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also while yes vaelus did say once pushed to that she was looking to bring back sylandri, so that's not something we can completely disregard when it comes to her goals, the more we see her character and her relationships with thaisha and hannan develop, the more i believe that her wanting resurrection to exist does not center around sylandri at all
"it's easier when you have a whole thing" says this kid you just met who defied all laws of reality as you know them and breathed not just life but personality back into a fox he made from scraps of various foxes
"could you do it with a whole body?" you ask in return. if it's easier to perform miracles when your subject isn't in pieces, then maybe all you have to do is get him the bodies
and we still don't know what happened to the bodies of the gods in this world, if they even left any at all
but there's probably a lot of dead elves whose bodies you know exactly where to find
@trailertrashgrog oh that's an interesting thought!
and would make a lot of sense honestly, given how much we've seen sylandri cultivate that kind of learned helplessness - she doesn't want you all to have independence outside of her so she's going to engineer your life such that everything has to rely on her, and then you forget that it's even possible to do things without her help (which is exactly what hannan was fighting against)
and therefore it's ingrained in vaelus that if she's going to bring back the elves she lost she also has to bring back sylandri, because they literally can't live without her
(and man that fits so well into being parallel theming with thaisha, like. the shapers did not make this world, there were people on it before they got here. and just like the old path is trying to rediscover the old pre-shapers ways to keep surviving, with thaisha acknowledging history is important but also breaking away somewhat because she knows they need new solutions for a new world, not just old ones, there might be a similar debate at some point about how did we live before sylandri, and how might we live in the future)
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this got soooo long. [The Aristocrats joke voice] The Magicians!
Julia exists in a beautiful liminal space between being a hyperfunctional normie and totally nuts (many such cases?) and I think that was reflected by her being a joiner and a Gifted Kid. I think she had a lot of friends whom she felt passionately about but maybe spread herself a little thin because for Julia being someone's friend is a very active pursuit, but she was never as close with anyone as she was with Quentin, obvs, and she was aware of other people being intimidated by her intelligence, something I think would bring her level to understanding Alice in other circumstances(/timelines, probably this happened). Went through a "not like the other girls" phase essentially canonically confirmed. played softball, volleyball or soccer. I think she and Quentin are both products of 90s/2000s upper middle class to very wealthy libbed out homes where they would have gone through mostly public school. Also her dad having died in some kind of institutionalized hospitalization situation and her being forever day one besties with Quentin Coldwater, Mentally Ill, and THEN she also constructs a Normal Again hospitalization scenario spell for him when they have a falling out…this is hauntingggggg
Quentin I think had a lot of formative experiences with feeling on the outs from a certain type of masculinity (talked a lot about this in Vampire Quentin au for some reason). I think this really hurt him but at the same time he kind of legitimately didn't really care; love him. Jason Ralph is extremely handsome but plays Quentin with enough convincing offputting-ness (#offputting representation) that I think he probably had some or many "hey my friend likes you :)" "pranks" played on him. as an adult at the point of entry in the show I think you need to hit him with a mallet that says "I am attracted to you" for him to understand that and he still might think you're joking. he developed complicated internal rubrics for who is his "friend" and who likes him, I think, and only ever consistently felt that way his head about Julia once they met. Also a Gifted Kid but hit the internet participant-typical burnout phase of that Kwick
I feel like Margo had a surface-level popularity from being headstrong and hot that did not prevent her from feeling lonely in her childhood/high school. Based on how she reacted to Welters I feel like she must have been on a team sport in high school but in a kind of straight girl way even though she is not straight (also many such cases?). I think you can extrapolate from her dad's apparent enforcement of #gender that she had a weird step-mom or step-moms plural, I also think there was maybe some raised-by-nannies business involved. The show did not particularly want to engage with her as a racialized character, but I think being a Wealthy Hot Girl in California while not being white could have contributed a lot to her armoring herself in the exact way she does, but also she's just really idiosyncratically herself. HUGE, ENORMOUS only child energy.
Eliot is a character whose childhood we know both a lot and very little about, like whether or not he had siblings (I mostly skew no?), how his mom felt about him being gay, etc. I read his dad's rejection of him as not really based in commitment to surely ambient Christianity/evangelical stuff but supported by it but this might be projection from my own childhood #myownchildhood. I think he isn't a great student and didn't ever get one of those mentor teachers or other safe adults who was endeared by his personality that can be distributed to weird gay kids by the universe, hence why he's still acting like a strange high school brown-noser in magic grad school. obviously he was physically bullied and engaged in coerced physical bullying in kind. had an unwitting/kind of witting beard gf in high school who still thinks of him fondly. <3
Alice was why I wrote this post bc I rapidly developed a headcanon that she was partially homeschooled/#unschooled because her parents don't participate in regular society and are freak magicians in replies to Isabel on my last post BUT I googled and apparently she mentions not fitting in at school BUT maybe this happened for part of her high school, idk it is very easy for me to imagine that she had to keep track of school enrollment for herself and when something fell thru her mom was like "lol well who cares about homogenous non-magic institutions anyway eyeroll emoji" and Alice experienced rage that she never really recovered from. This is also extremely particular to #myownchildhood but we are having fun. Alice basically says a few different times that she never felt like she fit anywhere and that everyone was always intimidated by her intelligence (and frankly power) which is why Charlie's death was especially crushing to her. We don't like to think about how she lost her virginity with all of her clothes on + her parent's sex parties but we must. She might have had the worst time of it of all characters EXCEPT.....
