Sonic things

the line of sonic getting sand on his shoes is show in the video of the last post even if is considered unused.

Wait, Amy lines in different island? why is that I wonder...

So, I wanted to start this post by being honest: I made a quick assumption before. I said that some of the dialogues in Sonic Frontiers were completely unused and never showed up officially, but I was wrong to jump to that conclusion. After looking into it more carefully and seeing what’s actually been found so far (and where), I realized it’s not that simple. I was a jerk, I know (and still are) and basically I let my anger take cloude my judgament. Tecnically I still think that those unused dialogues of sonic frontiers are still like... "unused" in a better word, but here is where I add more layers.

Some lines do show up under specific conditions, and the whole thing is a bit more complicated than I thought. (Damn SEGA, just make up your damn mind for once). Like the Umbrella thing of Amy appeared in a specific condition when it was raining in Kronos island and that makes sense and, this is I dont know, that the "amy, I should made up my mind sooner" dont know when this line appeared but I guess is just in kronoss island too or bein iddle animation just for how long time. But is rare I heard and I see in many of people in the internet.

That’s why this time, I’m going to take a deeper look and break things down properly, based on everything I’ve seen and researched up to now. Let’s get into it:

What Are Unused Lines in a Game?

Unused lines are pieces of dialogue that exist in a game's files. recorded and written, but are never actually triggered or heard during normal gameplay. In other words, they were created by the developers (and sometimes even fully voiced), but for one reason or another, the player never hears them while playing.

This can happen because:

The line was part of an idea or feature that got cut during development.

A scene or side quest got removed or rewritten.

A condition that was supposed to activate the line was broken or never coded in.

The line was replaced by something else, but the original was left behind in the files.

Even though these lines are still hidden in the game’s data, they are not considered “canon” unless the developers confirm or re-use them later. Modders or data miners often find these lines and share them online.

Why Are Amy's Lines in Sonic Frontiers Considered Unused by many people?

Even though Amy has fully voiced lines in Sonic Frontiers that exist inside the game’s files, some of these lines are considered “unused” because they never play during normal gameplay, no matter what the player does.

These Amy lines, like the one where sonic says:

"I should have made up my mind sooner…"

Don’t appear in any official cutscene, side story, or gameplay moment. That means you can play the entire game normally, complete all of Amy’s missions and interactions, and still never hear these lines.

Sonic casually says, “I bet Tangle would love climbing around these ruins.” This isn’t part of a cutscene, it shows up as ambient or idle dialogue while exploring a ruined tower. It appears only if Sonic reaches just the right location, like near a specific structure or ruin, This line feels like an Easter egg, a nod to Tangle from the Sonic comics, triggered randomly by being at that spot. Is a declared unused dialogue by many.

But here is the trick:

People reported that those lineas werent cut and they heard being played under conditions like mentiones before:

So tecnically, the dialogue appeared for those people even if there is not footage of them having them. But many people coincide in the same point, so I dont see why they would lie about that. This means that the lines then go to the final release, just they are hard to find or very rare to get, just like secret dialogues or secret ester eggs like the line of tangle for example, that this line actually have a only one footage, confirming that this line trigger when near a building but not in kronos island apparently.

Although the ruin is far away, I guess the line only trigger on this specific island instead of another one. I find it weird that even in miidle you can even get it standing there doing nothing, like any other dialogues that are random, but you can comment it if they are or not.

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So I guess that make then canon right? sonamy canon then?

Well, to be honest, I would like to say that tecnically yes but... that are many factor that contradict this statement, making the canon of these lines and even tangle a little strange and suspicious.

Now, here's where it gets more complicated:

Those lineas dont appear in all consoles.

Sometimes, these unused lines do play, but only in specific versions of the game, like on PS4, or Xbox (I only spotted one person saying this, so is there another, please have your experience here), while being completely silent or missing in the PC or Switch versions. This might seem strange, but there are actually a few reasons why that can happen:

Why Would Unused Lines Play on Some Platforms But Not Others?

Version Differences & Bugs

Sometimes a line might technically be programmed to play under certain conditions (like rain, nighttime, or near a specific landmark), but only one version of the game actually triggers those conditions correctly. The other versions might have bugs, performance limits, or slightly different event triggers that prevent the line from playing, even though the line is still in the files or being cut completely.

Platform-Specific Code

Some dialogue might be tied to platform-specific events, settings, or optimizations. For example, Switch versions of a game often have performance compromises or simplified code, so certain small triggers (like environmental dialogue) may have been disabled or behave differently.

