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There's a paradox in a lot of plural spaces. System kids are welcome, but only if they're Literal Children who stay in child-only soft boxes where they can be ignored. If a kid wants to have an adult conversation, then they're spoken over, pushed away, or otherwise discounted more often than not- and if they're accepted, then it's often at the cost of expecting them to have absolutely no childlike qualities to "prove" that they're mature enough to stay around. We even see this pattern within systems sometimes.
What are systems without adult members supposed to do if the only place system kids can talk is in the Super Soft Safe Box? What about system kids who want to talk about theoretical physics or drugs or sex or a thousand other taboos? What about kids who function as adults? And what about system kids who are kids but don't want to live their lives in the Super Soft Safe Box like the world expects them to?
Acceptance of system kids as being wildly different from each other in mindset and ability is improving, but we still have a long way to go in treating system kids with a shred of respect and decency in wider plural spaces.
Not to mention... why is there so much intense focus on mental age as some universal concept in the first place? It feels like a lot of the plural community takes the concept of mental age as a given without considering where that idea comes from, how it affects how they treat others, and how it interacts with systemic discrimination and ableism. It can sometimes be a useful construct if approached critically, but I see so little critical thought about it.
If you want some reading on the topic, one of the articles cited is worth at least a skim- it's a fairly good surface overview of eugenics and its tie to IQ/mental age, immigration, racism, ableism, etc.
ID below the cut with the full quotes- sorry to alt texters, I fit as much as I could in there but the text limit is real.
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There's a subtle sort of discrimination to how a lot of plural spaces treat system kids/littles. Especially those in adult bodies, or with a particularly large gap from their body's age.
"Littles must always be supervised in online spaces or else they'll bother adults and be preyed upon." "There must be an adult in your system if you're bodily an adult- they should handle life while the kids go away to never be seen by adults again. Littles should only talk to other littles. Anything else is unsafe and sometimes pedophilic. Right?" "Littles shouldn't be in charge. They're supposed to be cared for by everyone else and kept out of sight." "You're welcome here! You just have to only ever talk in the Baby Zone that no adults ever visit to talk to you. Yeah, it's empty and no one will answer. But you want to talk, right?" "Sorry sweetie, the adults are talking and you can't be here. Even if you're capable of understanding, consenting, etc. You're not allowed to be here with us if you're not a real adult." "Littles can't take care of themselves or handle any adult responsibilities, ever!" "Is there an adult I can talk to?"
Blue, an anthro cat sitting down, looks angry at the above phrases.
What are adult-bodied systems with no "brain adults" supposed to do? Drawing of a family of stick figures, all of whom are either child-short or hunching to be shorter.
What about systems whose caretakers are their children? Systems where there is no older person to supervise? Systems finding ways to live an adult life when no one inside aligns with it? What are you supposed to do when a 5-year-old does your taxes and drives you home?
"Just grow up." Do I get a choice, or are you ripping that away from me too?
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Why is "mental age" the bar people are using to decide whether someone is worthy of autonomy and respect, anyway? Where does the concept of mental age come from in the first place, and why does it exist?
From Wilson, R. A. (2024). Eugenic Thinking and the Cognitive Sciences. In M. C. Frank & A. Majid (Eds.), Open Encyclopedia of Cognitive Science. MIT Press. https://doi.org/10.21428/e2759450.c9a5f080:
"Eugenic traits:
Prominent among the eugenic traits found in sterilization laws were those concerning cognitive ability and mental health. These traits, ordered in terms of their frequency in U.S. state and Canadian provincial sterilization laws, included feeble-mindedness, insanity, epilepsy, criminality, imbecility, idiocy, sexual perversion (or depravity), mental unfitness (or deficiency), and moral depravity (or degeneracy). As this listing suggests, these laws especially targeted those perceived to have some kind of cognitive limitation or psychiatric condition on the grounds that they were unfit and would propagate these eugenic traits to their children; approximately 70% of all eugenic traits mentioned in sexual sterilization laws in the United States and Canada concerned cognitive ability or mental health. Given this, there was a clear role for psychologists in programs of eugenic sterilization, given their expertise in psychological testing (Rose, 1985). Such testing and subsequent sterilization were conducted through emerging forms of institutionalization, such as “training schools for the feeble-minded,” especially as eugenics gained state-level backing (Miller et al., 2015).
