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“Don't tell me you're not beautiful. You're the kind of beautiful the blind would see if we could figure out some way to give them three seconds of sight.”
West Wilson won't be returning to Summer House and lowkey they need to remove Amanda from next season too and simply keep her on In the City. If not, then Kyle & Lindsay have got to stop trying to push this narrative that Amanda is some victim that West manipulated because it's gotten old real fast.
It's completely fine if that's what they have to tell themselves in order to rationalize the situation, but the last thing I want to see is them pushing that stance for an entire season of Summer House around Ciara. That minimizes Amanda's role in the hurt caused to Ciara, and I'm not vibing with it. Ciara deserves better than that.
Ntm, it's making ppl's sympathy towards Kyle decrease lol. It's also quickly making him & Lindsay become unlikable.
Amanda is not some child that needs to be coddled. She's a grown woman; no one is falling for this narrative that West was some pied piper who played some snake song that caused her to lose her critical thinking skills. She was 100% aware of the pain dating him would cause Ciara, and she knew it would end their friendship. She knew it was not the actions of someone who calls themselves a friend. Yet she decided that the feelings she had for West were so strong that it was worth destroying that.
Yes, West is a snake & a trash human being. That's always going to be true. But that's never going to erase the fact that Amanda is also a snake lol. If Kyle and Lindsay were smart, they'd stop trying to convince us that 2+2 equals something other than 4.
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i know how hard it is to find multi-chapter fics where rosekiller is actually the main ship so here's my current list of ones i've read / am reading:
(i copy pasted the full ao3 link with the tags and summaries and everything so there's a lot of text beneath the cut btw, i'd just rather have more info than not enough)
100k+ words & completed:
Head Over Feet (136890 words) by sanguinerose
Chapters: 27/27
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier
Characters: Evan Rosier, Barty Crouch Jr., Regulus Black, Marlene McKinnon, Pandora Lovegood, Emmeline Vance
Additional Tags: Friends to Lovers, Alternate Universe - High School, Slow Burn, Fluff and Angst, Internalized Homophobia, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Bad Parenting, Falling In Love, Everyone Is Gay, Smoking, Evan Rosier Needs a Hug, Idiots in Love, Explicit Sexual Content, Developing Friendships, Drinking, First Love, Barty Crouch Jr. is a Little Shit, French Evan Rosier, Bisexual Barty Crouch Jr., Demisexual Evan Rosier
Summary:
“This is a really bad idea, Barty.”
Barty hums, nose brushing against Evan’s. Despite his words, his hand found its way to the back of Barty’s neck, keeping him close.
“Then tell me to stop.”
“You know I won’t."
Evan moves back from France to England after over a decade with very little expectations. He’s never really had any friends and he’s used to people stepping out of his life—why would this time be any different? He’s ready to spend his remaining years at high school alone. Luckily for Evan, a few people don’t seem to let him.
So Look At Me In The Eye (Is Anyone There At All?) (169768 words) by picture2burn
Chapters: 43/43
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Regulus Black/James Potter, Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, Marlene McKinnon/Dorcas Meadowes
Characters: Barty Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier, Regulus Black, Dorcas Meadowes, Pandora Lovegood, Sirius Black, James Potter, Remus Lupin, Marlene McKinnon
Additional Tags: Slytherin, Chaotic Barty Crouch Jr., slytherin skittles, Rosekiller, Alternate Universe - No Voldemort, Alternate Universe - Everyone Lives/Nobody Dies, Happy Ending, everyone will be happy mark my words, Fluff and Angst, Lots of Angst, i'll add tags as the story goes on, POV Multiple, evan and barty pov, Friends to Lovers, Slow Burn, i cant believe i forgot to add that tag, this shit is very slow burn tho
Summary:
Barty Crouch Jr. and Evan Rosier have been friends since they were kids. Nothing could change the bond between them, no matter what.
Until they start falling in love with each other.