Patches & Updates

A line might appear only in a specific version after an update or patch. If one platform gets the patch but another doesn't, or if a user never updated the game, then the line won’t play consistently across all systems. (And if we take that sonic frontiers updated in other versiones, the lineas remained the same in all consoles)

Development Leftovers

Sometimes, a line was meant to be unused, but it accidentally got left “active” on one version (like PS4), while it was correctly cut or deactivated in others. This can lead to cases where players on one console hear a line and others don’t, sparking debates over whether the line is canon or a glitch.

Sometimes, these lines aren’t completely disabled in every version. In certain builds, like PS5 or Switch, a leftover event trigger might accidentally cause one of Amy’s lines to play under rare or unintended conditions (like standing in one exact spot, during a specific weather effect, or after a certain mission order).

Developers might’ve forgotten to fully remove the trigger in one version, while other versions (like PC or Xbox) had it properly deactivated or altered during a patch.

Example: A player hears a line like “I should’ve made up my mind sooner…” near a specific location after freeing Amy — even though most players never hear it at all.

2. Different Builds, Different Behavior

Each platform (Switch, PS4, PS5, Xbox, PC) may run slightly different versions of the game’s code due to:

Optimization differences

Performance adjustments

Platform-specific bugs

Update delays or skipped patches

So while a voice line might be inactive on PC, it might accidentally trigger on PS4 or Xbox, especially if that version is using an older build or a different patch version. (Someone reported that they have it xbox, so if someone can write here that they get it too in xbox please say it)

3. Environmental Dialogue Triggers Are Inconsistent

Sonic Frontiers uses “idle” or “ambient” voice triggers based on location, time of day, weather, and story progress. These systems can behave inconsistently across platforms.

If a specific trigger condition (like standing near a tower while it’s raining) doesn’t work properly on PC but does work on PS5 or PS4 apparently, the line might feel like it’s “used” in one version and “unused” in another.

4. Not Officially Used = Still Considered Unused

Even if the line plays in one version, it might still be considered "unused" because:

It’s not consistently accessible to all players

It’s likely an accident or leftover.

SEGA hasn’t officially referenced (I am gonna get to the point of superstars) or confirmed it.

So even if someone on YouTube captures the line playing on PS4, that doesn’t mean it was part of the intended final experience, which is why many fans still classify it as unused or semi-unused.

These lines were not used in the retail game, but players discovered that under rare conditions they could still trigger. In practice, performing out of bounds tricks on certain islands (e.g. Rhea or Ouranos) caused Sonic to play one of these lines even though no gameplay event called for it. The likely cause is that the event flag for this dialogue was never fully disabled in the code, so moving Sonic into that area (or glitching the event) accidentally activated it.

Content: Unused cut voice lines for Sonic about Amy (e.g. the umbrella line).

How triggered: Players found that glitching into normally unreachable areas on the islands causes Sonic to utter the line.

Reason: The trigger wasn’t fully removed, so a stray out-of-bounds location or bug can fire the line.

After the fan discovery, Sega later acknowledged it indirectly: Sonic Superstars (2024) even references “sharing an umbrella” with Amy, effectively making the idea official. In other words, what was once an unused line became a canonical reference in a later game. (The Shipping Wiki notes these lines explicitly and confirms they were unused in Frontiers, and fans now cite the Superstars game for confirmation.)

The thing is, there are more cases like this ocurring in the game comunity.

In Stardew Valley, the Wizard NPC has hidden dialogue at festivals that players normally can’t hear. For example, at the Flower Dance festival the Wizard says “You shouldn’t be up here” if the player manages to reach his out-of-bounds location. This line (and others for events like the Egg Festival, Spirit’s Eve, etc.) is present in the game data, but since the Wizard is positioned out of reach in the official festival maps, players never encounter him. Only by glitching out of bounds during a festival can one trigger his dialogue. The Stardew Valley Wiki documents that “the Wizard is not always accessible at festivals. Regardless, he has unique dialogue for each”. and indeed the Flower Dance entry shows the hidden line about the umbrella. In short, the content was cut in that players couldn’t meet him, but the dialogue still fires if you cheat past boundaries.

Content: Untriggered NPC dialogue (Wizard at various festivals, e.g. “You shouldn’t be up here.”).

How triggered: Players found the Wizard in normally unreachable festival areas (by glitches) and heard his scripted lines.

Reason: The game logic still contains the dialogue, but the Wizard’s positioning makes it inaccessible; only an out-of-bounds exploit can activate it.

These lines remain officially unused (never heard in normal play) and have not been reused or made canon in any update. They exist in the code but are only known to dataminers and glitch hunters.