One of the roles of psychologists was to develop ways to measure those who were cognitively or psychiatrically subnormal. Emerging intelligence tests were adapted to quantify and classify those deemed “feeble-minded”or “mentally deficient” (Thomson, 1998; Trent, 1994). Binet’s famous test of intelligence, for example, incorporated the more specific existing folk categories of “imbecile” and “idiot,” adapting these to designate developmentally delayed children with mental ages, respectively, of 3–7 and 2 years. Following the translation of Binet’s test from French into English by Henry Goddard in 1908, “moron” was coined in 1910 to pick out those in the general population with a putatively fixed mental age of 8–12 years. This resulted in a three-tiered schema of intellectual subnormality—moron, imbecile, idiot—that came to be widely used in the eugenics movement.
In the hands of the psychologist Lewis Terman, what became the Stanford-Binet test initially was deployed in selecting army recruits near the end of World War I (1914–1918) before being used on the general population. The three-tiered scheme was accordingly fed into the newly minted idea of an intelligence quotient (IQ) that remains with us 100 years on, with the fixed mental ages of moron, imbecile, and idiot mapped onto standard deviations from a normalized IQ of 100. From the 1920s, these tests were widely used to identify children who were candidates for eugenic sterilization, whether they were already housed in segregated institutions or within the regular school system or general community."
From Asilverm, & Asilverm. (n.d.). What’s My Age Again: Why Mental Age Theory Hurts People with Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities. Retrieved May 31, 2026, from https://www.disabilitywisdom.com/2018/12/21/whats-my-age-again-why-mental-age-theory-hurts-people-with-intellectual-and-developmental-disabilities/:
The concept of “mental age” was first introduced by Alfred Binet, co-creator of the first IQ tests, in the early twentieth century. Generally, “mental age” has been measured by comparing an individual’s score on a standardized IQ test with the average performance of their same-age peers. For people with IDD, “mental age” may also be estimated by comparing the person’s demonstrated physical, speech, adaptive or cognitive skills against the average for various age groups.
Not surprisingly, “mental age” came about alongside the eugenics movement in the United States. Mental ages were used to classify various groups of “feebleminded” individuals by severity: Adults with a mental age of 9-12 years were classified as “morons”; those with a mental age of 6-8 years were classified as “imbeciles”; and those with a mental age of 2-5 were classified as “idiots.” Individuals from any of these groups were thought unfit to reproduce."
A drawing of Blue looks annoyed and concerned. It's labelled, "TFW it's eugenics again. :("
Oh yeah. Why is it always eugenics?
To be clear: I'm not saying anyone is ableist or practicing eugenics for having a sense of their own internal age. I am pointing out how systemic ableism affects how system kids are treated, how the concept of mental age stems from ableism in the first place, and how terribly many cultures treat children and deemed-children to begin with: how children and disabled people are often regarded as objects, burdens, or annoyances who don't know enough to have a say about their own needs. Is this really how we want to assume all system kids should be treated? How anyone should be treated?
How much of how system kids are treated ties back to some form of ableism, in the end? I wonder about this a lot and I feel like I never see people talk about it.
It's not very common for me, but there are times when it feels like my headmates actually come out of "headspace" and are physically next to me, usually to show physical affection in some way. It's an extremely pleasant experience, one of my favourite parts of being plural. It seems completely random and I can't seem to find anything that triggers or causes it. Is there any way I can try to get it to happen more often?
The daemonism and tulpamancy communities call this experience "imposition", and they've written a bunch of guides on doing this intentionally. I've also seen it called "projection", depending on who's naming the phenomenon and where, but "imposition" is more useful in a search engine because the word is less commonly used outside of this context than "projection" is.
If you want a starting point, then I might point you to the Tulpanomicon's section on imposition (which has three guides), the slightly larger imposition section in the New Great Big List of Guides (which is 13 years old now- wow, that time went by quickly), and whatever Reddit threads you can scrounge up. I tossed "tulpamancy imposition guide" into a search engine and found useful results, so you may find more recent guides by poking around.
I'd also encourage you to write and share your own guide if you figure this out. There's a general lack of guide-style writing compared to a decade ago, and I think we could all benefit from each other's hard-earned lessons and skills.
Do you have any advice on how to journal as a system. Thinking of doing it ourselves but struggling to figure out how to format, structure, and actually do it
Rule Number One of Journaling:
there are no rules.
Rule Number Two of Journaling:
you should ignore Rule One if having rules helps you journal.
So: take a moment and imagine a world where journaling is easy (or fun) and helpful for your system. Toss out all your notions of what journaling should be- remember Rule One? Start from scratch.
