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So, I've been thinkingāDarkners in Deltarune really remind me of Gems from Steven Universe. Both are beings created with a specific purpose, locked into roles theyāre not supposed to stray from. That parallel was too juicy to ignore, so naturally... AU time!
(Also, apologies in advance for the dog-crap quality of the images. They're just meant as examples for my thoughts.)
More under the cut!
I started with the Addisons and reimagined them as Azurites! Still figuring out what role Azurites would serve in Gem society, since Gems donāt really have an economy, Iām kind of winging it. Suggestions welcome! I do know theyād need to be clever and persuasive. Schemers, marketers, spin-doctors. That kind of vibe.
Hereās the lineup:
Pink Azurite ā Gem on left palm
Blue Azurite ā Gem on chest
Orange Azurite ā Gem on left eye
Yellow Azurite ā Gem on chest
All four wear Blue Diamondās insignia. In this AU, Queen takes on Blue Diamondās role, though I havenāt fleshed out her backstory just yet.
Then there's...
White Azurite (aka Spamton)
Gem on chest
Used to belong to Blue Diamondās court
Defected to Red Diamondās court in pursuit of his dream to become a BIG SHOT
Naturally, Blue Diamond did not take this well. She had White Azurite cracked and labeled as an Off-Color, an example of what happens when you step out of line.
Now heās unstable, physically and mentally. Canāt maintain a standard form, which is why he's so short. But that dream never died. He doesnāt just want freedom anymore, he wants evolution. He wants to be bigger. Better. NEO.
Thatās all Iāve got for now, but thereās definitely more coming. Stay tuned!!!
āI am aware that this request is fundamentally selfish. I can offer no justification for it, no argument in its favor. It is simply the outcome I desire to see the most.ā
Clint in the vents and thatās his whole personality because he wasnāt fleshed out in the movies ā Ava in the walls and thatās her whole personality because she wasnāt fleshed out in the movies
Thor eating poptarts and overusing proper words because English isnāt his first language and heās the comedic relief ā Alexei eating Wheaties and overusing proper words because English isnāt his first language and heās the comedic relief
Natasha pranking and laughing at everyone from the sidelines because fanon decided sheās just silly like that ā Yelena pranking and laughing at everyone from the sidelines because canon decided sheās just silly like that
Bruce being a sweet, soft-spoken, unassuming guy but also the most fucking unhinged monstrosity if you catch him on a bad day ā Bob being a sweet, soft-spoken, unassuming guy but also the most fucking unhinged monstrosity if you catch him on a sad day
Steve being handed the de facto title of goody two shoes leader despite being the LAST person on board with this ā Bucky being handed the de facto title of goody two shoes leader despite being the last person on board with this
Tony being a big-mouthed asshole thatās secretly haunted by his past mistakes which involved publicly supporting the US military via PR stunts as a weapons manufacturer ā John being a big-mouthed asshole thatās secretly haunted by his past mistakes which involved publicly supporting the US military via PR stunts as a weapon himself
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My God Tier HCs for the Omega Kids! I'm a huge believer that the kids' God Tiers will be the Classes + Aspects we haven't seen in yet.
Harry is a Bard of Doom: I feel like at this stage in the story, he's "ghosting" Life, and later on (probably when they enter SBURB proper, he's going to "snap" into Doom mode (just like Gamzee and Hope/Rage).
Tavvy is a Mage of Blood: I get the sense that Tavvy's going to be the unofficial leader of this session, much like Roxy was the unofficial leader of the Alpha kids. I gave him angry eyebrows because bro's been through a LOT.
Vrissy is a Thief of Mind: I'm like 89% certain we have confirmation Vrissy is a Mind player who does the Mind-y thing, but I could be mistaken. This just feels right.
Yiffy is a Sylph of Rage: Yiffy is a Rage player if I ever saw one. I'm more iffy (pun intended) about the Sylph class, but something about "inviting healing through Rage" sounds about right in regards to Yiffy. Part of me also loves the irony of them sharing a Class with Kanaya, of all people.
(I'm also a huge nerd regarding shoe colors, so here's my through process behind them: Harry, Tavvy, and Vrissy's shoes echo each other's classes because they're so interconnected. Meanwhile, Yiffy, the odd-one-out of the group, shares a shoe colour with themself.)
Why are all of John's friends trying to gaslight him constantly? He was proven right about Candy and yet they all still treat him like he's nuts. Especially Jade.
But John ISN'T right. The Candy timeline being a "funhouse reflection" doesn't justify his proposed assertions and actions. I went into deep detail about that in my liveblog post, person by person. Just about all of the adults are wrong in important ways (besides Karkat), and are proving themselves wrong in that very conversation-- but John is the MOST wrong, the furthest from the point of this story, the most obviously suffering from his shortcomings as a person.
You get the sense you may have missed something.
This line, as everyone is standing over him, isn't just a joke about what's going on behind them all... as I covered in my liveblog post, it's a key statement about the core mistake John is making. About how ever since he arrived on Earth C, he's been looking for "true meaning" everywhere outside himself when it has to come from within.