Undertale has a famous example of hidden dialogue triggered by a rare glitch. If the player kills Flowey on a previous Neutral run and then reloads the game to the very start, the Flowey encounter can be “re-triggered” under odd conditions. This causes a glitched Flowey battle that immediately skips to Toriel’s dialogue. In practice, the game mistakenly fires the post Flowey cutscene dialogue even though Flowey is already dead. The Undertale Wiki notes: “The protagonist can activate Flowey’s initial encounter trigger… if Flowey was killed in a previous Neutral Route it skips to Toriel’s following dialogue.”. This means the lines Toriel normally speaks after the fake boss fight become audible due to the glitch, even though the battle itself is bypassed.

Content: Cutscene dialogue (Toriel’s lines after Flowey) and a glitched battle.

How triggered: By having killed Flowey earlier and then re-entering the Flowey encounter room, the game skip-activates Toriel’s post-battle speech.

Reason: A leftover trigger for Flowey’s first battle wasn’t cleared; the game sees the encounter as “not completed” and loads the next dialogue.

This is a purely in-game glitch (no new patch or version causes it). These dialogues were never intended to fire in that context, so they remain non-canonical Easter eggs in the game’s data (at the moment). (Developers have not made these lines official; they only occur through the exploit.)

In Borderlands 2, the villain Handsome Jack originally had unused revival taunts. The writers recorded lines explaining the New U respawn stations, but these were cut to maintain the game’s lore (the Remembrance Rifle analogy, known as “Fridge logic”). VGFacts notes “Jack had dialogue recorded for the New-U Station revival taunts, but they were unused in the final release.”. However, when Borderlands 2 was ported to Nintendo Switch, the developers re-enabled Jack’s audio. The TV Tropes trivia page confirms: “Jack himself was originally the voice of the... New U stations… The dialogue is present in the Switch version… And is more common than the Hyperion voice.”. In other words, what was cut in the original game actually got triggered in the Switch port whenever the player revived.

Content: Originally removed Handsome Jack voice lines for the New U respawn stations.

How triggered: The Switch port of the game includes these lines – so dying and reviving on Switch plays Jack’s audio, which never happened on earlier platforms.

Reason: The lines were present in the code but disabled for the initial release. In the port, the audio was “refitted” (Jack assigned to New U), making the unused content active.

This effectively made the lines "canon" on the Switch version. The previously hidden content is now part of the normal game experience on that platform.

Each case shows that inactive game content can resurface due to programming oversights or platform changes. When an event’s trigger or audio assignment isn’t fully disabled, or when a game is reconfigured on another platform, players can hear lines never meant for normal play. These findings (cited above) illustrate how version differences, bugs, and unfinished event scripts allow “lost” dialogue to slip into actual gameplay.

Now talking about sonic superstars...

Is the umbrella line in Sonic Frontiers now considered canon because of its nod in Sonic Superstars?

Short answer: Not necessarily, it's still technically unofficial despite the reference.

What’s actually going on?

The line’s origins were unintended.

Ian Flynn, the writer of Sonic Frontiers, didn’t write the umbrella lines to be put in the final release and wasn’t even aware of them. They were just a test. It appears someone else on the development team inserted them, perhaps without full narrative intent or coordination. Ian is the only one that writed the dialogues of frontiers, so I guess his word is the only one we can count for now.

The line is an Easter egg, not a part of the core story.

Even though players might hear Sonic say something sweet like “I wish we could've shared an umbrella with Amy,” it triggers randomly and isn’t tied to plot. So it's classified as an unused or playful Easter egg, not narrative canon. Ian semmed confused by this easter egg, so that means that probably not all the things are being checked in the develoment of the game, but that just speculation.

Sonic Superstars references it, but in a playful way.

Fans noted that Superstars includes a visual or textual nod that evokes the umbrella image. This has led some to interpret that the idea has been canonized. However, since Superstars is set in a different "classic era" timeline (after Mania and before Adventure apparently), the reference is better viewed as a fun nod rather than formal canon.

What Even Is Canon?

In Sonic lore, “canon” status is ultimately decided by Sega. Ian Flynn helps with writing, but he doesn’t make canon calls himself. The umbrella line surfaced as a glitchy, disjointed dialogue, more Easter egg than narrative.

Yes, Sonic Superstars includes a small nod that seems to reference the umbrella concept. But that is a playful reference, fitting into the "cute Japanese motif" of couples under an umbrella, not a formal reintegration of the dialogue into the official story, specially the timeline of this game affect the logic of that easter egg.

Ian Flynn and the “Umbrella” Line

In his own words (as mentioned in his podcast Bumblekast), Ian Flynn admitted that:

He wrote some extra test dialogue during development.

These lines were not approved by SEGA for official use.

SEGA decided not to include them as part of canon dialogue, even if the lines remained in the game files or activated in some versions. (You can tell by his confused tone and this cases like this happened again when the sonic symphony and the murder of sonic being the culprit Katie, but I am not going into details).

