And of course there’s a factor that the big thing for him is making and persevering memories, so of course he’d be into scrapbooking—almost obsessively. His scrapbooks are vastly important to him—they’re him. They’re his life. Proof he exists. That he’s known. That he was loved.

Anyone who destroys or even jokes about destroying or stealing them—this is probably a big betrayal for Color. Betrayal of his trust.

I have no doubt he’d break down if something were to happen to his scrapbooks, his grief and betrayal and existential dread would likely translate into overwhelming rage and hatred at whoever did it. Regardless of who it was. Doesn’t matter if it was just a joke or a prank.

Those emotions may quickly then turn in on himself if he feels that his emotions are unkind or unjust towards whoever hurt him. Which could result in an outburst of emotions directed towards himself that, similar to what happened back in the Void with Gaster, requires external intervention to prevent him from either seriously harming/mutilating himself, or dying.

Other than scrapbooking, I also think he’d be big in both nature photography and Astrophotography.

Astrophotography makes Color feel more like Sans than he’s ever been in what feels eternity.

I like to think that the child who had the Integrity soul adored the stars, despite not knowing as much about them as Perseverance might (potentially being the type of soul who dabbles in various topics of information, such as scientific fields, and potentially had an interest in space for awhile) reminders that they aren’t alone. Mostly because it’s mentioned in the wikis that the Integrity soul attacks with stars and ballet shoes.

airing this out a bit cause it personally is bugging me a bit

Keep in mind though however these are MY opinions,how I see and interrupt the character.

Let me make this clear now,I am a system. And have felt like I could relate to killer for a long time now in a way I can't explain exactly unfortunately. I know the D.I.D stuff he shows is not on purpose yet that still sticks with me,it makes me feel seen as due to the fact we didn't know or view ourself very positively as a system for a very long time and struggled like him with the different parts or 'stages' for his case...

And it's a EXTREMELY complex thing too so im not putting any iron wall dnis over it or anything but I won't take any bad mouthing over the disorder being inherently 'bad' as it isn't. Killer survived but he didn't come out in one piece, he kape out broken,hurt emotionally and physically,abused and twisted in ways he reasonably never should have

And I feel that color doesn't do him much help...not everyone will want to try and grasp and understand the fact that Killer just isn't sans anymore,at all. Won't accept the fact of the different stages or anything being of their own personalities thats held yet part of a bigger picture that makes up *killer* and I feel color would be to fixated on trying to make him back to who he used to be before the trauma or force the idea of final fusion(where all alters in a system fuse into one personality) over trying to help killer in the ways he'd really need like therapy,any potential needed medication and to help killer sort out what would feel best for him be it to try and reach that single personality/stage state or accept his other parts and figure out how to navigate life like that as well even if it would be rocky as hell at first.

It isn’t Color who wants Killer to go back to being Sans. It’s Killer who wants to magically go back to being Sans. That is their canon. It’s Killer who says he wants his old life back, that he wants his brother back, that he wants to be Sans again. Color brings up his soul because it’s literally being used a tool to control him—and killer can never get what he’s saying he wants if something isn’t done to address his soul and the way it can be used against him.

All Color did was tell him to stop doing what everyone else wants, and then asked Killer what Killer wants. Killer told him what he wanted. Even if it may not actually be the most realistic or helpful thing for him in the end. Even if he later changes his mind.

Killer wants to be sans. Could color hyperfixate on trying to help him get what he wants? Sure, yes. But it wouldn’t be coming from a place of disrespect or wanting killer to be normal or thinking he knows what’s best or trying to control. It would be coming from a place of wanting to sincerely help his friend reclaim his life and independence, do the one thing for him that he has asked him to do.

But ultimately: Color has always respected what Killer wants. This is why Killer even trusted him enough to ask for help or explain his soul stages to him at all in the first place.

Do we think Beta's parental situation would impact his religion, and vice versa? For example, Mother Mary. Would his view of her change based on the perception of his biological mother, if he was abused by her somehow? Or would he look up to Mother Mary as a figure that his biological mother should've been, but wasn't?

