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Aphobia is craaaaazy, like queer people in general didn’t do anything but we REALLY didn’t do anything

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the duffers never addressed that fuckass painting because there’s no heterosexual explanation for mike being in love with will’s feelings
No like… it’s actually fucking insane. I don’t think people realize how INSANE it is from a writing standpoint. Mike is CANONICALLY in love with Will’s feelings for him. They couldn’t resolve this plot point without byler being canon because acknowledging it would have made it obvious that Mike was in love with Will. He ends the show IN LOVE with WILL and thinking it’s all from El. That is crazy.
They had to completely ignore the narrative they wrote to avoid byler. They had to straight up pretend it never existed, leaving the story itself unfinished. For what? Because they’re too scared to make two boys kiss? Omfg it’s unreal!
This is like if the movie IT Part 2 ended without Beverly ever realizing it was Ben that wrote the poem for her. The way they just full-on lied to Finn too by saying the painting lie would pay off in the end only for it to never be addressed in Season 5 and only show up in the epilogue on Mike’s wall like…
It’s such a deliberate cop-out. They knew if the painting lie was addressed that it could only result in a Byler endgame thus ignored it completely.
I really hope we get an answer at some point as to why there was all this build-up only for it to get dropped halfway through the final season. Even S5 Vol 1 set Byler up with the signals and snowball/avalanche conversation only for that to also come to nothing too. My guess is it remains a combination of the writers strike and losing writers in the room who advocated for Byler, Leigh and Ross’s divorce, and rising political conservatism. Because the set-up of Byler especially in S4 especially with the Cyrano trope, made a Byler conclusion feel inevitable.
Y’all if conformitygate is fun for you and you need it to cope with the ass finale, then continue doing it, don’t let me take that away from you. Just keep in mind that this is exactly what they want, what they’ve done for years. Throwing little hints here there to farm engagement, clicks and views to get your money. How many times has this gate caused you to go back and rewatch the show, or download an app with ads to do puzzles. Anytime you engage with the official content, you are funding their pockets more and more. The byler fandom had THE most wonderful theories for years and look where that got us. We just got strung along and gave them free promo and money for no payoff. If there is a secret finale, then it will be revealed in due time. Please don’t repeat the same mistakes we’ve done and think the Duffers are any sort of geniuses. They’re just cowards and sellouts.
leigh (ross duffer's ex wife) having written explicit queer horror romances before (fear street trilogy. i haven't watched it but apparently there's a couple in there similar to byler?)
ross duffer getting divorced between s4-5 production
volume 1 feeling like a completely different writer's room from vol 2-3. as in the writing quality just... tanked
the hints on the writers' twitter account, that one poster at a strike protest "byler won't write itself". btw that twitter account stopped posting in 2023, which i think is around when writers strikes were happening, take from that what you will
constant contradictions in the duffers words with the season 5 story beats teased pre writers strike
the subtext already built into the show that reflects the way slowburn queer romances have been set up in other shows-yet vanishes mysteriously from vol
2-3
the "for will" tape and mike funko pop with the painting never being explained
previously well written queer character (robin) is suddenly written very weirdly at the end of the show and has an off screen breakup, despite ST always showing breakups on screen. also the difference in her coming out scene vs will's? how could those possibly be written by the same people
a cast interview implying the duffers didn't show anyone the script at all
all of the attention to detail in the cinematography, set design, character outfits etc building to nothing
like call me insane but i'm pretty convinced that the duffer brothers lost people in the writers room + leigh, and we can now see them for the mediocre screenwriters they really are
edit: oh how could i forget to add that no fucking way any feminist writing in this show was the duffers' doing.
no way they wrote el and max's friendship or honestly any of el's complexity and heartbreakingly beautiful character trying to be a person after growing up in hell. no way they did that when they called her a girl E.T. and gave her THAT ending + all the stuff in the recent interview about mileven and this being the ending they always envisioned for her + making her entire arc tangential to the men that saved her. oh and killing kali
no way they wrote erica when they say in an recent interview that nobody would care what happened to her. the misogynoir is fucking disgusting auughhhhh
When you think about it, Will's only purpose on this show was to get kidnapped so Mike could meet El, get possessed so Mike could get El back, fight with Mike so Mike could learn to admit to El he's wrong, fall I love with Mike so he could explain El's feelings to Mike, and give up on Mike so that he wouldn't be in their way.
All the while being tortured by supernatural beings, but only playing a passive role in it except for a few scenes in the final season.
Will ended up being a plot device wrapped up in a heteronormative idea of a gay story.
Fuck the Duffers.

