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to do so on here:

go here: https://www.tumblr.com/abuse

click “harm to minors” and then “drawn child sexual abuse”

link https://twosmolhurt.tumblr.com/

maybe link images of the two tweets in this post too, optional

I've kinda fallen off with Jas' art the last few months because the pairings they like don't really interest me, but they do not and have never produced CP. Child porn is a very serious and horrendous outcome of the abuse of REAL LIFE minors. As far as I know from following Jas for a year, they have never done anything to endanger a real minor.

Yes, they draw nsfw kinky art from shows like BNHA and Voltron, but the kink part of it seems to be what all of you are losing your shit over because I sure as fuck don't see you reporting every other blog to feature nsfw BakuDeku or Klance.

If you have an issue with the kink part of their drawing that is perfectly valid, but I can tell you from experience Jas has and, I assume always will, tag their art extensively so people who don't want to see it, can't. I block several of their tags myself.

even if you’re gay! even if you’re bi! asexual! whatever else! even if you’re dysphoric! lots of you are still fucking fujoshis!!

being a trans man doesn’t exempt you from having to analyze and put a stop to your own fetishizing behavior!!

Get off your high horse and let people ship what they want. If you can't, YOU'RE the one making TDP fandom like VLD, not the shippers.

This is coming from someone who doesn't even ship those two btw. I like the aesthetic, but only because it reminds me of-

Saw this on a post saying that Voltron only killed off gay characters and none got a happy ending (not linking it because I’m not starting a witch hunt)

a few things

1) I guess, Ulaz, Thace, Antok, Regris, Zarkon, Alfor, all the original paladins, the rebel soldier that saved Matt from prison, Rover, Tex, and all the people who had graves when pidge was searching for Matt, and all of the people whose names were written on a memorial wall were all killed off because they were gay. A whole mess of characters, named or not, have died in Voltron, both on and off screen. Don’t act like the only characters that were killed off are gay, you look pathetic

2) Adam was apart of the original post, and people need to get over the fact that he was a minor character. He had less screen time than almost everyone mentioned in part 1, but because he’s gay he had more of an impact on his death and that’s just sad. I get hoping that he had more screen time, but acting as if he was killed off just because he was gay, no. 

survivor is not a term that only the Most Pure and Most Worthy of abuse victims are allowed to use

So we all watched book 1. DELICIOUS. I, and many others, have fallen in love with this world and its characters and are excited to see where book 2 will take them. As a tdp veteran (pre-show days) I was a little worried that the fandom formed too quickly, and our fanon interpretations we based off very limited material would ruin the show when the characters weren’t like that. But luckily for us, they all seemed to match up pretty well to what we thought they would be and were, in my mind, even better. 

The tpd fandom hasn’t grown too much since book 1 dropped since the majority of us were already here before, so it hasn’t really exploded. Now there’s the constant issues of antis and anti-antis and all the discourse between the two on the rise. Luckily I haven’t experienced any REAL discourse since I’ve joined the fandom, but that will unfortunately change. 

My main account is a v/d account and I’m sure many others who are watching dragon prince and She-ra probably started off with a v/d account as well. If you haven’t, I envy you. And most of us chose to stan tdp and she-ra due to v/d disappointing many fans. Myself included. Tdp is so far pretty small compared to bigger fandoms (like v/d) that have been growing for years and are an integral part of tumblr culture at this point. Tdp is drama and discourse free. But I do not think this will last.

I’m sure most of you are familiar with anti-antis, sha/adins, fujoshis, etc. if you’ve been in a fandom (often animation or anime) before. There are LOT of sibling relationships in tdp so far (Ezran and Callum, Claudia and Soren, Amaya and her sister) so incest shippers will eventually arrive, please be prepared for that. Ex-v/d fans probably joined tdp and she-ra to get away from all that. But on the flip side, anti-antis/sha/lies are doing the exact same thing. They’re fed up with v/d and its fans and are moving to she-ra and tdp. And as more content comes and the fandom grows, more will appear. It’s unfortunately inevitable. 

