Ethically Omnivorous

then its futile and useless to even try

“kellire replied to your link “Netflix vegan hit ‘What the Health’…”

So have you found any reliable studies that point to a plant-based/vegan diet as healthy?

I guess it would depend on your definition of “healthy”?. You can’t really label certain diets like vegetarianism / veganism as healthy because it depends on the person. Someone that needs the protein provided only by meat obviously wouldn’t be healthy on a  vegetarian / vegan diet. ect.

Most of the few papers i’ve found have been more on some scientists arguing veganism /  vegetarianism being the way forward to save the environment. These papers don’t really have any experimental data but rely more on the previous research of other papers. And at the end of the day the scientists writing those papers were not experts in that specific field, and their paper didn’t sway me. Haven’t really found many (unbiased) ones that state plant-based diets are healthier than meat based diets.

There’s is a lot more papers however that state that reducing the consumption of red meats will be both healthier and more environmentally sound. Most people take this to mean “then cutting out all meat / plant only diets must be the best!” which is not what these papers are saying at all. 

Anyways enough of me rambling on. Here are some research papers: 

The impact of vegan diet on B-12 status in healthy omnivores: five-year prospective study - Now vegans need to take supplements for the animal products they’re not consuming. But there’s not been many studies on the long-term effects of these supplements but I did find this short-term five year study on B-12 supplements.

A vegan or vegetarian diet substantially alters the human colonic faecal microbiota

Possible effect of a vegan diet upon lung function and the cardiorespiratory response to submaximal exercise in healthy women.

Health effects of vegan diets

Maternal vegan diet causing a serious infantile neurological disorder due to vitamin B 12 deficiency

Comparison of nutritional quality of the vegan, vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian and omnivorous diet

The low-AGE content of low-fat vegan diets could benefit diabetics–though concurrent taurine supplementation may be needed

There’s a lot more papers on the nutrition benefits and negatives of plant-based / vegan diets, just like any other diet. 

sentient is defined as being able to perceive or “to feel.” New scientific research shows that plants may be sentient and, based on the scientific evidence and my own knowledge of plants, I believe they are too. 

Here are a couple scientific articles: 

Calvo P, Sahi V, Trewavas A 2017, ‘Are plants sentient?’, Plant Cell and Environment, vol.40, no.11, pp.2858-2869; DOI: 10.1111/pce.13065

Scialdone A, Mugford S, Feike D, Skeffington A, Borrill P, Graf A, Smith A, Howard M 2013, ‘Arabidopsis plants perform arithmetic division to prevent starvation at night’, Plant Biology, DOI: 10.7554/eLife.00669

Vegans: IMPOSSIBLE! They just want PROFIT!!

Majority of them are absolutely horrid people. They know nothing about agriculture or animal welfare yet think themselves experts. All while treating actual experts eg. scientists and farmers like idiots and garbage. They hurt actual welfare efforts and the animals they claim to care about, harbour alot of racism + ableism, are outright violent and are some of the worst people I’ve had the displeasure of being around. 

Only 1.9% of total U.S. Greenhouse Gas emissions come from cattle! Eliminating or reducing cattle in this country would not only have a MINIMAL impact on cutting emissions, it would remove one of the most nutrient dense foods we eat (beef) and lower the sustainability and health of our pastures and farm land. Farmers should continue to work to minimize their cattle’s impact on the environment, but the good of cattle far outweighs the bad and it doesn’t make sense to eliminate them!

Beef cattle build soil health through grazing and spreading of manure. They allow farmers to grow food for people during the winter. They convert poor forage due to drought into high quality food. They take millions and millions of acres in this country that could not grow food and convert the grass into high quality food. They also improve all of these acres by grazing them and putting nutrients back in the soil. Beef provides many essential nutrients in a diet and is a cheap, healthy, great tasting protein!

highlight quotes;

“… she returned to eating meat after learning that the soybean and corn monocultures that accounted for much of her vegan diet were wreaking havoc on the environment.“

“When we first opened, people were surprised at the prices,” he said. “But our costs are much higher than what a giant company pays. We are paying to have control over the quality of our animals, what they are being fed, how they are being treated, transported, slaughtered and cut up. Once people understood that, the business took off.”

“As soon as I started eating meat, my health improved,” she said. “My mental acuity stepped up, I lost weight, my acne cleared up, my hair got better. I felt like a fog lifted.”

“You can’t be healthy unless the animals you eat are healthy,”

Instead of trying to poise this as “haha vegans look even y’all can’t do it” express it for what it truly is.

ara bingo since aras keep posting the same dumb bullshit 24/7