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I've seen you mention that there is an important distinction between an antagonist and a villain, so what is this distinction and is Edelgard an antagonist, villain or both?
Itâs about literary terminology and itâs semantic but well - semantics do matter.
Antagonist - The force that a protagonist is up against. Protagonist is the âmain characterâ that a story focuses on, the antagonist is their main obstacle.  Ie - in Breath of the Wild, Link is the protagonist, Ganonâs Malice / Calamity Ganon is the antagonist. In FE7, Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector are the protagonists of their routes with Nergal / the Black Fang as the antagonists. Â
The thing about protagonists and antagonists is that these are neutral terms. They arenât moral judgments, itâs just figuring out the focal point. In How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the Grinch is the protagonist even though heâs openly malicious 3/4s of the story. In Untitled Goose Game, the goose is the protagonist even though your goal is to terrorize an English town.  The Joker in 2019 movie is the protagonist and Thomas Wayne / Society are the antagonists.
Hero-Villain is a much more subjective dichotomy but well, you can still get a feel for who the hero of a story is supposed to be by the acts they take, the morals they use, etc. Same with villains.
In a broad sense, Fire Emblem draws from the same story each time when it creates its heroes and villains. Heroes tend to be the âlordâ characters and those associated with them - ie Marth, Sigurd/Seliph, Alm, Roy, Elincia-Ike, Chrom-Lucina. Villains tend to be the Red Emperor ie Hardin, Arvis, Rudolf, Zephiel, Ashnard, Walhart.
So this entire distinction came about because certain groups of Redditors, shockingly enough, conflate the two to argue that Edelgard CANâT be the bad guy because sheâs a protagonist and protagonists are never bad!! and/or that sheâs only a villain 3/4 of the time because villainy isnât a default when you are the main character.
And... this is not how this works.
Whatâs going on is that Edelgard is the protagonist in one route (Black Eagles -White Clouds into Crimson Flower) and the antagonist 3/4 of the post-timeskip routes. This is not a value judgment, whether sheâs right or not, etc. Itâs just what the term means.
Now this is where I go full value judgment and argue that sheâs always the villain - her route just wants to play coy about it. I had someone argue once that âvillainâ is an icky term and âantivillainâ works better but like, Iâm not entirely sure what else to call advocating genocide of a nearly-distinct race as well as invading two countries for your own gain here. You can dress it up how you want but at the end of the day, in pure Fire Emblem language, Edelgardâs your villain and, per the developers themselves, serving as the Red Emperor with all the attached connotations.
imo "cf is about humanity and that's why it's the good ending" is projecting from other media, because most media with a character that could choose humanity choosing it is the "good"ending. i like that three houses lets you be a dragon god if you want and doesnt make you give tha part of byleth up. as you said humanity isnt a theme of the game. it's like how people project evil jrpg church on the church of seiros
You know what gets me in all of this? Rhea is presented in a very human way. All of her struggles are very real and very human struggles. Loss, denial, desperation, anger, fear, stubbornness... Are these not human emotions? Does Rhea not feel as a human feels?
I mean not to get all philosophical, but if someone looks like a human, acts like a human, and feels like a human, then what exactly makes them not human? What makes them so deserving of death?
And this applies to Seteth and Flayn more than anyone. They cannot transform anymore. They are physically identical to humans in almost every way, except for their pointy ears and their very long lifespans. Yet Edelgard believes they deserve to die because they are not humans. Where are we drawing the line? They look, think, feel, and act like humans do. What about them necessitates their slaughter?

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friendly reminder that the election of Donald Trump wasnât even the weirdest thing to happen in 2016; we also learned that the President of South Korea was being mind-controlled by her shaman psychic self-help guru, a story so bizarre that even her enemies thought it must be exaggerated but it totally happened.
âDimitriâs a hypocrite in CF 17 Edelgardâs response is totally justified and sheâs the only one who understands the sacrifices of warâ yet Itâs Edelgards war and she never sacrifices a damn thing. Unless you headcanon Hedgemon in AM as permanent brain damage. Which is never shown or stated. Since itâs not a black beast. Heck I donât even think she counts as a dragon for bonus damage from the relics.
Ah but see poor Edelgard was punished by having to kill Dimitri. And she sacrifices so much, donât you know? Sheâs so torn up about the blood at her feet but at least sheâs ârationalâ about it.
(Seriously. If anyone uses the logic of âIt hurts me to hurt you and my pain is whatâs important hereâ - thatâs emotional abuse. Drop them like hot tater tots.)
I really hate how much Edelstans have soured things. I was looking for a blind playthrough of Xenoblade Definitive to watch, and I found a decent one and saw the letâs player was also playing 3h. And lo and behold heâs talking about how âDimitriâs a hypocrite in CF 17 Edelgardâs response is totally justified and sheâs the only one who understands the sacrifices of warâ and I just could not continue watching the other letâs play knowing he thinks defending from invasion is âhypocritical.â
Eeughh - well, as always, speak with your wallet here and deny them the views if it ruins your experience.
I know it sounds condescending to say I just find it sad but - I just find it sad. Imagine having to go through all the mental gymnastics, all the lack of self-awareness, all the re-writing of canon, how deep in an echo chamber you have to be for the âbut CF is the best, really!!!!â like - seriously. is a package of pixels in a mediocre game really worth all that?  What do you gain here?
Which yes, I recognize the irony of âtalking about the thing that you say isnât worth talking aboutâ but enh. Iâve never not claimed to be a loser.
