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THOMAS BARROW SIGHTING, I REPEAT A THOMAS BARROW SIGHTING
#powercouple
max confronts blanca⌠(& an attempt at subtitles since they have sadly taken velvet off netflix in lots of places)
An attempt at subtitles:
[âŚ]
- [M] I hope Miss Ortegui doesnât mind the changes - I wouldnât want to lose my job.
- [B] Thatâs not going to happen. I know I didnât treat you very well before. You have to underst-
- [M] I know perfectly well why you behave the way you do towards me. But Iâm not going to bring that up.
- [B] Bring what up? As far as I know thereâs nothing between you and me to bring up.
- [M] I think I make you nervous. More than youâd like. When you grow up up on the streets, you live free. Far away from all rules.
I think Iâve got you figured out now. Youâre suffocated by your own prejudices. Thatâs why Iâm not going to make the first move. You are. And Iâll be waitingâŚ
blanca being mean to max
(or, alternatively: blanca being completely unable to deal with her attraction to him)
Bonus: one time sheâs mean to max to make sure heâs free later ;)

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some more blanca/max pining đ
this era of their relationship đ¤
(i canât believe iâm back on them in 2025)
genuine question iâve just been pondering over: does everyone see thomas and richardâs movie kiss as their first kiss / âromantic encounter,â or do people think itâs implied that something happened offscreen before that?
iâve always thought the former and that the latter was just something in fics, but it just hit me that itâs entirely possible to interpret it differently and iâm INTRIGUED
GUYS - THOMAS GETTING HIT ON BY AN ACTOR??
IT IS TODAY!!!

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Can I live inside this loop?
Les demoiselles de Rochefort / The Young Girls Of Rochefort / 1967 /Â Jacques Demy / src
My kink is finding behind the scenes photos of Rob James Collier on the set of Downton and pretending theyâre pictures of Thomas looking happyÂ
Itâs really fun if yâall want to join me
I noticed there was a lack of 'Thomas Barrow being my favourite character' compilations so I took matters in my own hand.
I am in no way a great editor and this was purely for funsies to show my love for this evil not so evil butler â¤
Anyway, if you're interested, feel free to check it out đ
In regards to Downton Abbey, Thomas Barrow & Richard Ellis,
I find the movie exceptionally poetic in its take of Thomas and his arc. In a relatively short time, it managed to give him everything he was desperately looking for in six series. And in a way, it did it in perfect parallel to both the series/Thomas and the movie/other characters. Out of the servants, it seemed only Thomas (and arguably less successfully Daisy and Andy, but letâs be considerate of Andyâs young age) had a story arc.Â
On a surface matter, it may seem that Thomas gets two romantic interests, but to me it doesnât seem that way. Chris Webster and Thomasâ night in Turtonâs is a mirror to the upper class soiree. Who is having a better time? Royalty and upper class or Thomas and his new found friends? Whoâs enjoying their night the best? Where Thomas is intoxicated in joy, there is the stiffness of the upper class, the intrigues and illicit relationships, and the hypocrisy about who belongs there and who doesnât. While Violet is a well beloved character, she is a prime example of it and her attitude towards Maud and Lucy.Â
And then, there is Thomas living life to its fullest, until his night becomes a disaster and he gets arrested for indecency. For dancing the tango with a man, no less. Just for being who he is, in other words. To be honest, the audience cannot be certain about the people attending the secret party in Turtonâs. Some of them may live a double life. Well, Chris may be married for all we know. But the point here is that these people are getting arrested for who they are. And itâs the 1920s. No one can be out & proudly gay in the 1920s. Thatâs why they are or have to be careful.
Of course, the authorities may treat the upper class and lower class differently. For Thomas to get out of prison, Richard has to use the upper class, the highest of authorities. âOh look here, officer, I work for the King. And Barrow there? Heâs the Earlâs Butler.â This is really sad, but it gets to show the audience that the upper class had a different treatment than men like Thomas. Or Chris.
