How I be posting about either Wolfgang or Ulysses knowing full well the last 5 posts in their tag were all made by me:
Little bonus:
When I first started playing pjeg, Wolfgang was my fav. But once Chapter 1 was released that switched to Ulysses and it has stayed like that ever since.
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grace & eloise and instant versus delayed gratification
i would really love to chat about the eloise and grace parallels actually because i VERRYYYY strongly think something is gonna happen between those two at SOME point. something bad is gonna happen i know this in my heart and soul. here is my prediction/prologue and chapter 1 analysis :)
i think one of the biggest parallels between these two is their approach to "winning the game".
grace is very brash and outspoken. she is characterised as being a ruthless competitor who will cut ties with anybody in order to make it to the top. we see in the prologue she REPEATEDLY pushes boundaries in order to get out of this killing game, even when it hurts her (trying to get the tozu trinket off until it shocks her, not being compliant during trial until she again gets shocked, getting shot at for fighting, etc). grace has an initial advantage against many others-- her strength-- and throws it all out at the gate in an effort to establish herself as being on top.
golf is about winning in as little shots as possible, and while it is kinda funny that a sport typically associated with being quiet and boring has given us an extremely abrasive ultimate, it makes a LOT of sense in regards to grace's mentality. grace is not there to wait! she is there to gain the immediate lead-- she is very used to the SHORT game.
and i think we can all tell that this isn't working out for her LMFAO. the game is still GOING. grace is doing what she knows in order to protect herself, and it is repeatedly FAILING. rabbits symbolise innocence/VULNERABILITY, which i really think applies to grace in a way she would hate, because her method of attack has left her repeatedly more and more helpless. she isnt making friends (and when she sort of was he DIED), and her brashness from the very beginning has left her in a TERRIBLE position (theres damon parallels but that is a WHOLE other essay). she played for instant gratification and will have to reap the consequences of that failing for a while.
eloise is a patient, analytical player. she is able to discern that she is in this game for the long haul, not in it for a short, brief period, which means her approach to survival comes from a perspective of patience. i believe she tells damon how she is about to act in this killing game from the very beginning. in fact, she basically lays out how her AND grace are about to act:
she knows when to back down, she knows that even if she loses the battle she can still win the war. eloise is a very quiet person, but in no way does that make her defenceless-- she is VERY capable of taking others down, and even TELLS damon this during her first FTE, but she has the foresight to understand not to make the first move. she tells damon specifically that if he attacks first, she will fight back.
because of this, most of what we see from eloise is more reserved and timid. she hides from others when she gets emotional as to not reveal that weakness, as seen in her first introduction. she apologises often, even during trials when bringing up valid questions. she relents to grace and hands over her blackmail, even when she is being cornered and yelled at. i believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY that this blackmail has set the tone of their relationship moving forward (and desmond too, since he and eloise are being pushed together, and he was ready to jump to eloise's defence during the blackmail scene).
grace mentions that eloise had been "giving her the side-eye" ever since the blackmail was announced, and regardless of whether or not that was grace being paranoid or eloise reading something that damaged her opinion of grace, they antagonise each other. grace is very obvious with her antagonism, however. it is brash and open. she calls eloise names, uses intimidation, all tactics that again rely on her strength and that "short game" method she is so used to.
but i believe eloise's antagonism is overall the far more effective kind, and that it has already begun taking form in a very subtle way. she lets grace take her blackmail, and maintains her solid reputation with the others while making grace look mean and, worse, desperate. and because eloise has maintained her reputation she is able to very subtly undermine grace in a way grace just cant. eloise holds her ground during investigation when she needs to get into wolfgang's room, a conversation likely motivated by the fact she (and desmond, i strongly believe eloise told him) knows grace's blackmail and is able to hang that over her head. eloise lines up the shot, and desmond fires by telling grace how suspicious it is she is acting so defensive if there is nothing for her to hide.
