its late im tired ive had a busy week so im not in my right mind but idfc.
Insinuating that Lace is A Child because that is what she Was Made To Be and Is Supposed To Be regardless to evidence of the contrary is, and I don't know how else to put this:
Completely de-fanging Silksong of it's critique on religion, ESPECIALLY in regards to how Women Specifically are treated.
Hey pal! Did you miss how much of Silksong utilizes a lot of (ESPECIALLY CATHOLIC) religious terminology? Hey bud! You know how there are a lot of parallels between Pharloom and a lot of religious institutions? What do you think Lace may have been an allegory for? What other demographic is ""Supposed To Be Pure? Made to Obey?"" Thaaaatttssss riiiiight!!!
WOMEN.
So you notice how when you reduce the character who is an allegory for Women into what they are ""Supposed to be"" it also minimizes the very persistent critique on religion and how it is used as a tool of oppression against women and that perhaps. Perhaps taking the narrative of Religious Sexism and Misogyny out of Silksong, a game with almost exclusively a female cast and a game About Women is. Not a good thing! (And yes it IS in fact reductive to strip a character of their subtext so they may fit a misogynistic trope.)
Like forget shipping for a minute. Put it aside throw it out the window i dont care. All of the above does not have shipping in mind.
Maybe being ex-religious (and an ex-something else #mytransition #mypronouns ahahah IM TIRED) makes me take notice of this. idk. but when I see a character be labelled by other characters as "Made/Supposed to be [THING]" and then very clearly isn't [THING], I go "Ah! The character is not in fact [THING]! How clever of the story to show us the basis of this character and what their conflict is going to be!" AND THEN SEE SOMEONE LIKE "Aha! They are [THING], because that's what they were Made To Be! Because an Authority figure character said so!"
And it's uniquely infuriating when said character is an allegory for how women are ""supposed"" to be subservient. are meant to act a certain way. seen and not heard. spun loyal spun pure spun to witness but never to be witnessed CAN ANYONE HEAR M
AND ITS MADE DOUBLY WORSE. Its made SO much worse due to Lace exhibiting very clear neurodivergent symptoms. And then the fandom spinning it around to be "Lace is so bratty and annoying uwu."
Hey so do you think "Manic" is a cute little quirky thing they slapped in the HJ for fun. A small little personality trait for your small little character?
How about the implication that Lace self-isolated? Or how her persona is a mask that she wears, one that comes off after fighting her in the cradle? So do you think that self hatred came from anywhere, maybe? Or could be a symptom of something? Either from external teachings or internally?
Could you imagine if Lace were a male character. I mean change nothing but pronouns. He/Him Lace same design same dialogue just switch 'daughter' for 'son'. We would have so SO much more people talking about the intricacies and nuance and theories and. A male character wouldn't have so much vitriol. HELL. A MALE LACE WOULD LIKELY BE MORE POPULAR THAN LIKE. LONGTIME FANDOM FAVES. LIKE MORE POPULAR THAN GRIMM OR PK.
Aanyway. I think that Silksong has a very and i dont know how else to put this mature(??) message and themes that can get ideologically messy and morally ambiguous and. I don't know. I don't want to see another story about women be declawed.
oh i am running out of energy. Okay part one done. Reminder that the above has nothing to do with shipping! Okay? Can we understand that? Yes? Good? Okay!
All the below does pertain to shipping. While this does apply to the ship you probably hate it's more generally a critique of how shipping itself is treated, particularly how f/f pairs are viewed as opposed to. f/m or m/m.
I think the Silksong fandom is the only fandom on here to have a unique hatred for shipping.
Yesyes fine I'll adress the bellbeast in the room Lacenet whatever. Yes. I like Lacenet and YES. I am aware it is not canon. You may be surprised, but shippers can discern the things they make from things that are in the source material. Blabla popular ship you know the drill. I am aware shipping is not universally liked as a concept and I am aware some people have a distaste for it for numerous reasons and that is perfectly fine.
It is unusual, extremely so, to see concentrated contempt for one particular ship and moreover shippers. and no others.