This is drama. And imho, good drama.Â
And we are brought to Richard who seems interested in Thomas from almost the start. And he doesnât hide it. Not really. Heâs got a pitbull determination to take him with him in York. Phyllis is an ally, isnât she? Does it matter if she instinctively knows itâs a date or not? Should we compare her to Ms. OâBrien? On some deeper level, we are not certain if Thomas himself knows heâs out on a date with a man like himself.Â
Richard talks about circumspection when he has put himself in danger to save Thomas. He uses a rather intimate gesture while the police van in which Thomas was arrested hours previously is right behind him, outside the police station. He talks of circuspection but his words are belied by his actions.Â
He is a man who is forced to say things that make him sick. That is tragedy. Anyway you see it, it is a tragedy.Â
But he is also the man who gives Thomas his freedom back as opposed to Pamuk blackmailing him for it; he is the man who gives Thomas a gift/promise for a future (think isnât a fling) as opposed to Phillip stealing (and later burning) his letters. This is a man who offers whole-heartily something different than friendship as opposed to Jimmy (Oh Fellowes does remember what heâs done to Thomas). And that something is what Thomas wanted if not from the start, then close enough to it. Thomas wanted love and companionship, to feel accepted. Yes, having a night out in Turtonâs was great, but it was not what Thomas was shown to want. He didnât go through conversion therapy to have wild gay life but because he wasnât happy without a partner.Â
Personally, as a content consumer, I think Fellowes did a very good job portraying the danger gay men were in the english past (and some do today), but also giving Thomas a happy ending. And not only that, but shockingly enough (gasp) he poked the upper class in the chest too.Â
I have written in the past what I think about Chris as a character, so there is no point in repeating myself *not that I havenât repeated previous posted thoughts here, but you know what I mean.
PS. Iâm not one who doesnât criticise Fellowes eg. blightly/cowardness/homosexuality/black market (and gotten refuted quite passionately too), but as a content consumer, I honestly think he did well with the movie.
this is beautifully put. iâve enjoyed reading all this DA movie discourse and i feel like now that iâve seen and explored both sides of the argument i can see again how lucky we actually were with the movie. i love analysing different possible interpretations, but at the end of the day we got to see thomas happy in a positive, touching relationship with richard, and for that iâm so grateful for the movie <3
Downton Abbey is wild because the stakes are always either SUPER low or crazy high. Itâs like, one episode is, âWho will win the gardening contest at the fair? Is the countess cheating?â And another episode is, âThe eldest daughterâs fiancĂŠ died in the Titanic, then she hooked up with a Turkish diplomat, her first ever sexual experience, and he DIED IN HER BED DURING THE CONJUGAL ACT, and now she has to move his corpse back to his bed without being of suspected of murder, BECAUSE IT COULD START A WAR, and also if people find out sheâs âdamaged goodsâ and she canât find an advantageous match, her family will LOSE THEIR ANCESTRAL HOME!â Then the showâs like, âA maid wants to become a secretary! Will she beat the odds?â
I need you guys to understand that all of these are real things that have happened on downton abbey and all of them were in the first season. This show is genuinely the wildest shit

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Richard Ellis â the Great Pretender
You know, I liked the whole ThomasxRichard love story in the âDownton Abbeyâ Movie No. 1, I really did. I thought they were sweet together, and Richard was so handsome and charming.
And yet I canât fail to notice the way he was written by Julian Fellowes as a character. (Blame Fellowes for this, not me. Donât kill the messenger, please.)
Not only are Chris Webster and Richard Ellis juxtaposed as personifications of the choice that Thomas, as a gay man, has to make (as I pointed out in this meta here: x, and an added comment to it here: x). Namely, the choice between the wild gay life of freedom (Chris Webster) and the closeted and discreet (âcircumspectâ) life (Richard Ellis).
And not only is Fellowes explicitly punishing one choice by the narrative (Christ Webster) and rewarding the alternative (Richard Ellis).
So, not only is Fellowes doing all of thisâŚNo! He also writes Richard Ellis in a very specific way:
Just look at the the first scene in which Richard actually gets to DO something (apart from standing around and talking about his job), the first real action he takes is: He PRETENDS to be someone he is not!
He pretends to be Sir Harry Barnston on the phone.Â
Granted, he does so with good intentions. And Fate (aka Julian Fellowes aka the author) smiles on him for doing that. But still: His first real action in this movie is: PRETENDING.
Then Richard Ellis turns up at the police station and pretends to hate gays and be disgusted by them. Which implies that he also pretends to be straight. So, once againâŚhe is specifically written as someone who pretends to be something that heâs not. (Note that Iâm not saying this is a bad thing. We are meant to sympathize with him here. And we do. As we should.)Â
All Iâm saying is: Fellowes makes him someone who pretends AGAIN.
Richard Ellis actually points out to the policeman that Thomas works as the Earl of Granthamâs butler and he himself works in the Royal Household. Both these facts are technically correct, but they offer him this absolutely impeccable straight veneer of âIâm-clean-as-a-whistleâ, which clearly is a bitâŚermâŚshall we say: itâs pretence again. At least, in a certain sense.
He then even proceeds to project his own pretence onto Thomas by claiming that Thomas was only PRETENDING to be gay, that it was all a joke.Â
Again: Iâm not saying this is a bad thing. And itâs absolutely understandable, even heroic under the circumstances. But you have to look at it through the eyes of a writer: Fellowes writes Richard as a guy who pretends to be something and someone that he clearly is not.Â
Richard Ellis, in Julian Fellowesâ writing, pretends all day long. Thatâs what he does. And Fellowes rewards this pretending as good and righteous.