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Or, Barty and Evan realize things aren't how they were meant to be.
like real people do (147431 words) by tsprongs
Chapters: 19/19
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, Underage Sex
Relationships: Bartemius Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Pandora Rosier & Evan Rosier, Pandora Rosier & Bartemius Crouch Jr, Regulus Black/James Potter, Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, Pandora Lovegood/Emmeline Vance, Mary Macdonald/Lily Evans Potter
Characters: Bartemius Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier, Pandora Rosier, Original Male Character(s), Regulus Black, Remus Lupin, Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, Dorcas Meadowes, Marlene McKinnon, Andromeda Black Tonks, Narcissa Black Malfoy, Lily Evans, Mary Macdonald (Harry Potter), James Potter, Emmeline Vance, Hestia Jones, Benjy Fenwick, Caradoc Dearborn, Amelia Bones, Edgar Bones
Additional Tags: Rosekiller, Jegulus, MacEvans, dorlene, wolfstar, Everyone Is Gay, Modern Marauders (Harry Potter), Alternate Universe - Modern Setting, Alternative Universe - FBI, Alternate Universe - Criminals, mexican barty, POC James Potter, Good Peter Pettigrew, Gay Evan Rosier, Gay Bartemius Crouch Jr., bartemius crouch jr & pandora rosier friendship, Lesbian Lily Evans, get lily evans her own tag, ex snily friendship, Angst with a Happy Ending, Angst, Fluff, Marauders as Found Family, Alternate Universe, james potter & bartemius crouch jr. friendship, Friendship, Pre-Relationship, Developing Relationship, Friends to Lovers, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, POV Multiple, Minor Character Death, Original Character(s), Plus-Size Lily Evans Potter, Non-binary character, Endgame Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black & Evan Rosier Friendship, POV Alternating, Regulus Black & Barty Crouch Jr. Friendship, Trans Regulus Black, Trans Pandora Lovegood, Trans Male Character, Trans Female Character, Autism, Autism Spectrum
Summary:
“First of all, I would like to say that every single bit of work you’ve done in this case is greatly appreciated, and you have saved so many lives,” she says. Barty’s heart drops for a moment.
“You’re not taking me off it?” He says.
“No,” she shakes her head quickly. “Of course not. I’d like you to be the agent who stays with Evan Rosier in the safe house.”
“You what?” Barty stares at her. No way. “Absolutely not. No way in hell. I respect you, Andromeda, but there is no way I’m staying in a house with that man for however long we have to.”
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"so i will not ask you,
why you were creeping,
in some sad way,
i already know."
like real people do by hozier
A star for a summer's day (142778 words) by her_smile_forges_galaxies
Chapters: 26/26
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Regulus Black/Barty Crouch Jr., Regulus Black/James Potter, Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, James Potter/Evan Rosier, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Sirius Black/Remus Lupin
Characters: Regulus Black, Barty Crouch Jr., James Potter, Evan Rosier, Remus Lupin, Sirius Black, Pandora Lovegood, Dorcas Meadowes, Euphemia Potter, Poppy Pomfrey, Peter Pettigrew
Additional Tags: Fake/Pretend Relationship, Alternate Universe - No Voldemort, Bartylus, Rosekiller, Jegulus, Remus and Regulus friendship, wolfstar, slytherin skittles, Jealousy, Fluff and Angst, Gay Regulus Black, Bisexual Barty Crouch Jr., Gay Evan Rosier, Pansexual James Potter, Gay Remus Lupin, Bisexual Sirius Black, Moonseeker friendship, Hurt/Comfort, Happy Ending, Background Wolfstar, family trauma, POV Multiple, Angst with a Happy Ending, Two can play at that game, Fake Dating, Implied Sexual Content, Quidditch, Past Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Slow Burn, Gryffindor Party, No beta we die like Regulus Black did in the cave, Asexual Evan Rosier, Regulus Black Needs a Hug
Summary:
Barty is in love with Evan, and he doesn't know what to do about it.
Regulus is in love with James, and he doesn't know what to do about it.