It's not a secret at this point that my stance on the matter is: A lot of Lacenet hate stems from homophobia and general discomfort around sapphic ships of any kind. Lacenet is simply the current punching bag because it is more recent and more importantly popular.
It's the usual. I think two women being romantically intimate is seen by some as being uniquely perverted in a way that other pairings are not.(A lot of Lacenet isn't really depicted in a suggestive way either, so it's not that!)
You would be surprised but a looooooot of f/f ships are met with "But why can't they be frieeendsss???? :(" because usually female characters aren't allowed to have complex dynamics with each other, and romantic relationships have a lot of potential to get messy and strange. While "Traditional" female roles are either "Mother and Daughter" or "Sisters."
And yes while those CAN be very interesting dynamics i don't literally mean mothers daughters and/or sisters. I mean the oversimplified tropes that women are often boiled down to that consist of their placement in a nuclear family structure. Usually in regards to/as set dressing to the more important, complex male characters who are given identities outside of those things.
And I never see "But why can't these two MEN be friends???" EVER.
So to see women act outside of those roles without the involvement of a male character, especially in a romantic or even just a non-platonic context is generally what sets people off. (As an aside. They aren't related, either. The weavers share no blood connection to GMS nor does Hornet consider the silkspun kin of any sort. It's not incest. I can't believe I have to say that. Lace is neither Hornet's aunt nor her little sister. Nor both simultaneously like I have seen some try to argue. Much to my bafflement.)
And some are generally just blatantly homophobic and complain that the Woke is trying To Ruin Silksong With Gay. And post that. Unironically. For all to see.
Like dude did you play the game with your eyes closed. It's a critique on religion. It's centered on women. We couldn't make it more 'woke'.
Back to shipping. I get not liking shipping. Or certain ships. I think that sometimes it can fall into amatonormative ideas on what love looks like. I think there are fair criticisms to be made toward shipping culture as a whole.
I don't get, however, leaving nasty passive aggressive comments under art, or hurling petty, cruel insults at shippers under the ship tag. Hey! Hey! Don't do that shit! Ever! You should feel bad if you do that! And you should stop doing it!
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I watched The Phineas & Ferb Effect episode of Milo Murphy's Law before I even entered high school, probably 7th grade or so, and immediately I knew that "When Life crushes your Lemons use a Radioactive Watermelon to Recharge your Exosuit" was going to be my senior quote.
We didn't do senior quotes, exactly, but I still got that in the yearbook somewhere. I'm really hoping I confused at least a few people.
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Donald’s family is composed of three branches. The McDuck Clan, Coot kin and the Duck family.
Coots are smaller birds that often get mistaken for ducks and while Coot can be used as a last name like how Duck or Mouse are common last names in the duckverse (like Johnson or Smith etc) I doubt that Barks and Rosa went out of their way to give them a last name without it having some biological meaning as well.
Donald’s dad, Quackmore Duck, is the son of Elvira Coot and Humperdink Duck. Now, unfortunately we don’t know much about Humperdink’s parents but we’re given enough tools at our disposal to figure enough out.
Donald’s mother is Hortense McDuck, a fiery duck from Scotland. As far as I can tell, duck is all she has.
So that’s it right?? Donald is part duck part coot??
NOPE
THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE
DONALD’S PART GOOSE AS WELL
The guy who looks high at the bottom left corner of the picture there?? That’s Gus Goose. He’s a semi-distant cousin of Donald’s related to him from his father.
Now it’s implied from the family tree that the goose part for Gus came from Luke Goose which is fine and dandy and it could very well have been from him. But again, it doesn’t have to be the only source of goose in his family. (and it already isn’t considering Gladstone Gander canonically being half goose half duck)
Humperdink’s parents are unknown right?? Who’s to say he isn’t part goose as well? Maybe he got it from his dad or mom who knows they’re not in the tree. And if he’s part goose part duck, then Quackmore is goose-duck-coot mixed.
Going by all of this, we can say that Donald Duck is 2/4ths Duck, ¼th Coot and ¼th Goose.
