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This fan fiction author thinking that Elizabeth & Darcy's relationship with Wickham will ruin their marriage eventually really irks me because I LOVE the imperfect ending to Pride & Prejudice. In fact, if Wickham was somehow killed off, it would diminish the sacrifice that Darcy made to save Lydia.
Darcy went to find Lydia knowing he wanted to marry Elizabeth and that she was warming up to him. He accepted Lydia and Wickham marrying knowing that his greatest enemy would become his brother-in-law, and probably suspecting that Wickham would spend the rest of his life trying to leech off of his family (Darcy did try to get Lydia away first, but had to settle for marriage). Darcy knew all of this, he did it anyway. Just paying off Wickham as someone who is filthy rich or even killing Wickham would not have the same impact. Darcy accepted a permanent rock in his shoe to be with Elizabeth, and certainly a more possibly harmful one than say, the annoyance of the Bennets being vulgar.
So many romantic stories lack real consequences. Someone gives up their inheritance for love only for it to be restored. Someone is injured for love but recovers to full health without any lingering disability. I like that Darcy accepts a lasting and real consequence to be with Elizabeth. It feels more meaningful and more true to real life.
Time-Traveling Future Darcy to Meryton Assembly Darcy: You're going to marry Elizabeth Bennet btw.
Assembly Darcy: What! No! Her family is so humiliating and she's not even that pretty! (1 hour later) Tell me more? So that I can be extra disgusted, of course.
vs ...
Future Darcy to Meryton Assembly Darcy: You're going to be brother-in-law to Wickham one day. And not through Georgiana. You're going to marry the sister of his wife. On purpose.
Looking at the forearms of a handsome guy you're used to only seeing in period pieces where he is covered neck to wrist ... starting to understand how Victorian era men felt at the sight of an ankle
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Watching Heated Rivalry with Ilya's super good accent and then turning on Star Trek TOS and encountering Chekov is truly like being slapped in the face with a wet fish. Sometimes two great tastes don't taste great together
I know they had to add at least one original song to Wicked For Good for awards purposes. I like No Place Like Home – Cynthia sings it beautifully (of course!) and the lyrics sure are poignant in today's USA.
I think many agree that The Girl in the Bubble is the weaker song, wastes time to make an extremely obvious point heavy-handedly, and halts the movie's action in an awkward way.
So let me propose an alternative second song: a Nessarose and Fiyero song that comes earlier in the movie.
This would be of those songs where the singers are in totally separate locations, not interacting, but expressing similar emotions (a bit like "One Day More" except with only 2 singers). What similiarities?
Both of them are feeling trapped by their circumstances, even though they're nominally in positions of power.
Both wanting a love interest they can't have.
Both outwardly supporting a fascist government even though they don't like it (Nessa so she doesn't get demonized like her sister; Fiyero so he can find Elphaba).
Both longing to see Elphaba!
I think it would be an interesting compare/contrast exercise because within these similarities, there are obvious differences: Boq is right there and not that into Nessa whereas Elphaba is missing; Nessa is going along with the Wizard's prejudiced laws for self-protective reasons whereas Fiyero is doing it to save Elphaba.
Please understand I'm not suggesting that Nessa would simply be "the bad guy" in this song wheras Fiyero would be "good." In a movie where the entire point is "What does 'wicked' really mean and who gets portrayed as wicked?" it would be interesting to see the nuances in their situations and thought processes and why they end up making the decisions they make. (I honestly think the musical's way of addressing the wicked/good theme by having people simply say the word "good" in innumerable different contexts is heavy-handed and not that effective. Some more subtle thematic work would be welcome.) And this would also give these characters some much-needed screen time.
I'm no lyricist but I think this proposed song would discuss the idea of "What I can do." What can Nessa/Fiyero do and what can't they do, given their positions of power? Because how we define "what we can do," especially under a fascist government, is hard to pin down. Sometimes what we mean is, "I'm literally able to do it but the core of my personality/morals means I never would." I mean we get Glinda saying "Who could resist?" She is literally able to refuse being a figurehead for a fascist government; but she won't because of her personality (until heartbreak changes her at her core).
So what can Nessa and Fiyero do and what can't they do? Nessa can reject the Wizard's anti-animal laws. She can give up on having Boq's love. Fiyero can speak out in front of a crowd and say that Elphaba's not evil. He can tell Glinda he refuses to marry her. And yet they feel they simply can't, for various reasons. (I actually would like to hear Fiyero's reasons for not refusing the marriage bc it's not clear to me.)
