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Seriously, I’ve been having these thoughts ever since I’ve first watched the movie months ago and maybe it’s because I do not engage with people in fandom but I have not seen anyone talking about this at all

That woman is a People pleaser, canon itself spells it out to us. You know what people pleasing does to you? It makes you avoid hard conversations because you don't want to upset the status quo, even to your own well being's detriment! It makes you try to juggle everyone's needs and comfort zones even when some of them clash or need to be re-evaluated! Even when you can't keep everyone happy, you will try and fail to do it and then keep trying.

It will literally make you believe that everything is fine or can be fine if you just shut up and endure the uncomfortable aura a little longer! Just as Zoey herself says after the train fight "it doesn't matter. We just need to get through this."

Zoey’s line was “You know I’m always on your side, but it’s really hard to understand this time.” Before the “but” line, that is the only instance I could think about that Zoey actually pushed back against Rumi, and expressed disagreement, but even then, it wasnt a full reveal of whatever she may be feeling and she made sure to keep it gentle in her delivery by saying that “You know I’m always on your side.” People pleasing until the end

And she didnt push back earlier on that when Rumi clarified that the whole song was the problem. We see Zoey’s frustration, yes, but she just accepts the answer and goes try to rip out her notebook instead of vocalizing similar thoughts that Mira did as she was trying to tear her notebook

Both Mira and Zoey are observant of the fact that something is going with Rumi, the only difference is that Mira is proactive and will voice out her feelings and frustrations and will approach, while Zoey is avoidant. She tries her best not to rock anything or intrude or ruin things by adding in her own cents and instead gives them ideas that could be solutions

Zoey takes the more analytical, pragmatic approach to things and it makes so much sense when you look at her people pleasing and the line she said during their huddle at the ideal awards

“For the world.” Going back to the train scene, Zoey was still quiet as Rumi and Mira continued to argue and only stepping in, telling them to stop when their fighting is compromising their abilities to be Hunters, their focus to get the job done. But besides that? We dont even get to know how Zoey felt about Rumi and Mira fighting

There is something to be said about Zoey being the lyricist of Huntrix, as well

The way that “Too much and not enough” comes into play here as well. Zoey gives what she can, her words and ideas and energy to the group, but steps back from letting anyone know what she may be feeling, all those “colors stuck in her head”

Also there is something to be said about Zoey’s hopeful yet pragmatic attitude, Rumi’s stubbornness and empathy and Mira being direct yet hesitancy on matters

This is a mess of thoughts, I will be shutting up now

I feel like I failed my girls bu remembering that wrong 😭😭 that's what I get for writting while sleep deprived and in the middle of an axiety crisis lmao.

But yeah rest of my points still stand AND specially with everything you added. I always think about Zoey immediatly trying to go into changing her lyrics because I can imagine how painful that moment was for her. Like... She has a clear ADHD coding and I can't help but headcanon her with heavy RSD and to hear that the lyrics she worked so hard on are not well recieved? Yikes.

And still she pushes down her feelings to try and fix things for Rumi and Mira and keep the barely there balance they have going.

Zoey is really a wild card in the conflict because she doesn't give us much in terms of opinions and stances and that really says a lot about her and her tendency to 'hide her true colors' and fuck now I get more of why my gf believes I'm a Zoey lmao.

And while yeah, Mira definitely still has a lot to learn and unlearn too, I think what really makes her be a step ahead of Zoey and Rumi in this Is the fact that she knows what her issues are. She's the first one to address where she's coming from and she doesn't really need Han to "diagnose" her in that one scene because anything he could've said to her is something she already knew (I think that's very clever writting on the movie's part btw, we learn so much about the characters in what they don't say or let to be said!). While they are all taking baby steps, Mira clearly has done a little bit more walking by this point.

They trully are all a mess when it comes to share their fears and problems (we should at least partially thank Celine for that! (I also love that disaster of a woman but Jesus fucking Christ she's so lucky those girls didn't turn out any worse lol)) but in the end is what makes their relationship so interesting to navigate and makes it so rewarding when they finally make it.