Sure, I don’t see why his parental situation wouldn’t impact his religion, makes sense that it would—especially if we run with the idea that he’s Filipino (since Delta’s creator is from the Philippines), and according to Google, the Philippines is “the most predominantly Christian nation in Asia, with a large majority of Filipinos identifying themselves as Christian, particularly Catholic.”

This means there’s a high chance the human family Beta was born and/or raised in was likely to identify as Christian, very likely Catholic, and possibly raised up their youngest members into the religion.

I can also see his devotion, relationship with, and perception of Mother Mary changing both as he grows up and as he begins to meet and build with relationships with other older women in his life that could take on more maternal roles for him. His biological mother, his lola (grandmother), his tita (aunt), a teacher, a nun at the family church, and of course: Toriel.

And a female teacher could have a very big influence on little Beta’s relationship with his religion, life, his family, and Mother Mary based on this excerpt I found on Google about Filipino culture/religion:

“In terms of other Christian denominations, there is a strong presence of Protestant traditions in the Philippines, in part due to the United States colonisation of the country.

Many teachers from the United States were Protestants who were responsible for instituting and controlling the public education system of the country. As such, they had a strong influence over the Philippines, particularly with the dispersing of Protestant attitudes and beliefs.”

(Also, according to Google, “The Philippines is a global hub for nurses. It supplies the largest number of healthcare workers worldwide, with many Filipinos working internationally.”

This means that, depending on the exact year that Beta was alive (and died) and was living in the Philippines, he could’ve possibly grown up with healthcare workers or aspiring healthcare workers in his family—either his parent(s), aunts, uncles, siblings, etc.

This could also potentially mean that Beta may’ve accompanied family members on international trips or trips through the Philippines/Asia for their work.

Or if he didn’t or couldn’t accompany them, there’s an element of abandonment and/or neglect here—or if it’s someone like an older sibling or a cousin, there’s always a sense of “why couldn’t you be like them?” for Beta growing up.

(Also interesting to note that Filipinos that work abroad are known to send remittances (a large sum of money) and something called a “balikbayan box”—a box that contains various items such as clothing, household objects and gifts for their family—back home for their families.

A parent or parents that work abroad would often leave the care of their children in the hands of their own parents, their siblings, the other parent that doesn’t work abroad, even close family friends or those deemed their children’s godparents.

So in return for taking in the children, parent(s) send money back to financially support their families, through money or even in gifts and helpful items.

It’s also been recorded that even titos and titas (uncles & aunts) that work abroad would also send money and boxes back, and often help contribute towards their nieces and nephews education.

Education is noted to be an important value in Filipino culture, as is family—as many working abroad Filipinos are said to experience emotional distress whenever they’re unable to send money or boxes back to their families at home, because they worry they are failing their duties to respect and care for their families.

It’s possible that Beta had a family member that worked abroad he was never allowed to travel with, and in his eyes at least, he never received any letters, boxes, nothing from that family member.

Did they die? Did they abandon him? Did the family member he was left in the care of never tell or give him anything on purpose, for whatever reason?)

Perhaps Beta also grew up with the high expectations that he’d either work in healthcare, or in the church.

Was reading one of the wikis about the orange soul and its items a bit ago, thought of some things.

1. Beta says “tuff” instead of “tough.” Based on how the Short Name for the Tough Glove is Tuff Glove.

2. Of course, will only ever refer to his bandanna as “Mandanna.” Manly bandanna.

3. Because the flavor text when the tuff glove is checked describes it as a “worn pink leather glove,” I like to think that Beta thinks pink is a very manly color.

4. Because the mandanna is said to have abs drawn on them, i like to think Beta (like Color) has a tendency to draw on just about every object and surface he can. Usually things he considers to be manly and tuff of course. (Like manly abs and strong arms and sick ballet shoes and tuff ribbons.)

5. In the trivia section for the manly bandana on the wiki, it says the item appears to be a reference to the “Manly Bandana wearable by Flint in the game Mother 3.” I’m not completely sure who Flint is or what Mother 3 is about, but I’d imagine Beta/orange bravery souls probably do and may like the game/character.