Kind of yeah, although some people headcanon the boys are demigods and I think the only duck people ship Donald with is Daisy so he may be the most duck member of his bloodline soon which would be really funny
No one knows who the boys father is but in Ducktales 2017 we find out that Della was close with a goddess named Selene prior to their birth and her disappearance, so there’s a fan theory that Selene is the other parent which would make them demigods, would also be really funny if she dated the goddess of the moon and then a moon warrior (Della and Penny were on a date in a Valentine’s Day short it’s canon to me)
You've got in my head now, a post-canon fic where one of the triplets comes up to Della like, "hey, so, no big deal, you're way more important don't worry... who's our dad?"
And Della goes "hm? Oh, no idea. I've never actually been with a guy before." (and obviously everyone's confused but like, come on, Webby is literally a clone. Weirder things have happened)
So then this leads into a whole adventure, culminating in going to Ithiquack on the assumption of, "hey, Selene might know, she's magic!" So they go ask her, and she does the scrying or whatever, and the only result is more/less the picture shown above. Now obviously they're confused, so she tries again, triplet by triplet, probably checking Webby or whoever else is there just to be safe, and in the end just... pokes one of the boys.
Then she has to drag Della away like "I think it's me I don't even know how this happened but there's a tiny bit of moon magic in them and it says we're their parents I DON'T KNOW"
So long story short the boys get kind of another weird aunt 👍
(And one of them gets to do the joke, "If I had a nickel for every one of our moms that was related to the moon, I'd have THREE nickels. Which isn't a lot but... that's weird, right?")
Knowing that trans women of color started the movement in the united states and were literally immediately erased and excluded from what they started is the most deeply jading knowledge.
It is the original sin of the so-called queer community and it damns it from the cradle.
Without Stonewall, without the efforts of Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, the LGBTQ Community wouldn’t be where it is today. Don’t forget the roots, don’t forget the catalyst.
and then TERFs wanna be like, “hmm well the LGBT community existed before Stonewall!”
but like…Becky, of course LGBTQ+ people existed before Stonewall. We’ve all existed since the beginning of time. But the movement got a shock to its senses, a jump-start, a rocket-into-space when that glass shattered via Marsha P. Johnson, and when Sylvia Rivera was up on-stage protesting guess who was on the sidelines heckling her?
The same fuckers who won’t ever reblog or acknowledge this
My apologies to the original poster as I photo captured this post to add to the thread-I reposted this last year for pride and expect to repost it every year I have left-it’s our history people.
Marsha P. Johnson allegedly died of suicide in 1992, and her death was never investigated. Even I, a mere prole, could catch the “she was murdered” vibes from the circumstances surrounding the discovery of her body.
Without a trans black woman, LGBT+ rights would not exist. Never forget. Never “pay it no mind”.
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Okay, been thinking about a proper Hollow Knight & Portal crossover, and not just Portal as Hollow Knight. (Also as I write this out, I've realized that Chell is lowkey the main protagonist.)
So, the crossover would start shortly after Wheatley sends Chell to the bottom of Aperture. When she enters the 60s entrance, she actually finds the blue line that leads to the mantis people, and goes there hoping to find a real gun. Instead she finds some corpses and the Knight (who will eventually be named Ghost), who has been trapped in some kind of status of their own. Shortly after freeing the Knight, they launch past her with their nail and attack something. Chell turns and discovers that one of the mantis corpses had not been that dead after all, and the Knight may have just saved her life. And she just saved them, so all's fair.
In their time being held at Aperture, the Knight learned how to understand English, but not sign language, which is a problem, because while Chell might not have been actually mute when she arrive at Aperture, between the trauma and the brain damage, she basically is now, but she already knew sign language, but is unable to find anything to write with/on that doesn't fall apart from age. But despite the communication issues, she manages to use charades to ask the Knight if they want to escape together, and the Knight agrees. Also the Knight goes up to about Chell's waist.