Luckily for both of them, Barty has a foolproof plan (or maybe not so full proof after all, but you can't blame a guy for trying)
note: i know the first two ships tagged are bartylus and jegulus, but this fic is basically equally rosekiller and jegulus, bartylus is just an intermediate
Beneath the Mask (105164 words) by orphan_account
Chapters: 44/44
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Regulus Black/James Potter/Lily Evans Potter, Pandora Lovegood/Xenophilius Lovegood
Characters: Evan Rosier, Barty Crouch Jr., Minor Characters, Patil Family (Harry Potter), Pandora Lovegood, Regulus Black, Winky | Crouch Family House-Elf, Gregory Goyle's Father, Rosier Family (Harry Potter), Bartemius "Barty" Crouch Sr., Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody, James Potter, Lily Evans Potter
Additional Tags: Angst, Fluff and Angst, Domestic Fluff, Death Eaters, Azkaban, Not Canon Compliant, Department of Mysteries (Harry Potter), Asexual Evan Rosier, Bisexual Barty Crouch Jr., Friends to Lovers, Seer Evan Rosier, Evan Rosier-centric, Past Regulus Black/Barty Crouch Jr., Established Regulus Black/James Potter, Established Regulus Black/James Potter/Lily Evans Potter, POV Barty Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier Lives, Barty Crouch Jr. Lives, Unspeakable Regulus Black, Unspeakable Pandora Lovegood, Underage Drinking, Underage Smoking, Canon-Typical Violence, Anti-Muggle Content, Propaganda, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Hurt/Comfort, The Power Of Love, They're both a bit not good, POV Evan Rosier, POV Alternating
Series: Part 6 of Through the Pensieve
Summary:
It's been nearly a year since Evan was released from Azkaban, and he needs to move on with his life, but it's hard when he's followed by Aurors and pressured by his family to begin working with Robert Goyle, all while being haunted by his past and unsure if he's losing his mind.
Evan's story is broken up with the memories of Barty Crouch Jr, starting with their first year at Hogwarts and leading to where they are now.
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Is Love the most powerful form of magic, and can it counter a blood curse?
Incomplete but on their way to 100k+ words:
Psychotic kids (85573 words) by QuillFire
Chapters: 15/?
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black & Barty Crouch Jr. & Pandora Lovegood & Dorcas Meadowes & Evan Rosier, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, Regulus Black/James Potter, Pandora Lovegood/Xenophilius Lovegood, Marlene McKinnon/Dorcas Meadowes
Characters: Evan Rosier, Barty Crouch Jr., Regulus Black, Pandora Lovegood, Dorcas Meadowes, James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Lily Evans Potter, Mary Macdonald (Harry Potter), Marlene McKinnon, Xenophilius Lovegood, Emmeline Vance, Sybill Trelawney, Fabian Prewett, Gideon Prewett (Harry Potter), Molly Weasley, Arthur Weasley, Benjy Fenwick, Alice Longbottom, Frank Longbottom, Bellatrix Black Lestrange, Narcissa Black Malfoy, Andromeda Black Tonks, Lucius Malfoy, Rosier Family (Harry Potter)
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Modern Setting, Alternate Universe - Non-Magical, Alternate Universe - High School, Pandora Lovegood and Evan Rosier are Twins, Demisexual Evan Rosier, POV Evan Rosier, French Evan Rosier, Bisexual Barty Crouch Jr., POV Barty Crouch Jr., Trans Regulus Black, Strangers to Lovers, Slow Burn, Mental Health Issues, Recreational Drug Use, Underage Drinking, Angst, French Sirius Black, French Regulus Black, Family Issues, Dysfunctional Family, Family Dynamics, Family Bonding, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Tags May Change, Tags Contain Spoilers, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Implied Sexual Content, Suicidal Thoughts, Child Abuse, Transphobia, Suicide Attempt, Implied/Referenced Self-Harm, Domestic Violence, Past Domestic Violence, Implied/Referenced Domestic Violence, Coercion, Emotional Manipulation, Manipulation, Child Neglect
Summary:
The first thing Evan ever remembered was sunlight streaming through a window, warm and golden, brushing over his skin. It felt like a promise, but promises lie. After his father’s death, Evan returns to the UK, to a family he doesn’t know, people he doesn’t trust, and a life he doesn’t want waiting for him.
Barty is chaos incarnate: loud, touchy, and impossible to ignore. He’s hell-bent on breaking every rule, but somehow, Evan doesn’t crumble. That only makes Barty want to tear him apart — or hold him closer.
