I’m Not Sure What To Put Here

My reasons can be found both inside canon and from the words of the creators. Alastor is aroace, no doubt about it to me.

Alastor is explicitly stated in the show to be asexual. This is completely, inarguably canon. Additionally, there is significant evidence that he is sex-averse or sex-repulsed. Both in the Pilot and in S01E01, when Angel Dust propositions him, Alastor doesn't just say no, he looks somewhat horrified.

"I can suck your dick!" *static screeches* "Ha! No!"

Same with his reaction in S01E01

"If you film me going at it with Mr. Fancy-Talk Creepy-Voice, you'd be rolling in participants willing to stay at this tacky hotel." "Ha! Never going to happen!"

That's not disinterest, that's pure horror, shock, and disgust. He is defintely sex-averse, if not sex-repulsed.

In both S01E04 and S01E06, two episodes with significant sexual content, Alastor is completely absent. He is nowhere to be seen for the entirety of both episodes. He doesn't watch Angel's film, he doesn't go to Consent (the sex club), he is completely missing. And even in S01E03, he has absolutely nothing to do with any of the sexually charged scenes, like the BDSM club Angel takes them to.

So, it is extremely clear that Alastor has absolutely no interest in sex whatsoever. At the absolute most he is sex-indifferent, but I am leaning towards sex-averse (given he looked more irritated than disgusted in S02E04 about watching Vox and Valentino have sex, but any mentions of sex involving Alastor seem to disgust him).

His aromanticism is what people like to argue/push back against more. But not only are there multiple pieces of evidence from the creators of the show that he is aromantic, I believe there is plenty of canonical evidence in the show itself.

Let's start with the evidence outside the show. Amir Talai (Alastor's VA) called him aroace, then retracted that, stating that he is asexual but his aromanticism is unknown, and this is the primary evidence cited by those arguing that Alastor is not aromantic.

However, for a long time before this, Alastor was repeatedly cited as being aromantic/aroace until Vivziepop decided to retract that so as not to "ruin the fun" of shippers (like that would stop anyone).

The implication here is that Alastor is in fact aromantic, and they just won't confirm it in the show because to make someone aromantic "ruins the fun." What the actual fuck?

My identity does not "ruin the fun." This statement is extremely arophobic in my opinion. First of all, no one's identity should be talked about in this way. Secondly, canonicity really does not affect shipping. Even if he was explicitly aroace, shippers would still ship, and that's fine, tbh. I would draw the line at saying a canonically aromantic character should be made canonically alloromantic, because that's queer erasure, but shipping is completely separate from canon. People ship characters from different fandoms all the time, that has no effect on canon. Tag your stuff properly, and block the tags you don't wanna see.

I really do try to avoid discourse for the most part, but this statement here is one of the most hurtful things I've ever heard someone say about aromanticism. Like, genuinely, it's a really cruel way to view a queer identity, as nothing but a tool for fun (or an obstacle to fun). If someone said "No, this character is going to be heterosexual or it would ruin the fun" or "This character is going to be cisgender or it would ruin the fun" there would be outrage. But everyone seems perfectly happy to accept this shit when it's about erasing aromantics.

Note: obviously this is an old livestream and a spur of the moment comment, not necessarily something that was planned or scripted out. I mess up in my phrasing of things all the time. I doubt the intention here was to be arophobic, but it hurts nonetheless, especially since she hasn't (to my knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong about this) apologized even for the phrasing or anything. My issue is moreso with the way everyone accepts this when they would be outraged if it were any other queer identity. There's a real double standard about applying the SAM only for the sake of erasure.

But then, Amir Talai posted a video in which he said that Vivziepop does view him as aroace. Here's a link to the video, (go about 10 seconds into the video).

In the announcement that Helluva Boss was coming to Prime, Blitzø called Alastor "the freaky red guy everyone's into", and the official Hazbin Hotel account commented, referring to him as "The freaky red guy who's NOT INTO ANYONE!"

(old screenshot because I'm not going on TikTok just to find it myself, sorry)

In the season 1 recap song (sidenote, I really need a title for this song), Alastor blatantly makes fun of Huskerdust, and his tone in describing Charlie and Vaggie's relationship ("She fell from grace and fell in love") sounds very sarcastic. Again, very repulsed aroace coded.

Now, with all of that outside context, let's talk about some things that are explicitly stated and shown in canon, which are significant. First of which being the "ace in the hole" line. Rosie specifically says: "Who's this you brought with you? Come now, Alastor, she's much too young for you. Oh, I'm just kidding! I know you're an ace in the hole!"

