thinking about wind waker again. why did the three goddesses do all that shit
LOZ lorehead here! the answer is actually quite interesting, if you'll spare me a bit of time:
it was preddy funy
don't care I love ww so much
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thinking about wind waker again. why did the three goddesses do all that shit
LOZ lorehead here! the answer is actually quite interesting, if you'll spare me a bit of time:
it was preddy funy
don't care I love ww so much

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first I thought of Kazula, but then maybe it would work better on zukka
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Unfortunately Azula was too heavy and Katara has died. As you can see, Azula is very torn up about this.
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like when you actually start to think about atla critically, you realize the answer to ALL of the disc horse for this entire fandom is literally just "because the show wanted to glaze Zuko :)"
Why is Azula demonized? Why is Ozai so 1 dimensional? Why is Iroh not examined critically? Why is Aang's growth so neglected? Why is Kataang put to the side? Why didn't we hear about Katara returning to rebuild her tribe? Why so many unresolved or contrived plotpoints? etc etc etc
All of this is because all they really cared about was they wanted to put Zuko front and center, to celebrate and glorify every little step the dude took towards self-improvement, make it look Oh so Good and Totally Welcomed, lmao.
Zuko is the actual worst example in this story of the "male gaze" and actually also of something akin to the white gaze. This isn't about individual lines or scenes coming off wrong, it's literally THE NARRATIVE that's the problem. Everything is made secondary and accessory to his story.
to celebrate and glorify every little step the dude took towards self-improvement
I think this is the reason why I feel his redemption arc is a bit forced. I'm sorry, but being more honorable than most in the Fire Nation isn't exactly hard to do. It feels like he just has to put the barest minimum effort into actual self-improvement, yet somehow it's treated as the most extraordinary thing imaginable. Even when he turns around and keeps doing awful stuff. It's like, yeah it's great that he's more compassionate towards his crewmembers and all. Doesn't stop the fact that he's still participating in an imperialistic, genocidal war on the side of the genociders.
Look, I get that it's inherently hard to write a character such as this. This is part of the reason why I think characters like Azula or Aang get screwed over just to make Zuko look better. By downplaying what the Fire Nation actually does or trying to try and divorce the bad eggs from the Fire Nation, it makes Zuko, who's supposed to represent the honorable, good parts of the Fire Nation, look better by comparison. It's the "easy" way of doing things. Unfortunately, all it does is sanctify Zuko at the expense of everyone else.
You want to know how to actually make Zuko's admirable traits work instead of downplaying everyone else? Use them against him. Like, here's an idea: right after Iroh praises Zuko as being more honorable than most in the Fire Nation, Zuko overhears some asshole soldier saying that one good thing, such as sparing Zhao isn't honorable. It's the appearance of honor. This causes Zuko to scowl and go back to his Avatar hunting phase. Or if he's written to gradually be more compassionate, that just drives him to become even more desperate to find the Avatar since now it's not just his own honor he's after. Or have him double down on his imperialistic upbringing in the Earth Kingdom. Like have him try to divorce the evils the Fire Nation did from the Fire Nation, or have him be disgusted with the Earth Kingdom because of the actions of those in "Zuko Alone". In essence, good, honorable traits become twisted. Only have those traits stand out once he actually tries to rebel against the Fire Nation. Not when he's in service of them. It's practically how every Greek tragedy works (and I am reading Aristotle, so I know what I'm talking about [kind of]). Good character has flaws that bring ruin.
The problem with ATLA is that they try to portray those good traits as the reason why Zuko is "better" than the rest of the other Fire Nation characters. They're not there as a way to explain how good becomes bad, the nature of evil, or even just as a springboard for actual redemption. Just that he's already halfway there for doing the bare minimum. Which kind of becomes ironic since Katara and Sokka bring "the bare minimum" up when Toph tries arguing for Zuko to join the Gaang. Or, hell, if we're going to extend that logic, I guess freakin' Ozai should be considered more redeemable. What? They brought up his baby pictures, and Aang says he can't believe Ozai was born evil as evidence. Except it doesn't because the narrative still correctly portrays him as a genocidal, abusive monster.
Yes, Zuko never got to that level. But considering that characters such as Azula get the "bad backstory doesn't excuse actions" schtick while he kept getting a free pass, that makes his treatment a bit unique. I honestly think that while this problem was always there, it was at least mitigated in Books One and Two where he was still a bad guy and his redemption was a long way off. It wasn't until Book Three that it started to become a serious problem. And arguably in NATLA since they started to take more than a few cues from Book Three by pushing Zuko as being the savior of the Fire Nation even harder in the original.
I'll end this essay with a quote from Doctor Who that basically sums this whole thing up:
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new. Every now and then, a little victim's spared... because she smiled, cos he's got freckles, cos they begged. And that's how you live with yourself, that's how you slaughter millions, because once in a while, on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction, you happen to be kind."

