drunkbrina

happy pride! to kick off the month, here’s fem will in a dress!

mamma mia armand pregnancy is everything!!

obviously he had regular unprotected sex with louis previous to the reveal, because who needs to talk about their failing marriage when you can just fuck nasty bondage discipline sadism masochism style instead? and who needs a condom when you're dead and married.

then he made the impulsive decision to fuck daniel. right there in the rubble, on the floor where he had landed after louis threw him against the wall. it was intense and painful, they were both snarling and pinching and gripping and it ended with armand's fangs in daniel's neck, turning the boy.

armand leaves daniel, freshly turned, on the floor and flees. he runs as far as he can, and eventually finds himself in new orleans. he's not sure what pulled him there, maybe chasing after louis. but he does not find louis. after the initial hurricane reunion he still needed space and left. who armand does find is lestat. and they tumble into bed together in hopes of finding louis in each other.

all of this happening in a matter of a week. and by the time he realised that he fucked up it's too late. he's miserable and pregnant and so desperately alone. maybeee he could seek out rashid, because i always crave real rashid and armand content. or fareed. probably also a good option here. either way, he isn't totally alone.

armand refuses to tell rashid anything while squatting heavily pregnant in his guest room, but rashid didn't get his job by being stupid so obviously he can piece together what happened. poor rashid has to singlehandedly keep a depressed armand and the unborn child alive while also shielding them from the talamasca, because he cares for armand.

eventually the child is born. a beautiful little daughter. rashid becomes uncle rashid, obviously.

well eventually uncle rashid uses the talamasca resources to call louis de pointe to du lac, lestat de lioncourt, and daniel molloy over to his little rundown apartment, making sure armand has no place to run. he takes the sweet little girl into the next room while letting armand explain.

i'm diabolicule-pilled so they don't even try to figure out who's kid it is. they're just all pissed at armand for not reaching out to them and letting them help him and armand is so teary-eyed and sunken in on himself because he thought they all hated him (they do. but unfortunately that does not erase the love they hold for him)

Because there is actually a philosophical and intellectual debate that can be held here.

Bottoming is scary for closeted guys (especially in late 80s early 90s) because of toxic masculinity standards, meaning they might think it's emasculating. BUT! There is also a trill factor of doing something that you would never imagine yourself doing.

So my verdict: Mike would’ve explored 😏

Bottoming wasnt just scary because of toxic masculinity.

It was like actually life-threatening.

Its the 80s/90s- aids is still very much a death sentence until like 1996. Because of how aids works, bottoming was inherently more risky.

Which i would argue Mike "must protect everyone at the cost of myself" would make him more likely to bottom if they risked anal sex (which I honestly dont think Will would be too down for at first- risking Mikes life for something like that anyway- he'd need quite a bit of convincing and preventative prepartion to consent.)

Like, many doctors didnt do sti testing for gay men, or even just that disease cause it was "the gay one"; insurance wouldnt cover same-sex partners. (Never mind that heterosexuals were really on an uptick in anal sex during this same time period, or that Black women were another extrmely effected population ).

People were dying constantly. There wasnt a week that someone didnt die until like 1998 in major gay areas like SF.

And even when condoms became widespread- they could still break (and HIV isnt just a still so even safe clean partners could still get it from other means).

And yeah, I dont think there is anything wrong with thought experiments about how the characters may have responded to an event that is placed in the background of their show.

The post was about top/bottom discourse for byler, so i did provide an extrapolation of behavior within that context. As for the bottom mike part, I didnt consider that sentence a big part of the post, which is why I put it in small print. I considered it more of an aside that addressed the original topic of OP's post.

I admit though, most of adding that small tidbit was annoyance at people always saying that only tops are protective, so this was a way for me to pinpoint that bottoming could be seen as protective as well.

I'll take the critique that this was an uncouth addition for the point I was making. Ill admit, that section came from a place of being annoyed at constantly seeing posts that bottoming parties can only be protected and that topping parties must be protectors, than considering that using aids to highlight this annoyance was a really shitty thing to do. So I am sorry for using a realword event in my pettiness. That was wrong of me.

However, my main point, was that bottoming in the 80s/90s wasnt just scary because of sexism but because of the aids crisis. Like statisitically people who bottomed were more likely to get sick. And i think that is important context to some of the mindset.

I wasnt ever making an argument: i was doing thought experiment with a fictional character on a post specifically exploring how Mike's sexual position preference could be affected by toxic attitudes on bottoming set during the 80/90s. So i was providing some real world context for fictional exploration/considerstion during such exploration. And also tagged on my thought experiment regarding the topic.

Since we all already agreed my thoughtlessness regarding said thought experiment was offensive, I dont see a need to discuss that further.

However, I have not been dishonest at any point, so I do want to address that accusation.

Stating that a person can contract hiv from more than just sex and still connecting that to hiv risk transfer during sex isnt dishonest or contradictory.

Because that is how hiv transmits: it can be transmitted multiple ways irregardless of how it was initally contracted. Which is why i pointed that out specifixally after you stated there wasnt a way to transmit hiv if parties were having monogomous sex. In the 80s/90s we didnt have access to things like PrEP, or even treatments. We only had condoms, which were very helpful in reducing risk but not 100%.