Obviously, Rosie was implying that Alastor was dating Charlie before saying "Oh, I'm just kidding!" The joke was with regards to dating (aka romance), not just sex. Like, the joke makes way less sense if you assume it's only about his sexual orientation and not his romantic orientation as well. The pun just worked with "ace" rather than "aro" or "aroace." I don't know how to actually put it into words properly, but it's clear to me that she's saying Alastor wouldn't date at all because of his orientation. AKA, that he's aroace.

Additionally, Alastor looks extremely irritated to hear Charlie's relationship issues.

This is the most "dear god please save me I can't deal with relationship drama" aroace face I've seen in my life. I have never understood this man so much.

His static gets louder and louder as she rants about her argument with Vaggie, and when she finally asks "Wait, where are we?" he looks SO relieved to have something else to talk about. Especially now that we know Rosie owns his soul, why would he be so happy to be going to her UNLESS it's because he's just so relieved to have someone else to pin all of the romantic complaints that he cannot care about on? That's certainly how I (a sometimes-romance-averse-sometimes-romance-repulsed-aroace who gets asked for relationship advice way too often) would feel.

This is possibly the most overdramatic pose from Alastor we've seen in the entire show. He is so extremely relieved to talk about literally anything other than Charlie and Vaggie's relationship issues.

His neon color palette is purple and green, AKA the primary colors of the asexual and aromantic flags respectively. Like, just look.

AND in the Valentine's Day merch, Alastor's Valentine's card specifically says friend: "You're a very deer friend." His keychain says "Love yourself."

This is some of the most aromantic Valentine's day merch imaginable. The only thing more aromantic for me, personally, is the "love loses" jokes (I know not everyone enjoys them, but I do).

Finally, why does it have to be such a fight to prove that a character's romantic orientation matches their sexual orientation only when that sexual orientation is ace? Why is the SAM only considered by fandom at large as an excuse to make characters more allo? No one is arguing "well technically Angel Dust is canonically gay, that doesn't mean he isn't aromantic" or "Vaggie isn't technically confirmed to be homoromantic, only a lesbian." And when we have this much evidence, it feels intentional to keep arguing against it. It feels like erasure and amatonormativity. It's disingenuous to only bring up the split-attraction model as an argument to decrease aspec representation.

Let Alastor be aromantic, for fuck's sake. Alastor being aroace does not affect fanworks. People will still ship regardless, and that's fine, for the most part. Annoying, but not harmful. But Alastor being aromantic is really important to a lot of people, myself included.

So, yeah, Alastor is aroace. I have never in my life seen a more aromantic character. I cannot think of any character with more clear, in-text evidence of being aromantic. He's aroace.

Do what you want in fanon, but PLEASE don't try to argue that he's canonically alloromantic, because that's simply not canon. The most you can argue is that his romantic orientation is ambiguous, but as you can see, there is extremely, EXTREMELY clear evidence that he's aromantic, even if the show is too cowardly to explicitly state it. Here's hoping that changes.

I highly recommend listening to The Ace Couple's episode about Alastor, it's just a good listen overall. (Sorry, I hate Spotify and I'm working on moving elsewhere, this was just where I could find the episode).

Here's an excellent post about Alastor's aromanticism that you should also check out. It touches on some things that I discussed here, but brings up some other points as well!

Additional half-joking evidence: Alastor's malicious aromanticism

With Alastor, you see the same mechanic on how the fandom treats him:

His canon aversion to intimacy is dismissed as “fixable” or a kind of obstacles to work around

His autonomy is overwritten so a ship can function

His trauma is romanticized instead of respected

His violence and control issues are aestheticized rather than interrogated

He stops being a character and becomes a thing to be used for emotional payoff.

He’s objectified like how many women in fiction are because of his demeanor (I believe that’s way), it's actually really interesting to watch. Alastor’s gentleman-like behavior mirrors a set of expectations that have historically been imposed on women in fiction: perfection in every way

Women in fiction are often expected to be:

Polite

Composed

Emotionally contained

Aesthetically pleasing even in distress

Alastor performs that exact thing:

Constant smile

Controlled speech

Impeccable manners

Emotional restraint even under pressure

Alastor can not have any real uglyness to him that isn't visually pleasing to the audience I’ve seem this with how people constantly compare “pilot” Alastor to “show” Alastor (they're the same person to me) where people often expression how they don't like how “show” Alastor shows more of himself and “pilot” was far more contained and it was harder to truly see his emotions. “Pilot Alastor is praised by some people for being more energetic and enthusiastic even thought in the show they make it known that Alastor is getting more and more tired of working at the hotel, he isn't allowed to actually express that in anyway “We can know that he's annoyed but they shouldn't show that too much, it's unpleasant”.