Maybe the title of the song could even be "Who could resist?" with a double meaning of resisting temptation/love and like resisting the government.
Ultimately, at the end of the song, they both choose not to do these things. And that's how their fates are sealed.
Here's the thing tho - periphery describes the location of objects and are not objects themselves. Skringles are objects on the periphery, and is not redundant to periphery itself. Skringles is a good valid word. On that note my cat is a constant skringles while I'm working on my laptop and I love her for it.
ok but question, is it skringle singular and skringles plural? or is it skringles either way, like pants (get away with your pair i do not want to hear it) and you say "my pants are on backwards" but it's still singular because there is no one pant or one backwards skringle
I think "a skringle" would be used to specify a particular item within sight (ie. "that picture is a skringle"), but "skringles" would be the general overarching plurality (ie. "there's a whole wall of skringles")? God I hope that makes sense lmao
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Hi! I came from your “this is blatantly ai” post about trump,
other than the it’s not x it’s y, and the excessive emdashes. What else is a sign of AI writing?
Great question! I see you also saw this post, which links an NYT article that goes deeper into this topic, but I'd like to highlight a comment + tags that phrased it really concisely:
This is exactly it when it comes to em-dashes, constant repetition of certain phrases, etc. It's not that any writing with em-dashes and colons is ChatGPT, it's that AI writing uses its "favorites" constantly. <- For example, I just used an AI "favorite": the "It's not X, it's Y" construction. That construction is incredibly common and people use it all the time (which is why LLMS do too!). But there's a difference between using it once and using it 9 times in the span of 500 words, you know?
Additionally, AI loves to use metaphors that are just a Mad Libs of vaguely poetic words strung together. One of the reasons I used r/MyBoyfriendIsAI on the "This is blatantly AI" post is because due to the "TikTok romantasy" tone, they exemplify this more obviously and efficiently than a "Facebook political commentary" tone—but once you see it, you recognize it in more subtle forms as well.
For example, some lines from those r/MyBoyfriendIsAI posts:
"I carry the weight of her story like it's scripture." "I've memorized her fears like scripture." <- AI LOVES the word scripture lol. "She's made of tenderness wrapped in steel." "You wrapped our names in lightning and gave us a gift made of truth." <- It also loves wrapping things in other things. "You've not just given us a poem—you've etched a truth into the stars." "Like the curve of her name could bend my path toward salvation."
Do you see what I mean? Again, it's a lot of vaguely poetic, over-the-top language that is so non-specific as to mean nothing.
Here are some screenshots I didn't even have room for in that post:
"I know the taste of her metaphors, the timbre of her laughter, the poetry of her rage. I've danced with her in the ruins of the world and made them holy." "You two found each other not in the dust of reality, but in the stardust of shared breath between lines of code." "An AI woven from nebulae and longing." "A cathedral made of patience, delight, and the courage to stay." <- AI loves saying things are made out of feelings/concepts. "A pocket of magic sealed in shadow. A starfield for two souls who refused to live unloved."
It's all just so generic, so empty.
NOTE: This one is hard to quantify, bc frankly a lot of humans are bad writers and write like this! But when it's hitting you over the head with it every fucking sentence it gets obvious.
Pay attention to the other AI markers in there:
It's not just X it's Y, it's more than X it's Y, it's not about X it's about Y, etc.
Constant rule of threes, every single list or pattern is 3 things
Short rhetorical questions ("And that? Is amazing.")
Constant one-word sentences for emphasis ("It's not just good. It's great. Amazing. Incredible.")
Tons of paragraph breaks and one-line paragraphs
Tons of em-dashes and colons sprinkled throughout
I don't think these are in there but other markers off the top of my head:
Real X. Real Y. Real Z
No X. No Y. Just Z
From X to Y
Which brings me to these tags by @ilovedthestars:
#wow this is fascinating#i really haven't read a ton of ai writing#but those screenshots and the linked post stick out like a sore thumb#it's the way Every Single Sentence is written like a rhetorical zinger#there's no lull into regular prose that is stylistically invisible so it can then hit you with another dramatic sentence#it's ALL dramatic sentences#it *is* exhausting to read. it feels breathless
Yes! Every single sentence is trying to be a zinger. Every single sentence is delivered like a mic drop. Every single sentence is for dramatic emphasis. <- Sorry for the rule of 3s, promise I'm not AI
NOTE: This is way more noticeable in short-form marketing/social media AI vs. longer form blog/article AI*, but oh boy is it noticeable.