Why Do These Lines Appear in Some Consoles and Not Others?

This is a technical issue, not a lore/canon one.

Some platforms (like PS4, PS5) accidentally included these unused/test lines due to differences in build, debugging leftovers, or regional patches.

The Switch and PC versions don’t include them or have them disabled entirely.

This happens sometimes in game development, “cut content” is left behind in some versions and accidentally becomes accessible under certain conditions (like rain or specific island triggers in Frontiers).

BUT JOVIAL, I HEARD THOSE LINES TOO AND THEY ARE STILL AVIABLE TO LISTEN TO EVERYONE!

Yeah, I know, although everyone is a strong word. Not everyone is capable of listen them in normal cases wich is strange considering that in sonic adventure 1 the iddle animations or afk dialogues were just 2 or 3 minutes, not 10 minutes. So here is my thought on this on: they are actually "dummed content".

Let me explain:

In video game development, “dummied content” refers to any assets, dialogue, features, or mechanics that were originally created for the game but ultimately removed or disabled from normal gameplay before the final release. This can include unused character lines, cutscenes, levels, enemies, animations, or items.

According to TV Tropes – Dummied Out, this content is typically inaccessible without using hacking tools, datamining, or modification, but in some rare cases, it can still be encountered through very unusual or extreme conditions in the retail version. For example:

Being idle (AFK) for a very long time, triggering placeholder or test dialogue that was never meant for normal players to hear.

Fulfilling obscure, unintended requirements that accidentally call unused assets.

Exploiting glitches that bypass intended progression limits.

In Sonic CD, Sonic will jump out of the screen if you stay idle long enough on the title screen or in the pause menu. The exact time is approximately:

Around 3 minutes of inactivity.

After about two minutes without any input, Sonic pops out and does a little animation off the screen to entertain the player.

This is one of those fun “idle animations” or “idle events” the game includes as a playful easter egg. The difference is that this animation is triggered just by 3 minutes, not 10 minutes, wich is weird coming from a sonic game when the point is not stop moving all the time.

Even when such content can be triggered without hacking, it is still considered “dummied out” in the practice because it is not part of the intended playable experience. In other words, if the player must rely on patience, unusual behavior, or a glitch to hear or see it, and it doesn’t appear during the main story or side quests, then it falls into this category.

Why developers leave it in:

Developers sometimes keep unused lines or features in the game’s files as a precaution (in case they’re needed later), for testing purposes, or simply because removing them would take extra time and resources. These leftovers are harmless and often remain hidden unless a player stumbles upon them. This claims hold more if we take in count that sonic frontiers was unfinished still when it was release, so it has to be expected by some extent.

But the other part:

“Hidden / rare trigger”: the asset does have a trigger in the shipped code, but that trigger fires only under extremely unusual conditions (long idle timers, specific states, etc.). This is still playable in-game, even if almost nobody sees it.

“Hidden test / placeholder line”: describes the origin or purpose of the recording, a line recorded to test timing, lip sync, or pipeline behaviour that may or may not have been intended for the final story. Dialogue pipelines and production notes routinely use placeholders and test lines.

1. What the evidence about the umbrella lines shows

Files/datamines show lots of unused or unusual audio in Sonic Frontiers. The Cutting Room Floor documents a substantial amount of “unused” and rare trigger audio for the game, which establishes that the game contains audio assets that are not part of the main cinematic/mission flow. That supports the claim that some lines live “off the beaten path.”

Community captures and compilations demonstrate the umbrella/“Sonamy” lines are known and reproducible under certain conditions. Players and content creators have posted clips/timestamps showing idle/rare dialogue being heard in-game; those posts show the lines are not purely imaginary or only extractable from files.

Development practice explains how test lines can reach final builds. Industry writeups on dialogue pipelines and placeholder practices show that temporary/test lines are commonly used during development and sometimes left in final builds either intentionally (as easter eggs) or accidentally. That explains why a line can be both “a test” in origin and still playable in some builds.

2. How both labels can be true at the same time

If a line was recorded as a test/placeholder, that describes why it exists (origin). If the shipped build contains a trigger that causes it to play under rare conditions, the line is not dummied out in that build, it is an active, if obscure, piece of content. Conversely, if a later/published build contains the audio file but the trigger was removed, then in that build the line is dummied out. So both labels describe different properties: origin vs accessibility.

Other factor that can be posible is the factor of probability.

People reported that those dialogues, and even some others, are show one time or two times even if they already heard it, or never heard again when playing the game even if making the correct condiction, and that can is because:

One-time dialogues

Some lines are programmed to play only once in the entire game.

The first time they trigger, the game sets a “flag” marking them as “already heard.”