For the sake of speed and maneuverability while going through portals/solving puzzles, the Knight ends up climbing onto Chell's shoulders/back and using the upper half of her jumpsuit to tie themselves on. Thankfully they're rather light, and Chell isn't hampered too much.
When they encounter Potados, she is quite put out to discover that Chell is now traveling with a second dangerous mute lunatic. The dangerous part really gets driven home when they encounter turrets and the Knight absolutely decimates them. Eventually they make it out of Old Aperture, and through "Wheatley Laboratories". And defeat Wheatley together. The Knight manages to hold on and to not get lost to space, and GLaDOS decides that smart (emotional) thing to do is to let them go with Chell.
Chell and the Knight find themselves in a post Combine world and find that on the surface, there are a number of settlements made up of Humans, Former Combine Slaves, and Bugs humanish sizes (like the ones found in Hollownest and Pharloom). But the further underground/abroad they go, the more it's just bugs who've never encountered humans or aliens. But the original peoples they find outside of Aperture are a combination settlement who don't question the duo's existence (much), and, at least some of, whom speak English.
Chell and the Knight travel together for a long time, and along the way Chell acquires a spear, and a knife, and remembers an affinity for crafting things/that she had an engineering degree and a part time job as a mechanic, and makes things, most notably a grappling hook/harpoon gun thing, that she straps onto her left forearm, and that she'll eventually be able to use to make up for not having a mothwing cloak or monach wings. Also, Chell was motivated to make it by the loss of the portal gun, because she missed having clever movement. Chell also learns to understand and read and write and understand the bug language/what they will/do speak in Hollownest, but regardless of language, she'll remain selectively mute.
Also Chell picks up a guitar for reasons that will become relevant later. And the guitar, she was going to not take it because it was too bulky, but the Knight, seeing how much she wanted it, gets it for her anyway.
During the many years of traveling and fighting together, Chell never gives the Knight a name, and just refers to them as "friend" and honestly, it's several years until the Knight even learns Chell's name. Also both pick up journals and chalk and slates/handheld chalkboards to communicate with others, and Chell teaches the Knight ASL for easier communication between the two of them. Also, Chell doesn't age, or take permanent damage during this time because of the nanobots.
Eventually, the Knight gets the call from it's sibling, and Chell goes with them to Hollownest to answer their call. Thanks Elderbug's advice, they claim a house in Dirtmouth to be a home base, and to store their bulkier items, like Chell's guitar and crafting supplies. Then they set out to explore the Crossroads/Hollownest. They meet and befriend Quirel, and fight all the things, and are able to use Chell's harpoon gun to get to Brooding Maulek early and Salubra early. For whatever reason, only the Knight can pick up mask and vessel shards and because Chell can't use soul, only the Knight can gain spells.
Also the Knight dying/having to fight their shade mechanic is canon. And as for why the other dead vessels can't do this, uh, maybe it's thanks to something Aperture did to them.
Eventually, they make it to Greenpath, and to Hornet. (They both almost immediately regret saving Zote). The Knight, charging ahead, gets trapped in Hornet's arena alone. Hornet, thinking she's killed them permanently, then let's Chell in and challenges her to a fight, and tells her that if she doesn't leave Hollownest now, she'll kill her. Chell refuses and is forced to words (single words) when Hornet calls the Knight an it, Chell responds "they" and when Hornet calls them a dead traveling companion, Chell replies with "friend".
Anyway, Hornet, having decades if not centuries of more practice, is the better fighter, but she can't do enough damage, fast enough, to overwhelm Chell's nanobots/healing, so eventually Hornet is forced to retreat. (there may also be a bit of sexual tension during the fight ;). By this time, the Knight (now considering the name "Ghost") has returned, to refight Hornet, but after discussing with Chell, decides to wait, to give Hornet more time to recover after her fight with Chell. But eventually, though they take a few more deaths, the Knight does beat Hornet on their own, and they get the mothwing cloak and continue exploring Hollownest with Chell.