Pandora has always felt like something is missing — a piece of herself ripped away before she could understand what it was. Her dreams are fleeting, but her determination to find what’s lost is unshakable.
Regulus is sharp-eyed and sharper-tongued, keeping his emotions locked away. Beneath his calm exterior lies quiet rage and unspoken battles.
Dorcas is bold, sarcastic, and fiercely loyal. She offers no pity — only the strength and love that demand you keep going, even when you want to stop.
In a world full of noise, anger, and desperation, the question isn’t whether they’ll tear each other down — it’s whether they’ll find a way to hold each other up before it’s too late.
Perilous Things (96653 words) by cuntycrouch
Chapters: 15/?
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Mature
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black/James Potter, Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, others, Regulus Black & Sirius Black, The Marauders - Relationship, Regulus Black & Barty Crouch Jr. & James Potter & Evan Rosier, Sirius Black & Remus Lupin & Peter Pettigrew & James Potter, Marlene McKinnon/Dorcas Meadowes, Regulus Black & Barty Crouch Jr. & Pandora Lovegood & Dorcas Meadowes & Evan Rosier, Regulus Black/Barty Crouch Jr., Grant Chapman (MsKingBean89)/Remus Lupin, Mary Macdonald/Peter Pettigrew
Characters: Barty Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier, Remus Lupin, James Potter, Regulus Black, Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, Marlene McKinnon, Dorcas Meadowes, Mary Macdonald (Harry Potter), Lily Evans Potter, Pandora Lovegood, Ted Tonks, Andromeda Black Tonks, Grant Chapman (MsKingBean89)
Additional Tags: Barty Crouch Jr. Being an Asshole, Evan not having it, Football | Soccer, Angst, James the sun potter, Marauders Era (Harry Potter), Marauders, Alternate Universe - High School, Daddy Issues, Reg and Barty are literature nerds, Angst and Fluff and Smut, Peter and Evan are besties, Alternate Universe - Football, Rosekiller AU, Modern Marauders (Harry Potter), Enemies to Lovers
Summary:
A Rosekiller centered football/high school au.
Barty never care much about making friends. He never cared much about anything, to be honest. Then came Britain, a new school, football and mainly James fucking Potter need for team spirit.
Complete fics <100k words:
A serpent and his rose (65028 words) by LovelyLittleManiac
Chapters: 18/18
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling, Marauders - Fandom, Marauder - Fandom
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence
Relationships: Bartemius Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black & Bartemius Crouch Jr., Regulus Black/James Potter
Additional Tags: Minor Marlene McKinnon/Dorcas Meadowes, Minor Pandora Lovegood/Lily Evans, Minor Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, LGBTQ Character, Mild Sexual Content, POV Barty Crouch Jr., Bisexual Barty Crouch Jr., Trans Regulus Black, Gay Regulus Black, Gay Evan Rosier, Non-Binary Pandora Lovegood, Rosekiller, Starchaser, Bartylus, Slytherin skittles dealing with Hogwarts life, love drama, Barty being a dramatic little shit, lots of fluff, Some mild traumatic homelife stuff, Not Canon Compliant, Evan is Amazing, JUST KISS ALREADY, CAN SOMEONE TELL THESE IDIOTS THEY'RE IN LOVE?
Summary:
A Non-canon compliant, Barty POV, Rosekiller fic, that starts off with a fun Darkstar (Bartylus) FWB relationship and shows a glimpse into the life of the Slytherin skittles in their final Hogwarts years. Lots of love drama, lots of fluff, some pain.
