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Look I'm sorry to anyone who thought the Saja Boys were a real band, but it was obviously fake from the beginning.
Huntr/x has been doing this gimmick for years where they'll put on a performance and some actors dressed up like demons will "interrupt" it or get into some choreo fights on stage and stuff. If you're a fan you know, the demons usually symbolize things like industry corruption, Mira's struggle with her family, Rumi being in the closet, etc, and there's lots of hints and secret messages to the fans in what they're wearing or how they show up. Check out huntresx5evah on blsky they've got an extensive examination of the "demons" over the years and what the messages to the fans are.
In the concert before Golden was released, the demons were dressed like flight attendants. That was the indication that something new was about to take off. @/queenhuntrixdontmiss and I speculated that it was going to be a new single and low and behold, it was.
But then the live performance got cancelled. It's an open secret that Rumi was having vocal issues, so that was probably not planned. They needed to buy time for her to recover, so, enter the Saja Boys -- a fake band of guys really clearly pretending to be demons, they release ONE single, do a bunch of b-tier variety shows for a week, nearly all of their public appearances have Huntr/x right there, keeping the hype and energy up until Rumi can get her throat polyps removed and furthering the routine where Huntr/x are supposed to be secret demon hunters and the Saja Boys are supposed to be secret demons.
Then the whole thing culminates in the Golden live performance at the idol awards, the big act with Huntr/x fake "break up" and the subsequent theatrics to make it up to fans for failing the first Golden performance. Huntr/x takes their obligation to fans very seriously, I've no doubt that they all felt terrible about having to cancel, so a free show was the obvious recourse to try and make it up to people. And they pulled out all the stops!
But the Saja Boys were never real. I mean they got real guys to pretend to be a boy band and do the dancing and lip syncing obviously, but come on, most of them didn't even have names.
I've seen this post so many times and I can't TAKE IT anymore. Because there are so many new people in the fandom after that Netflix documentary and I donāt want them getting the wrong impression, Iām going to correct everything thatās wrong in this post.
First off, RUMI IS NOT āIN THE CLOSETā, BECAUSE RUMIāS SEXUAL ORIENTATION HAS NEVER BEEN IN ANY WAY DISCLOSED BY HER OR ANYONE WHO KNOWS HER! Nor has any gender identity other than ciswoman, though thatās less of a debate. You canāt accuse a person of hiding something if you donāt even know if thereās a thing to be hidden!
@ new fans, especially Western ones: yes, this is a #gaylor swifties situation. To be fair, itās a little more substantiated: Rumi has sung a several incredible songs over the years alluding to having something to hide, and most recently Huntr/xās new hit āGoldenā has her belting, āIām done hiding, now Iām shining/Like Iām born to be!ā and then revealing what seems to be faint but full-body pearlescent rainbow tattoos? Or maybe body paint?
But even that doesnāt mean anything, because Rumi hasnāt SAID anything, and no one who knows her has SAID anything. Hunter/x is FAMOUS for keeping their private lives actually private, and their studio and staff uniquely go the fuck to BAT for them on thatāwhich is really rare in the idol industry, but actually SHOULD be the standard. Itās up to us as fans to respect that! Iām not saying friendly speculation is wrong, but presenting fan theories as true? No offense op but cut it the hell out.
Also, the Saja Boys were definitely a real new band whose studio ran out of money because that literally happens. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
Okay, point by point:
First paragraph is mostly all correct, except, again, thereās exactly as much evidence that Rumi is, like, secretly half-demon and thatās a real emotional complication for her demon-hunting side hustle as there is that sheās secretly gay. More evidence, actually, because as OP says the Huntr/x lore HAS always been this demon-hunting bit. It lets the idols show off their mad acrobatic & martial arts skills in videos and concerts, itās cool as hell.
"That was the indication that something new was about to take off. @/queenhuntrixdontmiss and I speculated that it was going to be a new single and low and behold, it was."
I don't know what OP & their friend might've DMed about, but literally everyone interpreted the flight attendant demons and the ass-kicking thereof as a reference to their world tour & a celebration of its end - especially in conjunction with the AWESOME sky-diving onto the stage! (Alright it was obviously special effects, but it still looked awesome.) This made 100% sense and still does.
"It's an open secret that Rumi was having vocal issues"
BULLSHIT. Rumi flubbed ONE note at the San Francisco show, the last tour date before they returned to Seoul. Was she tired? Probably! It was the end of a huge tour! Was the whole band scheduled for some time off after their last, Seoul performance, and then "Golden" dropped instead? Yes! (That is weird, but it's so atypical for Sunlight Studios to push their artists beyond what the artists are comfortable with that I can't believe it was anything but a fakeout.) (Then again, the cancelled concert was bizarre even as a hype-building move - there's playing hard-to-get and then there's disappointing your fans, you know? So, fine, maybe the girls really did need a break, and they'd planned to do a fake-out but actually it became real...)