In the Crystal Peaks, they're able to find two (or more) golums and both acquire Crystal Hearts. When they find nail masters, Chell is able to adopt their teachings to her spear. Isma has two tears. When they reach the resting grounds, only Ghost is taken by the dreamers, and the Seer finds Chell panicking over their unconscious body, and has her carry them into her hut. Only Ghost can use the dream nail, and Chell is very upset that she can't help them with the dream fights/dream warriors. Chell gets even more pissed when she can't get shade dash and go through the shade gates.
When they get to the second Hornet fight, she makes it clear that she's only interested in testing Ghost, and no longer wishes to fight Chell. Both Ghost and Chell agree to this, and in-between Ghost's deaths/while they wait for them to return to the fight, Chell and Hornet talk, with the aid of Chell's slate/chalk, and get to know each other a bit. When Ghost finally beats Hornet for the second time, Hornet urges Chell to not follow them to the King's Brand, because the cavern is unstable. Chell doesn't listen, and Hornet ends up having to drag the both of them out.
When Ghost summons the troupe, both they and Chell grow very fond of Grimmchild. And when it come time for the first Grimm fight, Chell is very pissed to be faced with yet another fight she can't help her friend with. It only gets worse with the NKG fight. At least she could watch the first one.
When they go after the dreamers, and reach Herrah, Chell is surprised to see Hornet show up while Ghost is still unconscious, but Hornet doesn't say anything, and Chell doesn't take out her slate to ask. But after Ghost wakes up, and Hornet explains about her mother, instead of leaving immediately, like Hornet asked, Chell can't quite bring herself to hug Hornet, but does grab her hands and squeezes them comfortingly.
Chell initially is upset that she can't follow Ghost into the White Palace, but is rather mollified when they explain what how much it reminded them of Aperture. Stark white, and filled with an unnecessary amount of deadly things and tricky puzzles/platforming. When they meet the White Lady, Ghost has to stop Chell from punching her.
When they reach the Black Egg Temple, Hornet greets them and explains how neither she nor Chell could survive. Chell is pissed, and thinks she since she survived the poisons of Aperture she should be able to survive the temple, but relents when Ghosts begs her to stay out. Instead, Chell resolves to go to sleep, reasoning that since Radiance infects people in their dreams, if she dreams, she should be able to partake in the final battle, and Chell is nothing if not stubborn. And well, it works, and since it's Chell's dreams, she can bring her dream elements into the fight.
And most of Chell's dreams are nightmares. And most of those nightmares are about Aperture, so she's able to use the Portal gun to help Ghost get into better positions and to redirect some of Radiance's attacks against herself. Ghost's shade, alongside the Hollow Knight's, gets the final blow.
Hornet wakes up in the Black Egg Temple. She finds Ghost's shell split in two, and Hollow alive, but barely. As she starts to help Hollow out, Ghost's shell dissolves, and an alive Ghost runs in from the bench, and attacks their shade, and they're alive too. The three of them leave the temple to find Chell still unconscious outside of it. Ghost rushes to her side to try and rouse her. Hornet carefully places Hollow down so she can check on Chell too. Eventually Chell rouses, and whispers "apple", in English, as she does so. This does nothing to assure anyone there that she's actually okay. Chell brushes it off as being a long story.
Despite having just been dreaming, Chell's exhausted, and struggles to get to her feet. But once she's up, she insists on helping Hornet with Hollow. They all go to the hot spring in a now infection free Crossroads and heal and rest for a while.
Then they return to Dirtmouth, and Hornet and Hollow end up moving in with Chell and Ghost, into the house they claimed. Hollow has lost their arm, and remains otherwise disabled, and Chell is able to make a prosthetic and other disability aids for them.
And in the years between Hollow Knight and Silksong, Chell and Hornet get closer. And, to my great disappointment, I googled how spiders reproduce, and learned that in many species the female will coat web strands with pheromones, and the males will respond by vibrating their web in a specific way. And I image that when encountering Midwife, and Herrah needing the Pale King's help to have a daughter gets brought up, Chell asks what's involved and learns more than she wanted to about Weavers mating rituals, but that means that when one day, post beating Radiance, when Hornet throws strands of silk at her that smell different, Chell has a pretty good idea of what's up.