and then, during the trial, eloise is the first person to accuse grace. she tells everybody how strangely she acted during the investigation and steers the conversation towards her in a very subtle manner, after which desmond primarily takes over to explain why the class shouldnt be trusting grace. again, eloise lines up the shot, and desmond fires.
eloise was unaware she had an alibi and knew when to back down, but the damage had already been done against grace, even if it's miniscule. it backed grace into an immediate corner, a very helpless position she is ALREADY proven to be very agitated by, and made her look untrustworthy. eloise is able to knock grace prone from the very beginning and comes out of the situation clean, because she chooses her words carefully and never comes across as vindictive. grace, who can only do so much, swears and spits at eloise for the accusation, ultimately making her look like the cruel one.
grace is used to winning in as little shots as possible, and eloise knows that winning requires patience. i really do think this blackmail is going to lead the dynamic between these two for the rest of the game. i think eloise is at the very least in it for the long haul in this killing game, and she is going to prove to be a capable and dangerous competitor. because eventually grace is going to run out of steam, have NO footing when it comes to the rest of the class, and will start losing the battles when it really matters. eloise has the hindsight to know grace will eventually wear herself out.
and even though this essay isnt as much about desmond as it is grace and eloise, i think he will have a very important part to play in this dynamic. i think this line:
might hold a bit more weight to it than what it seems. grace and eloise have ultimate talents that seemingly tie into their values and personalities quite well, it makes sense for this to also apply to desmond. eloise wears her competitors out by playing the long game, and once theyre stationary, that's when desmond fires.
ok wait desmond and eloise is kind of a crazy character matchup if you actually think about it. guy who will be perceived as a threat no matter what he does x girl who will be perceived as weak no matter what she does
If Diana had to close Damon's eyes, imagine what Ingrid was doing while Toshiko was being executed.
Imagine the next day with both of them in silence torn by the loss of the people closest to them in the killing game. Ingrid wants to desperate comfort Damon, but she can't even pull herself together properly anymore. Both aren't even fully dressed like they usually would be, it took them enough effort to get out of bed. They only have their collared shirts, pants and shoes on. Their hair is messy and unkept and it's obvious they have been crying without a wink of sleep. Images of Kai and Toshiko's last moments practically branded into their memory, unable to unsee everything. It's just them left in the dining room, there's nothing in front of them to eat or drink; their bodies only moved out of adapted routine.
It gets too much, Damon reaches out first surprisingly. His body leans limp against her, his hand gripping onto her short for a lifetime. Ingrid barely snaps out of it to realize what's happening. When she does, she couldn't stay strong anymore and breaks right in front of him. It's barely a hug, more so them leaning on each other and grasping whatever keeps them grounded. No words were exchanged, however the shared pain and trauma was heard in that silence.
And then Ingrid dies next. Her body was barely recognizable, it took the tablet to show that Ingrid was the mess all over the walls. Damon stared at it, locked into her portrait and her smile. That warm, supportive smile that was never faked, only strained after a while. He slowly dreaded to realize that he was forgetting her face, forgetting that warmth she had even when she was at her worst. Would they really be friends if they weren't trapped?
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back to the topic of ulysses and wenona because i'm thinking about them: i think their relationship greatly differs between a killing game and no killing game situation. because, you know, they aren't trapped together in a death game in one of them. none of the nuances about them needing each other apply outside of a killing game because they aren't backed into a corner and stressed to an extreme point. wenona just wants a professional connection, and ulysses just wants a friend. i think that's how they START in any situation, including the killing game, but it's changed by their circumstances. because, like, in a life or death situation, wenona suddenly needs insurance. she needs to come out on top. she figures ulysses is the best person for it because she already respects him, but also knows she can exploit his weaknesses like his loneliness and the fact he likes her. she suddenly needs a tool and she makes one out of ulysses. and ulysses also needs insurance. he needs protection and comfort. he struggles on his own and likely knows he's an easy target and an outcast. it changes from just wanting a friend to needing a friend, and he's willing to do everything he does because he's so desperate and scared. they're both powerful allies to each other, but they see it in different ways.