Well, if we’re talking “canonically,” there is no mention of any religions or gods Killer may or may not believe in.

Because Killer can speak Arabic and Killer’s creator—rahafwabas—is Arab (I believe Saudi Arabian?) a lotta people headcanon Killer to also be Saudi/Arab, which often means some people also may like exploring and headcanoning Killer as a Muslim, a follower of the Islam religion.

However, these aren’t “canon.” And it’s also very important to keep in mind that although Killer now does not consider himself either human or monster, he was born and raised as a monster, alongside Monsterkind. Underground.

Monsterkind very likely developed their own religions, deities, beliefs, rituals, and texts. For example, the Prophecy and the Angel.

Pretty sure we don’t ever actually get to hear or learn Sans’ thoughts about either the Prophecy or the Angel in Undertale, though.

If you consider the Player to be the Angel in the Prophecy, and since Killer is aware of the Player’s existence—seemingly also aware somewhat of the existence of Creators, although he still calls them Players—and he’s aware that we’re the reason he’s like that, you could potentially view him as a follower of the Angel or the Players/Creators.

Or possibly that is how characters in-universe, who are not aware, view Killer—a sorta religious fanatic, or someone indoctrinated into a death cult—even though Killer himself may not have religious like feelings towards us.

To him, it’s possible that we are just a fact of his existence—not something that can or cannot be believed in, proven or disproven, we just are. We construct and code and program the world around him.

And it’s possibly those exact beliefs—that there’s something bigger than him, bigger than everyone, bigger than actual Gods like Reaper or Life or even the self proclaimed God of Negativity himself—that deepens Killer’s derealization, and his learned helplessness.

He doesn’t resist against Nightmare’s torture or angry outbursts, because it wouldn’t have happened if We didn’t want it to happen. He doesn’t attempt to leave or escape Nightmare, because he wouldn’t even be there if We didn’t want him to be.

If he does attempt to escape and gets caught, it only happened because We didn’t want him to leave Nightmare. He does things—like fight against the Stars in that one comic—because Nightmare “asked him to”—aka told or commanded him to—and it’s possible he reads it as Us telling him what to do through Nightmare.

(Of course, he makes sure to slip in one “and because it’s fun” when he’s answering Dream’s questions.)

If We want it, he wants it, and so it’s okay. Like he said to Color in that one comic.

I don’t think they ever stop being friends, so much as they are all adults in their 30s-40s (very late 20s at the least, maybe even early 50s in the oldest) and they all have independent lives, jobs, goals and dreams, responsibilities.

Not to mention, one of these individuals basically had their entire life and possibly various points of development stagnated, if not regressed, at a certain point for at least two decades (Color, being trapped in the Void and all).

That type of thing can not only change someone as a person (and probably not in any healthy, stable way), but can also even put them so far back that they have to relearn basic skills, have to learn new things that happened while they were away. It’s a very strong possibility that Color constantly feared not being able to be as independent or self reliant as he once was, before the Void.

So it’s not very surprising to me that Color would be the type to be daydreaming of traveling, of seeing the world, or the multiverse in this case, as soon as he was able to feel that maybe that could be an actual realistic possibility for him and his future (able to keep down food and water, able to walk without falling, adapting to his fucked up depth perception, able to have any energy to do anything besides sleep in minutes and force himself to stay awake because he doesn’t want to miss anything ever again, etc).

And given that he finally has a friend to share these thoughts to and have them actually talk back, one Color can be sure he’s not just imagining, i wouldn’t be surprised if Delta knew of Color’s wanderlust for quite awhile before it actually happened.

That being said, although the three physically drift apart for some time at some point in their lives, that doesn’t mean they don’t try to keep in touch. I mentioned in an old post that I do think Color really does need predictably and routines, especially after the Void, so I do believe he’d make it apart of his every morning and every night routine to get into contact with his two buddies. Both individually, and probably in their group chats where Epic and Delta spam memes and Epic keeps ragebaiting Dee.

