving the characters only bits of development, leaving it to the audience to figure out the rest. this, on one hand, allows endless potential storylines for the characters. On the other hand, what happened to Samira Mohan shows that you’re not allowed to get attached to the characters and their development cause you might be setting up for huge disappointment.

let’s take Dr Mohan as an example. S2 is set at the beginning of her R4. She starts the morning realizing that- with her mother leaving- she might as well stay in Pittsburgh (and not as I read that she said she was leaving and wanted to leave). Then, we see her getting some well meaning advice from Al-hashimi about a geriatric fellowship that, with the little time she has left, could be her best shot in Pittsburgh. Then she looks for Dr Abbot to ask for a recommendation letter, and she mentions that she might have to beg for a last minute spot there. Now, in the most realistic show in the entire universe, as we’re always reminded, I would kinda understand not finding said last minute spot as a fellow. However, there are two problems that don’t convince me: first of all, they declared a while back that next season will have a shorter time span, so before her R4 is over; second, even the most realistic show is -still - a show, so being fellowships a non-mandatory step, she could’ve jumped straight to junior attending (like shen). More to that, this season is building and building but there’s never a climax, like (allow me) a filling season. well, losing a major character after a “filling” season, is disappointing. Especially cause none of the characters actually had arcs on their own, but each storyline, however (under)developed, seems to go always back to Robby. I know he’s the main characters of course. But, just to mention one, Langdon seems to be back to piss off him and Santos. And even this strange bond with Santos only makes sense on the grounds of their shared enemy. some of the most interesting crumbles have been discarded. Cassie’s street team intervention and the loss of her patient become yet another way to show how Robby’s constant berating is a sign of his deteriorating mental health. Mohan? She should’ve been a huge part of the second half of the season (or so we were thought), but even her panic attack became the excuse to use her as his personal punching bag. at first I thought that the problem of s2 was that too many characters didn’t allow to explore a lot. This partially still stands, but the main reason for that is that every single scene somehow goes back to Robby.

and then she’s written off with little to no closure. How much can a show last without proper character development under the guise of hyper realism? And how much can a show last if the audience better not her attached to any character cause (for the sake of realism) any of them can be written off unapologetically?

Ok, first of all, let me be clear: under no circumstances you’re allowed to say no when Parker Ellis summons you. Ever.

Parker did good to Mel, it was my favorite scene. Mel has obviously been struggling with the whole deposition mess and is also all bottled up cause she’s not allowed to talk about it. Parker makes a semantics game and turns the conversation in a way that Mel has to listen. It’s probably the only thing that could ease her mind in that moment, and it would’ve worked if it wasn’t for (promo ep9).

1 very important thing to me as a SVU fan is that they showed how medical examinations can be done timely but if the rest of the machine is not well oiled a SA case can go nowhere. Mariska Hargitay and her JHF have been lobbying for years to get all the stored r*pe kits analyzed and compared, and unfortunately it’s an awful lot. So, it didnt surprised me the slightest to see another kit seasoning in that fridge for weeks.

Speaking of Dana, It’s unfair what Donnie said at the end of the episode about what would have they done without her, cause Princess was holding the fort egregiously.

Ogilvie I swear, he’s pissed off every human being in that department in the span of 8 hours. The comments towards Howard were awful, but in terms of narrative necessary to show how it should be done instead by the rest of the team.

I so so so hope that Harlow really has what Trinity thinks, but I thinks it’s something more serious and its not looking good.

Mohabbot glances were the crumbles I needed knowing from the start they were not going to have a scene in this episode. They’re fine tuned and I love that, while the Pitt focuses on the general development of the shift, the fact that thje actors have to continuously be in character and continue to play even though they’re not on the scene allows us to have like bonus crumbs of what happens on a personal level.

The Geriatrics fellowship is not a bad idea, per se. But I struggle to see Samira taking it. I think geriatrics can be heartbreaking and devastating for people like her who pour heart, soul and body into helping their patients. Her empathy can certainly be helpful, but at the same time it will continuously trigger a trauma that Samira should finally overcome. I don’t know if it makes sense. Of course I’m team Samira staying at the Pitt, and I know the defund of the racial disparities group was functional to point out the flaws of the administration. I just wish she could find something more suited, something that its not precisely what she thought of, cause as we know her plans are being shredded to pieces, but also something that could challenge her in that direction, too. I was thinking like genetics, or psychiatry, but not in the sense Robby proposed to her last season. Of course Al-Hashimi means well, it just shows that 4 years is quite some time to lose track of what you know about someone, granted they let you in in the first place.