and when they aren't put in those positions they develop a lot more healthily, if you know what i mean.
like, wenona still isn't seeing ulysses as a friend and is pretty detached from him. he's just the best person in the class for her to talk to because he isn't stupid. she doesn't need or want friends, but ulysses is a pretty good acquaintance. he's passionate and serious and deserves to be an ultimate in her eyes, so they're alike like that. she wants his company because she could genuinely use someone to talk to that doesn't just want to push and shove her around for their own good or brag about her. he's actually respectable and nice to be around.
ulysses absolutely still sees wenona as a friend, though, and is much more into her than she is to him. and he thinks that they're seeing each other in the same way because she's actually bothering to spend time with him, and talk to him, and whatnot. he wants a friend and she seems to be that for him. and she's a good person to be friends with! she's confident, and extremely hard working, and just all around amazing. he wants to impress her and prove to her he deserves to be her friend, because he's desperate to not be alone anymore. she's great and actually gave him a chance to be her friend and he doesn't want to let that go.
i think that they end up teaching each other different things depending on the situation, too.
in the killing game, wenona teaches ulysses that he's also powerful, and that he doesn't need to let everyone walk all over him and he can make them respect him. outside of it, i think she teaches him that he's very smart and capable, and if that's not enough for people, that they aren't worth his time. and that he doesn't deserve to be treated like shit either. I think the first comes from her genuinely believing in him, but also wanting to mold him into the perfect lackey for her, cause what use is a doormat? but it would actually help him to stand up for himself and recognize his worth. and the second comes from her realizing that he's really trying hard to impress her when it's not necessary. she knows he's a good person and other people should see that too, rather than only his faults. they should give him the time of day and he shouldn't tolerate them if they only use it to mistreat him.
in the killing game, i think ulysses teaches her that she needs to treat people more like people and less like pawns. and that she ultimately doesn't benefit from doing it no matter how good she thinks it is for her. whereas outside of it, i think he teaches her to slow down and appreciate the people around her, to make connections outside of just business. the first is really through her realizing that she fucked up with him. that she's been frightened and hurt by losing him and realizing that it was partially her fault. and that she's not going to get any chance to mend that with him and go back and say hey, wait, i like you as a person too. i wouldn't mind being your friend too. it makes her more careful and considerate of others that she still has. the second is kind of her realizing through him that she doesn't mind having friends and they aren't stopping her from her own goals in any way. there are actual genuine people out there who will appreciate her beyond just her accomplishments and money, who want to live and laugh with her. who she cares for and who care back. so she does eventually accept ulysses as being a friend, and takes on more friends in their class.
without them being in a killing game, their relationship and them as individuals are given more a chance to grow and thrive. they're under so, so much less stress, and are able to be apart from each other when things aren't all that healthy. they have other people to guide them, whereas in the killing game, they're quite isolated from everyone but each other. they could have been incredibly good friends with each other! and i think this goes for a lot of people in the killing game, things could have been so much different! but there isn't any allowance for it in that situation. there's no room for it unless you get lucky, and most people don't. even if ulysses hadn't died when he did, i don't think there's any definitive saying that they wouldn't have just spiralled in their toxicity or if they would have fixed things up. because the conditions don't magically disappear and you don't get magically fixed right away. it's not a good situation so expecting good things to come in it is kind of foolish, even if it is possible.
everything i see about ingrid and toshiko (really just ingrid in general) is that ingrid is more or less toshiko's protector/mother/older sister and although they're the best of friends in ch2 ingrid will murder someone to protect toshiko and die. or someone will try to kill toshiko and ingrid sacrifices herself and she dies. or toshiko breaks a rule and ingrid dies in her place. and like, this is a good theory and i'm not bashing it at all but this is all i see about them and i need something else
give me ingrid failing to protect toshiko and having to deal with the aftermath. give me more depth in their relationship than older sister/younger sister: more about toshiko trying so hard to look mature only to not be taken seriously and forced to have ingrid watch over her all the time. more about ingrid who looks big and strong but is still so young, only a month older than diana, yet still carrying the obligation to protect toshiko with her life if necessary. what about potentially both of them secretly wanting to be like the other - toshiko, wanting to be taken seriously and respected and relied on even at a young age, and ingrid wanting to be seen as just a kid for once, protected for once, instead of being the protector all the time?