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why is the ATLA live action a real life zutara fanfic. they put Katara with the wrong fire sibling anyway
coming back from death again just to keep pushing my maizula agenda
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idk guys sometimes you just have to accept a ship dynamic is unhealthy, insane, and sometimes abusive. and its not real people so those factors just make it interesting
please stop unfolding the origami crane and smoothing it out bc you got worried the paper was hurting from the bends
people sleep so hard on toxic yuri azutara. like cmon now.
despite katara hating zuko for betraying her in the catacombs, who actually delivered the killing blow to aang? azula. there's no way katara doesn't hate azula viciously for that
parallels of prodigy little sibling but one was encouraged to become worse while one had total control over her choices at a far too young age
the final agni kai ended with katara just knocking azula to her knees, literally. it must've been horrifying for azula since why would the to be firelord have anyone to fear?
(ignoring the comics) if azula has a redemption arc, i think it should also end with katara forgiving her last. and the event that makes katara forgive her needs to be homoerotic.
I love the idea of both of them being heavy codependent with each other. Even if they hate each other they can't leave, specially Azula, she would be such a breadcrumber for Katara's attention. Of course it would take a long path if it's a part of the canon.
They could even go for "I can fix her", "I can make her worse".
dude you get it!!!!! azula is definitely wary by katara to some degree which makes her want to one-up katara
idk if i want katara to be ragebaited by her or have her take a page from aang's book and be nonchalant
them hanging around each other after azula is mentally stable enough to socialize with other people would be so fun
Azula would definitely take the nonchalant off Katara by raigebaiting her so bad. If Azula is good at something is to make people frustrated hahah. It would take Katara lots of self control to not react over Azula. And when Azula notices that she would try harder, or do other things.

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people sleep so hard on toxic yuri azutara. like cmon now.
despite katara hating zuko for betraying her in the catacombs, who actually delivered the killing blow to aang? azula. there's no way katara doesn't hate azula viciously for that
parallels of prodigy little sibling but one was encouraged to become worse while one had total control over her choices at a far too young age
the final agni kai ended with katara just knocking azula to her knees, literally. it must've been horrifying for azula since why would the to be firelord have anyone to fear?
(ignoring the comics) if azula has a redemption arc, i think it should also end with katara forgiving her last. and the event that makes katara forgive her needs to be homoerotic.
I love the idea of both of them being heavy codependent with each other. Even if they hate each other they can't leave, specially Azula, she would be such a breadcrumber for Katara's attention. Of course it would take a long path if it's a part of the canon.
They could even go for "I can fix her", "I can make her worse".
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the crucial fact of zuko and azula's relationship that makes it so insanely compelling is not the tried and true facets of siblings on opposite sides of a war, sibling rivalry turned murderous, or siblings who are divided by their parents' favoritism; it's the fact that despite being the older sibling, zuko is the one who doesn't care about azula while azula cares about him even when it goes against her best interest to do so. i think this makes a lot of people who want to see zuko through the fanon lens of this awkward turtle duck who's just doing his best and isn't super angry and volatile deeply uncomfortable because it so directly contradicts that reading of him unless they completely strip azula of her sympathetic and human traits. but that reading is not only unsupported by canon, it's boring.
the truth is that azula cares about zuko (in a very distorted way given how her upbringing and trauma restrict her ability to express it in a way anywhere in the area code of healthy) to the extent that because she chooses him over herself in bringing him home (because it is an insane retcon that implies she is near omnipotent to say she knew for certain the avatar was not really dead and was just going to scapegoat zuko, not to mention it makes very little sense and is, again, boring), she loses everything. and zuko cares so little for azula that he only feels anything remotely close to grief about it all when he sees just how badly she's hurting.
as much as i think his redemption arc leaves to be desired in terms of the political implications of it, zuko does have a good heart. he does want to do the right thing. it's just that azula has always been his blind spot, and that makes their relationship so much more interesting.
As someone who loves both Zuko and Azula, this thesis is completely valid. And itâs also valid for Azula to behave this way as much as it is for Zuko.
Azula loves Zuko, she cares about him, like OP said. The thing is, she grew up in a toxic, unhealthy environment all her life, and contrary to Zuko, who had first his mother and then Iroh, she has no support aside for the man who praises her every move, her father. And so her rude, cruel, âevilâ and malicious ways to play with her brother donât look like that in her eyes. They seem simple playing with Zuko. Even taunting him for what Azulon said, she did it to kind of warn him, I guess? Because I donât think she thought it could actually happen, and yet it was true.
Azula is a child whose fatherâs enablement made her blind to the pain she caused, to the point where she couldnât even see that her way of playing with her brother and friends was wrong, or cruel. And when her mother did not enable her behavior, or justify her way of playing, she considered her the enemy, someone who preferred Zuko over her. Which pushed her towards Ozai even further.
