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korean jikookers are going crazy because of what jungkook said to jimin when jimin was being flirty with him. they're saying they can't explain but apparently the "you're ridiculous" translation isn't accurate enough? can you try to explain it better for us please 💘

Hi!! I'm really glad I've been getting asks about this moment because it was one of my favorites. What Jungkook says to Jimin is "별꼴이야" which can translate to "you're ridiculous", imo, but what makes it hard to translate is that this 'ridiculous' has to be delivered in a very specific tone to convey the meaning of 별꼴. Again and again, I keep finding that the show's subtitles aren't wrong, but they can't convey the subtleties in Jikook's interactions. (This isn't to blame the translator, it's a common ocurrence with subtitles due to their concise nature!)

별꼴 is an unexpected, bizarre thing. One of my favorite examples to describe the feeling of this word comes from this dictionary:

가:저 사람 봐! 이 추운 겨울에 반소매 티셔츠에 반바지만 입고 있어.  look at that person! They're wearing a short-sleeve T-shirt in the middle of this cold winter. 나:정말 별꼴이다 They're really crazy/that's ridiculous/what a weirdo, seriously

As you can see, there are many ways to translate it, but they all convey that same meaning of 'you're being weird/ridiculous.'

Now, Jikook. To nobody's surprise, they're flirting. I think Jimin is pretending they're at a bar and he's paid for JK's drink to get his attention/flirt with him. So he's faking to be the stranger that paid his drink and waves at him coily from the other end of the bar (what's up with these guys and roleplaying...) Then, JK says 'you're being ridiculous' with a huge grin on his face.

What I think is making K-Jjkers crazy is that this response is heavily flirty as well. It can be used when couples or someone is being too cheesy or 'cringy'. JK's response is giving 'don't say such nonsense *blushes, smiles, twirls hair*'. He's flustered. Jimin fakes offense to his comment by turning around, and they break into giggles. You see what I mean? he's not really calling him ridiculous at all.

As Jikookers, we've seen this sentence used in the same way once before. Remember "my favorite thing these days is, hmm... waking up and seeing Jungkookie?" and Tae's response, "BOOO that's nonsense!" He said the same thing, 별꼴이야. It can be used when couples or someone is being too cheesy or 'cringy'.

In sum, Jikook be jikooking, anon.

It’s so validating to know we weren’t being delulu about their Tokyo trip!

Let nobody ever convince you that these two don’t have the deepest bond. The way they just understand and get each other is so beautiful

And the INSIDE JOKES….they have a ton of that. The way Jimin starts something and Jungkook immediately understands what he is doing ohhhh! The way in every new location we have Jimin being obsessed with another one of Jk’s songs. In NY it was Seven, in Jeju it was 3D (peuriri) and now in Sapporo it is Standing Next To You. They are honestly so adorable.

I love the way Jungkook couldn’t stop talking about how happy he was, I love the way he said he wanted to come back to Tokyo to relive the beautiful memories they had last time on their first trip together. I love the way Jungkook couldn’t stop talking excitedly about their military service and most importantly I love how happy and content they seemed around each other. Their little kdrama moment on the train was so beautiful and I really wish we saw Jungkook’s face when he leaned on Jimin’s shoulder🥹

When anyone tries telling you that enlisting with Jimin wasn’t Jungkook’s first choice, show them this……

JK making it clear for the umpteenth time that this is a Jikook show has to be one of my favourite things 😂😂😂

Also, I feel like people are not giving this moment the attention it deserves. It needs to be added to the list guys 😂

(Thanks @chicknbunny13 )

And you thought I'm that rational person? Funny.

You know, there's something I always disliked about being in this fandom space. I mean, there's plenty of other things, don't get me wrong, but this one in particular really irks me. It's the need for approval, for confirmation of one's thoughts. There's a severe lack of independent thought. It might be hidden under apparent strong opinions, but when you look at how those opinions are spread to anon messaging to bloggers everyday, that's a sign that the complete opposite happens.

Jikook as a kpop ship always has to be questioned. At this point, I think it's part of its narrative as a ship. But what's curious (and stupid) is that the hardest line of questioning comes from the ones who consider themselves interested/curious. But make no mistake, this is not done for the sake of not becoming delusional and discard any rational thought. It happens because of the need for approval.

You sent me this ask because you hope for me to agree with your own thoughts about jikook and what that conversation in the car means. Not for them actually, but for you. And you're not the only person. A sure sign of fandom insanity is debating for over 2 weeks now a conversation that is not only heavily editated, it is mediated as well. It takes place in the context of a show for fans in which participants are two people who will never reveal everything about their lives. And on top of that, there's an intentional need to ignore that people can speak in hyperbole, that people can ommit or say one thing that actually means more or another that only the other person is capable of understanding the nuances of that.

Communication is complex. We do know that because we engage with it everyday. Except we forget all that the moment we have to talk about this specific ship. We forget a lot of things about human behavior, relationships, etc. It is an intentional act. So we start writing fanfictions. We start making relationship timelines. We start taking about temporary or definitive break ups of a ship that hasn't even been confirmed as a couple. At this point, shippers operate into this alternative universe sphere, canon adjacent but instead of doing it on ao3, they use their blogs and anon messages for that. But hey, fanfics on ao3 are a lot of the times the work of talented writers, while 500-1000 words essays on tumblr are simply a complete waste of time after the first paragraph.

Is this what you would consider a rational perspective? Or should I start writing down a timeline of all the times in which JM and JK have met in "Chapter 2" up until NY in July? (As if in reality their lives are actually separated that clearly, as if a break in band work completely defines their personal lives, jesus christ!). So, should I note down all the public events that they've been to? And to draw a conclusion from it to prove or disprove that the amount of times they've seen each other is reflective or not of what they said in the car when they left for their trip? Of course, we should ignore that there's an entire life outside of what we see.

And that's the thing, you know? We all supposedly agree that they actually share little of their lives with their fans, but practically? The fandom doesn't really give a shit. Because of the classic parasocial relationship we have developed that makes us believe we know everything there is to know.

What we are allowed to see and what we hear from whispers here and there should allow us to realize that no theory over a supposed relationship is better than the other. Believing they are just friends, that they have broken up, that they are fwb and so on is in no way more rational that believing they are together.

What does this mean? If none of us are wiser? It means we have a choice. Some are choosing to be losers or little bitches crying in anon asks about their "insecurities" over a ship. Some are choosing to look at this ship as a duo that includes two people who have really good chemistry and who match each other's freak.

Hi dear, I didn't have time too, but I saw from twt that Jm and Jk shared one bed so Taehyung didn't sleep on the mattress on the floor 🙂‍↕️

the show is only for them 🙏 amen

Hi dear, I didn't have time too, but I saw from twt that Jm and Jk shared one bed so Taehyung didn't sleep on the mattress on the floor 🙂‍↕️

Setting aside all discourse for a moment, I'm over-the-moon happy to see our boys relax, laugh, and eat well!