"enter the Saja Boys -- a fake band of guys really clearly pretending to be demons"
Play Games With Us is a top-rated variety show, a touchstone of Korean music culture since 2012.
"nearly all of their public appearances have Huntr/x right there"
Even in the build-up to the Idol Awards, there are only so many pop music events - and, in the build-up to the Idol Awards, EVERYONE is doing ALL of them. Tons of other bands were also overlapping with both Saja Boys and Huntr/x, but those two were focused on because they were winning the annual unofficial "boost your Idol chances by dropping a new single right before the Awards" contest. Which is why "Golden" and "Soda Pop" came out back to back like that btw; Thrice also released "Sunbeam", YOUVE released "Heart of a Rebel", and STB dropped a whole music video for "TNT".
I will concede that there was clearly some collaboration between their studios - Huntr/x is known for boosting new bands (Mira literally learns other bands' choreography and does tiktoks all the time!). So, with the need to hype "Golden", the Play Games With Us appearance in their iconic "Demonslayer" outfits wasn't beyond normal - but the joint signing was. Like, it was normal energy for Huntr/x helping to promote another, newer band, but it was beyond anything they've done before.
WHAT HAPPENED AT THE IDOL AWARDS & AFTER:
Saja Boys was actually supposed to perform before Huntr/x and then Huntr/x went first instead, and I have seen 0 explanation of that. I want explanation of that.
Huntr/x finally performance-debuted "Golden", and it was INCREDIBLE, albeit struck as always by the Huntr/x Video Curse. Rumi fucking nailed it. She looked so happy that I literally teared up.
They transitioned into "Takedown", a new song that there'd been scant rumors of at the time (source 1, 2), and which we can safely assume is part of the "new music" that Huntr/x's official statement (source), released on Wednesday after the Awards, said they have been & are continuing to work on, with "more details coming soon."
During "Takedown", the band definitely had some sort of real fight onstage. I fully agree with the people who say that Rumi did not look like she was just acting that shocked and hurt. But! She also clearly knew the choreography; this song was a planned inclusion. Zoe admitted in an interview last week that they'd been having some conflicts in the group, "Mostly with our own selves, but it spilled out on each other. But we're all good now - I mean, we're all working on being better, and that makes us better!" (Source.) The fight was probably part of that.
(Are these "conflicts" the reason the song, and at least 1 more song discussed in this post, are being released in ?? time rather than the night of the Idol Awards as it seems Huntr/x had planned? Maybe! But this is all speculation! Sunlight Studios is as famously tight against plan leaks as it is against paparazzi bothering their singers.)
Power surge! People heard lights explode! The stadium had to be evacuated.
The Idol Awards chair officially announces that the rest of the show is cancelled, Huntr/x has broken up (he has NO authority or known insider knowledge on that, to be clear), and the Saja Boys have won all the top awards - "Best Song", "Best Group", "Best New Group", "Best Dance Performance", etc. Nobody really pays that much attention, because the Idol Awards are as notoriously rigged as the MAMA Awards - which are so rigged that G-Dragon once performed a rap about how rigged they are at the MAMA Awards.
The Saja Boys, presumably in exchange for all the help Huntr/x gave them, decided to help our girls: they scheduled one of their "classic" flash mob performances (lol, they've only been a band for like 2 weeks; but their studio has 110% gone in on this strategy the whole time and it is so effective at building hype). At that midnight show, Saja Boys debuted their surprise new song, "Your Idol" - which, again re: HuntrBoys theories: yeah, this was totally a planned collab. Huntr/x isn't the only kpop group with a supernatural gimmick, and Saja Boys' riff on the Jeoseung Saja, aka the Korean Grim Reaper, is a different part of Korean mythology than the "demons" that Huntr/x usually hunts. But with the way they've been working together? I smell a shared kpop cinematic universe in the works...
Or, I would, if I thought there was still fire under that epic stage-smoke. Unfortunately, the flash mob public concert strategy finally backfired on Saja Boys. Not because of the marketing & sales flaws (hard to advertise in advance, literally cannot sell tickets), but because the "mob" part came real: the fans RUSHED the stage. People were shoving each other and grabbing at the singers' ankles!
Huntr/x, however, are crowd management pros. They literally disrupted the chaos of "Your Idol", by walking in with a song that fans are collectively naming "What It Sounds Like", even though no information has been officially released, nor leaked, beyond the above-linked official statement + interview. And they. were. incredible.