So like, for instance, a person could be monogomous with their partner(s) and everyone be without hiv infection. Then one partner could contract it from a source outside of sex, have sex with their monogomous partner(s), and pass it that way.

mamma mia armand pregnancy is everything!!

obviously he had regular unprotected sex with louis previous to the reveal, because who needs to talk about their failing marriage when you can just fuck nasty bondage discipline sadism masochism style instead? and who needs a condom when you're dead and married.

then he made the impulsive decision to fuck daniel. right there in the rubble, on the floor where he had landed after louis threw him against the wall. it was intense and painful, they were both snarling and pinching and gripping and it ended with armand's fangs in daniel's neck, turning the boy.

armand leaves daniel, freshly turned, on the floor and flees. he runs as far as he can, and eventually finds himself in new orleans. he's not sure what pulled him there, maybe chasing after louis. but he does not find louis. after the initial hurricane reunion he still needed space and left. who armand does find is lestat. and they tumble into bed together in hopes of finding louis in each other.

all of this happening in a matter of a week. and by the time he realised that he fucked up it's too late. he's miserable and pregnant and so desperately alone. maybeee he could seek out rashid, because i always crave real rashid and armand content. or fareed. probably also a good option here. either way, he isn't totally alone.

armand refuses to tell rashid anything while squatting heavily pregnant in his guest room, but rashid didn't get his job by being stupid so obviously he can piece together what happened. poor rashid has to singlehandedly keep a depressed armand and the unborn child alive while also shielding them from the talamasca, because he cares for armand.

eventually the child is born. a beautiful little daughter. rashid becomes uncle rashid, obviously.

well eventually uncle rashid uses the talamasca resources to call louis de pointe to du lac, lestat de lioncourt, and daniel molloy over to his little rundown apartment, making sure armand has no place to run. he takes the sweet little girl into the next room while letting armand explain.

i'm diabolicule-pilled so they don't even try to figure out who's kid it is. they're just all pissed at armand for not reaching out to them and letting them help him and armand is so teary-eyed and sunken in on himself because he thought they all hated him (they do. but unfortunately that does not erase the love they hold for him)

Because there is actually a philosophical and intellectual debate that can be held here.

Bottoming is scary for closeted guys (especially in late 80s early 90s) because of toxic masculinity standards, meaning they might think it's emasculating. BUT! There is also a trill factor of doing something that you would never imagine yourself doing.

So my verdict: Mike would’ve explored 😏

Bottoming wasnt just scary because of toxic masculinity.

It was like actually life-threatening.

Its the 80s/90s- aids is still very much a death sentence until like 1996. Because of how aids works, bottoming was inherently more risky.

Which i would argue Mike "must protect everyone at the cost of myself" would make him more likely to bottom if they risked anal sex (which I honestly dont think Will would be too down for at first- risking Mikes life for something like that anyway- he'd need quite a bit of convincing and preventative prepartion to consent.)

Like, many doctors didnt do sti testing for gay men, or even just that disease cause it was "the gay one"; insurance wouldnt cover same-sex partners. (Never mind that heterosexuals were really on an uptick in anal sex during this same time period, or that Black women were another extrmely effected population ).

People were dying constantly. There wasnt a week that someone didnt die until like 1998 in major gay areas like SF.

And even when condoms became widespread- they could still break (and HIV isnt just a still so even safe clean partners could still get it from other means).

And yeah, I dont think there is anything wrong with thought experiments about how the characters may have responded to an event that is placed in the background of their show.

The post was about top/bottom discourse for byler, so i did provide an extrapolation of behavior within that context. As for the bottom mike part, I didnt consider that sentence a big part of the post, which is why I put it in small print. I considered it more of an aside that addressed the original topic of OP's post.

I admit though, most of adding that small tidbit was annoyance at people always saying that only tops are protective, so this was a way for me to pinpoint that bottoming could be seen as protective as well.

I'll take the critique that this was an uncouth addition for the point I was making. Ill admit, that section came from a place of being annoyed at constantly seeing posts that bottoming parties can only be protected and that topping parties must be protectors, than considering that using aids to highlight this annoyance was a really shitty thing to do. So I am sorry for using a realword event in my pettiness. That was wrong of me.

However, my main point, was that bottoming in the 80s/90s wasnt just scary because of sexism but because of the aids crisis. Like statisitically people who bottomed were more likely to get sick. And i think that is important context to some of the mindset.

Because there is actually a philosophical and intellectual debate that can be held here.

Bottoming is scary for closeted guys (especially in late 80s early 90s) because of toxic masculinity standards, meaning they might think it's emasculating. BUT! There is also a trill factor of doing something that you would never imagine yourself doing.

So my verdict: Mike would’ve explored 😏

Bottoming wasnt just scary because of toxic masculinity.

It was like actually life-threatening.

Its the 80s/90s- aids is still very much a death sentence until like 1996. Because of how aids works, bottoming was inherently more risky.

Which i would argue Mike "must protect everyone at the cost of myself" would make him more likely to bottom if they risked anal sex (which I honestly dont think Will would be too down for at first- risking Mikes life for something like that anyway- he'd need quite a bit of convincing and preventative prepartion to consent.)

Like, many doctors didnt do sti testing for gay men, or even just that disease cause it was "the gay one"; insurance wouldnt cover same-sex partners. (Never mind that heterosexuals were really on an uptick in anal sex during this same time period, or that Black women were another extrmely effected population ).

People were dying constantly. There wasnt a week that someone didnt die until like 1998 in major gay areas like SF.

And even when condoms became widespread- they could still break (and HIV isnt just a still so even safe clean partners could still get it from other means).

introducing.... my scooby-doo au! 💙💜🧡💚🤎

a loooong, long time coming and I'm so happy to be sharing these ideas that I've wanted to for ages! thank you to every friend who listened to me yap about this over time, you can now officially meet the party as the gang 🙊

(and before anyone says anything about who is who pls refer to this post where I've thought long and hard about this thank you 🥰🥰)

I like to think: mike comes up with the ideal plans, will makes the most out of what's around them, lucas figures out the bad guy's patterns which gives them an advantage, and dustin thinks of elements and solutions the others might miss!