Rosekiller (and Jegulus) endgame!!
when the butterflies turned to dust (26865 words) by cukrkandl
Chapters: 8/8
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black & Barty Crouch Jr. & Pandora Lovegood & Dorcas Meadowes
Characters: Barty Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier, Regulus Black, Pandora Rosier, Dorcas Meadowes
Additional Tags: Fake Dating, that's the only cute part now for the warnings lmao:, Self-Worth Issues, Past Sexual Assault, Internalized Homophobia, Internalized Acephobia, people pleaser barty crouch, but it's like super intense and not healthy at all, First Kiss, First Date, Asexual Barty Crouch Jr., Asexual Evan Rosier, Trans Evan Rosier, Friendship, Angst, Fixing broken friendships, barty just wants to be a good person, it's kinda sad ngl, Allonormativity, No actual sex happens, just past references, Minor Jegulus, Minor Dorlene, past unrequited bartylus, Implied/Referenced Underage Sex, Past Abuse, Happy Ending, Alternate Universe - No Voldemort, Transphobia
Summary:
Instead of dealing with his extensive issues, Barty somehow finds himself the Hogwarts' go-to guy for girls who want to lose their virginity. It's weird, he knows, but he doesn't realize exactly how weird until Evan asks him too. Barty doesn't know him very well; he and Pandora only switched places at the beginning of the year, and Barty's never talked to him much before. What he does know, though, is that he can't just do that to his best friend's brother. Instead, he decides to fake date Evan to show him what a perfect relationship should look like. Despite never having been in one. And not liking boys at all. Or sex.
Straight A's (32167 words) by stargirly161
Chapters: 14/14
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Minor or Background Relationship(s)
Characters: Evan Rosier, Barty Crouch Jr., Pandora Lovegood, Regulus Black, Dorcas Meadowes, Lily Evans Potter, James Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - High School, Alternate Universe - Muggle, Academic Rivals to Lovers, Rivals to Lovers, Rivals to Friends to Lovers, Pandora Lovegood and Evan Rosier are Siblings, rosier twins, POV Alternating, POC Evan Rosier, Gay Evan Rosier, Everyone Is Gay, background Dorlene, background jegulus, they hate each other, or do they, Betting, Texting, Happy Ending, Fluff, I just want them to be happy, Fluff and Angst, barely any angst though, they are so stubborn, Slow Burn, Like really slow, not canon whatsoever, no beta we die like regulus in the cave, Underage Smoking, Tension, Flirting, Getting Together, Falling In Love, Background Pandalily - Freeform, toxic family expectations
Summary:
"Their grades had been acting like a sick game of tug-of-war, alternating like the phases of the moon, waxing in one of their favours before waning and swapping power to the other. Switching between first and second place like neither of them could find their footing on the podiums."
Or, Evan Rosier and Barty Crouch Jr start their last year of sixth form determined to each be top of their class. Tests, bets and group projects force them to reconsider their fierce academic rivalry and maybe, possibly, discover that there's a thin line between love and hate.
Two Sides of the Same Coin (24827 words) by anything706
Chapters: 15/15
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Lily Evans/Mary Macdonald, Marlene McKinnon/Dorcas Meadowes, Regulus Black/James Potter, Sirius Black/Remus Lupin, Barty Crouch Jr. & Mary Macdonald
Characters: Barty Crouch Jr., Evan Rosier, Mary Macdonald (Harry Potter), Lily Evans, Regulus Black, James Potter, Marlene McKinnon, Dorcas Meadowes, Pandora Lovegood, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew
Additional Tags: Fake/Pretend Relationship, Idiots in Love, Angst, everyones whipped, and oblivious, Established Jegulus, established dorlene, established wolfstar, I'm Bad At Tagging, everyones gay, i know barty and mary wouldn't have the same potions class, just roll with is, probably add tags later, short ass chapters, sorry about that, i don't know how to properly end fics, asexual evan, BI BARTY, bi lily, bi mary
Summary:
“You want me to flirt with someone in front of Lily?” Mary asked skeptically.
“Why not take it a step further and date somebody, then see her reaction to you doing all these coupley things with someone that isn’t her, it’s perfect.”
“Why would I want to string somebody along just to break up with them once I figure out what Lily thinks.” Oh he didn’t really think of that.
“Eh so what?” He shrugs, “not that big a deal.”
“That would just be cruel Barty.”
“Then just get someone to fake date you.”
Cause I'm Just A Teenage Dirtbag, Baby (29095 words) by trinaveva
Chapters: 7/7
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings, No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Barty Crouch Jr./Evan Rosier, Regulus Black/James Potter
Characters: James Potter, Regulus Black, Sirius Black, Evan Rosier, Barty Crouch Jr.