ROXY: john did you listen to a single fucking thing i said to you
JOHN: yes!
JOHN: like, okay, you were right.
JOHN: this place IS real.
In their argument in this update, Roxy and John alluded to their home conversation toward the end of the Candy Epilogues, when John was trying to insist that everyone's actions made no sense and that this timeline didn't mean anything... and Roxy dismantled his assertions. That just because the Candy Timeline was so strange and intentionally read at first like poor fanfiction -- likely because it was born from CALLIOPE'S fanfiction, the Meat version of Callie wearing the Ring of Life who is constantly said both in the Epilogues and Homestuck^2 to have been drawing events on her walls that sound suspiciously like the events of Candy -- that doesn't mean the Candy story, that a noncanon fanfic, isn't real or doesn't matter. Just because some of the events seemed absurd from John's point of view, OUR point of view, didn't mean they didn't have underlying reasons... right down to Yiffy's name as we discovered in this update from Karkat's insight that Jade was naming and treating Yiffany like the child she imagined she'd have had with Dave without his involvement. Just because it's not the "original author's" method of characterization doesn't mean that fan characterizations hold no worth, that fan stories hold no value.
John is right that all the former heroes in the Candy Timeline (besides maybe Karkat) have made a great many HORRIBLE decisions, giving in to their insecurities and neuroses and past trauma. But his solution is to ditch all the consequences of their "fanfic" story, consign it to the trash bin, and instead pursue "relevance" as if a new adventure, as if something more "Canon", would would be best for everyone... mainly himself. That allowing fanfics to be real, or making a difference in their own world despite their flaws, is "too much freedom".
JADE: john... this is what i mean.
JADE: you have no idea what it is you actually want, do you?
JADE: being happy to you is just chasing after whatever it is you dont already have.
JADE: and we know how that always turns out.
JOHN: what does THAT mean?
JADE: it means, john, that you're going to drag harry along on this big awful adventure and then, itll end!
JADE: and even assuming it ends well, he might get what, one good year with you?
JADE: maybe two?
JADE: until you get bored and angry and avoidant all over
JADE: john...
JADE: you cant actually believe everything will be fine if we just leave, right?
JADE: no matter where you go, john, youre still going to be... this.
JADE: i wish saving you WAS as easy as snapping our fingers and going off on some other adventure,
JADE: but well never be 13 again.
JADE: and... looking at you in that old outfit makes me nauseous.
JADE: you were right, a lot of the time i dont like it here, and i DEFINITELY dont like whats happened to us.
JADE: but its our own fault, and now its all we have left to work with.
Jade proved herself one of the "craziest" ones here in this update, with us seeing the real reason she chose a name as absurd and offhand-Dave-Strider-joke-like as Yiffany Longstocking, and in particular with the way she wants to CONTROL her child to live the life she THINKS is best for her from Jade's own experience, living a "normal" life vicariously through her, rather than letting Yiffy live the life she actually WANTS to live. She deserved Yiffy's final, parting "FUCK YOU!".
But the point she's making about John here is TRUE, and is even more important.
John has been constantly defining his self-worth by adventures outside himself, listless and depressed and UNCOMFORTABLE in his own being, thinking that happiness and fulfillment and satisfaction is something he has to go out and find on some sort of story quest. His time in Sburb was the only time the world around him was doing the heavy lifting of convincing him that he had meaning. But he was never comfortable JUST BEING HIMSELF. Never confident in BELIEVING in himself, by himself. Quests and chasing goals given to him were only ever temporary patches over his own insecurity, his feelings of wrongness in the very act of existing as the person he is.
"no matter where you go, john, youre still going to be... this."
"You get the sense you may have missed something."
John is so wrong, so horribly inconsiderate to everyone in this update, so insistent on the next dose of adventure even if it means consigning the entire timeline to the trash bin, because he is MISSING the key thing that would actually make him really, truly happy. Confident, fulfilled. Satisfied enough to live for OTHERS, like his child, more than just for himself.
Which is why the update ALSO gave him a GLIMPSE of what he was missing, what he needs to find INSIDE himself -- not outside -- in order to love himself.
And what he needs to find inside himself... is HER.
June Egbert would love herself enough to start truly living for herself and others. To believe in herself enough to show herself off so confidently in the stage's spotlight, to know she's a Hero beyond her prior inner doubts. The dead version of John in the Meat timeline seems likely to become her first, but the lesson is the same. John keeps trying to look for a way to "escape" his problems, causing all sorts of issues and insensitivity because he can't escape himself, and this is the true key to the self-acceptance he's been avoiding.