Unfortunately though, I do think this would eventually be the period where Color and Epic are both relatively doing well mentally, physically, and emotionally (as well as can be expected), and also probably start getting pretty busy with immediate things—and although Color attempts to keep sticking to his same routine, Epic might get distracted and forgetful, especially if absorbed in work.

Inevitably, Color will stagger from his routine at some point, and he will take it very, very badly—to the point where time that was supposed to be dedicated to catching up is instead Delta calming Color down from a meltdown over the phone for most of the night.

And I just think this is probably the ideal period where Delta starting to experience breakdowns in his own coping and distraction mechanisms would probably make sense, both because Epic and Color being so far away can make him feel lonely and useless, but now because there’s rarely any other distractions outside of working for the Omega Timeline and going on solo missions out in the rest of the multiverse. There’s a sense that no one really “needs” him to be the strong one anymore.

Especially when Color and Epic physically leaving presses on an old, forgotten abandonment wound Beta didn’t even know he had—and now he can’t shut off the memories that keep being triggered, the emotions that are suffocating and destabilizing, and the nightmares that keep the whole of Delta awake for hours.

I do think the Epic Trio definitely will come back together in one spot physically—and it’ll definitely be because Color and Epic both miss Delta, and they’re concerned about him. Pattern recognition, ‘gut’ feelings, and a deep sense of just knowing Delta makes them feel that something is wrong.

I’d imagine the two of them planning to arrive back in the Omega Timeline to visit Dee wouldn’t be any secret or anything though, not one of those things hidden because they want to “surprise” him. Mainly because I definitely do think Color would be the type to hate surprises or pretending to not know or forget things about people for the sake of things like surprises.

I’m not an expert on characters like Murder and Horror, so those who are who happen to come upon this can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ll try my best to answer.

For Killer, the answer is a very big yes. In his comics, Killer thinks to himself things like how he can’t be Sans, because Sans wouldn’t kill Papyrus—and this is one of the reasons why he knows he’s “different.” In asks, it’s revealed that Killer doesn’t think he has earned the right to be called Sans again or to ever change his name from Killer. He talks about how he wants to change in his Good Ending—how he wants to be Sans again, and begs Color to help him with doing that.

(To which Color seems to think the way to do that is to somehow fix Killer’s soul—suggesting that the way Killer’s soul was unwillingly changed without his consent had a major effect on Killer’s sense of identity and perception on himself. On top of that, his code—like in a video game, meta sense—was altered from his normal coding to “k1ll_sans,” and we see that code seems to be tied to, potentially “active,” depending on what state (Stage) his soul is in.)

On top of that, there’s the whole “two personalities” thing. A lot of debates in the fandom on what exactly this is supposed to be or represent, but most seem to agree that it is dissociative in nature—so the idea of this character, Sans, having developed a dissociative disorder due to the events of this timeline (Something New timeline) isn’t too far fetched.

According to Google, “Dissociative disorders are mental health conditions that involve a loss of connection between thoughts, memories, feelings, identity, behavior, and surroundings. They can involve involuntary escape from reality and are often linked to breakdowns in memory, awareness, identity, or perception.”

So yes, Killer does not consider himself Sans—or at least, not the Sans he was, and he seems to consider himself different from both alternate timeline Sanses and especially from alternate universe Sanses. This whole identity has a very big hold on his day to day life—Nightmare can use it to override his choices, perceptions, thoughts and emotions. Killer relies internally on these two “personalities” on making his own choices.

He seems to experience black outs and loss of control of his own body when encountering something that triggers his soul into Stage 4 (or when something triggers a flashback that winds up triggering that Stage).

He talks about himself in Stage 3 in a very removed, detached way—not as if it’s a different person entirely, but in a way that suggests that he either doesn’t have control over himself when in Stage 3, or that he doesn’t see any issues with anything he does when in Stage 3 or why he shouldn’t do it or not want to do it because it makes sense to him when he’s “like that.”

He talks about himself when in Stage 2 in a very similar—only with less emphasis on “immediately kill me” and more on “don’t trust me when I’m like that. Ever.”