I think you guys are right, and I have been wrong.

In my defence, I can bring this whole scene:

Rumi is crumbling like a house of cards. That's understandable, but still.

Mira is crumbling. She is observably shocked and acting almost on autopilot.

Zoey is functioning. Zoey is acting, questioning, and trying to assess the situation.

And even later, when Rumi already fled, Zoey is still trying to do her best. She is asking questions; she is looking for the right course of action. Only to be smashed into Mira's "There is no we, Zoey!"

But just because Zoey has that attitude does not mean she is emotionally mature or emotionally competent. It’s more accurate to say that she is pushing what she feels aside

Because what she feels is lesser—always lesser—than what is at stake, than her duty, than what others feel. So Zoey acts and sticks by the person that also has been lied to. She questions what should they do, what actions could they take. She assesses the situation they are in, pointing out that all their songs are three part harmonies and that they essentially cannot do this without Rumi [something she also said in the aftermath of the train scene] and, to me, not really taking in completely that Mira is just in quiet shock—not because Zoey does not care but right now, the world is ending around them so Zoey is putting her energy into focusing at the matters at hand

Zoey is effectively not allowing herself to feel the weight of the emotions and process them. She cannot do that yet, she is not going to. She has to stay firm because they have a duty to stick by

Only for her to finally be stopped, for Gwi-ma to take a hold of her and get in her head, when Mira said “There is no we, Zoey”

Because what becomes of Zoey now when the two people who made her feel she is something just basically leave her?

But no, it’s not their fault at all. How could it be?

Seriously, I’ve been having these thoughts ever since I’ve first watched the movie months ago and maybe it’s because I do not engage with people in fandom but I have not seen anyone talking about this at all

That woman is a People pleaser, canon itself spells it out to us. You know what people pleasing does to you? It makes you avoid hard conversations because you don't want to upset the status quo, even to your own well being's detriment! It makes you try to juggle everyone's needs and comfort zones even when some of them clash or need to be re-evaluated! Even when you can't keep everyone happy, you will try and fail to do it and then keep trying.

It will literally make you believe that everything is fine or can be fine if you just shut up and endure the uncomfortable aura a little longer! Just as Zoey herself says after the train fight "it doesn't matter. We just need to get through this."

Zoey’s line was “You know I’m always on your side, but it’s really hard to understand this time.” Before the “but” line, that is the only instance I could think about that Zoey actually pushed back against Rumi, and expressed disagreement, but even then, it wasnt a full reveal of whatever she may be feeling and she made sure to keep it gentle in her delivery by saying that “You know I’m always on your side.” People pleasing until the end

And she didnt push back earlier on that when Rumi clarified that the whole song was the problem. We see Zoey’s frustration, yes, but she just accepts the answer and goes try to rip out her notebook instead of vocalizing similar thoughts that Mira did as she was trying to tear her notebook

Both Mira and Zoey are observant of the fact that something is going with Rumi, the only difference is that Mira is proactive and will voice out her feelings and frustrations and will approach, while Zoey is avoidant. She tries her best not to rock anything or intrude or ruin things by adding in her own cents and instead gives them ideas that could be solutions

Zoey takes the more analytical, pragmatic approach to things and it makes so much sense when you look at her people pleasing and the line she said during their huddle at the ideal awards

“For the world.” Going back to the train scene, Zoey was still quiet as Rumi and Mira continued to argue and only stepping in, telling them to stop when their fighting is compromising their abilities to be Hunters, their focus to get the job done. But besides that? We dont even get to know how Zoey felt about Rumi and Mira fighting

There is something to be said about Zoey being the lyricist of Huntrix, as well

The way that “Too much and not enough” comes into play here as well. Zoey gives what she can, her words and ideas and energy to the group, but steps back from letting anyone know what she may be feeling, all those “colors stuck in her head”

Also there is something to be said about Zoey’s hopeful yet pragmatic attitude, Rumi’s stubbornness and empathy and Mira being direct yet hesitancy on matters

This is a mess of thoughts, I will be shutting up now

I feel like I failed my girls bu remembering that wrong 😭😭 that's what I get for writting while sleep deprived and in the middle of an axiety crisis lmao.