So TO ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO FANDOMS/TDP AND SHE-RA ARE YOUR FIRST FANDOMS, I ask that for your safety that you talk to a mutual or me about these things. Double check before you say something or make a post that could possibly be offensive or inappropriate. Tdp is still small enough, and filled with ex-v/d fans that you could receive a lot of hate and backlash for something stupid. So please, pm someone you know or me (I’m happy to help anyone) if you’re unsure about something.

Now about shipping. I’ve already had some people who are new to the fandom that didn’t catch that age chart the official tdp sources posted so I’ve had some of them talk about the possibility of Soren/Callum as a ship. I’ve told them that Soren is 18 and Callum is a minor so it’s pedophilic and gross to ship (if you disagree, don’t fight me, just block). The only shippable characters are Callum, Rayla and Claudia. Them all being in the same age group. Soren is 18 and therefore not shippable with anyone so far. I’ve also luckily not encountered any shipping discourse so far, everyone seems content with their own ships and I’ve yet to encounter some discourse. This will obviously change as well as the fandom grows unfortunately. So PLEASE be considerate of peoples ships, respect them unless they are pedophilic/incestous/morally wrong/etc. obviously

So in conclusion to this mess:

1) Tdp will continue to grow and discourse is inevitable, be prepared

2) We can’t ignore that the majority of tdp fans are ex-v/d fans, so we need to be aware of this and not repeat the same mistakes that were made in that fandom

3) If you’re new to this fandom, double check posts you might think are risky by asking a mutual or me

4) We’ve seen a lot of sibling relationships, incest shipping is unfortunately inevitable, be aware of who you’re following/mutual with/or reblogging

OP writes that “the only shippable characters are Callum, Rayla and Claudia […] being in the same age group”, which has me convinced that OP is American. Even though the age of consent varies between states in the US, most Americans participating in tumblr discourse set it at 18 and thereby create a “shippable” mid-teens age group category which includes Callum, Rayla, and Claudia.

In most European countries, however, the age of consent is 16, which splits the American “shippable” group with Callum (14) and Rayla (15) below the age of consent and Claudia (16) above. By European moral standards, Callum/Claudia would be a morally questionable ship of the kind OP argues against (although, due to Romeo and Juliet laws, it would not be illegal in real life), whereas Claudia could technically be shipped with any adult character (maybe Gren?) without violating European laws of consent. Personally, as a European, I find a 14-year-old dating a 16-year-old (what OP suggests) much more problematic from a protect-the-children point of view than a 16-year-old dating an 18-year-old (although, these being fictional teenagers, y’know, ship whatever).

[Spoilers below this point]

Even more interesting, OP includes Claudia in the shippable group with Callum and Rayla even though Claudia is nominally a villain. She is a dark mage who uses what the show in-universe has established to be “evil” magic, and her mission, to steal back the dragon egg, is shown to be an evil act. It is not at this point possible to imagine a canon-compliant Callum/Claudia ship that is “healthy” or “morally right” in the way OP demands of fandom ships. Not only is there a power imbalance in that she is older and a more experienced mage using dark magic, but her brother and father are actively trying to kill Callum.

OP’s post highlights, once again, neo!fandom’s laserbeam focus on “shipping morality” to the complete exclusion of other, weightier questions of morality the show ought to inspire in its audience. It is a kids’ show that is surprisingly dark: it has parental death, violent threats and murder attempts on children, on-screen torture, and explicit animal cruelty. According to UN definitions, Rayla qualifies as a child soldier and Xadia is guilty of both war crimes and crimes against humanity by sending her into combat. The moonshadow elves’ mission to kill Ezran for his father’s actions would also be a war crime and a Human Rights violation, had it succeeded. There are potent references to real-life racism, sexism, and ableism, to name a few. The emergent fandom’s insistence on policing shipping to ensure only “morally right” ships is completely at odds with the canon’s very dark themes and numerous dysfunctional family relationships which are already carrying over into canonically dysfunctional romantic relationships (such as Callum’s crush on Claudia, which is not - by neo!fandom standards - mutual, balanced, or healthy).