Additional Tags: Enemies to Lovers, Alternate Universe - High School, Angst with a Happy Ending, Hurt/Comfort, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Underage Drinking, Underage Smoking, Jealousy, Implied/Referenced Abuse, Evan Rosier Needs a Hug, Pandora Lovegood and Evan Rosier are Twins, Protective Barty Crouch Jr., Minor Regulus Black/James Potter, Body Shots, barty calls evan rosie, Internalized Homophobia, Sharing a Bed, Evan Rosier is a Little Shit, Good Barty Crouch Jr., James Potter & Evan Rosier Friendship
Summary:
Evan wasn't looking at Crouch, He was just … glancing around. It's not his fault if Barty’s stupid bright green strands stood out, or the fact that black lines of whatever tattoo he had could be seen peaking out from under his shirt, tracing down his back, or how when he stood up and stretched Evan got a glimpse of his waistband, and if he looked closely he could make out the h-
‘-VAN?! Mate, lunch is over, everyone left. ‘ James was stood over Evan, looking at him with soft brown eyes, a steady tan hand on his shoulder, gently shaking him. ‘You were staring again..’
Or; Evan is a handsome, popular footballer. Barty is a skater, outcast. They have never really gotten along, but for some reason they can't quite seem to leave each other alone.
Bravo said not so fast lmao. They know I'm gonna watch this Summer House: The Aftermath, and I know I'm gonna watch this aftermath episode lol.
So from this snippet - lemme give my first thought reactions :
I'm glad that Lindsay told Amanda that she should feel stupid. And atp, if she did choose to end her relationship with West, it might mend her friendship with West, it might mend things between her & Lindsay, but I don't see it mending things between her & Ciara. And that's fine bc Amanda has shown that she doesn't deserve a friend like Ciara, hell, she even said it herself at the reunion. Dropping him now, in the aftermath, won't change a damn thing about that, lol.
West saying to Kyle that he's loved her for a long, long time is incriminating. Someone else tweeted this, but if Kyle was smart, he would have his lawyer subpoena Amanda's phone for the texts between her and West, cause lowkey it comes off as West confirming that something likely was going on between them in 2025.
West texting Meija after the reunion, "You win," confirms that 1) he was in an exclusive relationship with her & 2) that he wasn't expecting the other individuals in the house to reach out to her so that he would get exposed even more.
I hope the audience gets more clarity, maybe now that West & Amanda are having separate one-on-one conversations. If not, this could have just been a filmed discussion between Meija & Ciara alone tbqh.
Pre-menstrual depression is always depicted as like "He He! I had a box of icecream bars and cried while watching the Titanic!" But in reality, it's more like, "I'm standing the edge of an abyss. There is nothing good inside of me, I'm filled with rage and desperation."
It's crazy that being told how to deal with that is never a part of anyone's menstrual sex education.
This has already been said in the notes, but if PMS causes extreme depression and even suicidal ideation, that is in fact something that most people do not experience and it can be treated
Like for the majority it really is "oh i'm hungrier and moodier than usual"
^this should be a part of sex education so the point still stands
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I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I lowkey think it was important for Andy to ask Ciara whether she regrets being a shoulder to cry on regarding advocating for Amanda to leave her shitty marriage because it goes to show what type of character Ciara has. She easily could have said, "had I known that Amanda would do me like this, then no, I wouldn't have been such a good friend to her," & there would ppl who'd agree, but there would also be ppl who use it as another reason to vilify Ciara as they've already been doing.
One of the key issues in Amanda's marriage to Kyle was that he didn't treat her as if her thoughts and feelings mattered. Amanda felt like she had to diminish her dreams and that her self-worth was tied to the guy she was with. And a true friend wouldn't want their friend in that type of relationship.
West: "I think if we can get back to like our early days, those were really special-"
Andy: "Your early days...like 6 weeks ago?!"
Lindsay: "Your early days...like the HONEYMOON PHASE?!"
Perhaps this is why Amanda told West it wouldn't help if he chimed in more, 'cause he just keeps getting whacked left & right when he tries, 'cause he's never matured past the age of 16!!!