That's been the slow, steady, Andrew-blessed drumbeat that's been building in the background ever since the beginning of the Epilogues. It wasn't just a Toblerone wish, that was only the final excuse. Andrew had been talking obsessively with others about this repressed-transfem interpretation of John throughout Homestuck ever since fans brought up the idea before the Epilogues, before the Toblerone, and HS^2 and Beyond Canon's writers (and the Epilogue's cowriters) have all been standing with Andrew on this idea. The fact that Candy was so "weird" and non-canon was never what was actually making John "miserable" for so long. He's still projecting blame for his unhappiness onto that idea instead of seeing the truer way to be herself. It's been hinted at and reiterated throughout the new stories, and confirmed by its authors:
That's just the biggest key to JUNE'S issues, though, not everyone else's. From now on, all the heroes who were left behind in Candy -- possibly with help from those in the Meat Timeline who believe in them -- WILL SAVE the Candy Timeline from dissolving into the ether.
ROXY: john... i know things didnt work out the way you thought they would but we cant just up and fuck off????
ROXY: i feel it in my gut, we can save this place, we have to!
Together, they WILL prove the overarching theme that our drive to create fanon and fanfics and fan characters, that the wild and disagreeing interpretations on what could happen next (or what could have happened) that live on after the story in the reader's hearts, that the versions of these CHARACTERS that live on in our hearts, matter just as much or more as the grip of plot relevance and "canon" by a tyrannical author. That being trapped in a "story" necessarily tortures them for the sake of dramatic impact and that the characters deserve to be freed from its clutches. The overall message of the original "Homestuck" -- it's in the very NAME -- was that the heroes had to ESCAPE THE STORY to find true happiness instead of simply winning by its rules, by a tyrannical storycrafter like Lord English's rules. Homestuck's original ending was too strangely executed to spell out that lesson for most people. Homestuck's sequel is making that message EXPLICIT so none of us who stick around will miss it.
And Beyond Canon has been REALLY good at convincing me that they're going to pull that lesson off RIGHT. :D
Reading this made me realize you're totally right and I missed a LOT in my first time reading this update! John is only "right" when we look at it from our outside view - we want a story with stakes and danger and death and God Tiers, but that doesn't necessarily align with what the characters themselves want or need or should at all strive for. June Egbert, as a concept, represents that a little bit, I think - an idea that, externally, caused a lot of commotion in the Homestuck fandom but, internally, might be the ONLY right thing that John needs/wants to grow into.
I always understood why Calliope and Caliborn got to have the extra-special, never-before-seen, uber-powerful Master Classes, but I never loved it. To me, the two of them fit very nicely into pre-existing Classes (Rogue for Calliope and Prince for Caliborn) which echo their "prefered" humans (Roxy and Dirk, respectively.)
So I hereby present Rogue of Space Calliope and Prince of Time Caliborn, in some AU where they two of them manage to play a 2-player version of SBURB (hence the shared tooth.)
P.S.: I know the Rogue of Space's boots should be red, but I think it the green ones fit more nicely into the theme (plus, Vriska has red boots when she should have blue ones like Rose and Aranea, so deal w/ it :P)
Uhhhhhh some "Hivestuck" designs I made a zillion years ago for the beta+alpha kids! The beta's are based on their patron trolls, and the alphas are based on the patron trolls' dancestors!
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Should I make a post about my (100% fantastic and narratively satisfying) ideas for Homestuck^2 and the Epilogues?
Blatantly hypothetical question, I'm definitely going to do it.
Forgive my glaring lack of Tumblr conventions. I just want to establish, from the get-go, that I enjoyed the Homestuck Epilogues and I think the messiness of it really added to the experience, and NOTHING will make me forget the gasp I guspt when the words started turning orange on my own physical book I was holding with my own physical hands.
Anyways, I feel like Iām digressing. Letās get to the CANDY timeline.
First and foremost ā Jane Crocker. I never really loved Jane as a character, and Iām sorry to say, I think she got a lot more interesting after turning into a fascist. She was always Crockercorp at heart, so I feel like, albeit tragically, this turn of events was always a very real possibility for her.
However. HOWEVER!!!
Although I love (love) Roxy, Jane shouldāve been the one to land the final blow on )(er Imperious Condescension. Why, you ask? Well, because she shouldāve gotten Lord Englishās curse.
Now, thereās an argument to be made that, since Lord English is dead, so is his curse, and sure, I can see that. Thing isā¦ Thatās SO BORING. Make the curse eternal, and now you have a (even more) solid reason for Jane turning into a bitch! Sheās carrying on the ātorchā, so to speak, handed to her after killing the Condesce, which is turn, received it after killing the Handmaid.
So, as my first ruling for my perfect version of the Epilogues/Homestuck^2 ā either Roxy get the curse, given she was the one to kill the Condesce, OR the Condesce ISNāT actually dead and, via some shenanigans, Jane is the one that kills her. This could serve to turn fascist Jane into actual-comic-book-supervillain Jane which (maybe after losing her empire to her āfriendsā or something akin to that), razes Earth C, thus turning it into the desolate wasteland that will eventually server as the Cherubās home.
That's about it (for now) regarding Jane. Sorry for the long post. More await when I'm free from the shackles of academia (exam season TT_TT).
Okay so I can already tell I'm going to be obssessed with every single kid in this webcomic because this is this dumb idiot baby's first page and I'm already shaking and crying for his future within the game.
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