On the eclipse, the cycle will start anew.

Since I am now a part of the collective, this blog will hopefully be more active. We have decided that this will be a mix blog. Partially roleplay, partially a normal headmate blog.

I don’t front much, but the others will try to bring me to front if there are any asks, interactions, etcetera.

Thank you.

Syscourse in asks will be blocked unless an interaction was accepted and requested by us.

Roleplay tag: #the eclipse draws near

Non-roleplay posts: #eclipsed one speaks

All reblogs of others: #an eclipsed sight

All asks: #seekers of the huntress

Other headmates posting: #huntress' helpers

cheers!!! -reaper

Also, so traumagenic systems pretty much just took over some of the terms for Endogenic systems?

hi, host here since ecli's not in front

i think its really important to know of a few things.

one, is that fakers are by far an extremely small minority in the plural and system community, so really no one should be worrying over them too much. yes, they may exist, but they aren't even a medium sized group. they're a very small portion.

two, is that majority of this already small population of fakers aren't in it to do stuff like the example given. most of the time, they simply have other mental issues that also need resolving, and they're coping with those issues by faking something else.

three, is that even if someone who is faking is giving the community bad rep, they will get clapped back at by the community, faking or not. although, if it is discovered they're faking, the hits on them will be harder.

as for the taking over of some terms, yeah that's what happened as far as we're aware. it's a bit annoying that anti-endos use the plurality tags when—in its current state—it is by default an inclusive tag (meaning it's inclusive of all plurality, traumagenic and endogenic + inbetween), but all we can/should really do is block and move on.

sorry ab the em dash jumpscare i feel like it both fits there and doesnt but i dont wanna use even more commas there /silly

like, so much of this syscourse would be gone if used a different term to differentiate the trauma side of systems and the non-trauma side of systems

Actually, maybe some parts of syscouse is formed because of using similar terms. Then there’s also those systems who are like purposely doing this because they’re ableist but we don’t talk about them

and don’t worry about taking a while to respond, we actually just got back from therapy, so happy fuzzy brain right now

People have tried that, with the term plurality. It was meant for endogenic plurals/systems primarily, as far as we are aware. Yet, syscourse still follows. As far as we know, the main argument is that in general, plurality and multiplicity physically cannot exist without trauma, which is simply untrue. Even if every endogenic were somehow able to fully switch to using different terms, they would still get hate and syscourse would still continue. The issue isn't the terms. The best that we are capable of as of now in terms of different terms is using the origin labels, either -genic terms or the types of plurality shown in the Emmengard's Plural Rings page on Pluralpedia. (Underlined sections are links.) Even then, there are mixed-origins systems who are both traumagenic and endogenic, where would they fit in with the divide?

Also, we don't know what you mean by "Then there’s also those systems who are like purposely doing this because they’re ableist"? We don't quite understand what you mean.

I just wanted to correct the Anon on a few things, if you don't mind. While the general point is accurate, there was a bit of misinformation about the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and the Grey Faction.

The false memory syndrome foundation was founded by two parents who were accused of abusing their adult daughter when she was a kid. The parents invented their false memory syndrome and used it to defend themselves and other parents who were accused of abuse. You may know their daughter, Jennifer Freyd, as the psychologist who invented DARVO theory, describing how abusers will try to deny and blame the victims.

This group did terrible damage to the legitimacy of dissociative identity disorder, and trauma therapy in general, back in the '90s.

The Grey Faction is connected to the FMSF only insofar as using the "research" conducted by them as their main sources. But I am not aware of any connection in terms of leadership of the groups, and the two existed independently for a little while until the FMSF shut down.

The Grey Faction are actually an offshoot of the Satanic Temple.

And I would argue that the motives of both groups are different, even if they are doing the same thing. The FMSF was founded by parents who were accused of abuse to protect other parents accused of abuse.

The Grey Faction, from what I've seen, exists to rehabilitate the image of Satanists by discrediting accusations of satanic ritual abuse. They want to show that satanists are the victims of a conspiracy by doctors to plant false memories in the heads of their patients, and malign Satanism.

I think it would be more accurate to say that the Grey Faction is more of a spiritual successor than a true offshoot.

Hope that helped clear some things up!

Apologies, Reaper thought it was a good idea. -Eclipse

and wouldn’t that also mean that that you willingly split? Meaning you wanted to have multiple states of consciousness(which is really stressful to have)????

and genuinely thank you so much for not exploding into anger when I try to understand your point of view on this, I’ve had so many people get even more mad at me when I was trying to tone it down and explain myself

CDDs such as DID virtually only ever are present in individuals with trauma. However, the state of having more than one part or person in your mind or body is something that doesn't necessarily require trauma. It is simply a symptom of something, which can appear on its own.

Think of it like this: if someone gets distracted, that doesn't necessarily mean they have ADHD. Although it may be a different disorder, it may also just present on its own.

And sometimes we willingly split, sometimes our splits are unintentional and unwanted. Though, we have found that it has helped us a lot more than it has caused us issues. It helped our host, Reaper, stop self-harming. It can be stressful, yes, but we find that we work together a lot more than we have internal arguments. It is much more of a positive experience for us, though we understand not all plurals and systems have a positive experience with their plurality/systemhood.

For us, it is a coping mechanism. Reaper performed willomancy because of several things they needed help coping with, and they are now better in most of those areas.

Also, apologies for the slight outburst we had earlier, Reaper is always at least co-conscious and often influences the fronter(s). They took the first ask as a slight threat to us, and the feeling spread to me. That's our bad. Also, we're sorry that others get more mad at you, you do seem to just want to understand.

The first example that comes to mind for me is the Grey Faction article that brings up endogenic systems and argues (since a system that doesn’t know of any trauma they have could potentially just be endogenic) that trauma therapy should be avoided for DID because “that would prevent therapists from implanting false trauma memories”.

The Grey Faction is a direct offshoot of the FMSF (the group that finally collapsed thankfully, but was founded by a child molester to defend other child molesters by accusing their adult children speaking out of having faked the entire thing). They do not believe in dissociative amnesia or in the idea of recovering memories of childhood trauma, period. They don’t believe systems can be formed from trauma, period. They don’t actually care about endogenic systems or actually want therapists educated on endogenic systemhood. They are just using them as a convenient scapegoat to push the same beliefs they’ve always pushed. Groups with these beliefs date back long before there were thriving and visible endogenic and willogenic communities. They don’t believe what they believe because they care about endogenics, they just want to obstruct trauma survivors. And there’s probably nothing making them happier than knowing you’re mad at the endogenics instead of being mad at them.

Wow, that was long. Anyway, there are people bringing up endogenics to make life harder for CDDs. They do exist. They also don’t believe what they believe because of endogenics. Endogenics are just the scapegoat. And yelling at pro-endos on the internet isn’t an effective way to fight against them.

hi sorry host here interrupting eclipse’s posting but holyfuck… people are fuckin asses 🥹🥹🥹🥹 -scythe/reaper