But yeah rest of my points still stand AND specially with everything you added. I always think about Zoey immediatly trying to go into changing her lyrics because I can imagine how painful that moment was for her. Like... She has a clear ADHD coding and I can't help but headcanon her with heavy RSD and to hear that the lyrics she worked so hard on are not well recieved? Yikes.

And still she pushes down her feelings to try and fix things for Rumi and Mira and keep the barely there balance they have going.

Zoey is really a wild card in the conflict because she doesn't give us much in terms of opinions and stances and that really says a lot about her and her tendency to 'hide her true colors' and fuck now I get more of why my gf believes I'm a Zoey lmao.

And while yeah, Mira definitely still has a lot to learn and unlearn too, I think what really makes her be a step ahead of Zoey and Rumi in this Is the fact that she knows what her issues are. She's the first one to address where she's coming from and she doesn't really need Han to "diagnose" her in that one scene because anything he could've said to her is something she already knew (I think that's very clever writting on the movie's part btw, we learn so much about the characters in what they don't say or let to be said!). While they are all taking baby steps, Mira clearly has done a little bit more walking by this point.

They trully are all a mess when it comes to share their fears and problems (we should at least partially thank Celine for that! (I also love that disaster of a woman but Jesus fucking Christ she's so lucky those girls didn't turn out any worse lol)) but in the end is what makes their relationship so interesting to navigate and makes it so rewarding when they finally make it.

Seriously, I’ve been having these thoughts ever since I’ve first watched the movie months ago and maybe it’s because I do not engage with people in fandom but I have not seen anyone talking about this at all

That woman is a People pleaser, canon itself spells it out to us. You know what people pleasing does to you? It makes you avoid hard conversations because you don't want to upset the status quo, even to your own well being's detriment! It makes you try to juggle everyone's needs and comfort zones even when some of them clash or need to be re-evaluated! Even when you can't keep everyone happy, you will try and fail to do it and then keep trying.

It will literally make you believe that everything is fine or can be fine if you just shut up and endure the uncomfortable aura a little longer! Just as Zoey herself says after the train fight "it doesn't matter. We just need to get through this."

Zoey’s line was “You know I’m always on your side, but it’s really hard to understand this time.” Before the “but” line, that is the only instance I could think about that Zoey actually pushed back against Rumi, and expressed disagreement, but even then, it wasnt a full reveal of whatever she may be feeling and she made sure to keep it gentle in her delivery by saying that “You know I’m always on your side.” People pleasing until the end

And she didnt push back earlier on that when Rumi clarified that the whole song was the problem. We see Zoey’s frustration, yes, but she just accepts the answer and goes try to rip out her notebook instead of vocalizing similar thoughts that Mira did as she was trying to tear her notebook

Both Mira and Zoey are observant of the fact that something is going with Rumi, the only difference is that Mira is proactive and will voice out her feelings and frustrations and will approach, while Zoey is avoidant. She tries her best not to rock anything or intrude or ruin things by adding in her own cents and instead gives them ideas that could be solutions

Zoey takes the more analytical, pragmatic approach to things and it makes so much sense when you look at her people pleasing and the line she said during their huddle at the ideal awards

“For the world.” Going back to the train scene, Zoey was still quiet as Rumi and Mira continued to argue and only stepping in, telling them to stop when their fighting is compromising their abilities to be Hunters, their focus to get the job done. But besides that? We dont even get to know how Zoey felt about Rumi and Mira fighting

There is something to be said about Zoey being the lyricist of Huntrix, as well

The way that “Too much and not enough” comes into play here as well. Zoey gives what she can, her words and ideas and energy to the group, but steps back from letting anyone know what she may be feeling, all those “colors stuck in her head”

Also there is something to be said about Zoey’s hopeful yet pragmatic attitude, Rumi’s stubbornness and empathy and Mira being direct yet hesitancy on matters

This is a mess of thoughts, I will be shutting up now

I feel like I failed my girls bu remembering that wrong 😭😭 that's what I get for writting while sleep deprived and in the middle of an axiety crisis lmao.