On future playthroughs or replays, that line won’t be played again unless you reset that flag (for example, by starting a completely fresh save file).

This is done to make the world feel more dynamic and realistic.

Random/pooled dialogues

Some events have a pool of possible lines, and the game picks one at random.

You might hear a rare one the first time, but in later attempts the game chooses another line from the pool.

This randomness can make certain lines seem “missing” when in reality they’re just part of a rotation.

Errors or bugs

In rare cases, a line can play by accident because of a scripting bug or loading issue.

This may trigger unused or leftover lines that normally can’t be heard during regular gameplay.

If you hear it once and never again, it might have been an accidental activation.

Conditional dialogues

Some lines are tied to very specific in-game conditions.

Location in the game world.

Progress in the story.

Certain character states (low health, special items, etc.).

Player behavior (e.g., standing still for a long time).

If you don’t reproduce the exact same conditions, the line won’t trigger again.

So… Are These Lines Canon?

Well...

Lets just say we separate the game canon with story canon:

"Canon by programming" refers to something that exists in the game’s code, like dialogue lines, animations, or assets — but it may or may not appear in normal gameplay. It’s technically “real” in the sense that it was put there by the developers, but if it’s unused or hidden, it might not be part of the official story.

"Canon by story" refers to events, dialogue, or details that are officially part of the narrative, acknowledged and intended by the creators to be part of the game’s plot or universe. These are things that happen during the main story or are confirmed in official material.

Example:

Shadow and Sonic’s rivalry → mentioned in multiple games, therefore it’s global canon.

A one-off joke in a single game → likely won’t be repeated, so it remains local canon.

Again, I will repet, I know in superstar is referenced the umbrella dialogue (well, it can be or not), Sonic Superstars is set before the events of Sonic Frontiers in the series’ timeline. Because of that, the umbrella reference in Superstars should be seen as a playful Easter egg for the player rather than direct, in-universe confirmation that the event from Frontiers has already taken place. In other words, it’s a nod from the developers acknowledging that moment, but it doesn’t serve as narrative proof within the story itself. Is like the developers sayed "you remember this", but again is for the player, not for the story itself.

"The end in the background"

Even if you hear them in a version of the game, it doesn’t mean SEGA intended them to be part of the MAIN story. Since:

They were never approved by SEGA by Ian words, and I doubt he will be lying with somethig like that. But again, he is not the only person working on SEGA, so probably someone else put them anyway. There is not something clear here.

They were not included intentionally in the final release across all versions.

Ian confirmed himself that it was just a test.

And considering they are just so hard to find, they are two options: scrapped lines left there, or easter eggs.

So with this written... sonamy is canon in sonic frontiers? Sonic finally will stop running?

Is complicated.

As official acknowledgment (meta-canon): Yes. The fact that Superstars includes a drawing/graffiti referencing the umbrella is a nod from the devs; it means they recognize the line and take it into account outside of the original game.

As a narrative event within the timeline (diegetic): Not necessarily. Superstars takes place before Frontiers, so that reference works as an easter egg/meta-reference for the player, not as proof that the event had already happened within the story.

What does it mean for fans?

One can safely say that Sega acknowledges the line (which gives it more weight than a mere rumor, but it could be just someone else put it them just because yes, just by hearing Ian word).

But you can’t use that to claim that, in the story, Sonic have feelings for Amy before Frontiers the reference could be a joke, a nod outside the timeline, or a future retcon.

What you can safely state

If the line appears in the final version and can be triggered without mods (even if it’s hard to do) → Sonic said it in that game. That’s a fact: local canon in those versions.

The rarity of finding it doesn’t make it any less of an official in-game line.

What one cannot state based on that alone

That this line proves a definitive relationship (e.g., “Sonic and Amy are together” or that it will always be that way in the series). No, it’s flavor text with little narrative weight.

That the reference in Superstars (a game set earlier in the timeline) proves the event had already happened in-story. That nod is meta/for the players, not diegetic proof on its own.

Why it’s a gray area

Because we have a fact (the line exists in Frontiers) + confusion (the writer said it wasn’t going to be used) + a nod in another game (Superstars).

That combination elevates the line to “acknowledged by the devs,” but doesn’t make it a cornerstone of the global canon.

No, that line by itself doesn’t definitively prove that Sonic has romantic feelings for Amy. it’s suggestive, yes, but weak as evidence.

It’s an isolated detail (flavor text). It could just be a nice line or a “moment” without any intent to change his characterization.

Context ambiguity. Many optional lines are flirty, humorous, or taken out of context; they don’t always reflect deep feelings. Even some dont appear in the right momento or are repetead more than just one time

It could be meta/a gag. If used as an easter egg or a reference for the player, it doesn’t necessarily mean the character feels it diegetically.