what about blackened toshiko taking advantage of their dynamic to try and get away with murder because nobody thinks she'll be capable of doing something like that? what about blackened toshiko feeling sick of being treated like a child and ending up biting off more than she can chew just to try and protect everyone else? please give me something else than ch2 ingrid victim sacrifice for toshiko's character development i BEG you
so we didn't get ch2 ingrid victim sacrifice after all YAYYYYYYYY
but in my honest opinion having her be the next to die after toshiko's execution feels like a little of a waste? i understand the perspective of her dying tragically is very compelling, but given the fact that Ingrid seems like someone who is more willing to hide her pain for the sake of everyone else, having toshiko get executed would probably show a side of her that we would have rarely seen thus far. and then she just dies before we get to see her fully work through that??? (assuming she doesn't deal with it in the space of ch4 daily life which realistically she really wouldn't)
Alright so. The death order for PJEG has been made public and, honestly, one complaint that i don't see people bringing up is that i feel they gave Ingrid the Taka treatment by killing her off immediately after Toshiko's execution. Like i feel that it means she didn't get enough time to grieve and process Toshiko's death before Mark killed her. Obviously there's details missing but yeah
I will take no part in discussion of the supposed PJEG leaks that came out on reddit; Frankly, I say they're not worth anyone's time, and with the timing of them, it reads as an attempt to slander the ex-staff trying to deliver the story in a satisfying way by making a nonsensical series of claims on a story that was in active development to begin with.
I say rather than letting ourselves be distracted, go spend your time signing the petition and do some good.
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how come a blacksmith can receive that sort of acclaim before me
this one interaction in the prologue has been scratching at my brain and i need to write about it
when you first meet damon, he is pretty cold towards everybody, especially those whose talents are less prestigious. after the class trial he had that whole speech about how the title of ultimate doesn't mean anything because everyone else's ultimates were just pointless hobbies etc etc.
when you first meet ingrid, she's very kind and trusting, her first line in the prologue being What's this? More friends? and she initially believes this whole thing is really just a surprise excursion instead of a kidnapping. she's a blacksmith, which is a skill largely being replaced by technology, and therefore in people's eyes widely seen as not useful.
now, given that ingrid more or less completely opposes damon's beliefs, you would think that damon would write her off completely. irrelevant talent, hopelessly naive, a recipe for disaster, right?
WRONG
(Line during Ingrid's introduction in the prologue:)
Against modern machines, it's true I'm not an equal match...
Because...I think I'm better than them! [...] If my creation touches the heart, it's better than anything made by machine - imperfections be damned!
And Damon's response to this is: (blue signifying thoughts not spoken aloud)
Better than machines, huh?
People have always told me my skills were impressive, but I'm yet to be compared to a computer or something.
How come a blacksmith can receive that sort of acclaim before me?
but LOOK CLOSELY:
-> Ingrid never mentioned being compared to a computer by anybody else, just that she believes she's better than a computer
-> Ingrid never mentioned acclaim
-> Ingrid only mentioned her own confidence to touch hearts with her work
Ingrid's completely confident in what she can do, even as it's heavily implied that her skill is rapidly becoming obsolete. Yet the debater, having a skill that is much much less likely to be replaced, is the insecure one here. And isn't it odd that a debater of all people, whose skill is literally to touch people's hearts to convince them to agree with them, would feel what looks like jealousy over a statement like this coming from someone with such a 'pointless hobby'? Interesting.
iâll tell you something. party rock is not in the house tonight. party rock has passed away or is on the run from the law in amsterdam or something. and he is hanging out with mr blue sky WITHOUT ME
a project: edenâs garden fanâs take on the situation.