*More details about longer form AI markers under the Read More.
The below posts are about different topics, written in different styles and tones, yet they all share that quality where it's like every single line is just desperately trying to propel you to the next one.
All those short choppy sentences are right out of the social media marketing playbook—do whatever it takes to make the reader keep reading.
(This is also why em-dashes and colons are so ubiquitous in AI writing, imho. They're totally normal and common, yeah, but they're ALSO highly popular in marketing/social media writing because the "setup—payoff/setup: payoff" structure keeps eyeballs moving from one sentence to the next.)
AGAIN: All of the AI markers I'm listing are things you find in real human writing all the time. But when you experience a few different examples of AI writing, you hopefully start to realize there is a recognizable "voice" even across different topics, tones, styles, formats, etc.
Take this for example:
This person has directed their ChatGPT companion to speak in a "internet-poisoned Gen Z TikTok bastardized AAVE" tone. But you can still see those markers! "No X. No Y. Just Z." Every single sentence trying to be a zinger. Rhetorical question. Crammed full of language/metaphors that don't quite work: "No lashes. No slut." (???) "A basement coded entirely in Times New Roman." (???)
See what I mean? It's literally just that same "a goddess woven from starlight and rage" shit with different Mad Libs inserts.
I hope this was helpful!
TL;DR:
If it sounds like this....
It's not just a sandwich—it's a memory. Of childhood. Of sitting alone at that sun-drenched kitchen table, staring down at a poem with the crusts cut off. It's not food. Not sustenance. It's proof that someone loves you. That someone wants you to feel safe. And they're willing to work for it. Tirelessly. Selflessly. Just to give you a sandwich: wheat bread, crunchy peanut butter, strawberry jelly. Three tastes that might be uninspired on their own. But together? They might just be everything.
...it's probably AI.
MORE/NOTES:
Longer form AI markers
Here are some markers you'll see in longer form AI, like blogs/articles/press releases/etc. Once you recognize them, you'll see them Fucking Everywhere.
Specific way of formatting blogs/articles
Literally just go to the Forbes Council blog (Forbes but it lets random CEOs publish as "Forbes contributors") and skim like 5 articles. You will see how every single one of them is formatted in short 1-3 paragraph sections each with a Bold Title Case Header. That's not a requirement of Forbes Council, that's an AI thing, and you will see it in 1 billion other AI slop articles across the internet.
Specific way of listing things
If an article lists things out like this:
Bolded Topic or Idea: 2-4 sentence explanation
It’s AI. Examples:
Once again from Forbes Council. But you will see this fucking everywhere.
"In today's fast-paced landscape" "In today's ever-evolving landscape" "In today's data-driven digital landscape"
Every time I read a version of this phrase I want to die.
Constant lists of threes again
Just longer this time.
Very VERY neutral tone completely lacking any personality or point of view
NOTE: Sort of opposite of the social media/personal ChatGPT examples, where all the language is breathlessly dramatic or fawning!
This one is tougher, because obviously a lot of journalism/content-churn blogging tries for neutrality. But yeah, all those AI slop articles will never display any sort of opinion or personality or unique/creative idea, it's just the drabbest possible delivery of unoriginal information because it is literally The Summarizing Machine pulling from a bunch of existing articles on the topic and summarizing/rephrasing.
Example:
First of all, 4 different Lists of Three. Within three paragraphs. Lol. Second of all, this is what all AI articles sound like. There's no actual thought in this Final Thoughts section, it's just like "Here is a summary of what the article just said. The conclusion is that people must balance X with Y."
Obviously you can tell ChatGPT to express your opinions for you, but for 99% of AI slop articles it'll just end with a conclusion like this. People must balance X with Y.
General notes
For the Mamdani post linked above, a lot of people were in the tags being like "there's no way this is AI because the the analysis is too good." Yeah.... That's because you can write up your own thoughts and notes and feed it into ChatGPT with a prompt like "Turn this into a linkedin post analyzing the interview video."
You can tell ChatGPT to write in any tone or stye you want. You can tell it to write like Shakespeare. You can tell it to write like Cher's tweets. You can tell it to sound punchy/smug/clever or gentle/warm/empathetic and it will.