We need a pattern, not just one line. A rare line can’t replace consistent scenes, dialogue, or development that show ongoing affection specially when we consider sonics past games when he runs away from her and reject his affections.

And with Ian and Izuka saying IDW that they are separate continuities:

"I give up. What a weird girl!"

"Sonic running away the moment Amy appeared in Sonic Colors DS"

"From the calendar story"

The canon doesnt sit well with this scene, and no. Third party manuals are not trusting, dont make me do another post explaining why.

We will get a better answer on that if they adress the thing in future games. We just have to wait future games. there is nothing for the moment confirmed because the matter is confusing. Besides, what adds more layer to confusion to the fans is that Sonic in games always run aways from her and it shows is just one-sided manytimes. And Yeah, I know people sayed that Ian sayed that sonic and amy likes eachother on his podcast, but here is the thing, there is another more recent podcast where he say is one-sided and amy is a unrequiered love, so the future is uncertain for now.

What do you think? AND ALSO, A XBOX PLAYER PLEASE ANSWER WHAT I ASKED, I AM LOSING MY MINDHERE I HATE THIS PRISION CALLED FANDOm

Deltarune is a work that thrives on mystery. Its narrative suggests many things but confirms very few. One of the central questions of the whole game is: Why does Kris accept living with the soul (the player)?

While some players interpret that Kris hates the soul, others think they tolerates it, and others that Kris invited it. I thinked today of something:

Kris did not take the soul out of a thirst for power or a desire to be possessed, but out of fear. Specifically, fear that the soul would end up inside Noelle, and that something terrible would happen to her.

1. The soul: What is it and why is it frightening?

Since Undertale, the red soul symbolizes the human essence and the power of the player. The opening sequence of Deltarune reminds us that:

“No one can choose who they are in this world.”

This implies that the soul was not consciously chosen by Kris. It appeared somehow, either by external intervention (for example, Carol, Ralsei, or the Knight), or by some force of destiny.

However, what the narrative makes clear is that the soul holds tremendous power:

It can completely control Kris’s body.

It can change others (like Susie, who becomes kind).

It can even reshape the collective memory of the world if you pursue extreme paths like Snowgrave.

So even if the soul could be benevolent, it is also a threat. This is especially important if we consider that the soul might be able to jump from one vessel to another if its mysterious creator intended so.

2. Kris’s fear: Why protect Noelle?

Here is the key hypothesis of mine: What if Kris is not only afraid for their own fate, but for Noelle’s?:

Since childhood, Noelle and Kris have been close friends.

Carol, Noelle’s mother, is a figure with suspicious motivations: an authority in town involved in ominous conversations about the festival.

In the Snowgrave route, the player can force Noelle to commit horrifying acts, even killings. This shows that the soul can corrupt, be the angel of death.

Noelle is described as fragile, suggestible, and emotionally dependent on her friends.

If Kris knew that the soul needed a vessel, they might have feared that Noelle would be the easiest target. Perhaps Carol planned to use her (or allow the soul to connect to her) for reasons we don’t yet understand, I think chapter 5 will be the key to all of that.

In fact, the theory that Carol is part of the Knight’s plan to create Dark Fountains reinforces the idea that Noelle could be exploited. This is why Kris may have made a desperate choice before the game started:

Steal the soul first.

They preferred to be the one to contain it, even at the cost of losing part of their autonomy, rather than see Noelle manipulated and hurt. Maybe too prevent that noelle meet the same fate as Dess? We dont know for sure.

3. The pacifist route: Kris lowers their guard

Once the soul resides inside Kris, their relationship begins in tension. Kris doesn’t know what intentions this entity has. In the early days, it is understandable that they keeps some distance:

This is why, when doing important things (opening the Dark Fountain at night, answering the mysterious phone call), they pulls the soul out and isolates it.

These behaviors show caution and fear, rather than pure hatred.

However, during the pacifist route, the soul shows consistency:

It doesn’t hurt Noelle.

It doesn’t force anyone to kill.

It even has a positive influence on Susie, helping her discover empathy and friendship.

Ralsei, who witnesses everything, begins to see the soul as a protective factor.

This consistent kindness slowly disarms Kris’s defenses. It’s likely Kris began to think:

“Maybe this entity is not the monster I feared.”

This explains why, on the pacifist route, Kris starts acting more naturally and allows the soul to stay during intimate or ordinary moments. There is no constant rebellion. There is no aggression. There is an unspoken truce.

This also means that Kris lowers their guard, except for critical moments they still keeps private.