Penny, foster kid from Florida! I know there's stuff about his childhood in s5 but I didn't watch s5 also it was technically somewhat about alternate Penny (I hate SyFy's The Magicians), so. Not to reference Harry Potter as a non-fascist-transphobe adult in 2026 but a telepathy version of Tom Riddle's diary essentially happened to him for his whole childhood and it's never mentioned again? ?????? I also think he was often put in awful positions to protect or defend foster siblings or other kids in the system; him swooping in and constantly saving Quentin while being very bitter about it and projecting the idea that he's an uncaring jackass doesn't come from nowhere (if u actually care about him and his subjectivity as a character). The show likes to pontificate on him being an uncaring jackass also but in terms of actual actions he shows again and again that he instinctively defends people who need defending and often lets his better angels win out after grumbling about it and I think this and his baggage around it could have a heavy basis in his experiences as a kid.
Now Kady I think had an experience that would align her more with Alice than any other characters in the show because her mom was constantly chasing magic for however long she was doing that but their childhoods must have materially been extremely different at the same time. It's unclear to me where a dad did or did not fit into that, I think you could make the case for it having happened a lot of different ways (really the case for any Magicians character), but it's very sad to me that she creates a story of a dad who is a sweet stoner who she doesn't mind spending time with. She has to be an only child bc she's shouldering her mom's burdens alone. Her childhood must have had Magic Metaphor versions of a parent who's an addict, maybe even kind of similar to a parent with a gambling addiction with her mom having "debts". and of course not a lot of consistency, moved a lot, learned battle magic distressingly young.
these are all the characters I felt like talking about...Lmk your thoughts........
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like Murray couldn't have been more clear in her talk with Azune after the sewer fight that her protectiveness over Demodus has everything to do with that Demodus took a job through the school and ended up almost dying because of it. she wants the Penteveral to be a safe place for young arcanists like Demodus to learn magic, and within a day of the Sundered Houses' power grab, they exploited a financial aid student and framed him for theft, which directly led to him almost bleeding out in the sewers. making sure things like that don't happen is something Murray considers directly under her responsibility. this lines up with the fact that while she's less fond of him for being a rich boy, Murray also sprang into action to find Occtis when it became clear he was in danger from his father and literally performed a miracle to resurrect him. may I remind y'all, while it wasn't as explicitly about that, she also immediately stepped in when Azune suggested Occtis go in Demodus' place.
you can boohoo as much as you want about Azune but he's a grown ass man who isn't one of her active students. she's still pretty sympathetic to him, but he's a peer in her eyes because it's a whole ass different situation.
Was thinking about Sylandri's sterilizing of the elves so that they have to get her consent to have a baby, and do you know what else that means?
Aramán is a world without half-elves.
Well, at least since the last 4,000 years or so.
Because the thing is, I don't think Aramán had mixed ancestry kids, at least in the open, during the Shapers' reign. It would have been a conflict of interest between the Shapers, trying to decide who gets to claim the kid who's half of one's people and half of another's people.
But with groups like the druids who were already in hiding, you get the potential for mixing out of the Shapers' sight. And/or a place to send mixed kids that happen otherwise if you can spirit them away in time.
However, neutered as they were, the elves could not participate in secret mixed children simply because they couldn't beget kids without Sylandri's blessing.
Which, this also makes Hero an interesting case in that she's probably the first mixed ancestry in her bloodlines in a long while. Half-orcs and the like are probably only just starting to happen in bigger numbers now that there's been some generations of mixed cohabitation since the Shapers' fall.
I dunno. It's just any interesting demographics thing probably going on in Aramán.
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when you download a pdf and it's called like 1328723486basdf12.pdf but then you gently rename it to what it's supposed to be. that's forming a bond with a hurt and wild mythological creature and reminding it who it is.
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“Essek wouldn’t tell Trent all that” Essek would absolutely tell Trent all that. Essek agreed to teach an empire mage dunamacy because he made a cat paw and needed to keep an eye on him, and started hurling blasphemy around at dinner with people he barely knew because they were nice to him. And Trent is a notorious manipulative son-of-a-bitch, good at convincing people he’s trust worthy and correct even though he’s clearly a piece of slime given human form. Essek is the loneliest bitch living in the wastes of the god war, it is not nearly as difficult as it should be given his position to get him to show his hand because he’s so alone that he’s absolutely chomping at the bit to be able to talk about it with someone. And offering shit like this is how Trent gets people under his fuckass wings. So, unfortunately, regrettably, Essek “Lord Lord from Around” Theylss would tell Trent all that.