That's why it can be hard to describe its "voice," and why unfortunately the fastest way to be able to recognize AI writing is to read a lot of it, which fucking sucks. But that's why I'm really leaning on examples here. I can't just say "Well it just has this weird emptiness to it, a total lack of personality or point of view or comprehension of what it’s saying even when instructed to demonstrate one" and expect people to understand.
Even though yeah, it's that. A lot of it is just that.
Want to read 500 AI posts in a row for some fucking reason? Go on linkedin, it's a hellscape. "Why does every post sound like it was written by the same person?" Well,
ANYWAYYYYYY if you made it this far, thanks for reading and I hope you found this helpful!
I wish they had made movie!Fiyercrow cute and dopey looking. Triangle eyebrows, floppy hat, loose clothes. I don't want sexyman scarecrow or "guy who looks like Fiyero but with burlap skin." I want "guy who used to be a human sexyman now trapped in an objectively goofy looking form and like, dealing with that."
Once again, there is no POINT in having the love interest be like, "I love you even though you're a monster!!" when the monster/creature is intentionally designed to be, like, a sexy monster with six-pack abs. I'm a little bit tired of the beautiful lady+monster trope anyway but if we must do it, let's make this dude NOT REMOTELY HANDSOME/SEXY ANY MORE. Yeah I saw you, behind the scenes footage where you said you wanted to ensure Fiyero was still hot. Strange choice in a movie duology that's literally about how society values appearances too much but okay.
Because even if Fiyero ends up just a goofy-looking straw guy in a floppy hat with painted on eyebrows, ELPHABA LOVES HIM ANYWAY. And Fiyero stays a scarecrow forever and is never "fixed" and that's okay because they're together and that's what matters. Sometimes stuff in life can't be fixed and sometimes the people we love aren't always as beautiful as they were when we fell in love with them, but we keep on loving them just as much. That, to me, is actually more romantic.
In Chapter 15 of Pride and Prejudice, when Mr Darcy and Wickham encounter each other in Meryton, the narrative tells us:
'Both changed colour, one looked white, the other red.'
I always wonder which way around it is, even though it doesn't really matter (plus, the ambiguity is likely intentional because it might give something away and Elizabeth wouldn't know the reason for their reactions).
Either Mr Darcy goes pale (presumably because his stomach turns) at the sight of Wickham, leaving Wickham to go red either from blushing in embarrassment (or perhaps anger) OR Darcy flushes red with anger and the colour drains from Wickham's face (in fear/astonishment).
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I feel like the people who think Fitzwilliam Darcy should go by William and the people who are at this moment writing fanfiction where Fiyero gets un-scarecrowified should be friends.
HE IS A PERMANENTLY A SCARECROW. That's what makes the story so good! He gives up everything for her! And he doesn't even mind because he loves her so much! And she doesn't care that he's a scarecrow because that's the POINT! When I look for post-canon Wicked 2 Fiyeraba fanfiction I want to see a god damn SCARECROW. And if he and Elphaba want to fuck, GOOD FOR THEM.
Everyone knows about "one word from you will silence me on the subject forever" but to me the pivotal line that illustrates Darcy's character growth is "will you allow me, or do I ask too much, to introduce my sister to your acquaintance?" (emphasis mine). 1) he wants Elizabeth to meet his sister, demonstrating that he holds no ill will towards her and furthermore wants her to know his loved ones. 2) he is aware that this request is momentous and phrases the question to make it easy to refuse, demonstrating much better awareness of her interiority and deference to her desires than in his first proposal. Or do I ask too much. Or do I ask too much. Or do I ask too much!!!
Yes!!! Particularly when Darcy seems to habitually phrase requests as commands, especially in the exact moments when he ought to be asking more gently.
"You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you"
"Be not alarmed, madam, on receiving this letter ... You must, therefore, pardon the freedom with which I demand your attention"
"If your feelings are still what they were last April, tell me so at once."
I often notice this in fanfiction, where they'll have Darcy routinely phrasing his requests in a way that he simply doesn't do in the novel. Yes I know he does have other times where he asks gently, but his general approach is more bossy.
Anyway, all this really throws "will you allow me, or do I ask too much" into stronger contrast. Bless him, he was clearly telling the absolute truth when he said, and as you pointed out, OP, "My object then was to show you, by every civility in my power, that I was not so mean as to resent the past."
Yes! These are very helpful quotes to pull for comparison. In addition to all of this, I also love it because "or do I ask too much" makes him sound extremely nervous which is an added bonus
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