(Btw to people saying that wasn't planned: Huntr/x was obviously already on set, and they would never butt in on someone else's show without that group's agreement! That's so bonkers levels of rude. It just wouldn't happen. No one would do that. American pop groups wouldn't do that.)
...At least, I've heard Huntr/x was incredible. (I mean, they're always incredible, but.) The Huntr/x Video Curse was in effect like NEVER before: between the the city-wide-ish blackout, the ambitious special effects, the last-minute (attempt at a) livestream, the logistical chaos of the crashed Idol Awards, the emotional chaos of the crashed Idol Awards - both of those for performers, managers, kpop media, and fans - and, lbr, probably just that it was like 1am by the time anything actually happened, so everyone was that special combo of really tired AND really wired - there is NO footage that isn't either completely blurry, too dark or full or flashing lights or both, audio-distorted, or all of the above. Everyone who was present just agrees that it was the Coolest Shit Ever.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
Saja Boys: new to the kpop scene + terrifying crowd experience + risky low-sales, high-SFX expenses, high-hype strategy probably making a brand new studio run deeply in the red = disappeared overnight. It sucks, but it makes sense. I expect a goodbye statement any day now, hopefully a video from the band themselves but honestly I'd get it if there's just a press release or something.
Huntr/x: had some "conflicts" but they're now "tighter than ever" and working on new music that "explores the challenges we face and fight to overcome. We look forward to connecting with our fans more than ever!" (Source: same statement as above.)
So I reblogged this before, but I think it's worth doing again because Todd in the Shadows did a video on the Saja Boys. He focuses more on their side of things, which I think is a worthwhile perspective in the HUNTR/X fandom (we can all get a bit of tunnel-vision on the girls).
He doesn't do much more than briefly touch on the whole "demon" thing. I assume that was intentional, because he's mostly concerned with the actual music and the legal/financial situation, rather than the meta story. Still, it's definitely an interesting watch; it's not a long video.
Ugh I hate that Huntr/x video/livestream curse so much it makes it Super hard to be an international fan. I was excited you know, because a friend of mine happened to be in Seoul during the week where the HuntSaja Drama was at its peak and she Promised to film everything for me that she could, and I'm telling you she couldn't even get two clean seconds of the Saja Billboard announcement for the secret concert (no idea how they pulled off that special effect where they apparently all escaped the bounds of the screens but it must have been projections on smoke or something? Wild!) Let alone any of the free concert. I can't even be mad because No One got more than that it's so unfair.
@Huntr/xofficialfanclub for real what incense should I be burning to pray for footage to come out, huh? I'll buy the official DVD I swear just make it available pleeeaaase.
Anyway here's me saving up for plane tickets because Huntr/x skipped Australia in their "world" tour (they pretty much always do š). One day. One day I'm going up up up and getting that golden ticket!
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I am whatever the opposite of a speed runner is. I am a game meanderer. I have to look at literally everything. I am overly cautious in every way. I forget to pause and wander away from the game. I take a minimum 7 hours to get through any given level. If you give me a timer I will cry.
i don't think anything will ever be as validating as the woman who's supposed to be training me on our new financial software learning how i've been doing payroll for the last five years. the shellshocked silence. the extended stare into the middle distance as she processed the implications. the horrified hands over her mouth. the heady experience of finally sharing space with someone who gets it. i am not the crazy one here.
i admitted that explaining our existing processes makes me feel like wimp lo and she didn't know what i meant until i showed her this gif at which point she agreed
not that anyone asked but when i got this job everyone turned in. paper timesheets. written on printed out empty spreadsheets. and the person with my job would print out her own empty spreadsheet and fill it out with a pencil based on all the other printed spreadsheets. and then use her spreadsheet to enter the time into our shitass software which created 'default hours' for every active employee including part-timers who don't actually work every pay period so she had to manually delete every employee who didn't work. and every time you made an edit in the payroll software there was a random chance that it would delete the first employee listed on payroll so sometimes after making enough edits you'd have to add the first like ten employees back to payroll.
my solution to this nightmare was to make spreadsheets that looked identical to the printouts but used named tables to create a hidden summary table, and i talked the department heads into using them by pointing out they would no longer have to manually calculate hours worked based on time. which is what they were doing before that. usually incorrectly. then i imported all those timesheet summaries into a central spreadsheet using powerquery before using vba to generate something closer to a format that our shitass software was willing to import. but i still had to use a short powershell script to finalize the format because it was a fixed width txt file with a fake filetype where multiple columns had the same name for some godforsaken reason.
