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the millions of people that have come on here and other social media platforms were all lying about their experinces, no one has gotten into the void, no one shifted, no one can manifest. it was all a fucking lie come up with people with schizophernia. your right.

not only are the people from todays day and age lying about their experinces, but so where the

Vedic sages, yogis, rishis in

india

who wrote:

the Vedas (4 total) the Upanishads (~108 traditionally, ~10–13 major) the Bhagavad Gita the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali the Puranas (18 major) the Tantric texts (100+) the Advaita Vedanta texts the medieval yogi writings

they were all lying too, right? the same sages who spent:years,decades and entire lifetimes in isolation, meditation, and deep observation of their own consciousness just made it all up

the Upanishads describing: a state beyond waking,beyond dreaming beyond deep sleep a fourth state where there is no thoughts no duality no inside or outside, only awareness. that’s not what the void is, right?

the Mandukya Upanishad literally saying: there exists a state “not inwardly conscious, not outwardly conscious, not both… unseen, beyond thought, indescribable”

the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali describing: what happens when “the fluctuations of the mind cease” and what remains is: pure awareness without disturbance but yeah that’s totally not what people are trying to reach/how they describe being in the void.

the Bhagavad Gita teaching: detachment from identity, detachment from the outcomes, telling us to act without the ego becoming still, unaffected almost like you are not the “self” you think you are.

the entire philosophy of Advaita Vedanta saying: you are not your body you are not your mind your true nature is pure consciousness formless unchanging and silent and that the world you experience is not as solid as it seems.

the Tantric traditions going even further,not just describing the state but teaching how to enter it consciously through: breath focus and what happens is awareness reaching a state where everything disappears but only awareness remains. but yeah, they just imagined that too. thousands of years ago. before the internet before shared global communication before modern psychology they all faked the exact same experince.

and the monks in

Thailand, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Cambodia, and Laos

who wrote the Pali Canon thousands of pages of teachings, observations, and direct descriptions of the mind teaching there is no permanent “self” no fixed identity no unchanging “I” everything you think is “you” is changing, arising and disappearing moment to moment. but yeah they’ve obviously never actually seen reality as it is, right?

the Heart Sutra saying: “form is emptiness, emptiness is form” meaning: what you experience as solid reality has no fixed essence. things appear but are empty at their core.that has nothing to do with reality not being as real or solid as it feels.

the Diamond Sutra saying: let go of identity,ego,concepts and attachments and the moment you stop clinging to the false 3d you experience reality directly. not filtered, not constructed,not distorted by your ego just your true awareness. unrelated right?

the Lankavatara Sutra teaching: reality is shaped by mind and what you perceive what you experiencen is not independent it arises from consciousness itself. and these monks who spent: years decades entire lifetimes in meditation observing every thought every sensation every layer of awareness just made all of this up?

they didn’t actually experience the sweet sweet serenity of just being your pure awarness and the calmness that comes with being one with the divine(you) they just wrote thousands of pages for fun, right?obviously they were not documenting what they directly experienced.

and the monks in

china

who wrote the Platform Sutra teaching that the mind is originally pure not something you have to build not something you have to create but something that is already: empty clear aware and that everything thoughts identity and reality itself arises from this emptiness. but.. are you sure this has nothing to do with the void right?

“Originally there is nothing.” nothing to hold on to nothing to identify with nothing that is truly fixed the Gateless Gate asking questions like: “What is your original face before you were born?” questions that make no logical sense on purpose. because the goal is not to understand but to break thinking completely to push the mind(only your ego)into collapse until there are no thoughts left only awarenes. that’s definitely not what people describe when they say they reach the void.

and Zen itself teaching: that direct experience > theory not reading not thinking not analyzing not researching but seeing for yourself. experiencing. and yet people today spend more time : reading posts scrolling consuming content about the void instead of actually experiencing or even trying to get into the void or shifting . that’s not the problem at all. obviously.

and the Tao Te Ching teaching the universe comes from nothing. “Tao” litterally meaning formless,empty,ungraspable “Empty yourself of everything.Let the mind become still.” not add more not do more but remove thoughts, effort and identity until what remains is stillness,emptiness and awareness but yeah. that has nothing to do with what people experince in the void.

and the Zhuangzi teaching: reality is fluid identity is not fixed and that the “self” you think you are is not stable not permanent not real in the way you think it is, reality might be real but it is not true. telling you to forget yourself drop the ego drop the identity merge with everything(becoming one with the universe) until there is no separation no “you” vs “everything else” just awareness. and when you sit in this feeling and truly forget yourself,your thoughts,your identity what remains? but yeah. that’s definitely not the process people describe when entering the void, right?