4. The depressive sacrifice: preferring to lose themself rather than lose Noelle

When you put all of this together, you get a tragic and deeply human portrait:

- Kris is profoundly depressed. - theur brother has left. - their family is broken. - The only friend they has left (Noelle, besides Susie) is vulnerable. - they knows their body is no longer entirely their. Or even they despises their body for being human, we dont know much.

Yet, Kris makes the most painful choice:

“If someone has to carry this entity, let it be me. Not her.”

In this sense, accepting the soul is not an act of blind submission or complicity in destruction. It is an act of sacrifice:

Kris does not know if the soul will be good or evil.

They feels terrified that the soul will destroy their world or hurt the people they loves.

But they understands that the alternative (letting it take Noelle) is worse.

That is why they decides to act as a living barrier:

“If I must lose my will, let it be to protect you.”

So Kris becomes a kind of martyr: A vessel who doesn’t fear losing their identity and soul if it means keeping the monster (real or imagined) away from someone else.

6. What does the pacifist route tell us about Kris and the soul?

The heart of this interpretation is that the pacifist route proves Kris is not entirely convinced the soul is evil. If you look at what happens:

The soul acts with kindness.

Noelle is safe.

Susie blossoms emotionally.

Ralsei gains confidence.

Little by little, Kris stops resisting so much. Perhaps not because they "loves" the player, but because they understands that at least, they are not worse than the other dark forces lurking in their world. In other words, Kris begins to think:

“Maybe you didn’t come here to destroy us. Maybe you came to help.”

I’ve seen a lot of people saying that Kris from Deltarune outright hates the player, that they resent us for controlling them. And I get where that idea comes from, after all, there are moments when Kris clearly pulls away from our influence. The way they rip out their soul in the opening sequence is undeniably unsettling. But personally, I don’t fully believe that Kris completely hates the player, especially if you stick to a more pacifist approach.

I think it’s too simplistic to say Kris automatically hates the soul in every scenario. If you consider that the player is essentially an outside force taking control of their body, it’s natural that Kris would be wary or uncomfortable. But being uncomfortable isn’t the same as hating. Over time, especially if you play kindly, I believe Kris at least comes to tolerate and maybe even rely on us a little.

Some of the warmest moments in the game (like when Kris quietly follows along as Susie and Ralsei bond) feel almost like they’re letting us help them navigate a world they don’t fully understand alone. It feels like a fragile partnership rather than pure hostility.

One of the little moments that shows Kris doesn’t totally resent the player happens during the quiz scene with Tenya in Deltarune Chapter 3.

It’s such a small detail, but if you pay attention, it’s very telling. When Tenya asks what Kris’s favorite food is, the possible answers include “Chocolate” and “Pie.” Most players automatically think it’s chocolate because it seems like the obvious, I mean kris like chocolate. But if you wait before selecting, Kris actually coughs softly, almost like they’re trying to get your attention.

That cough is a clue. It’s Kris’s way of subtly nudging you toward the real answer: Pie. This is what their mom, Toriel, bakes for them. It’s part of their identity and their memories.

The fact that Kris helps you here, even just by coughing, says a lot. If Kris truly despised us with no nuance, why would they bother giving any hint? Why not let us embarrass them in front of Tenya and Susie by picking the wrong answer?

I think this moment shows that Kris is willing to cooperate sometimes. They don’t want to be completely misrepresented or misunderstood. Even if they’re not thrilled about being controlled, they’d rather give a little signal than have you say something that feels wrong to them. It’s one of those scenes that makes me think Kris’s feelings about the player are way more complicated than simple hatred.

Another moment that really shows how layered Kris’s feelings about us can be happens in the secret minigame from Chapter 3.

If you’ve played it, you know what I mean—when you enter that hidden arcade cabinet, you control a tiny pixel version of Kris inside the screen. It’s a funny, almost nostalgic moment. But when you finish the game and the little Kris sprite pops back out, something happens: Kris drops the controller.

At first, it just looks like they’re surprised. But if you don’t move right away, you’ll see their expression change. Their face loses color and goes this pale bluish tone, almost like they’re scared or sick. It feels like they’re genuinely afraid of what you’ll do nex, if you’ll make them pick the controller up again, or force them into something they don’t want, or kill them.

But here’s the detail that sticks with me: if instead of approaching Kris, you quietly walk away from the scene, Kris doesn’t go pale. They don’t back away. They just stand there, like surprise? We dont know.

It shows that Kris is always bracing themselves for the possibility that we’ll push too hard. They’re prepared to shut down or recoil if we don’t respect their space. But when we choose to step back and give them time, their fear doesn’t fully take over.

To me, this scene proves again that Kris doesn’t automatically hate us. They’re scared, yes, but their fear seems rooted in uncertainty, not just resentment. It’s like they’re waiting to see if we’ll be kind or invasive. When we respect them, we avoid making them feel that cold, trembling dread. Is like they call us for something in the begining of the game, but scared of what we will do.