Personally, as an adult and a darkfic writer, I came away from the first season with a very strong affinity for Harrow/Viren, which is absolutely a dysfunctional, unhealthy, unhappy relationship despite being, y’know, neither incestuous nor paedophilic (and no, Viren claiming that Harrow called him “brother” does not make the ship incestuous just as it doesn’t make Viren king. Seriously. Antis, do not.) Exploring the background for Harrow and Viren’s complicated, broken relationship would definitely be of interest to me despite (because of!) the fact that it’s not a “morally right” ship in any way.

Back in early discourse days, people would point out that anime characters who were being shipped together would be no issue in a Japanese context (where the stories were usually based) because their age of consent laws are different. This usually resulted in the anti side plugging their ears or firing back, “Just because it is legal does not make it moral!” Which, fair point. There are plenty of American laws that unfairly target minorities for incarceration. Just because those are the laws does not make them just. However, when American antis decide that American law is the only right and moral law it really rustles my jimmies because it stinks of a “Holier than thou” and leftover Imperialism mindset. imo.

On the topic of Claudia, you have probably witnessed anti’s famous goal-post movement. By their own standards, you are right, Claudia/Callum should be considered “abusive,” but  I suspect it is not being labeled as such because we have seen explicitly on screen Callum’s crush on Claudia BEFORE she was shown to be a potential villain to him. Therefore, the fans can interpret her morality to be pre-Sent-On-A-Mission-To-Kill-Two-Children. Mark my words, as soon as Claudia catches up to the trio and tries to harm any of them (except perhaps Rayla, again) the anti community will denounce the Claudia/Callum ship just as they have for several Voltron ships. 

I came away with the same impressions of Viren/Harrow as you. Aside from Callum’s crush on Claudia, there isn’t really any hints of romance on screen, but I would theorize that Viren and Harrow have a decent amount of unresolved tension, even if it is not UST.

But that leads me to my final point. I was showing this post to a friend because, like I said in my reply, I don’t feel comfortable with people putting themselves up as a moral epicenter of a fandom, especially in one that is a kids show like TDP.  He pointed out to me that OP DIDN’T mention any ships that involved only adults. There was no mention of Viren, Harrow, Gren, Amaya, Runaan ect. and adding Soren to this (by anti-logic since he’s 18). Their focus on the underage potential ships squicked him out a bit.

So we all watched book 1. DELICIOUS. I, and many others, have fallen in love with this world and its characters and are excited to see where book 2 will take them. As a tdp veteran (pre-show days) I was a little worried that the fandom formed too quickly, and our fanon interpretations we based off very limited material would ruin the show when the characters weren’t like that. But luckily for us, they all seemed to match up pretty well to what we thought they would be and were, in my mind, even better. 

The tpd fandom hasn’t grown too much since book 1 dropped since the majority of us were already here before, so it hasn’t really exploded. Now there’s the constant issues of antis and anti-antis and all the discourse between the two on the rise. Luckily I haven’t experienced any REAL discourse since I’ve joined the fandom, but that will unfortunately change. 

My main account is a v/d account and I’m sure many others who are watching dragon prince and She-ra probably started off with a v/d account as well. If you haven’t, I envy you. And most of us chose to stan tdp and she-ra due to v/d disappointing many fans. Myself included. Tdp is so far pretty small compared to bigger fandoms (like v/d) that have been growing for years and are an integral part of tumblr culture at this point. Tdp is drama and discourse free. But I do not think this will last.

I’m sure most of you are familiar with anti-antis, sha/adins, fujoshis, etc. if you’ve been in a fandom (often animation or anime) before. There are LOT of sibling relationships in tdp so far (Ezran and Callum, Claudia and Soren, Amaya and her sister) so incest shippers will eventually arrive, please be prepared for that. Ex-v/d fans probably joined tdp and she-ra to get away from all that. But on the flip side, anti-antis/sha/lies are doing the exact same thing. They’re fed up with v/d and its fans and are moving to she-ra and tdp. And as more content comes and the fandom grows, more will appear. It’s unfortunately inevitable. 