Chris Webster (while obviously only appearing on screen for a few minutes) is intentionally not written in this way. He approaches another potentially gay man (Thomas) much more openly and then pays the price for partying at a gay club by going to prison.
Richard on the other hand is rewarded (by Fellowes) for pretending.
What more evidence do you need that Fellowes intentionally writes Richard as a personification of the closeted lifestyle. And Fellowesâ writing actually approves of said âcircumspectâ way of living.
Thereâs one sentence that immediately struck me as curious while I was watching the movie: Not only does Richard tell the policeman that it âturnsâ his âstomachâ thinking about gays, which would have been enough to imply, âHey, officer, Iâm absolutely 100 percent straight and normal, you know.âÂ
No, Richard actually takes it even one step further. He says, âI would kill myself if I thought I was one of them.â
In other words, Richard plays âWhat-if-I-were-gayâ here. Fellowes specifically points out to us that Richard says, âif I thought I was one of themâ, he letâs Richard literally speculate on who he is or is not, making this a very, very strong case of Richard pretending to be someone that heâs not.
Now, is there a narrative progression to Richardâs pretending throughout the movie? Yes, there is:
Remember the wife that Richard Ellis was originally supposed to have? The wife reveal that Fellowes fortunately let himself be talked out of?
Well, look at this from the structural point of view of a writer:Â
Richard Ellis first pretends to be Sir Harry on the phone, then pretends to be something heâs not at the police station, then even projects that pretence onto ThomasâŚand eventually the storyline would have then culminated in us finding out that he even âpretendedâ to be straight by being married and having a wife.
Thereâs a clear progression here: from >>>harmless prank-call as Sir Harry pretence>>>to>>>more serious police-station pretence>>>to>>>eventually>>>wife reveal (pretending to be straight and living a closeted life, ie very serious life-style-choice type of pretence).
Iâm not saying I would have liked the wife reveal, but it makes sense from a writerâs point of view.Â
Fellowes neatly planned that character out in a certain way, and there is a clear progression in how Richardâs pretending is revealed more and more to us, the viewers.
Now, from Thomasâ (in-universe) point of view, I have to say that Iâm really, really glad Fellowes let himself be talked out of that whole wife reveal as the culminating moment. Iâm glad for Thomas. Iâm glad for us, the audience. Iâm glad for all Barris shippers (of whom I might tentatively be one).
But from the perspective of a writer, we end up with a narrative progression thatâs strangely cut off at the last moment. Itâs left hanging in the air.Â
Imagine the whole Lucy Smith story hadnât culminated in the reveal of her being the daughter of Lady Maud Bagshaw. Imagine there would have been a storyline building up to that reveal through all sorts of hints and clues without the actual follow-through. Thatâs what itâs like with Richardâs storyline.
Again: Iâm not saying I would have liked a wife reveal for Richard Ellis. (I would have hated that, as a matter of fact.) Itâs just that structurally in the progression of his pretending it was clearly building up to something along those lines. Thatâs the way Julian Fellowes wrote it. (Donât blame me. Blame him.)
Iâm not saying any of this to take away from your enjoyment of the ThomasxRichard ship. On the contrary: I liked them a lot together. I might be a die-hard ThomasxJimmy shipper, but thereâs room in my heart for both ThomasxEdward and ThomasxRichard. I might even write a few ThomasxRichard fics in the future. So Iâm not AT ALL adverse to this ship.
I just think that we have to take a look at the way he was written as a character. We can then obviously feel free to subvert that in any way we like. (Death of the author and all that.) But the analysis comes first. The question of What-was-this-character-supposed-to-represent, even What-was-he-there-for, this question comes first.Â
And I donât think Fellowes wrote him as this shining example of an âout-and-proudâ, confident gay man that a lot of people in the fandom seem to see him as. Fellowes wrote him as THE representation of the closet: a gilded closet if you will, a closet thatâs very comfortable to live in, but a closet nonetheless.
Thatâs the writerâs intention here.
And, as I pointed out before, thatâs the reason why Richard, who could have potentially caressed Thomas in any way, shape or form, specifically touches Thomasâ lips in a Shhhhh! gesture. Richard Ellis is all hush-hush.
P.S. Before anyone asks: Yes, I am aware that Richard pretending to be Sir Harry in a prank call has nothing to do with him being gay. Iâm not saying it has. Not literally. But subtextually, it has!
Remember: For the purposes of this meta, weâre looking at all of this through the eyes of the author, ie, how and why did or didnât the author make a certain writing choice.