Because he performs flawless composure, audiences subconsciously assume:

> “He exists to be looked at, not listened to.”

That’s the same expectations female characters fall into.

Moral containment

Women are often expected to be “good victims”:

Suffer quietly

Remain likable

Be redeemable and nurturing despite trauma

Alastor gets shoved into a warped version of this:

His darkness is acceptable only if it’s “cool”

His boundaries are ignored because he’s “charming”

His refusal of romance is framed as denial, not choice

Alastor is not allow to verbally express any real discomfort he feels

His gentlemanliness makes people feel entitled to him.

Emotional labor projection

Another parallel:

Women are often expected to regulate others’ emotions.

With Alastor:

People sometimes project emotional softness onto him

They expect him to “eventually open up”

People expect Alastor to open up without any real justification, as if his comfort and vulnerability are things others are entitled to. He’s expected to feel safe and emotionally available on command, even when he’s given no reason to trust or soften.

*Mind you this is the scene right after Vox forced Alastor to watch him and Val have sex

They want him to be the stable, controlled one in relationships

And humbling him and expecting him to effortlessly take care of himself and others all at the same time

But canon Alastor does not exist to soothe others.

That expectation is imposed on him just like it is on women, but why does this happens specifically to Alastor?

Alastor sits at a crossroads of traits that trigger objectification:

Power without any vulnerability

Elegance without emotional access

Restraint mistaken for consent

Trauma hidden behind competence

When a character refuses to emote on demand, fandom often responds by rewriting them to make them consumable.

That rewriting is gendered even when the character is male.

The irony here is that:

Alastor is one of the few characters whose entire arc is about:

Control

Autonomy

Refusal to be owned

Weaponized politeness

And fandom responds by trying to own him anyway.

When a character:

Is composed

Is desirable

Withholds emotional access

Refuses normative intimacy

They are punished by being objectified.

Now with all this mind

One of the things that makes Alastor such a compelling character is that he withholds from us people wanna know him more. He is polite but not warm, charming but not open, helpful but not selfless. He performs control so well that people forget it is a performance. His smile is constant, his manners are impeccable, his voice never cracks and because of that, audiences often assume he is simple. He looks and acts as if he has everything emotionally together when it far more possible he doesn’t.

Alastor is emotionally blunted, not empty. He feels selectively, inconsistently, and often without clarity. He forms attachments slowly on his own terms, and usually through routine, usefulness, or shared structure rather than intimacy. He values autonomy above almost everything. He does not like being owned, commanded, or morally reframed by others. Even his “kindness” is conditional and deliberate. Nothing about him is accidental.

And yet, despite all of this, fandom consistently treats Alastor as if his interiority is optional.

My comparison to him and how women are treated in fiction becomes unavoidable.

In fiction, women especially composed, polite, emotionally restrained women are often treated less as subjects and more as functions . Their trauma is aesthetic. Their boundaries are negotiable. Their refusal is interpreted as tension rather than a choice. Their restraint is read as availability. They are expected to be perfect, palatable, and ultimately consumable.

Alastor fits that same mold almost too well.

He is gentlemanly. He is controlled. He is aesthetically pleasing. He does not emote “correctly.” He rarely explains himself. And because of that, fandom feels entitled to rewrite him into something more accessible. His lack of interest in romance becomes a challenge. His autonomy becomes something to be overcome. His refusal becomes “he just hasn’t met the right person yet.”

Instead of asking who Alastor is, fandom often asks what he can be used for.

That pattern becomes especially obvious when you look at how he’s handled in ships.

Take Lucifer, for example.

In a lot of radioapple content, Alastor is made subservient emotionally, morally, or literally. He is framed as someone who needs to be put in his place, corrected, commanded, or owned. For a recent example of this the “executioner theory” where Lucifer makes a deal with Alastor that allows him to order Alastor to kill on command, as if Alastor’s entire character arc hasn’t been about resisting ownership and refusing chains. This theory alone full proves my point about how a lot people use and place Alastor in different pairs as a mere accessory. What benefit does Alastor have at all in this scenario and even if there was one can't he just optain it himself especially without being under ownership again.

This dynamic is bizarre on a narrative level, but it’s worse on a thematic one.

Alastor is black, mixed-raced Creole man from the early 1900s. Lucifer is depicted as a white, aristocratic embodiment of old power. When fandom imagines Lucifer commanding Alastor, controlling his violence, or “taming” him, it recreates a racialized power dynamic whether people intend it or not. A powerful Black man’s autonomy is stripped so a white authority figure can be centered as dominant, tragic, or morally superior.