this also let me automate my leave accrual spreadsheet that i had to keep because the payroll software fucked up leave accrual constantly. and which my boss originally wanted me to do manually every payroll. with a pencil and a canon mp11dx calculator. he still insisted it had to be on paper in a binder so i wrote a script to go through every table in the excel file and turn everything white except for the most recently added row so that i could just keep printing over the same pages instead of writing it in by hand. every two weeks i would put hundreds of pages of printed out spreadsheets into the printer to add a single row to the end of each page.
did you know that when you change the drum on a printer it can slightly alter the print alignment, and cheap toner cartridges sometimes subtly shed toner in ways that only become obvious after you've run the same sheet of paper through the printer thirty times?
this is so interesting, because I have OCD and an autoimmune disease that causes inflammation, and those things are 100% related. when my immunosuppressant meds are working, my OCD stops. and when Iām unmedicated itās like my brain is on fire. the one time I actually saw a doctor for my OCD and went through multiple sessions for it, it was allllll about breaking habits and learning self control, and would you believe it, it didnāt help one bit.
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unironically i think we need to bring back computer labs because APPARENTLY some people WERENT taught basic computer literacy and internet safety in school
things about computers/the internet i think kids should be formally taught in schools because theyre important to know and the amount of soon to be grown adults i know who know NOTHING about any of these is quite frankly almost all of them (and resources to learn if you dont know these things, because its never to late to get better with computers)
how to troubleshoot by yourself when you have a technical problem
what common file types are
some very basics on how to use ""developer tools"" on your computer (because i cant think of a better way to refer to them) like task manager and command prompt (and their mac equivalents, terminal and activity monitor ofc)
how to read and understand a privacy policy and what your personal data is, as well as what it being collected actually means and steps you can take to keep it private
how to understand terms of service
(hey. if you have trouble with reading legalese and worry about being able to understand these policies anyways, here's a site that gives basic summaries of privacy policies and ToS)
what a cookie actually is
internet privacy and your digital footprint!! seriously i dont know why we stopped teaching people that they shouldnt be putting their entire real identity online in a world where your online actions can ruin you irl
basic safety measures like antivirus software (and why you should use it or if the built in one on windows or mac is enough for you) and backing up your computer (also a mac guide)
common keyboard shortcuts (and on mac)
as an additional note: things i think everyone should know on computers and the internet but schools may bit hesitant to teach about for whatever moral/legal standards schools pretend to operate on
vpns and adblockers! (btw for most of these where you can pay for things im purposefully not recommending any specific software but seriously just use ublock origin for an adblocker)
how to not get a virus while pirating something
what a temporary email is and when to use one
red flags that you shouldn't trust a website (and how to quickly check the security of a site)
what javascript on a website does and how to disable it to get around paywalls
ok one last addition! if you want to take it one level higher, i think learning the very basics of at least one programming language is good for people. it makes computers less scary and it makes you feel very cool, and a lot of people get discouraged about it because it seems overly complicated and hard to learn outside a formal classroom setting, so heres some resources for learning the very basics of python (because i consider it the easiest language to learn and knowing one language will make it easier to learn others)
an online compiler so you dont need to download anything or worry about running code directly on your computer if that makes you nervous
a basic video guide to introduce you to python and walk you through beginner steps
a guide to some syntax and commands you should know (this was literally my lifeline in my first CS class)
some performance tasks to give you things to code to practice and assess yourself
Out on Youtube March 20th. Link in Bio!! These two masterpieces where ALL over my mood board when I was making Waves. Black and Magical is the way Iād describe this film. Loving yourself when the world wants to hate you is the greatest power the world has ever seen. I have so many feelings about this film. Please look out for it this March! 3/20/2026, the first day of spring š
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the past few months @tizzymcwizzy and I have been writing a fic (still not finished) where Phoenix wakes up to find that he's switched places with himself from 13 years prior. age gap narumitsu galore!
Iāll never not be amused by the fact that I can drop the words ācrucifix nail nipplesā into a conversation and some of you who have been with me since the livejournal days will join me in the flashbacks, screaming and crying all the way.
I require context. Because this is a very interesting start of a story, and now I need the rest of it. Could I get a link, or a summary, or something? Pretty please?
All right buckle the fuck up kids, itās the year 2012 and Iāve just been handed what should be an easy editing gig by my senior editor. Itās a vampire erotica story because one of the final Twilight movies is about to come out, and everything is vampires. Everything. I havenāt edited a single thing in months which isnāt about vampires. I am ready, I can do this. So I open the file and notice thereās a typo in the title, which really should have been my first inkling that something horrendous was about to go down, but you see Iām not quite dead inside yet so I carry on, bushy tailed and bright eyed with my faith in humanity intact. Itāll be dead by page 24, but I donāt know that yet. Iām just editing one more vampire boner fest.