On a show ripe with idiotic twists and turns (Hello, Fake-Patrick! And donât even get me started on Matthewâs tingle that helped him get up from his wheelchair again!), Fellowes could have easily pulled some idiotic explanation out of his derrière, according to which Thomas is suddenly really good at imitating voices. He could have had Thomas do the whole prank call on his own or have someone else do it. But Fellowes specifically didnât write it this way. He specifically gave that part to Richard.Â
Because subtextually he wanted Richard to pretend to speak with a voice that isnât Richardâs. He wanted Richard to pretend to be a member of a class and a station in life, and, in some sense, a type of sexuality, thatâs absolutely 100 percent above board and respectable. He wanted Richard to pretend.
Richard says, âIâm very good at doing Sir Harry Barnston, I can assure you.â So he pretty much melds and disappears into this other persona at that moment, and need I even tell you that Sir Harry Barnston was historically a Conservative politician?
The character Richard Ellis was written as a pretender, as a man in the closet. This character was not written as a shining example of âout-and-proudâ or even anything remotely close to that. Which is also why I doubt the fandomâs favourite headcanon of Richard having tolerant parents in York. (Not because Iâm an arsehole; I would love for him to have kind and understanding parents. But, to be honest, I doubt Richard is even âoutâ to them. Thatâs not the way he is written by Fellowes.)
He is consistently written as someone who is in the closet, as someone who pretends. And Fellowes tells us (whatever we may think about that) that this is a good thing.
P.P.S. And before anyone asks: This meta is NOT meant as hate. Not Richard hate, not Barris hate. Not in a million years. Maybe itâs Fellowes hate, though.:DÂ
this is wonderful meta and i find this so interesting.. i think that there are two possible reasons for which julian fellowes might have chosen to present richard as a âpretenderâ: 1) to elicit sympathy from the audience due to the way his sexuality forces him to pretend, OR 2) to advocate pretence as the best mechanism for survival. however, as mentioned in this post, fellowes actually ârewards this pretending as good and righteous,â suggesting that his intentions align with option 2, rather than 1. and this is exactly what angers me about the film!
as evidence for fellowesâ flawed message, this post interestingly points to richardâs impression of sir harry barnston - think of how richard even *brags* to thomas about his ability to behave like this conservative figure. and thomas actually looks at him admiringly, again painting pretence in a positive light! on top of this, the finger-on-the-lips moment connotes silencing and, once more, repression. during all of this, richard possibly appears as a kind of mentor to thomas, guiding him down what fellowes seems to idolise as the âbestâ path for men like him.
had fellowes used richardâs nature as a pretender to evoke sympathy (for the way men at the time were forced to hide), i think his character would have been much more powerful. in other words, fellowes could and should have gone down the route of option 1 - instead of implicitly glorifying and meriting his pretence. now, iâm not at all saying that richard was in the wrong: in fairness to fellowes, it would be unrealistic for richard to have been open and honest about himself without period-typical repercussions, so richardâs character is, at least, pretty convincing. however, what does seem wrong is for fellowes to seemingly advocate self-repression! Â and, as the original post explains, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that this is exactly what fellowes is doing. even if it was necessary for many gay men at the time to pretend, we canât forget that this film was intended for a modern audience, so what sort of message is fellowes trying to communicate to us?
so, back to my original point: if fellowes felt the need to present richard as a âpretenderâ, then why, why, why did he glorify it and not use it to create sympathy for his situation? why did he present richard as so self-assured and accepting of his need to pretend, even transferring his outlook onto thomas? yes, this was (sadly) how many men at the time were forced to behave, but fellowes should have left the audience thinking about the injustices, and not the pragmatism, of having to pretend.
[disclaimer: belive it or not, despite all this, i am still a huge richard stan - just one that likes to over-analyse and criticise julian fellowes!]
Youâve said it better than I could, @granderthanladymary. :)
The only other explanation I can think of is that Fellowes was actually trying to elicit our sympathy for Richardâs situation (your option 1), but did so badly, ie, it failed and came across as advocacy for the closet where it wasnât meant to be read as such.
Iâm inclined to give Fellowes (and pretty much anyone in life) the benefit of the doubt. Largely because he also included this wistful sentence:Â â50 years ago who would have thought man could fly.â Itâs a hint (not more, not less) that Fellowes, as the author, wishes things were different and knows they will be half a century after this story is set.
yep, thereâs certainly a case for giving fellowes the benefit of the doubt - thank goodness he included the âwho would have thought man could flyâ line!! and i guess at the end of the day, we as an audience are supposed to root for thomas and his love interest, which definitely counts for something! as you said, itâs just a shame that fellowes executed some of his message poorly. still, i donât want to complain too much about this storyline, because on the whole it was wonderful to see it being given so much attention in the movie!
happy thomas!! thatâs it, thatâs the post.