Lindsay & Mia are right about leaving with little to no clarity, and the reason for that is bc Andy Cohen basically let West & Amanda pussyfoot around & talk in circles on every question they were asked about the damn timeline. (Also, some of Mia's questions were better than the ones Andy was asking them.) Again, which is why it would do Bravo SO much good to rotate who hosts these reunions. It shouldn't be Andy every single damn time.
Ben, Jesse, Lindsay, etc. keep saying it, but what's so jarring about all of this is that 1) Amanda & West act like they don't care about how this affects the group, and 2) we're supposed to simply believe that now they realize the seriousness of what they've done, and now they need the time & space to think about the hurt they've caused & what this means for the cohesiveness of the friend group going forward
Andy should have delved more into the fact that when Kyle was reaching out to West as a close friend regarding his marriage issues, West was also hanging out with Amanda in an inappropriate way, without him knowing
Bailey was right about the tidbit Kyle revealed about the Super Bowl being incriminating. So many people were talking over one another during that segment, but I wish Andy had delved into it more.
Do I think the question about whether Amanda feels all of this was worth it is a catch-22 question, kind of, but Ion think that's the real reason Amanda didn't want to answer it lmao
Someone tweeted it, but this reunion very much goes to show that Amanda & West didn't expect the backlash against them and the support for Ciara to be this intense. I also think that plays into the real reason Amanda hasn't been watching the season back lol.
Bailey was right about West embarrassing Amanda, but she signed up for that atp, so I don't feel bad.
"And I do think at this point, people realize that friendships matter to me" - West, you haven't done anything to showcase that, so how exactly would they know it????
It actually explains a lot about why Jesse is so emotional when you have the context that one of his close friends started dating an ex of his a few months before all of this. Imagine having not one but two friend groups shattered because of a betrayal by someone you considered a friend.
I agree with Kyle that if their whole plan was to make sure their divorce was amicable so the rest of the house wouldn't have to choose sides, only for Amanda to do something that would result in the house being divided is diabolical. Talk about a slap to the face smh.
I hope Amanda noticed that, like Ciara, Kyle, & Lindsay said, nothing in West's behavior has shown that he even believes this relationship was worth risking everything for.
Meija should have been at the damn reunion. Lindsay, Kyle, & Ciara speaking on her behalf wasn't enough.
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I lowkey think it was important for Andy to ask Ciara whether she regrets being a shoulder to cry on regarding advocating for Amanda to leave her shitty marriage because it goes to show what type of character Ciara has. She easily could have said, "had I known that Amanda would do me like this, then no, I wouldn't have been such a good friend to her," & there would ppl who'd agree, but there would also be ppl who use it as another reason to vilify Ciara as they've already been doing.
One of the key issues in Amanda's marriage to Kyle was that he didn't treat her as if her thoughts and feelings mattered. Amanda felt like she had to diminish her dreams and that her self-worth was tied to the guy she was with. And a true friend wouldn't want their friend in that type of relationship.
West: "I think if we can get back to like our early days, those were really special-"
Andy: "Your early days...like 6 weeks ago?!"
Lindsay: "Your early days...like the HONEYMOON PHASE?!"
Perhaps this is why Amanda told West it wouldn't help if he chimed in more, 'cause he just keeps getting whacked left & right when he tries, 'cause he's never matured past the age of 16!!!
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I lowkey think it was important for Andy to ask Ciara whether she regrets being a shoulder to cry on regarding advocating for Amanda to leave her shitty marriage because it goes to show what type of character Ciara has. She easily could have said, "had I known that Amanda would do me like this, then no, I wouldn't have been such a good friend to her," & there would ppl who'd agree, but there would also be ppl who use it as another reason to vilify Ciara as they've already been doing.
One of the key issues in Amanda's marriage to Kyle was that he didn't treat her as if her thoughts and feelings mattered. Amanda felt like she had to diminish her dreams and that her self-worth was tied to the guy she was with. And a true friend wouldn't want their friend in that type of relationship.