The MC is a girl who weāll call Sue. Sue is a Good Girlā¢, Sue is Not Like Other Girlsā¢, she is pale and awkward and a virgin and has somehow managed to find herself a Bad Boy⢠for a boyfriend. Weāll call him Dickhead.
Now Dickhead as previously stated is a bit of dick, he tries to pressure Sue into sex because he knows she is The One⢠but he loves her really so itās okay. Except itās not okay because Sue is a Good Girl⢠and holding out till marriage which heās fine with except heās got such a bad case of blue balls that one night walking home an attractive stranger lures him into an alley with the words āhey studā and he follows, dick out before sheās even finished her sentence. Well turns out that was a mistake for Dickhead because sheās a vampire, but not just any vampire, a Dick Biting Vampire. So what started out as a skeevy blow job behind a club that heāll feel bad about in the morning, turns into him being bitten on the dick and drained of his life essence and left for dead. Except DBV fucked up and now heās a vampire. Are you still with me? Good, cause itās about to get weirder.
Realizing he is now an abomination, Dickhead flees, becoming a creature of the night and feeding on animals rather than humans to repent for being such an asshole in life. Sue meanwhile is heartbroken, but carries on valiantly with her life and goes to bed each night crying for the loss of her One True Love⢠who she would do anything to bring back. Well guess what Sue, Dickhead never really left you! Heās been āinstinctively protecting her from rapistsā by hiding out on her roof and fighting hobos who try to get to her open window via the fire escape for months now. Because thatās not fucking terrifying at all.
Upon learning of his predicament and how it happened, Sue can do nothing but blame herself. Oh if only sheād let him touch her secret places, then perhaps all of this could be avoided! Meanwhile Dickhead is having another dilemma of his own, realizing too late that his vampire powers have given him super senses and now he can smell her blood and he canāt decide whether he wants to get with her or eat her. And I donāt mean in the French sense. But he is strong! And over comes his base manly vampire instincts and neither rapes not kills her. Hurrah! And this is so romantic that Sue gives it up, but not before she launches into a theory about how in all fairy tales, True Love saves the day, so maybe her magical pure vagina that has never been touched by anyone, not even her, can bring him back to life. So Dickhead being a dickhead agrees and rips her clothes off, but not before he takes one last moment to marvel at the beauty of her purity, because he will never again look on her again and know she is Pure.
If youāve only vomited once by now, I applaud your resolve.
So they hop on the good foot and do the nasty, except she is literally so pure in spirit, her flesh burns his. And I quote you from memory because these words are burned into my soul: āher breasts bit into his hands, like crucifix nail nipples tearing at his flesh, but he did not care because he loved her so and couldnāt stopā
This phrase haunts me. I dread that it will be the last thing I think about on my death bed and my last words will literally be āgod fucking dammitā as I die, carrying that mental image with me into the afterlife. My own solace is in knowing that I inflicted it on other people too, like @ahzuri who is somehow still with me after all these years.
When the magical burning sex fails to heal him and leaves her bruised, battered and broken with āa dainty blue bells of bruises around her secret flowerā (I am genuinely quoting this, I could never make something as horrendous as this up without being on acid) Dickhead leaves. Yeah. Off he fucks, leaving her to the mercy of the hobos at her window, and into the night to be the true monster he really is. But wait, thereās more. Remember the dick biting vampire? Well turns out she has figured out she made him into a vampire and has also been stalking HIM and is totally jealous of Sue, so tries to kill her. But again Sues Purity saves her, because sex before marriage which was done out of True Love is not a sin, so she is still a spiritual virgin and Iāll be honest, I started drinking heavily at this point and itās all a bit of a blur.
A fight ensues some pages later after Dickhead returns, realizing the mistake he has made. And he rescues Sue from the Dick Biter, but not before he assaults Dick Biter, and calls her a slut for luring innocent men into alleys cuts her heart out by cutting her breasts off, at which point i screamed āTHATāS NOT HOW YOU REACH THE HEARTā and my brain short circuited completely and I have no idea how it ends because I realized there was 30 pages left and my soul couldnāt take it. I emailed the chief editor like ?????!!!!!!????!!!!!! and the book was immediately pulled from the work line and the author dismissed from the publishing house. Turns out she was a friend of a friend and that was how she got the manuscript past our entry levels for requirement.
And thatās the story of how an author sent me death threats for over a month because I stopped her shitty vampire porn from ever seeing the light of day. Youāre all fucking WELCOME.