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I keep seeing the notion of heathen hearth cult eg Iâve read comments of heathens saying they âskipped hearth cult yesterday because they were tiredâ or âIâll join you later once Iâve done hearthcult.â
But whenever Iâve looked any deeper it seems the notion of hearth as a religious focus is more related to Greek/Roman pagan traditions.
Iâm not disparaging the practice, but it doesnât seem very historically accurate.
Whatâre your thoughts on this?
Thereâs a higher-than-normal risk of me talking out my ass about something Iâm uninformed about here, because I honestly donât really pay much attention to the online heathen spaces where this sort of stuff proliferates. But yeah, we have very little evidence for how at-home worship was done among Norse people. Not no evidence, but I donât see a lot of influence from VĂślsa Þåttr and St. Birgittaâs missionary work in Sweden on modern heathen hearth cult stuff.
I donât think thereâs actually anything wrong with hearth cult existing, it makes sense to me given that we are all so atomized even when we donât have a pandemic going on but the idea that itâs âthe most important, foundational practice in Heathenryâ (from the Longship website) comes from absolutely nowhere and itâs a serious problem that the same sector of internet heathenry that pushes it is constantly vying for their articulation of heathenry as the objective, universalist one is a serious problem. Theyâve managed to both insist on our fundamental, irresolvable isolation from each other and still dictate what weâre allowed to do.
Recently Iâve been recommending this book a lot, and Iâm going to do it again... An Arena for Higher Powers by Olle Sundqvist makes it incredibly clear that at least in the times and places where we can compare and contrast saga descriptions with archaeological evidence, we canât isolate private worship from social connections, positions, obligations. Admittedly, itâs exactly what we would expect to have better evidence for public (and legally important) forms of worship and celebration. But the idea that individual approaches to religious practice were fundamental rather than being in flux and reciprocal co-determination with collective approaches, or that either of these werenât, in turn, in reciprocal co-determination with the changing social, political, and material circumstances of the Migration Age, the Viking Age, the settlement of Iceland, the formation of kingdoms, etc, etc, etc.......... is a bad idea.
Itâs telling that on the Longship site they start the page on hearth cult by universalizing Durkheim as if we have learned nothing in the last hundred years, yet there is not one single reference to any pre-modern text. Abstract theoretical models are more real to these people than reality is. On their reading list they also donât list any primary sources until the end of their suggested self-education, I guess weâre not prepared to listen to the stories our ancestors told until weâve properly internalized early-to-mid-20th century analytics.
I have concerns that I think most people will find alarmist or overblown about Neoplatonist entryism into heathenry. I encourage heathens to read up on Neoplatonism (a lot of my own knowledge of the subject comes from these podcasts: https://historyofphilosophy.net/ and https://shwep.net/) because itâs an interesting subject for study anyway, to better understand the various lineages of Western thought generally, and so that you can recognize it when it enters heathen discourse. And if someone finds it more fulfilling than heathen reconstructionism then, cool, thatâs great. But letâs please be honest about it, and Iâm personally not interested in participating.
I've dealt with this sort of thing when it comes to the "no blood, no blĂłt" idea that is popular among the same seemingly Reddit-based Heathen (specifically not ĂsatrĂşar because "ĂsatrĂş isn't real Heathenry") crowd. It's not even the notion that blood sacrifices were commonplace in Old Norse religious practices; in an agricultural society where livestock is massively important to most members there's a good reason for that, but rather the assertion that the terms "blóð" (blood) and "blĂłt" are linguistically linked in that "blĂłt" is rooted in "blóð".
Rather than actually do serious reading on their respective etymologies to see if that is true (it's not), they'd rather share an article by some dude who quotes some sagas, which ironically suggest a variety of blĂłt offerings, in an attempt to make the case for blood being an essential part of it. Etymological dictionaries, Old Icelandic dictionaries containing terms for animal and non-animal blĂłt sacrifices; all apparently worthless against the group-think ideology of it.
Perhaps the funniest thing about it all is that "blood" and "bless" actually are etymologically related, "bless" basically coming from a term meaning "to sanctify with blood", but that relationship gets almost no attention in comparison.
Sometimes I'm glad that Heathenry is such a demographically small religion, or group thereof, because it really puts into perspective how unimportant these people's assumed "authority" is on a larger scale and gives me a chuckle.
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There was a butterfly in the window. I was going to photograph it, but then I went âoooh, pretty flowersâ and now here we are.
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one of my favorite lotr facts is that gondorians speak sindarin as a first language and yet when faramir was talking to frodo and sam about cirith ungol he was like âwe donât know whatâs in there.â like faramir. cirith ungol is sindarin for âpass of the spider.â do the math
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Donât forget that Frodo also speaks Sindarin, which makes this even worse.
Faramir: Hey, donât go up the Spider Stairs.
Frodo: Why? Whatâs up the Spider Stairs?
Faramir: We donât know, Frodo. We just donât know.
to be fair, youâd assume the name means âthereâs a lot of spiders here,â not, âthere is one spider the size of a draft horse here.â so you go up expecting to have to shoo a lot of skeeter eaters out of your tent, and instead you have to figure out how to rope and shoe godzillarantula.
HmmmâŚ
They do live in a world where godzillarantulas feature prominently in mythology and history (Ungoliant plunged the world into darkness, scared the crap out of Sauronâs old boss, etc) and existed within the last century in Mirkwood. Assuming they ever talk to anyone whoâs been to Mirkwood. They⌠probably know they were giant spiders in Mirkwood pretty recently? Itâs hard to figure out how much anyone in Middle-earth has been talking to anyone else when we didnât actually see it.
On the other hand â what if itâs the giant evil spidersâ prominence in history/mythology thatâs causing trouble? What if lots of evil/nasty things/places get called âspiderâ just to indicate how nasty and evil they are, rather than any association with literal spiders, and itâs just⌠overloaded? Maybe the bad part of town in Minas Tirith is the Spider District. Maybe every tavern trying to be edgy calls itself the Spiderweb.
Actually spider/Ungoliant references could be really appealing to Gondorians trying to be edgy. Theyâre dark and evil! Plunged the world into darkness! But they ARENâT involved in the war theyâre actually fighting, they arenât directly associated with Sauron at all, so getting too interested in them would be creepy without being potentially treasonous. Because no oneâs ACTUALLY going to worship those dangerous but not epic spiders up in Mirkwood, and no oneâs heard anything from any proper spawn of Ungoliant in ages and ages.
In fact, spider/Ungoliant references might be appealing to ORCS trying to express that something is nasty and creepy! Nobody likes Ungoliant.
Maybe Faramirâs been to fourteen different Spider Caves across Ithilien, and half of them he didnât even see regular spiders in, theyâre just dark and damp and may have had orcs at some point, or something, and at some point in history someone got spooked. So you know, itâs POSSIBLE Spider Pass has something to do with spiders? But really it just means people donât like it.
(The problem with this theory is we never actually SAW anyone overusing spider references. But itâs plausible they would!)
âThe average spider on Middle Earth is the size of a dinner plateâ is a statistical error. The average spider on Middle Earth is smaller than a coin. Cirith Ungol (lit: Spiders Gorge), which contains a spider larger than a horse, is an outlier adn should not have been counted.
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