What’s especially telling is that these interpretations often ignore Charlie entirely. A deal where Lucifer controls Alastor’s actions by killing any sinner he commands directly contradicts Charlie’s ideology, her dream, and goes against the overall narrative of Hazbin. But those themes are inconvenient when the goal is a ship, so they’re discarded.

Alastor’s autonomy is sacrificed first.

Instead of Lucifer fans trying to question why Lucifer sees not causing harm as a form of punishment to begin with, they instead jump to trying to fix Lucifers problem cuz “poor him” and instead of taking a moment and wondering why Lucifer has that specific punishment to begin with they come to the conclusion of “Lets use Alastor to fix Lucifers personal “problem””.

With Vox, the treatment shifts but the objectification doesn’t disappear.

In Radiosilence (the one-sided dynamic), Alastor often becomes the unattainable prize. His lack of interest isn’t respected as a boundary; it’s framed as an obstacle. Vox’s obsession is explored, centered, indulged while Alastor’s subjectivity fades into the background. He exists to be wanted. Even tho Alastor presents and how he feels about Vox is the prime reason for the existence of this specific kind of ship Ive only seen few people actually dive into how Alastor would feel or behave in this scenario (even tho its canon now) it is almost always focused on how Vox feels.

In Radiostatic, the problem becomes even clearer. Alastor is frequently aestheticized to the point of abstraction. His femininity stays in this one which for some reason is quite rare as people often remove this trait from Alastor within some ships of him, but they sometimes strip his agency. He’s depicted as something Vox has a status symbol, a beautiful possession, emotional jewelry. In many cases, some radiostatic fans have even admitted to not even liking Alastor at all even tho they full ship this ship. He’s there to make Vox happy, to complete Vox’s narrative, to serve Vox’s emotional arc.

Alastor is no longer a person. He is an accessory.

This mirrors exactly how women in fiction are often treated in shipping spaces: valued for what they provide to another characters rather than who they are themselves.

Alastor’s entire character is built around resisting this exact thing. He does not give emotional access freely because he knows what happens when he does.

In some cases people will excuse Vox’s behaviour even if it's not for a ship by saying “Alastor actually enjoys being stalked he enjoys the harrassment, the assault” this very similar how people would blame and try to excuse similar behave made towards woman not even just in fiction.

And fandom responds to this by forcing access anyways, by rewriting his resistance as desire, reframing his boundaries as a kind of denial, and turning his control into compliance.

It’s honestly a shame, because there are so many thoughtful and interesting ways to explore a character like Alastor, yet so many people default to shallow or outright harmful depictions instead. I’ve seen people dismiss the exploration of (queer)platonic dynamics as boring and even when they don’t say it outright, it often feels like they simply don’t know how to engage with a character like Alastor unless romance or sex is involved.

His identity his refusal of intimacy, his control, his emotional distance could be incredibly fun and challenging to work with, but instead fandom keeps forcing him into amatonormative frameworks that flatten him. Rather than asking what kind of connections Alastor would choose, people focus on reshaping him into something easier to consume. And that, more than anything, feels like such a waste.

I also can’t help but notice that some people pride themselves in their understanding of complex issues like representation, ethics, or specific dynamics making analysis after analysis but when the opportunity arises and if they’re not faced with anything that they personally can not relate to or can not view as surface level, they shut down. They skim the surface, dismiss concerns, or talk over people actually trying to engage, because confronting the topic might force them to confront their own perception. It’s easier to stay comfortable, keep everything flat, and avoid thinking too deeply but doing that only guarantees the same problems keep repeating. The reaction people gave when the conversation of Alastor experiencing racism while alive and how people in this fandom would much rather fight hard to dismiss this idea rather look at how that would effect him and his relationships with others characters was telling, on how they are either ignorant and/or uncomfortable with digging deep into such topic

The fact that this is happening to a male character was actually very confusing to me at first I constantly wondered “what is it about character that makes people treat him like this”. There is more I wish to expand on but Alastor is non-normatively masculine, he's feminine in how he carries himself but he visually masculine enough where his popularity isn't diminished, his racially identity, emotionally restrained, and uninterested in traditional romance. Those are the same traits that have historically made women easier to objectify in fiction.

So, Why is Alastor’s autonomy always the first thing to go?

There something about Alastor that doesn't give him the same amount of privilege that other male character get and i do believe it has to do with even more things than just him having a lot of womanly attributes and once I notice it, I started to notice it everywhere and its very obvious that people are completely unaware of these implications when addressing Alastor but then that would have to bring up another conversation as to why these kinds of interpretation of him is the “default” and and why people don't immediately notice the implications of these depictions.

I could make a second part of this and going into more as to why this happens more maybe