For Horror, it’s to my understanding that he doesn’t really have any reason or need to consider himself not Sans—Horrortale doesn’t seem to dive much into AU stuff canonically. I do know he seems to have some type of amnesia and/or memory issues, as well as seemingly a bit of a personality change—but that seems to be due to both his skull injury, his current situation and environment, and the trauma of his attempted murder and betrayal of his two friends.

But his identity and sense of self seems to be mostly intact—he is Sans, even if he may or may not remember long stretches of his life before the events of Horrortale.

As for Murder, he also seems to have an intact identity and sense of self—he is Sans—but just different, thanks to time, trauma and stress, as well as his own actions and choices driven by his own desperation. I remember reading somewhere that he just doesn’t like who he was before.

As for Delta and Color, this one’s a little tricky, as not only has that type of stuff not been very picked into in their canons (and Delta has very little), but they also absorbed human souls—souls that belonged to entirely separate, developing beings with their own personalities, senses of selves, experiences and memories, and therefore likely their own motivations, desires, narrative and interpretations of events, goals, dreams, and voices.

I know Gaster still calls Color by “Sans” in the canon Othertale material—but like Horror, it’s not actually canon that Color ever leaves his universe and starts meeting and interacting with other alternate universe characters, besides his encounter with Core Frisk in the Void. He’s also aware of alternate timelines, but not alternate universes.

Not to mention—Color (or Sans) would’ve realistically spent about two decades of his life completely trapped in the Void and isolated from the rest of the world, both physically but also in their own memories.

The person he was doesn’t even exist or matter to anyone else in Othertale. This is bound to cause some identity issues, on top of the dissociating and daydreaming that the trauma and stress and just loss of everything he knows is bound to have—already with the six human souls layered on top like a fucked up identity cake.

We know that superyoumna has said that the souls is not like “multiple personalities,” but adding traits on top of Sans (possibly in a way that makes Color), and we have seen a few drawings of that in action—“you’re filled with Kindness”—and although nothing obviously changed other than the color of Color’s flames and eyelight, it does seem have an almost possessive effect on Color and his behaviors when that happens.

To the point that he’d disregard others boundaries and others saying no in an attempt to be kind, almost in the way a friendly but excited child would—like, for example, very tightly and very suddenly hugging Cross even as Cross struggles, attempts to push Color off, tells him to get off, and calls him a freak.

For Delta, we do see the Bravery soul and Sans communicating—with Bravery encouraging and picking Sans up when his grief and depression stops him from wanting to keep fighting anymore. Gives me the idea that Delta is almost like a fusion from Steven Universe.

Well, the Philippines is a pretty big, diverse place. The most common languages may be English and Filipino, but there are regional languages as well, so it’s likely that Beta would’ve been raised multilingual.

There are over 120 indigenous languages in the Philippines, so even within the same country, birth citizens could technically have different native/first languages. But for simplicity’s sake we’ll just keep to Filipino, since it’s the national language and based on Tagalog.

According to Google, kuya is often used to refer to older brothers and cousins, friends, and any older male. It can be used for both family members and strangers, so it’s possible Beta may refer to Delta, Color and/or Epic as kuya.

It can be used as prefix—Kuya Delta, Kuya Color, Kuya Epic—or as a standalone term—“Kuya, can you help me?” This is usually both a sign of affection and respect.

Many people remember that Delta can travel around universes, albeit extremely clumsily, and most likely, he's generally poorly oriented in the universe. But that's not the main thing. Has anyone even thought about WHY he can do this? If absorbing a Human Soul was enough for him to jump around universes, then Color could also open a portal and escape the Void without Core!Frisk's help. Maybe I'm asking a bit of a difficult question, but nevertheless, I'm curious what you think about this?

The reason given as to why Color can’t is because too much use of his powers risks killing him. He’s able to bring others like Undyne into the Void, but it’s briefly mentioned that the first time Color attempted to leave himself, he almost “shattered” and he’s only still there because of Gaster.

It is unknown if he was attempting to escape, if it was a suicide attempt, or an act of self harm and endangerment—a reckless disregard for his own safety—even if Color wasn’t exactly wanting or planning to die at the moment, just didn’t care for any risks if it meant getting out.