If journaling were easy, then what would your journal (and journaling process) look like? What do you each want from your journal(s)? What rules or structures would make those wants happen?
It sounds like a silly question, but seriously, sit down and try to answer it. That might give you some ideas to get started with.
About "Rules"
There are no rules for journaling, only guidelines and preferences. What do you want your journal to do for you? What structures would allow it to do that?
There are so, so, so many different styles of journaling out there, and no two people have quite the same setup. Some people swear by elaborate formatting that takes them an hour to set up before they can write the entry itself. Some people journal with a Bic ballpoint on looseleaf paper that they staple together sometimes. Some people prefer to write for an imaginary audience. Some people burn their finished journals. Some people do best with set journaling times, while others stick to an "if we think about it, we do it" tactic. I could go on.
If you keep individual journals, then your personal setup is going to be unique to you, but a big part of having a shared System Journal is finding ways to coexist despite different formatting preferences and/or journaling goals. The challenge comes in allowing your journal to change with you or in compromising on a shared format.
That's where Rule Two comes in: at any time, you all may agree to do something a certain way. That agreement might help keep the peace, make conversation easier, or otherwise help you get along in the journal, but it should help you journal in some way.
A rule isn't working? Remember Rule One: there are no rules. You can always try something else. Rules should help you share the space, not get in the way of using that space in the first place.
As for starting: As soon as you've gotten a thought out of your head somewhere vaguely reflective, you've successfully journaled. Keep going.
Our Journaling Setup
Your journal is probably going to look very different from our current setup, but I'm hoping that ours gives you ideas about what your own system journal(s) could be like.
We keep four journals right now:
One lined A5 journal that acts as a catch-all for thoughts and communication. We call it the "main journal" for a reason, and it was our only journal for a long time. When in doubt, check this one. (See footnote 1)
One blank A6 journal that lives in our pocket. Useful for work, going out, etc. Also great for brainstorming in. We added this journal when the main journal became impractical to carry in some situations, but we still wanted something to capture our thoughts with.
One chunky, specialized A5 journal designed to capture one four-line entry per day for ten years. Extremely useful for figuring out when something happened in the semi-recent past (or what happened at all). It's also proven its worth by making seasonal patterns in our mood obvious.
One orange three-ring binder that we leave on our desk when actively debating major or long-term decisions. Used to keep the debate somewhere that we can actually find it. Also contains printed copies of system agreements for archival/reference, brain-fixing documents in case of emergency, etc.
This setup is something that we've figured out by trial and error- if something snags, then we change our journaling habits to fix the snag and keep improving upon it as we go.
Our rules for our main and mini journals:
There are no rules. If a rule stops helping or being fun, then suggest changing or removing the rule.
No thought is too small, ridiculous, absurd, or out of context. If you think, "I should write that down," then write it down.
Do not write for future historians, potential snoopers, etc. Write for yourself or our system. Do not self-censor. (See footnote 2)
You are not required to identify yourself in entries, but it is appreciated if you're comfortable doing so. (See footnote 3)
Avoid censoring each other, but respect it when it happens. If we see something crossed out or blotted over, then we will assume that it would be destabilizing or dangerous to know, and we will not attempt to read it anyway.
You don't have to be nice, but you do need to be respectful. Insult someone all you want, but don't rip up the drawing that they spent four hours on, and don't deny their right to share the space. Let them speak.
Mark the first entry of each day with the date in YYYY-MM-DD format (see footnote 4). Days start at 00:00.
If two entries are separated by time or topic within the same day, then leave a blank line between them.
You do not have to use timestamps, but you may note the time if you would like to. 24-hour timestamps are preferred for clarity.
Doodling in the journal counts as journaling.
Taping things into the journal counts as journaling.
Sticking things into the journal's inside pocket for safekeeping counts as journaling.
Completed journals are archived for safe-keeping and future reference.
Our journaling setup might be pretty personal to us because everyone likes to journal for different reasons and in different ways. We journal to process the contents of our head, talk to each other, brainstorm, problem-solve, and keep a grasp on time passing.
Many of our rules are compromises that allow us to accomplish our goals while sharing pages with each other. Sharing space means that we have to respect that shared space. Someone else's entry can be written over or destroyed, for example. The physicality of the journal entries was something we had to account for.
