(I apologize for how long this is, I didn't intend for it to get this long it's just this topic has so much to bring up)
The absolutely insane about of hate Vivziepop and her shows and especially the people who like those shows is fucking RIDICULOUS.
Like I don't even care about the shows, nor do they interest me or anything like that, and I dont have any interest in watching them,
But and god damn if I were to actually make the deiscon to give them a shot, I would do it purely out of spite because of the insane amount of ridiculous stuff I've seen the haters do and say about the shows and the people who like them.
Like I've heard that Vivziepop is a bad person or whatever, idk for sure I haven't really done my own research because frankly I dont really care, but even if she is, that's no excuse for so much of the behavior the haters do. bloody hell, the shere ungodly amount of posts I've seen across the internet, these people make have the most insane bad faith criticisms, and I dont even need the context to know what theyre saying is just ridiculous.
Like did people seriously actually legitimately get mad when they made merch of a villian character who happened to be a rapist...? Did i really hear that someone said that it was tone deaf to give a fictional villian who is a villain because he's a rapist a song...? No shit they're gonna make merch of the villains in a popular tv show and no shit this show is a musical of course they'll have fucking villain songs??
What makes this character getting merch and getting a song such a horrible offensive thing when plenty of fictional villians who are miles worse almost universally loved?
Frollo is the first and best example that comes to mind. His literal villain song is about he will commit genocide of the minority groups already hunted and persecuted by the Church and he'll burn down an entire city of paris because Esmeralda is refusing and resisting against his LITERAL sexual assult and sexual advances?? He's also a fucking rapist?? And that's just the tip of the iceburg with him. He's so much more evil then that hazbin character?? If the hazbin villain is apparently such a huge issue than Frollo should also be put on those backwards standards. It's ridiculous.
Also apparently his VA gets tons of harrassment for playing this character which is absolutely pathetic and fucked up for people to do. Like the man is just doing his goddamn job, voice actors sometimes do improv and give suggestions, sure, but they didn't write the script, they're acting off the script, leave them the fuck alone.
And just leave the crew the hell alone in general. These people are doing their literal jobs, and they're pouring their blood, sweat, and tears making these shows in a incredibly dim and dark time for this country and their industry, in an industry that is already overworked and underpaid and not respected.
How about you go get a fuckin' life, and a job if you don't have one (so long as you're in a position to able to work) and not waste your life harrassing people on the other side of interconnected light box just for doing their jobs, and a incredibly difficult job, mind you. It doesn't matter if the show they make is shit or not. I don't give a shit, leave them the fuck alone.
And that's not even the most insane "controversies," I've seen these people pearl clutch over. Like, I got recommended two videos by the same guy that were titled "Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss have the worst writing I've ever seen," and they were both over an hour long... Don't they have like less then 20 episodes per show? And somehow this guy turned that into two videos over an hour long? Like I'm sorry, but even if these shows are actually horrible, they cannot possibly be the worst thing out that and I don't think you've seen nearly enough garbage and you gotta expand your media pallete. Like have you heard of Surf's Up 2? Or Sharktale? Ralph Breaks the Internet, Chicken Little? And that's just a lost of horrible animated garbage.
Like again, I don't know if the shows are actually that horribly bad or really really good because I haven't watched them. But those titles are just the most clickbait cartoon reviewer "Please click this video about me talking about the new big thing all of us rag on so we can make the moolah!" Ive ever seen. The online influencers who make money critiquing stuff, especially if they are insanely unhinged and are constantly chasing the next big thing that's being shit on, and then make it as poorly aruged and as unhinged as possible for the extra attention and clout FOR the money, I have NO respect for as geniune critics. Especially since these kinds of garbage bad faith video essays these bastards make have completely destroyed the online media criticism space and have ruined the online reputation of serveal mostly innocent shows and movies, which does NOTHING but lead to tons and tons of innocent people getting hurt. It's fucked.
I learned to not take the online media crtit community seriously since the early days, because I'm not kidding when I say they that the insanely bad faith shit they were saying during the early internet, especially about the Disney princess movies, are the reason why hollywood is currently in the absolute garbage slop state they are. Hollywood doesn't fucking know how to write strong female characters and just make them perfect and without any flaws, have began writing men as bumbling idiots to prop up the women, hardly have animated villians anymore, and constantly poke fun at their own past movies THAT MOST PEOPLE LIKE AND NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH, and because of the fact that this has began to bore general audiences, now they're stuck in a stubborn loop of remakes sequels and prequels despite everyone saying that they should just stop writing like this and go back to the 2000s and before style of writing characters and making actually original shit, and since they are still not, plus the rising cost of movie tickets, streaming wrecking the industry, the public's extremely negative attitude to AI, the corporate erasure of minority rep (especially LGBT rep) and rising level of the public's realization of how shitty american large corp have been and always been, and the wifer anger and hated towards them, especially Disney, it just makes Hollywood double down even more.