Moments like this are why I think Kris’s feelings about the player are complicated. It’s not pure hostility. It’s a cautious, wary hope that maybe, if we’re gentlesharing control doesn’t have to be so frightening.

After Kris get back to taking control, assuming you didn’t walk right up to them or force them into anything, Susie comes into the room. She looks at Kris for a second and then asks, almost casual but with a hint of curiosity:

"You into these kinda games?"

If you didn’t scare Kris before, they won’t look pale or frightened now. They just stand there, calm but a little tense, waiting for what you’ll choose. It’s a big contrast to how they react if you invade their space, they don’t flinch or drop their gaze.

Then, you get a choice: you can tilt Mini-Kris’s sword cursor to “Yes” or “No.”

If you pick No (by turning the blade away) Susie shrugs, walks over, and unplugs the arcade controller herself. She says:

"Then don’t play it."

And the mini kris disappears.

This moment connects to something bigger: the relationship between Kris and the player. The question isn’t just what we want, it’s what Kris wants, and whether we’ll ever respect that boundary.

And this idea comes back again during the Spantom fight later on. When Spantom gets his strings cut, he collapses limp—like a puppet whose master lost interest. It feels unsettling, because it makes you wonder:

If we ever get bored of Kris, if we let go of the “controller” or decide we’re done, would they fall the same way?

Just another empty body, waiting for someone else to pull the strings.

Nobody really knows the answer. But the way the game sets up these parallels, Kris’s fear of being forced, Susie stepping in to unplug the controller, Spantom’s body hitting the floor, makes it clear that being controlled is something that haunts Kris, what if we get bored of them.

And it’s why I don’t believe Kris hates us outright. They’re scared of what happens if they lose themselves completely. They’re scared of if we complete deltarune, they will stop existing all togueter.

Maybe the scariest part of that scene—and honestly, of Deltarune as a whole—isn’t just Kris’s fear of being controlled.

It’s the fear of what happens if we stop.

When Susie unplugs the controller and tells Kris, "Then don’t play it," there’s a strange, heavy silence. For a second, it feels like Kris is relieved, like maybe they have a little more say in their own life. But right after, when you remember how Spantom falls, a worse thought creeps in:

What if Kris doesn’t only hate losing control, what if they’re terrified of having no purpose at all? Remember the boss in this secret minigame that sayed a part of kris enjoyed this?

Spantom’s body drops like a lifeless doll the moment its strings are cut. It’s not struggling. It’s not resisting. It’s just gone.

That image echoes something unsettling about Kris. If we, the player, decide to close the game, to turn away and never come back, what happens to them?

Does Kris stand there forever in a blank room, waiting for someone to move them again? Do they feel their consciousness fading like Spantom’s, becoming nothing but an empty shell? Or are they trapped in a half-dream, aware that we’re gone but unable to act?

Do you know the famous slap of sally and sonic in archie? welp, in reality the writer NEVER write that sally must slap sonic, the artist just hated see sonic and sally togueter being a sonamy fan and just make the slap just to make everyone hate on sally.

I find funny that people get berserked when they say someone say SONADOW CANON but when there is a amy and sonic doing something trivial togueter, nothing romantic, they are like OMG SONAMY CANON YAY!

they are making sonic more friendly with amy for no reason when in past games he was always running away from her and just for shipping porpuse, and for no reason they make shadow more mean and sonic literally being mean to him aswell when sonic and shadow, even if they are rival, they are friends that are show in the games and sonic always cheer up shadow and doesnt even make fun of his past.

Okay, so I have a question, because I’m seriously confused. SEGA blacklisted kotaku, right? Like, officially? no early game copies, no interviews, no access to inside info? they cut them off. that’s the whole point of a blakklist. It’s not a "maybe" thing, it’s a "this is over" thing.

So then… why is Katie, a SEGA employee, apparently in contact with Kotaku?

I mean- Why kate is in contanct with someone that leaks games before the release of them when is well know it is illegal?

SEGA cut off kotaku because of leaks, bad press, whatever. That means no official insider info is supposed to reach them. If you work at SEGA, you’re not supposed to be sharing anything with them. period.

she’s literally part of the company. That means she should be, you know, following company policies? Unless she’s acting rogue, which is a whole other mess.

Kotaku, besides the leaks, he threatedd with death threats, using one of their employes, nintendo because he simply he doesnt get a free game of legend of zelda: tears of the kingdom???

So what’s the deal here? Is katie just being reckless?

if the last one is true, then yikes. Like, Katie make the murder of sonic sinphony withouth the permission of sega and she is still working??? What are segas rules anyway???