But yeah rest of my points still stand AND specially with everything you added. I always think about Zoey immediatly trying to go into changing her lyrics because I can imagine how painful that moment was for her. Like... She has a clear ADHD coding and I can't help but headcanon her with heavy RSD and to hear that the lyrics she worked so hard on are not well recieved? Yikes.

And still she pushes down her feelings to try and fix things for Rumi and Mira and keep the barely there balance they have going.

Zoey is really a wild card in the conflict because she doesn't give us much in terms of opinions and stances and that really says a lot about her and her tendency to 'hide her true colors' and fuck now I get more of why my gf believes I'm a Zoey lmao.

And while yeah, Mira definitely still has a lot to learn and unlearn too, I think what really makes her be a step ahead of Zoey and Rumi in this Is the fact that she knows what her issues are. She's the first one to address where she's coming from and she doesn't really need Han to "diagnose" her in that one scene because anything he could've said to her is something she already knew (I think that's very clever writting on the movie's part btw, we learn so much about the characters in what they don't say or let to be said!). While they are all taking baby steps, Mira clearly has done a little bit more walking by this point.

They trully are all a mess when it comes to share their fears and problems (we should at least partially thank Celine for that! (I also love that disaster of a woman but Jesus fucking Christ she's so lucky those girls didn't turn out any worse lol)) but in the end is what makes their relationship so interesting to navigate and makes it so rewarding when they finally make it.

Seriously, I’ve been having these thoughts ever since I’ve first watched the movie months ago and maybe it’s because I do not engage with people in fandom but I have not seen anyone talking about this at all

That woman is a People pleaser, canon itself spells it out to us. You know what people pleasing does to you? It makes you avoid hard conversations because you don't want to upset the status quo, even to your own well being's detriment! It makes you try to juggle everyone's needs and comfort zones even when some of them clash or need to be re-evaluated! Even when you can't keep everyone happy, you will try and fail to do it and then keep trying.

It will literally make you believe that everything is fine or can be fine if you just shut up and endure the uncomfortable aura a little longer! Just as Zoey herself says after the train fight "it doesn't matter. We just need to get through this."

Zoey’s line was “You know I’m always on your side, but it’s really hard to understand this time.” Before the “but” line, that is the only instance I could think about that Zoey actually pushed back against Rumi, and expressed disagreement, but even then, it wasnt a full reveal of whatever she may be feeling and she made sure to keep it gentle in her delivery by saying that “You know I’m always on your side.” People pleasing until the end

And she didnt push back earlier on that when Rumi clarified that the whole song was the problem. We see Zoey’s frustration, yes, but she just accepts the answer and goes try to rip out her notebook instead of vocalizing similar thoughts that Mira did as she was trying to tear her notebook

Both Mira and Zoey are observant of the fact that something is going with Rumi, the only difference is that Mira is proactive and will voice out her feelings and frustrations and will approach, while Zoey is avoidant. She tries her best not to rock anything or intrude or ruin things by adding in her own cents and instead gives them ideas that could be solutions

Zoey takes the more analytical, pragmatic approach to things and it makes so much sense when you look at her people pleasing and the line she said during their huddle at the ideal awards

“For the world.” Going back to the train scene, Zoey was still quiet as Rumi and Mira continued to argue and only stepping in, telling them to stop when their fighting is compromising their abilities to be Hunters, their focus to get the job done. But besides that? We dont even get to know how Zoey felt about Rumi and Mira fighting

There is something to be said about Zoey being the lyricist of Huntrix, as well

The way that “Too much and not enough” comes into play here as well. Zoey gives what she can, her words and ideas and energy to the group, but steps back from letting anyone know what she may be feeling, all those “colors stuck in her head”

Also there is something to be said about Zoey’s hopeful yet pragmatic attitude, Rumi’s stubbornness and empathy and Mira being direct yet hesitancy on matters

This is a mess of thoughts, I will be shutting up now