Fascinating deconstruction of the modern radical vegan animal rights movement.

The guest speaker does an excellent job of explaining how a lot of the more extremist views on animal "rights" are fundamentally anti-nature. The political leaders of the movement are proselytizing about a sci-fi future (in a similarly fanatical tone to the way radical ai evangelists talk about Roko's Basilisk) in which animal predation will not exist, where even predators like wolves and bears and sharks will have new rules imposed upon their behavior and/or genetics by human technology to prevent them from causing or experiencing suffering.

The speaker also does a beautiful job of explaining just how much the modern urban lifestyle of the average radical vegan animal rights activist is dependent on the animal control practices they want to ban. It is objectively impossible for a big city to function without pest and vermin control. They also ignore the logistical practicality that if fur trappers can no longer trap the animals on their land to survive, they will have no choice but to convert their land into farmland to survive, thereby destroying the ecosystem of the animals whose fur they used to trap.

TL&DR if these people actually cared in any practical sense about ecology and sustainability they'd be trying to pass laws targeting Big Oil/Plastic, not trying to pass laws targeting destitute rural trappers. They'd be pressuring online marketplaces to ban dropshippers, not vintage fur sellers.

I do think it would be sort of morbidly funny if this ban started a new counterfeiting boom.

Im not a hater of vegans, cus just like any group of people they are varied and not a monolith, but whenever i see comments like this I understand the blood boiling rage i often see people spout about vegans.

What do you mean your DECISION to CHOOSE to live a certain way causes "higher prejudice" than "other minorities".

When EVER has a vegan been killed because they were a vegan .... Be actually for real. Comparing minorities always ends in the "who has it worse olympics", but this is utterly ridiculous.

Once it became common knowledge that pleather is plastic (which means it sheds microplastics every time it gets wet) vegans started a misinformation campaign I still see today: “leather” cows and “meat” cows are separate cows (they cannot tell you where these mysterious “leather” cows live if asked). Therefore, buying leather wasn’t actually sustainable and using up the whole cow at all. For the record: they are not separate cows. Buying leather is using up the whole cow, as it always has been, and because of this misinformation the leather from “meat” cows is being thrown into the landfills, since no one is buying it.

Plus, let’s not forget the recent vegan harassment campaign of museum goers and chicken restaurant enjoyers…

Anyway, not a huge fan of Gen Z trying to rewrite history about ecoterrorists and blame companies for the rise of plastic clothing. There was a gassroots misinformation campaign designed to shame anyone wearing anything animal-derived (including wool). In places with any non-tropical weather at all, the only replacement for animal-derived clothing is… plastic.

(Personal note: in the last three years, when I informed someone of this, I had a vegan tell me that everyone in cold climates should drop dead. Unironically. And then people in the same comment thread were telling me vegans never harass non-vegans.)

The current vegan misinformation campaign is (and I’m sure once this becomes common knowledge they’ll blame it on “bad marketing” and not themselves again) there is ANY form of vegan leather that isn’t plastic. Every vegan leather (cactus, pineapple, other fruit, mushroom) is more than 50% plastic because otherwise the material would collapse in on itself. So its plants encased in polyester, basically.