If anything I take the opinions of the non chronically online general audiences way way more seriously, and with these shows especially, the gap between the chronically online audience and general audiences is absolutely insane. Every single person I've ever met in person over the past serveal years said they either liked, loved, or really wanted to give these shows a shot. People online wonder how these shows seem to he so hated yet they are also INSANELY successful to the point if breaking multiple records by now, and it's such an easy answer it's because general audiences LOVE it.
If I had to guess, the idea of an adult animated musical, that has a overall arching plot, is funny while also tackling very real and dark mature subject matters (idk how well it does it though) and a very unique setting and premise, that also doesn't look UGLY AS SHIT is exactly what attracted general audiences to them. To them this is completely new, fresh, and most importantly, different then all the slop Hollywood is shitting out. They aren't aware of the show's deep rooted tropes and artstyle in the 2000s and 2010s "cringe young artist," sphere, and they LOVE it.
And I think another reason is a show like this existing right now and being this successful during the darkest time for our country with the insane rise of bigotry, white Christian nationalism, bigotry, literal nazis, and facisism is something that a lot of regular people take comfort in.
Once again I don't really know enough about the actual full plot and stories of these shows which causes such a huge spilt between these two groups which includes what parts of the show makes someone either adore the show, or hate it's guts, but since all of the haters of this show I've seen are exclusively in those online spaces about media criticism, and they tend to young people on the EXTREME side of the left... Yeah I can't take them too seriously.
And no I'm not a conservative just because I said the I cant take extreme side of left seriously. I'm a decently left leaning queer guy settle down.
And by far the saddest parts is just seeing the shere amount of just insanely rude comments on completely innocent posts fans make. Especially since they're often made by very talented young artists who take the time and effort to make beautiful works of art for free public viewing, especially in these day and age where young people have had honestly kinda have their future completely fucked. It was bad enough for people my age... i cant imagine. The fact that they have the time, love, passion and bravery to make and post their art, edits, fanfics, or anything else is something nice to see with young adults wnd especially today's queer youth. And most of rhem are completely chill just doing their own thing and making art, and then are met with just the most horribly rude comments and sometimes even harrassment for taking the time out of their lives to make this stuff. Like, how do you expect me to take the haters seriously when they're doing that?
Like yeah I've heard about how bad the fandom is, and I've seen some of the most infamous things. And I also know the fans can be nasty to people who hate their show, but the reason why I can kinda sympathize with crazy fans for basically any media more then the haters is because they love the piece of media and they can make positive wholesome posts to geninuely uplift others, in hate spaces ror media, that's impossible, because the entire group is literally being fueled by hate.
Like when I hear stories about how one small youtuber mentioned in passing they wanted to make a positive hazbin hotel video, and then never did because of the shere amount of harrassment they got for even saying that, and when western anime weebaboos harrassed a famous Japanese artist into deleting the fanart they made for Habzin Hotel, even straight up being accidentally racist in some regards. That tons of people lose friends over liking these shows, how people are afraid to tell anyone they like these shows, and especially the sexual battery and sexual assault viticms who felt see by how the show tackles this subject were afraid to even say they felt seen or they liked it because of how much hate and harrassment they would get over it because their fellow viticims have yelled louder than them and have swayed the wider online public opinion about how horrible it is which made them hide how the show helped them heal from one of the worst things that can happen to anyone....
And most infamous shitty thing I've seen from a hater, and honestly one of the single most shitty things I've seen any hater do for anything, (I've been around a long time it takes a lot to top the shit ive seen) was some woman went to a convention and wore the thumbnail of her critque video on a piece of cardboard around her neck as a necklace, and got one of the voice actors to sign it??? And then posted and boasted about as if it was some le epic dunk on the fans... How the fuck am I supposed to even give a shred of sympathy or understanding to these people...? Or take anything they say seriously? It's ridiculous! This is all over goddamn tv show?! A controversial show? Yeah, absolutely. Do I know why it's controversial? No, it could be god's best gift to mankind or It could be absolute garbage for all I know, but if people like it and they aren't bothering you, leave them the actual fuck alone. Because from an outsider perspective who doesn't have much context on the show outside of seeing the two sides aruge with each other, to which I would need to watch them to understand fully what they're talking about, these moments are so much more of a "what the actual fuck is wrong with you" moment then anything of the stories ive heard.