Remember when Ursula K. Le Guin called JK Rowling a nasty basic bitch back in like, 2004? We should have listened
âThis last is the situation, as I see it, between my A Wizard of Earthsea and J.K.Rowlingâs Harry Potter. I didnât originate the idea of a school for wizards â if anybody did it was T.H.White, though he did it in single throwaway line and didnât develop it. I was the first to do that. Years later, Rowling took the idea and developed it along other lines. She didnât plagiarize. She didnât copy anything. Her book, in fact, could hardly be more different from mine, in style, spirit, everything. The only thing that rankles me is her apparent reluctance to admit that she ever learned anything from other writers. When ignorant critics praised her wonderful originality in inventing the idea of a wizardsâ school, and some of them even seemed to believe that she had invented fantasy, she let them do so. This, I think, was ungenerous, and in the long run unwise.â
i found the specific quote i was thinking of x
Q: Nicholas Lezard has written âRowling can type, but Le Guin can write.â What do you make of this comment in the light of the phenomenal success of the Potter books? Iâd like to hear your opinion of JK Rowlingâs writing style
UKL: I have no great opinion of it. When so many adult critics were carrying on about the âincredible originalityâ of the first Harry Potter book, I read it to find out what the fuss was about, and remained somewhat puzzled; it seemed a lively kidâs fantasy crossed with a âschool novelâ, good fare for its age group, but stylistically ordinary, imaginatively derivative, and ethically rather mean-spirited.
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Never really thought about it but it's extremely morbid that in CF Rhea gets killed with the remains of her mother. The more I think about it the more tragic CF is for Rhea.
Right?!?! Poor girl just wants her mom back and she gets slaughtered by a barely-adult with a god complex.
Fives, very much drunk: yâknow Rex, itâs time we had a talk. About my 20% raise. Itâs time. Iâve been carrying this team on my back ever since my first day... *leans closer, whispering dramatically for effect* ...and my back is getting tired.
Rex, staring back at fives tiredly, deadpan: fives. we donât get paid at all.
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Remember when Nintendo was like affordable and most kids, even lower class could grow up playing them but then they randomly decided to release a console for $200 and the controllers cost like $70 each to replace and all the games cost at least $60. Remember when you could get a dslite for under a hundred dollars and the games all at most cost $40 so even like less privileged kids could get one game for Christmas if we were all good with money, and it was the cheapest most obtainable system in the market of video games. Remember that?

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The âenlightenment guyâ can be found on the latest âwhy CF is the true endingâ post on r/FE. It also has the Edelgard is punished by killing Dimitri take, and includes the truly odd notion that Claude is punished by killing Edelgard (Wtf?). And somehow thinks Edelgard is the âlightâ despite having 0 scenes showing her actively bringing light to anyone. Really likes his headcanon.
Thank you Anon!
Letâs see. The devs said the world was built around supporting Silver Snowâs story, a story which includes the line that Edelgard would leave Fodlan in darkness, her route is the only one whose final cutscene ends without any thematic sunlight with her boss theme playing. This is also still ignoring what Nirvana and what losing Nirvana means.
I mean, I shouldnât be surprised. After all, a certain stan removed the reference to Edelgard representing tyranny according to the devs on the wiki while trying to insert the teacher theory. But really? These stans need to go back to school and actually listen in English class. Because a lot of this symbolism is pretty much common sense. âWow. Edelgardâs not-Heroes Relic Amyr has the Crest of the Beast on it. Itâs status as a fake relic in addition to the implications of said Crest means that Edelgard is a hero, striking back against evil gods.â
i wouldnât be surprised if âeach crest corresponds to a respective major arcanaâ is not actually as well known a fact as it might seem for the game. Combine that with either unintentional or willful ignorance about religious metaphor and that the detail aint exactly shoved in your face to begin with and I could see a lot of people missing the metaphor despite it not being particularly subtle.
incidentally, in regards to the nirvana reading 15 the devil in tarot is generally used to represent being bound by earthly desires and willful ignorance in a reading so it arguably has further meaning there then just a metaphor for satan.
Itâs not just that. Itâs every little bit of symbolism, every optional bit of storytelling, everything they try to twist into making it appear Edelgard is the good guy. Everything, man.
Like, when we got the Nintendo Dream Interview this should have petered out. We have authorial intent. We have confirmation that the worldbuilding is meant to lead the player to choosing Silver Snow. Crimson Flower is about having your own beliefs and getting rid of anyone who stands in your way, not keeping your humanity. Edelgard victory is meant to lead to tyranny. All this should have made people reconsider their takes and how they view the game. Instead, weâve had them try to deny this information, even removing parts of it from the wiki, and keep talking about how people are brainwashed for not liking Edelgard. The writing is on the wall if it wasnât clear enough looking at the game as a whole.
Aw fuck. Losing the crest stone at the end of CF almost makes sense to me now symbolically. Itâs a death and rebirth because theyâve fallen back into the cycle. Which is not meant to be a good thing, pretty sure the main crux of most belief systems including reincarnation is you want to eventually escape it by learning all there is to know. If they actually put any thought into it. Could just be a dumb scene.
I like to read it as like... symbolic of a motherâs heart breaking.
If you think about it, Sothis gave up her independent form to save Byleth before Byleth made the choice to side with Edelgard. Then Sothis was powerless to object or do anything as Byleth sided against Rhea and finished wiping out her children.
Or yeah, knowing CF, it could just be a dumb scene.