so i saw something was happening and didnāt wanna miss out
Buddy no one is excusing genocide. I never said that the Kingdom people were excused of committing genocide on Duscur nor did I say that they are free of the wrongdoing. I said that it happened because Lambert was killed by TWSITD and it wouldnāt have happened otherwise i.e cause and effect. Because prior, Faerghus and Duscur did have good relations. So to make it clear: Kingdom people commiting genocide on Duscur as a result of their Kingās murder is bad and wrong AND Genocide was due to an assasination of the King commited by TWSITD for the future Emperorās benefit. If you donāt think these two arguments/claims can coexist, I donāt know what to tell you.
it was, in fact, done so they could destabilize the kingdom for a future takeover. even if that is the case though, iād like to know how edelgard is responsible for that. she was likeā¦ 13 or 14. iām not sure where this argument started but i fail to see how itās relevant toĀ āedelgard badā.
I saw the post and I think itās absolute horseshit. Just because Edelgard takes Kronya (which doesnāt matter and feels like a deflection on your end) doesnāt mean she doesnāt take Flayn. As the quote says āBring me the two women and step awayā, which means she was okay with kidnapping Flayn. Also thereās some Flame Emperror soliders, I think itās very telling that Edelgard had a hand in this.
admittedly, raxis makes a lot of assumptions, but so do you. she has nothing to gain from kidnapping flayn at all. if you have an argument to the contrary, iād love to hear it. i donāt at all see how kidnapping flayn would benefit her in any way. she could have been trying to kidnap her, and she also couldāve just been trying to get her away. we donāt know. also, theyāre literally classmates, i think if she wanted to kidnap her super bad, she wouldāve had many other better opportunities.
She was aware of what exactly was happening during Remire if this conversation is anything to go by and considering you donāt go to Remire until the end of the month, she did nothing to descalate the situation and just let it happen so that she could use it to her advantage. And it matters in this case because she knew who was responsible, what exactly was going on and just let it happen.
thatās also a lot of assumptions. she says in every route that she wouldāve stopped them had she known. i donāt see why she would lie about that, because sheās in her disguise and again, has nothing to gain from lying. that, and i always thought the conversation with hubert was about something that happened a longer time ago, not something that was like, actively happening, judging from the way he says everything. keep in mind that at this point, the villagers were just behavingĀ āstrangeā, they werenāt going on killing rampages, so thereās no reason for hubert to talk about it like some grand tragedy they couldnāt prevent in the past.
Whom she defies and bad mouths and still faces no reprecussions with the exception of Cornelia. I know your argument is that she uses the church to defy him well then whatās stopping Thales from doing an investigation on the matter specifically in the forest? He did it for Cornelia in Arianrhod why couldnāt he do it for Kronya and Solon? What is he? An idiot? Itās almost like he doesnāt care or maybe he canāt do anything about it cause he doesnāt have the power. Almost like heās her puppet.
because kronya and solon are completely disposable pawns. both have already been revealed as members of the agarthans, while thales and cornelia are still in disguise and holding positions of power. tomas was someone with moderate influence i guess, but he and monica were mostly random people and when solon and kronya disguised as them, they essentially were meant to be the men on the inside, your average joes someone would never suspect, while thales and cornelia hold positions of significant power - arundel is the regent of the empire and cornelia is the faerghus court mage. we already know thales and solon only used kronya as a means to an end - whoās to say solon isnāt the same? kronya did her job and killed jeralt, therefore solon was fine with sacrificing her. solon tried to get rid of the vessel of sothis, and he miserably failed. thatās all the relevant info thales needs to sayĀ āyeah, whateverā. the reason he got mad over cornelia was because she was an essential part of them maintaining a foothold in the politics of fodlan, which neither solon nor kronya were. he doesnāt care because edelgard killing kronya and solon means absolutely nothing to their grander plans.
iāll put your last point, if you can call it that, here with this. iām gonna double down and say that yes, actually, thales giving orders to edelgard and hubert is in fact a solid argument for why heās their boss and not the other way round. now, iām not gonna sit here and say he phrases them as requests because itās some kinda intimidation tactic, thatās way too far into speculation territory for me, but he does, in fact, phrase his orders as requests. itās literally flat out stated.
but wait, i have more. did you know this lineĀ is mistranslated? i canāt really grab a source right now, but you can ask anyone who speaks japanese, or you can literally just throw it into google translate. if i find where i first read it, iāll link it, but in case you think iām just making things up, iām not - itās enough of a big deal for the wiki to have a note there that corrects the mistranslation. basically it has the exact opposite meaning. my question is, why would edelgard then have to trick the agarthans if she is in fact their boss? from the original quote, if anything, it sounds like cornelia thought they were controlling her. if they were her puppets, there would be no need to trick them, because theyād just obey her.Ā Ā
as for the badmouthing - you think that the agarthans would just be totally okay with their supposed puppetmaster wanting to eradicate them? thales knows about her hatred for them - if nothing else, she outright says as much in the scene, so he has to know by that point. i donāt understand what means she would have of controlling them, because sheās made it completely clear she does not want to see them reach theirĀ āsalvationā. say this is true and she was ordering them around - whatās stopping them from rebelling against her? they have extremely advanced technology. they literally have massive robots. if she really is their puppetmaster and has all the control over them, then explain why theyāre fine with her outright saying she will destroy them, despite that directly clashing with their plans (obviously) and obeying her - and donāt say itās because they donāt have the military or political power, because they do. so again, i donāt see what leverage she has over them. like you said, theyāre not stupid. if they thought their supposed leader was going to go against their plans which have spanned across centuries, they wouldāve done something. the only reason why they would entertain her musings about wanting to destroy them and not act at all is if they were sure she wouldnāt pull anything, which is only really possible if they have enough control over her.
that also answers the question you asked - why does thales get mad over cornelia but not solon? not only is cornelia very important to thales and the agarthans, but also because of that importance, this is edelgard showing she actually means business when she kills her. up until then, she didnāt do much aside from the occasional remark and taking out pawns that they had little use for anyway - something thales lets her get away with because it has no impact on the greater picture. but cornelia was extremely important and edelgard knows that - itās anĀ āoh shitā moment for thales because up to that point he thought edelgard was all bark and no bite. her taking action against one of their major actors disproves that. this is why he retaliates - he wants to show her that if she actually strays from their plans, there will be consequences.