Chell decides the best way to respond is by combining Weaver courtship rituals and human ones, and uses the special silk to restring her guitar and "vibrate" the webs by playing a song(s) for Hornet. Chell has to explain what she's doing, but eventually the two of them do get together.
About 7-8 years after Radiance was defeated, Hornet asks Chell if she'd be willing to show her where she came from, so the two of them set out across the wilds towards where Chell's hometown was (unfortunately near Aperture, but that'll be important soon). On the way, they get ambushed by the bugs that kidnapped Hornet in the Silksong opening cutscene. They're able to overwhelm the two of them, and they get Hornet, and leave Chell for dead. Chell is not dead, and starts following them. Shortly into Act 1, Hornet and Chell reunite, and stick together for the rest of Silksong (I'm not very far into Silksong, so I can't really do this out the way I did Hollow Knight).
Eventually, Ghost and Hollow realize they should have been back by now, and go looking. They find the ambush site, and the trail Chell left for Ghost. And, while near Aperture, they find GLaDOS, in an android body who has gotten bored and wanted to explore around her home. As Ghost wasn't actually there for any of the times GLaDOS tried to kill Chell, and only there for the times that she was their ally, they ask her to help them look for Chell and Hornet, and GLaDOS agrees. Also Hollow is carrying Chell's guitar, which she left behind because it was too bulky.
Eventually the three of them make it Pharloom, and catch up to Chell and Hornet late in act two. GLaDOS, in her infinite wisdom, announces her presence by making a comment about Chell's weight, and Chell immediately grabs her spear. Ghost is able to get everyone to calm down.
At some point Chell starts playing something stupid on her guitar, like the mii theme song, and GLaDOS complains and tells her to play something else. Chell then does her best to play the turret opera from memory. GLaDOS begs her to stop. Chell then admits that she took Italian in high school and asks if GLaDOS meant to call her daughter. After shorting out a bit, GLaDOS asks to speak to Chell in private, and Chell agrees.
GLaDOS then explains that it was Caroline who wrote the song, not her, and admits that she didn't actually delete Caroline. Chell admits that she figured as much. GLaDOS then explains that Caroline wrote the song for her daughter that she gave abandoned partially because the baby was a product of a rape, and partially because she didn't want the child to interfere with her career.* GLaDOS then insists that just because Caroline is a part of her doesn't mean that she is Caroline or that she is Chell's mother, but does admit to feeling some kind of familial affection for Chell. Chell says that in a way they're both Caroline's unwanted progeny, and asks if that makes them sisters. GLaDOS agrees to be sisters.
And then the five of them get Silksong's true ending.
*I don't actually agree with the theory that Caroline is Chell's mother, but I think it works here. Especially since while I normally ship Chelldos, it's not happening in this fic.
**Important note, no bug in either Hollownest or Pharloom has ever heard of, let alone seen, or met a human being before, so they all think Chell is some kind of wack ass bug.
I've been following along on Ao3 out of curiosity, but now that I've read this I have to say that is a really cool idea. I don't even know what to say really, but I already thought your writing was great and now I am super excited to see this story unfold
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I’ve been into silksong lately, read some beautifully written fanfics to feed my hungry self and I found this unique Hollow Knight x Persona 4 crossover titled “Void stares back” by Paintastic on AO3.
You can read it here
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Story summary:
[Yu finds that Nanako has made a friend. They're quiet and using unusual pronouns, but hey, a friend of Nanako's is a friend of Yu's. Their older sister is nice too, he's met her before.
He hopes they don't end up mixed up in all of those TV world shenanigans.]
There’s a “rebirth” tag, I’m guessing something happened in the original HK world to make them all the way to Inaba as humans but the story hasn’t got to explaining that part yet. So it’s still a mystery!
I made some fanart of this story for fun!
Friendly warning before you click on the “keep reading”, below will contain spoilers for the fic. So I suggest you read the fic until chap 4 if you don’t want to be spoiled or if you need context.