I'd honestly say that sharing physical space in our earliest journals taught us the basics of getting along with each other. Crossing out someone else's entry tends to upset them, and we each eventually learned that leaving a snarky comment in the margin was given a lot more tolerance than crossing out someone else's entry. That opened space for snarky margin conversations where we could try to understand each other a little better, albeit in a slightly hostile way. Nowadays, we're talking in the center of the page, and the snark is considerably more good-natured.
I hope some of this helps you all figure out what you want your system journal to be like, Anons.
Footnotes
1: We put a lot of effort into making this journal feel like a consistent place or home. We use a journal cover to make it look mostly the same, we buy multiple of the same journal so it's not jarringly different, and we write a phrase on the first and last pages when starting and finishing the journal to pass the metaphorical torch. It really is the main journal because of this, the one that feels like relief to sit with.
You don't need a journal cover or luxury supplies to pull that sort of consistent journaling environment off, though. Many people swear by journaling in ordinary composition books or spiral notebooks. They're consistent, easy to find, and cheap. You reliably get the same thing every time. If you want a journal that stays essentially the same even when you replace it (especially one that's not likely to go out of production in the future), then you might want to consider your local generic school notebook.
2: The trouble with self-censoring yourself to look good for the imaginary future historians is that you might wind up avoiding any topic with much depth or roughness to it, tinting the whole thing to avoid judgement. This has a way of skirting around all of the things you'd get the most benefit from journaling about.
When we introduced this rule, we wrote everything that we wouldn't want a future historian to see on the front page of the next journal to ensure that we'd have no reason to self-censor. It was very effective. Why hide anything if you've put your personal brain garbage in the front for whoever reads it?
3: Various ways to mark who wrote an entry:
Writing utensil type (pencil, pen, crayon, marker...)
Color
Signatures and printed names
Name symbols, sigils, emblems
Doodles of your faces
Speech bubbles
Position on the page
Handwriting quirks (voluntary or involuntary)
Indexing it in the back or front
Marking entries is absolutely not required, and we actually don't do it too often at the moment. That said, if you like marking entries by using different ink colors, multi-color pens have gotten a lot better and some of them feel glorious to use. We like the Pilot Dr. Grip 4+1 personally. This isn't an ad, we genuinely just like the pen.
4: The actual follow-through on the date format is still inconsistent; someone has yet to get the memo on the format, and we have no idea who. We'll get it across to whoever it is eventually, and they're using a format we can parse in the meantime, so it's no big deal.
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I've been in Love with Old style graphic posters, The texture, The angular style, this One is inspired By soviet propaganda and those big murals The Diamonds from Steven Universe had of themselves, simple but effective design, Perfect for me who HATES drawing Primarch Armour with even Cell of My body.
But I really enjoyed doing This One and applying The paper folds and dots and slight effects, and Dorn IS a Very Angular and Delightful knucklehead with The BIGGEST Golden Heart, famous for being imune to corruption due to his autism— AURA, aura, his Aura. I should draw him more.
I love warhammer 40k fans on here because they’re all like “I LOVE blorbius scrunklius, he’s such a relatable tragic character. The scenes in his book where he talks about how his father failed him always make me so emotional. He’s my sweet little babygirl and I would protect him with my life.” And then I look up blorbius scrunklius or whatever and his canon artwork looks like
we've written fanfiction about almost all of our fictives, but its really only sparrow who gets the "bleeding out in an alleyway for 3k words" treatment. dw, he's cool with it
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Egyptian silver fish fertility pendant, circa 1913
Coins and fish commonly represent abundance and prosperity. In Egypt's Abu el-Numrus region, fish-shaped pendants were especially popular and were likely crafted by local Egyptian Jewish jewelers.
Chiquita released an advertisement which used AI and so many comments were saying they would never eat chiquita again, and like I don't care if you eat chiquita, to my knowledge there's no organized boycott against them (if there is feel free to add to my post) but if you would stop buying from a company due to their wrongdoings then why do you even buy Chiquita in the first place??? They literally funded the OVERTHROWING OF A GOVERNMENT, how can you be mad about AI but not about funding an actual coup??
Yeah Chiquita used to be United Fruit, and that name used to mean a lot, it meant so much in fact that they changed it to Chiquita hoping everyone would forget who they were. Have you ever heard the phrase "banana republic?"
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Does being black affect your experience with DID? It's lonelier!!!
There's already so little positive representation afforded to DID in mental health spaces, much less ANY acknowledgement of how the intersection of Black culture and antiblackness could factor into well...anything! The lack of opportunities to hear from people who come from similar cultural contexts as me, has me feeling like a freak for enduring basic symptoms of the disorder and makes it hard to shake the subtle feeling that white pain is "more authentic" than my own. FAKE.