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I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I lowkey think it was important for Andy to ask Ciara whether she regrets being a shoulder to cry on regarding advocating for Amanda to leave her shitty marriage because it goes to show what type of character Ciara has. She easily could have said, "had I known that Amanda would do me like this, then no, I wouldn't have been such a good friend to her," & there would ppl who'd agree, but there would also be ppl who use it as another reason to vilify Ciara as they've already been doing.
One of the key issues in Amanda's marriage to Kyle was that he didn't treat her as if her thoughts and feelings mattered. Amanda felt like she had to diminish her dreams and that her self-worth was tied to the guy she was with. And a true friend wouldn't want their friend in that type of relationship.
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I lowkey think it was important for Andy to ask Ciara whether she regrets being a shoulder to cry on regarding advocating for Amanda to leave her shitty marriage because it goes to show what type of character Ciara has. She easily could have said, "had I known that Amanda would do me like this, then no, I wouldn't have been such a good friend to her," & there would ppl who'd agree, but there would also be ppl who use it as another reason to vilify Ciara as they've already been doing.
One of the key issues in Amanda's marriage to Kyle was that he didn't treat her as if her thoughts and feelings mattered. Amanda felt like she had to diminish her dreams and that her self-worth was tied to the guy she was with. And a true friend wouldn't want their friend in that type of relationship.
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
Also, shout-out to Ciara for pointing out that, given how consciously women post, no one believes that Amanda wasn't putting any thought into those Instagram posts. Like girl, stop lying!!
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
Can we take a moment to talk about Andy's facial expressions as West just keeps putting his foot in his mouth? Like, even he wants West to at least try to get his words together.
coming back to this bc
"I mean, it was in your control the whole time." Andy basically said, yet again, you're not making any damn sense!
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I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
So, not to discredit Kyle's feelings, because I think there's a lot of truth in what he said, especially regarding caring for Amanda's wellbeing, etc. But what I don't like is making it seem like Amanda didn't play an active role in being alone on this island. She's been friends with Ciara for six years. She had a front-row seat to all the issues Ciara had with West. Amanda knew all that history & still made a conscious decision to be with West. I don't believe she was unaware that she would lose friends in the end. I don't think she's that naive, and I don't think it's fair to keep handling her with kid gloves.
And let's be clear, if the roles were reversed and Ciara hooked up with Kyle and/or was in a relationship with Kyle, no one would be handling Ciara with kid gloves at all. The vitriol, especially racist vitriol, would be 10x worse, and we all know it!!
I actually do like Bailey, and if she wants to be a friend for Amanda, well, like Taylor Swift said, it's nice to have a friend. That's as nice as I can put it lmao
I have so many thoughts about the Carl & Lindsay of it all, but they're too tangled at the moment for me to make sense of them. What I can say is that I'm happy they're in a good place, and I think they're both easy to enjoy on this show when they are.
Mia is such a mood bc when Kyle & Carl were fighting, and Kyle was like "you 6'5 motherfvcker," I remember being like, when you're a Stallion like me, a man that's 6'5 is not an insult. I need a tall man that I can climb like a tree, I'm just saying.
West: "She thought we were in an exclusive relationship."
Carl: "That's a girlfriend."
Bailey: "That's what a girlfriend is."
And ladies and gents, we once again have West getting caught up in his lies & not making any damn sense with what he's saying. It is so clear that he didn't even try to practice his answers prior to the reunion.
Mind you, Jesse also chimed in that not only did he & Amanda lie about their relationship, but they also gaslighted their friends who weren't fvckin blind and reasonably suspicious.
Amanda is finding out new information about her man at the reunion. Just embarrassing all around. But this is who she risked it all for, so let her sit in her stupidity.
Also, Kyle can take them at their word that they didn't hook up in 2025, but no one else is.
Haven't been monogamous since expressing feelings, but we're supposed to believe that you have been monogamous since the statement was released. You just have to laugh at how dumb they think everyone is.
"It seems dangerous to me, for someone with very clear commitment issues."
And he most likely will fail. He's not even acting like someone who is committed to not making a mess of the relationship he's in. He doesn't seem sorry for the hurt he's caused either, but I've been saying that.
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