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The show honestly could have just stopped after season 1. For all the work they did to create an entire mythos, world, and characters, which, in my opinion, the final season undid, we got the same exact ending we did in 2016. The only difference is that the kids are older now.
What the hell was the point?
Oh, right, money and fame.
he's been listening to "good luck, babe" for three hours now
REALLY proud of this animation, this idea has been stuck in my head since the vol 2
AND the point of this gif is that you can make him listen to any song you want (internalised homophobia playlist)
so ass all the gang is here :)
why do people think I was joking when I said I'm not forgiving them in any case lmao they can even put out 30 secret byler episodes and it wouldn't change shit 😂
People being pissed off that I'm wishing death on the writers are so funny, I'm not even sending them direct harassment unfortunately and as far as I know I don't have the power to kill people with my mind, if they didn't queerbait for money and/or put out a massive operation of mass gaslighting I wouldn't be forced to wish them the worst on this earth but they decided to purposefully hurt not only my community but also many others that I support so that's what they'll get, they're never going to be more moral than I am based on the FACT that they are capitalists sellouts so you can spare your attempts to make me feel guilty for it because I do not 🤗
Yeah, it's fine if I think and wish that someone should die because I'm not actually hurting anyone and they did FAR worse to young people while being 40 years old, hope this helps 🫶
See you never again because I'm blocking your ass now 😘

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the only true finale to me
I was talking to my mom about the finale, and she said to me "I can't believe they sent Will to Milwaukee in the Dahmer era". And so I had to go back and rewatch Mike's epilogue for Will myself.
Sure enough:
Vallaki, with the same syllable stresses as Milwaukee. I can see why the two sounded interchangeable to someone who doesn't know anything about DnD.
However, I looked a little closer at the scenery in the bar:
That's 100% the Pabst logo.
From what I can tell, they fucking sent Will Byers to Milwaukee circa 1990-1991, when Jeffrey Dahmer was most active.
And on top of this (which is news to me, because I'm not a true crime girlie):
Lionel (Lonnie..?) and Joyce? Really?
What kind of sick joke is this 🙃
(Not to mention Vallaki literally being the Enforced Happiness Tyranny City that's prone to cult takeovers...now why is that...why is Will being sent to the DnD near-equivalent of ST's Camazotz...Literally for what reason...)
Yeah, my sister also mentioned this
Oh my fucking god... Will went through everything in Stranger Things canon just to be gift wrapped by the Duffers and placed in Dahmer's lap.
I feel sick. This is insane. This is homophobia to the sickest degree.
GA members taking the finale as byler endgame… what the hell, sure
When the queerbait is so insanely nonsensical and so deeply woven into every detail of the show and narrative that even the GA got baited with us. Hell, even the fucking actor (Noah) did!
Duffers calling the Byler community noise or whatever and saying they have to block it out when they were perfectly fine doing fan service for the general audience like: not killing off El in the first season, Steve’s redemption arc, Jopper, Mike and Eleven kiss in s2.. but yeah the community who was picking up on hints and are the community of best theorists in your fandom are “noise”……. Noticing a pattern here… and they’re claiming that bylers are the bigger part of the community when everyone was calling us delusional during seasons 1-3 and when did more people believe that the pairing had a chance? Oh right! Season 4! The same season 4 that explored Will’s feelings for Mike that apparently served the story no purpose other than furthering Mike and El……. I see………………. And only now are they addressing this?…… I see, I see….
also having two middle school children kiss as fan service is nasty to me.
Pretty sure it was Millie who asked them for that scene in s2 cause she felt like that’s what the fans would want, but the fact that they kept that in (fanservice) but say all these things about byler is pissing me off
ohhh i see thats valid. but my point stands that milevens always say mike and el were in love in s1-2 but they werent even in high school yet like dpmo 💔 and also el was still fresh out of the lab where she spent her whole life
You get it. Never been a fan of mileven cause El knew like what? 15 words max when he kissed her and their relationship never evolved into anything redeemable, like why are we defending or labeling this “love”
EXAAAACTLYYYY BRO
I’m sorry but all these plot holes in Stranger Things 5 were insane. They said the finale would answer all the questions but not only did it barely answer anything, it just created dozens more
Also RIP to all those pregnant women in the lab who were literally blown up

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Not only is byler bones but they made Will sympathize with his abuser and rapist
Like I’m actually dead this is not my timeline someone pls tell me this is not real like pls nooooo
We got genuinely queerbaited Mileven was written like ass on purpose bc their whole plan since season 2 was ALWAYS El dying?
Mike, Will, and El all deserved better than this. What was literally the point of this?
"no one guessed the ending" My ass we ALL saw this. Even the people Henry Creel blinded.