and Taoism as a whole literally saying your natural state is emptiness thinking is disturbance and what you’re trying to reach is not something new but something you already are. but yeah. that’s not what people have been saying at all.

and of course it not like the monks in

tibet

who literally teach there is a state of pure empty awareness a state you can enter consciously but only if you do not fear it do not react to it because the moment you do you lose it. but yeah. that has nothing to do with what often happens to first time shifters who shift for the first time or get into the void for the first time right?

the tibetian book of dead literally says: right after death you enter a state called Clear Light where there is no body no thoughts no physical 3d world just: awareness, pure that’s definitely not what people call the void. it’s not like it’s described as “empty yet aware… luminous… infinite” and it’s not like they explain what happens next,that if you recognize this state stay calm and do not react you reach liberation. but if you panic you fall back, back into form,identity,illusion the 3d (which totally doesn’t sound like what happens when people get close and suddenly snap out of it, right?) but yeah. they were allll just imagining it. it’s not like this is literally awareness + nothingness the exact thing people today call the void state.

and its not like ancient civlizations in

egypt

who believed that before anything existed there was only: darkness infinite stillness and formlessness not space, not time, not matter infinite darkness

this state called Nun not a place not an object but the primordial void the source from which: everything emerges it being litterally described as: no sky no earth no time no gods just endless dark emptiness. that’s definitely not similar to anything people describe today. totally different from what people call the void.

and the Pyramid Texts teaching what happens after death describing the soul returning not to a physical place but to a formless state before creation back to the origin the beginning the void.

and the Coffin Texts describing: the journey through the afterlife not as something physical but as movement through darkness and formlessness returning to what existed before everything. and the entire concept they were teaching that, everything comes from emptiness that the universe began from Nun that emptiness is not nothing but the source of everything that creation itself came from the void. but yeah. completely meaningless. and that after death you don’t just disappear you return to darkness to formlessness to the original state

and it’s not like civilizations across the world who had no contact with each other no shared language, no shared systems described the same idea, that before everything there was: emptiness and beyond everything there is emptiness. all fake right?

and yeah also the sufis and mystics in

the middle east

who talk about Fana the annihilation of self, teaching that your ego disappears and your “I” disappears at your highest form of being. which means right now you think: “I am me” “I have an identity” but that “I” is temporary and falsely constructed the goal is to let that “I” dissolve. they describe it as losing yourself disappearing becoming nothing just existence. totally not what giving up your ego sounds like right?

it’s not like they say you don’t just become empty you become filled with: love unity and serenity

so their “void” is, empty of ego, but full of connection. and it’s not like they explain the process of reaching this state too, right?

through love and devotion focus on God (the good in life, the power of the supreme, the power within you) ego starts dissolving the “I” becomes weaker Fana (annihilation) no self remains and after that comes Baqa(remaining) you exist again but without ego dissolving into something bigger there is no boundary between: “you” and everything.

and it’s not like it is literally scientifically and mathematically true that in higher spatial dimensions (four and more), our 3D understanding of “inside” and “outside” fails. that concepts of boundary and containment vanish that objects can become unknotted that a 3D sphere can be removed from a closed 3D box without passing through its walls.

its not like saints, chritsian mystics and contemplatives and the bible in

europe

who wrote The Cloud of Unknowing teaching that you cannot understand truth and you cannot understand God through thinking and through logic that to reach the truth you must enter a state of not knowing no thoughts no understanding no identity letting go of everything you think you know until what remains is mental emptiness and silent awareness

but yeah. that has nothing to do with what people call the void, right?

and Jesus in the Bible saying:

“the kingdom of God is within you”

“You will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.”

“Whoever wants to follow me must deny themselves”

pointing to look inward, let go of ego and let go of identity

are you sure after reading all this as sure as you are with your doubts

its all just some crazy coincidence that all of this, people from across the GLOBE that had no way of communication had ideas that

point to the same thing?

note: yo this post took me so much time and energy to make😭 i had to do sm research and gather info from so many diff sources and yt videos (esp from yt videos) and plus this is just 40% of what i found this post cant get tooooo long lmaoo🤭i made this in hopes that you understand and that it STICKS that there is more proof of the void being real then there is that it isnt. also this was supposed to be an ans to this ask origially but it got way too long lmao