Meanwhile, Zuko is older, he knows his mother and uncleâs compassion. He knows that the way Azula plays with people and with him is wrong. He doesnât like it. And in his child mind, the basic sibling rivalry is much more than that. He has to prove himself to best his sister and win his fatherâs love for once. But he fails, Azula taunts him in her way to be a sister, and he grows to hate her. So of course, Zuko grows up resenting his sister, without seeing the good in her. Just what Ozai wants. Not what Ozai made her.
And by Zukoâs pov, Azula is simply the prodigy who follows him and taunts him and takes things away from him, and when she does do things for him, heâs too paranoid to see the good and automatically thinks she is out to get him. He doesnât realize that the betrayal on the day of the black sun deeply scarred her. He doesnât realize his leaving once again is just another step towards insanity. And when she fully goes mad, he doesnât see a sister. Just an enemy. Because at that point he made peace with the fact that she doesnât care for him and never did, which is a lie.
I think this view and point of view of Zuko was also shared by Iroh, because he too isnât capable to see the good in her, as he usually does. And given that he wasnât always present during Zuko and Azulaâs childhood, he only sees the grown up version of Azula in which the enablement has cemented.
So in the end, it is all about the characterâs perspective. Azula cared for her brother but never showed it in a traditional way, as Zuko wanted, because of Ozaiâs influence in her life. And Zuko cares for his sister, loves her even, but has lost all faith in her because he doesnât align with her way of playing/joking/reacting, and thinks of it as hatred and hostility towards him. As a result he doesnât see her as someone he loves anymore, but as an enemy.
Their relationship is very complicated, which makes it a good piece of media. I think it can be salvaged, especially after Azulaâs comic set in the spirit temple where she made piece with her desire for love and, at little steps, for the realization that her father was not the man she thought he was. But to be done well, Zuko needs to move from his âshe is evilâ one dimentional stance and see Azula in a deeper way (in the search there were some instances where this already happened, I think), and Azula needs to fully acknowledge that her behavior influenced by Ozai was bad for both of them. They both need to detoxify from all those years of abuse and unhealthy environment, and then try to have a relationship with each other.
#I never could explain how I saw their relationship#Because it's just so complex and messed up on so many levels#But this person really put it into words#I 100% agree with them#And maybe it's my personal bias coming into play but I don't think so#I know Zuko's and Azula's relationship is a hot (haha) topic in this fandom but I always believed it was somewhere in the middle#I think people tend to see things too one sided#Like they either blame Zuko or Azula instead of seeing the deeply complicated and messed up thing that is the royal family#People act like Zuko is a horrible brother for not trusting her but he's also an abused kid who has reasons for being cautious around her#But some also act like Azula is just a monster who doesn't care about anyone when that just isn't true#I think it needs to be understood that emotions are a fucking messy thing especially when you're in an abusive household#It just feels like people are too harsh on them#I don't want to excuse their actions because holy fuck they were messed up but they can be explained#And I personally don't really see the comics or even tlok as really canon because things just seem really off there to me#And again maybe it's my bias because I want them to heal and repair their relationship but I do think that deep down they do/ did care
i'm genuinely asking you to tell me when zuko ever does or says anything to imply he cares about azula in the show. not your personal beliefs about his secret thoughts that we never see proof of but legitimate proof within canon that he cares about azula at all because i cannot think of a single moment that supports this idea.
and once more i will clarify: i am not morally indicting this fictional character for not caring about his sister. he's not real. him being a bad brother doesn't do any real world harm. it just makes his dynamic with his sister more compelling because it's interesting and subversive to what we usually see portrayed in fractured sibling relationships in fiction. if your response to "zuko is flawed and doesn't care about his sister" is to provide a moral defense for that lack of care instead of to provide evidence in canon that he does care, you have misunderstood what i said.
you've cherry picked this reblog of my post which is your prerogative, but it is interesting to note that when i replied to this reblog asking the op both why they pretend to agree with what i said while completely undermining my point with this desire to clear zuko's good name from bad brother accusations and to show me a single moment wherein zuko actually demonstrated any kind of care for azula, they didn't even try.
i'm not interested in if zuko is morally good. i'm not saying that him being a bad brother doesn't make sense. i'm not even saying that i wouldn't find it interesting to see azula and zuko mend fences one day. but i am saying that he is a bad brother in that he fundamentally doesn't care about azula as his sister and expresses zero desire to be her brother and i have yet to see a single person offer proof that says otherwise.
that is the point of my post, and i find it strange how much some people want to read against that while still reblogging it and putting their misplaced takes in my notes.

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Itwould be so funny if they both got bullied, not that any of them would allow that, but it still would be so funny
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