So TO ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO FANDOMS/TDP AND SHE-RA ARE YOUR FIRST FANDOMS, I ask that for your safety that you talk to a mutual or me about these things. Double check before you say something or make a post that could possibly be offensive or inappropriate. Tdp is still small enough, and filled with ex-v/d fans that you could receive a lot of hate and backlash for something stupid. So please, pm someone you know or me (I’m happy to help anyone) if you’re unsure about something.

Now about shipping. I’ve already had some people who are new to the fandom that didn’t catch that age chart the official tdp sources posted so I’ve had some of them talk about the possibility of Soren/Callum as a ship. I’ve told them that Soren is 18 and Callum is a minor so it’s pedophilic and gross to ship (if you disagree, don’t fight me, just block). The only shippable characters are Callum, Rayla and Claudia. Them all being in the same age group. Soren is 18 and therefore not shippable with anyone so far. I’ve also luckily not encountered any shipping discourse so far, everyone seems content with their own ships and I’ve yet to encounter some discourse. This will obviously change as well as the fandom grows unfortunately. So PLEASE be considerate of peoples ships, respect them unless they are pedophilic/incestous/morally wrong/etc. obviously

So in conclusion to this mess:

1) Tdp will continue to grow and discourse is inevitable, be prepared

2) We can’t ignore that the majority of tdp fans are ex-v/d fans, so we need to be aware of this and not repeat the same mistakes that were made in that fandom

3) If you’re new to this fandom, double check posts you might think are risky by asking a mutual or me

4) We’ve seen a lot of sibling relationships, incest shipping is unfortunately inevitable, be aware of who you’re following/mutual with/or reblogging

All of the problems in the Voltron fandom came from people like you treating fandom the same way certain kinds of Christians treat religion. As long as they go to church on Sunday and say the magic words you can be as mean and nasty to anyone else without consequence. The kind of Christian who will look at other Christians with hatred and disdain because they belong to a different denomination and practice the religion differently than you. And who think that what church(ship) you go to says more about your morality than your actions.

People who will not stay in their lanes, and like bully constantly feel like they need to tear down another person to feel better about themselves.

People who think your subjective feelings about XYZ equals objective fact and gives your the right to ride roughshod over anyone else’s feelings and experience. To emotionally manipulate people because you can’t be bothered to use the tools at your disposal to control your own experience. Nope you want to set yourself up as a fandom mom and control everyone else.

People who get so caught up in the plotlines and stories they want to see, and convince themselves it’s going to happen you turn on the creators for simply telling the story they way they want to. Claiming that they lied and betrayed you for failing to read into your mind and produced what you envisioned.

You claim you don’t want The Dragon Prince fandom to turn out like Voltron, than take a good long look at your attitude and behavior. Because you and authoritarians like you are the problem. Not people who like stuff you don’t.

You're not entirely wrong with your advice. I agree that young fandom members should think twice on what they should post, but only so they can protect themselves from the mob culture on Tumblr for innocent mistakes. Also, if you are truly concerned with young people in fandom, please encourage them not to share personal information on the Internet. That has been on the rise lately.

Also, you should absolutely NOT be assuming yourself to be put in a place of authority over young fandom people. You should NOT be giving the advice "talk to your mutuals or me." Encourage young people to develop and talk to a support system OUTSIDE of Tumblr. Encourage them to talk to their parents, family or a trusted adult if there is something they need advice on for their Internet/fandom experience. It is kind of you to offer to give advice, but it is misguided and potentially opens many kids up to unhealthy relationships with "more informed" fans they meet online.

Fujoshi =/= homophobic

Fujoshi =/= fetishizing mlm

Fujoshi =/= sexualizing relationships between males

Good job. I really hope that you grow from this point in your life. That you can look back and see what a twat you were. We've all been there, trust me. Just know when you think back on this moment in your life and feel shame that those of us that interacted with you know enough that you're just a kid that will grow out of this, no hard feelings. I hope you grow to be less angry and ill-informed to the world around you.

Blacklist ‘fetishize’. ‘fetishizes’ and ‘fetishizer’ and set your blacklisting extension of choice to not ever show the posts. Go ahead and blacklist ‘gross’ as well, let the usual suspects scream into the void until their throats bleed.

i see you

i see you