The worst things I've heard are the blackface cosplay incident (it was the black and red guy I don't know the characters name) the kid that graffitied a library, some moment where cosplayers of the rapist villain were harrassing the viticim character (dont know her name), as well as the inverse of that, and I also know fans have harrassed their haters back too, those absolutely need to be called out because they're horrible. I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying I think the haters are way worse because they're entire group is based on hate, there is no love there, unlike fandom spaces where love is possible and happens all the time.
And where a lot of these chill fans are actively and constantly facing so much shit and even full blown harrassment just for liking a tv show I can't blame them. And no im not saying that of the most infamous horrible behavior they do is justified or anything, im just saying I cannot really blame them because of the amount of harrassment them as a whole get.
I dont really understand what drives people to be like this, idk maybe it's because im quite a bit older compared to most of these people doing this shit, since it's mainly young adults where I see with have a stick up their asses with literally everything on the planet nowadays,
And by the way, I have constantly seen the haters constantly use the point of the hazbin fandom is full of young children and the shows appeal to that group because of the humor and what, and while, yes, it is a problem, but like why are these shows singled out for this...? Literally any adult piece of media are going to attract children because children are children. My much younger cousin and her friends started watching Stranger Things when they were like fucking 7 years old. There are tons of kids who watch shit like Family Guy and South Park and whatever else when they're ridiculously too young for it. That's not mentioning adult rated video games and other media. You know how many young kids I remembered who literally were playing Call of Duty during the days of the Nintendo Wii?
Now, it's 100% worth addressing this because it IS an issue, I'm not saying it is, teens in this fandom posting online about a show that they are not of age for, (regardless if they are old enough to understand it) should not be on the Internet and interacting with adults about it, if they're gonna watch it they gotta do it in private groups with people their own age. Online fan spaces for any adult media are not in a safe-space for teens, (but ngl they're not fuckin safe ANYWHERE on the Internet, especially nowadays)
This isnt an issue exclusive to these shows, this literally is an issue with VERY adult piecr or media, so stop using it as a reason to say the fandom and fans are so bad.
And also it's just incredibly hypocritical, and I've never really seen anyone bring this up, not even the fans, but the amount of minors I've seen in the hatespace for these shows is not just concerning, but actively disturbing to me. Like, do people realize that kids are not SUDDENLY safe when they're part of the haters and not the fans...? If anything they're in a even worse place, way worse in fact.
I keep saying it over and over but this is really just ridiculous.
To me, any piece of media that develops a huge amount of haters, while also having a large fandom at the same time, I just cannot sympathize with the haters regardless if I personally think the media is total shit or not. Vivziepop's haters are some of the worst, most hateful, and most active unhinged and antagonistic haters I've seen online for ANYTHING. Thats saying something. I've been using the Internet for a good bit longer then most people, even late 90s and early 2000s kids, which were the last the people who could remember a time without soical media and Internet use being the norm in everyday life, and are the youngest veterans for early social media.
It's really that bad. Th only other hate spaces for media that come to mind to surpass Vivziepop are the brony fandom during its entire run, and the sonic fandom back before it got cool again.
Like listen, you're allowed to criticize media you don't like, im not saying your not because that's very dumb to say, but holy shit, when it comes to the fans WHO ARE NOT bothering you, and are just making silly posts about something they like, and they aren't doing anything wrong, LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE.
Who cares if a piece of media is total shit in your eyes, and hell, even if the person behind the media is shit, if a fans isn't being rude to you directly or isnt doing something absolutely harmful, leave them the fuck alone.
And again, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT about these shows, I haven't watched them, and right now I dont plan to, I can tell they're not my thing. I don't dislike it either, it just doesn't interest mean, but honsetly im just inclined to defend it because jesus christ the haters for these shows are absolutely nuts. And if I ever were to bother giving them a shot, it would be out of spite for these people.
Harrassing ANY real fucking person someone over a goddamn TV show is pathetic behavior and y'all gotta grow the fuck up.