There’s also the simple fact that, well, Gaster didn’t want Sans to get out or leave. In the scripts we were allowed to see a few months ago, it was shown that Gaster was willing to lie, sabotage, and stall to keep Sans in the Void with him.

(Which means there’s a possibility that Gaster could’ve both exaggerated the danger and risks, as well as his own involvement in saving Sans’ life, in order to both make Sans wary of attempting again and to create a sense of gratitude and indebtedness towards Gaster.)

On top of that, Color doesn’t actually canonically know about the existence of multiverses. Only alternate timelines—so if he ever ended up in the wider multiverse, it’d be both by pure accident and chance, but also at great risk to himself. He’s probably more likely to end up in an alternate timeline than an alternate universe. I’m talking like, Something New, Dustale, Horrortale, various canonical Undertale endings like Pacifist, Neutral, No Mercy, etc.

So basically—why hasn’t Color opened a portal and escaped the Void himself if one human soul was enough to give Delta that ability? He can’t know to jump to other universes if he doesn’t know for sure they exist or where they are let alone how to get there, and he hasn’t attempted to escape again using the souls’ abilities after the first try went horribly wrong.

Had a random thought while scrolling through the arcane tag but the way some caitvi shippers hate on Maddie for “getting in the way of caitvi” instead of also hating Caitlyn (both cait and Maddie, but I feel there’s a lot better reasons to dislike Maddie outside of “ruining” a relationship that was hardly even a relationship like Cait wasn’t equally as willing and responsible—such as ya know, being an indoctrinated seemingly sadistic spy helping a military force invade and conquer another nation) for—

not only choosing to sleep with and share her bed with another woman while the one who she supposedly “loves” is being beaten in a pit for money and drinking herself half to death,

But also using her power and authority and money and position to oppress and abuse the people of Zaun instead of helping them or even using all those resources to look for Vi and apologize or some shit,

Also abusing her power over Maddie. Maddie introduced herself to Vi as a “junior officer.”

Caitlyn is a Commander/Sheriff. She is Maddie’s commander. She is Maddie’s superior. Now I don’t know if the Enforcers would be considered more like the police force or the military, maybe both, but I think this could be considered Fraternization and an abuse of her power.

Now we all know that it turns out Maddie is a Noxus spy and her superior is actually Ambessa, but Caitlyn doesn’t know this. She believes she has power, authority, and rank over Maddie. She believes Maddie is her subordinate.

Caitlyn abuses her power and authority in more ways than one, and if Maddie weren’t a Noxus spy and Ambessa wasn’t buddy buddy with Caitlyn, Caitlyn could’ve very well ruined Maddie’s life and career if she so chose to do so on a whim,

Not to mention: Maddie’s whole spy gig wouldn’t have worked at all if Caitlyn weren’t so eager to abuse her authority and sleep with her subordinates.

Between Maddie and Vi, maybe Cait has a thing for women who are of less power and privilege than her—or at least women she views that way. Or maybe she just truly is that blind and ignorant of the power and privilege she has, or perhaps she just doesn’t care.

Regardless, it’s a little strange. Caitlyn is a full grown woman who has enough power to declare martial law and a warlord of another nation and her forces behind her. Maddie is a junior officer, who Cait does not know is actually a spy.

She is perfectly okay with the knowledge of this, and felt it was perfectly okay to allow a relationship with someone below her in rank and status and authority.

This sets up an inherent power dynamic where, in a more realistic world or if the writers had acknowledged this/Maddie hadn’t been a spy, she very well could’ve been at a risk of being fired or discharged from her job if she ever decided she didn’t want to sleep with her Boss anymore; even if the reason is as simple as Cait doesn’t want to take the risk of Maddie telling anyone and getting her in trouble.

Or, considering the fact that Cait had the power to declare martial law and is basically a dictator, could potentially have Maddie executed and claim it was for reasons such as “treason” or “being a traitor,” regardless of if it’s actually true or not in this scenario. Because Cait has so much power that her word is basically law, especially when compared to Maddie’s.