Personally, I feel this phenomenon influences how we navigate systemhood too. From the few Black systems I WAS able to sniff out, I noticed a similarity that we all shared. Our multiplicity was very, very quiet, and yes, I know DID is a covert disorder, but that's not exactly what I mean...
I mean in the sense of acknowledging or talking about our experiences with anything. Anywhere. With anyone.
Community or a sense of belonging plays a significant role in the perceived safety to unmask safely...Most people in my family don't even acknowledge dissociation exists, much less DID, and I reckon many other Black folks can relate to mental health being a sore subject in their families.
...and for good reason! There is a long history of horrific medical neglect, experimentation, and forced hospitalization that has planted seeds of distrust in Western medicine among my people.
We see this history echoed today through racial biases within the medical field that lead to barriers in compassionate, adequate care. Sadly, my "irrational" belief that white suffering is more real somehow, is a genuine bias many medical professionals hold- my white ex therapist included, who interpreted my MID scores, diagnosed me, and still became frustrated with my inconsistent behavior and asked me to justify my diagnosis to her multiple times.
Instead of admitting that there's blood in the water by going through the typical channels, a lot of our families opt to handle things themselves, and this ends up looking like "tough love" parenting. Putting myself in my parent's shoes for a second, the goal is to mold a child into an adult who won't show symptoms that could get them killed or further othered as well as one who can be strong and independent, but also submits completely to authority.
Take your ass upstairs to your room. Pull down your pants and bend over. This hurts me more than it hurts you.
It's not uncommon for Black youth to trade stories of torture and physical abuse with a sort of bitter fondness, as it's something of a rite of passage, a "necessary evil". Diamonds form under pressure after all and there is something rotten in us that needed to be bled out to survive in a world that will be 10x harder on us.
(As you can imagine, if a child is raised in a culture where it is normalized to laugh at their pain and keep it moving...It also makes it harder to put a name to certain experiences. I knew that it felt wrong, but I didn't realize corporal punishment was considered abuse until my early 20's.)
In general there's a lot of extra strain on Black children to learn how to Play Dead. Our parents are out there making it happen and checking all the boxes that they can manage within an antiblack society, the least you can do is lighten the load a little by keeping that sickness in your head under lock and key especially when there IS very real danger in letting it show, even to the people you're "supposed" to. In other words...
To survive you must keep your fucking mouth shut. Hard to argue with that! Warning! Warning! Warning!
Some nonblack systems may read this far and even nod along at certain points. Maybe you've also felt pressured into suffering in silence for a variety of reasons and can sympathize. I mean, that's why you ran to the internet right?
It's the one place you can truly be yourself!!!!!
Ok. I'm going to be a little mean now. To feel as though the internet is a "safe haven" or a means of authentic expression is a privilege that many (especially white people) take for granted. The things I have seen my peers withstand just for existing without shame has angered and saddened me to the point of tears- No, I do not get the pleasure of logging on and being embraced by a community of people who will dignify me with the ability to stand with my Blackness and my DID hand in hand.
And yes, while one can argue that online spaces for dissociative disorders are a mixed-bag at best, my greater point is that antiblackness uniquely forces us to pick between our loyalty to our culture and every other facet of who we are because we are not allowed the catharsis of escapism without being reminded constantly of our status as Other, even within similarly marginalized communities.
It's a choice so painful that many of us just...avoid making it at all and keep to ourselves.
So if every point of connection is potentially unsafe; from family, to friends, to therapists, to online expression, it feels like no matter where I go or what I do, I can't escape the chasm.
I don't really want to end on a sad note though...
I will say that sometimes "community" can be found in individuals, and because of the curiosity of some particularly tenacious friends, I've been braver about taking up space which includes finally putting "Black" in my bio in some capacity after 12 years of being on the internet, give or take. The body's Blackness is a sore subject within the system (A subject for another time), but I think it's a big step, personally.
I suppose to end this I will say: If you are nonblack, please look for us. The system is built to exclude us and for our absence to go unnoticed. Taking a moment to be curious about the things we say and make could genuinely save a life.
And to all Black systems, I hope this post reaches you and lets you know that you aren't alone and our experiences are not less than just because we are pressured into holding it all inside. I care for you, ALL of you, and hope this inspires some of you to find your voices too. They are sorely needed!