(serious postâcw p3dofilia, gr00ming)
please keep in mind, that as i write this, i am just a 16yo who is really disturbed by the situation and is running on pure adrenaline as i write. do not send hate my way. iâm giving my opinion. please support the victim and help bring the truth to the light. sorry for all the writing.
the situation.
i woke up the morning of march 31st (today, as i write this post,) disturbingly greeted by the news. we all know what that news is.
faza, markâs FORMER vo (which, can we stop saying markâs vo? he isnât his vo anymore. heâs a disgusting piece of shit.) had been accused of grooming a minor and even CONFESSED to doing so.
my heart dropped. i genuinely was so disgusted and felt like i was gonna throw up. iâve been feeling this way ever since i read that. i am 100% nauseated by the actions of this GROWN, KNOWING MAN and i am deeply ashamed to have ever appreciated his work.
i immediately read the google docâi donât know if they have a tumblr, but my friend nova on discord, the owner of pjegcord, shared it to the members. i will be sharing it below. my heart shatteredâthe fact this BOY in a MANâs skin had the nerve to do that to someone as young as 15. thatâd absolutely sickening. what really got me sick, however, was sozzay.
sozzay. sozzay is project: edenâs gardenâs creative lead if i recall properly. i donât give two shits what their title is anymore. sozzay knew about the grooming and chose to protect fazaâs reputation by stayint silent and by doing so, taking incredibly inappropriate action towards such a severe matter.
never, absolutely fucking NEVER should a situation of grooming, pdfilia, or any sort of child-adult relation be swept under the rug. this is revolting. it doesnât matter if you âdidnât know how to handle the situationâ. use your fucking brain. this was so upsetting to read.
sozzay swept this under the rug for 4 YEARS. 4 years. thatâs sick. twisted. despicable.
i could go on and on about how this is just straight up shit and list out the timeline of events, but iâd like to address more my take on it because i feel everyone and their mother knows this story by now. if you wish to know more, again, the docs will be attached.
what i think about the situation (as a diehard p:eg fan.)
iâm nauseous. my stomach hurts, my body has been nonstop trembling the whole day. this really fucked me up. iâm so incredibly disgusted with faza (MAINLY), sozzay, and upset at the way the team is handling this.
there are some important things iâd like to dish out. please take the time to read them. or donât. i wonât notice.
regarding project: edenâs garden (MAIN POINT)
my main point. this was the whole reason i wanted to write this, really.
with the current situation, iâve seen a roaring uprise of fans saying, âthis is bullshit! i hope they cancel the game now!â or, âwow, i canât believe edenâs garden has turned into the new tetro. i hope they cancel the game now.â
no. let me just say, NO. this wasnât the fault of anyone else (as far as iâm aware) besides faza and sozzay. the team found out as quickly as we did. the voice actors found out as quickly as we did. one situation should not be the downfall of a wonderful game.
yes, they need better pr and hr. that is a strong point i agree with. they handled this situation so terribly, and itâs so frustrating. to fans who have seen the same poor moderation during february frenzy, we share the same annoyance and frustration.
however, much like how the project had been handed over to a new team, i believe that if it is necessary, it should go to another team instead of getting cancelled. to the fans saying âchapter two would have never come out anyways, just cancel it!â, you are the same people who criticized people who said the same thing before the conflict. do not start. this project can be fixedâand it is not reliant on one manâs grave mistake. so many fansâme includedâfind so much comfort in this project and really just wish it the best. personally, iâd be really upset and disappointed if the project got cancelled, because this project is so well written and done better than the actual danganronpa. it made me fall in love with fanganronpa and danganronpa. this project made me laugh, smile, cry, and want to punch a wall. it was so incredibly executed. do not use this controversy as a reason to hate on the team for their progress speed. it is incredibly hard to build a game. speaking as a director of one.
additionally, please STOP COMPARING IT TO TETRO. tetro should not even be in the conversation. the video series was ai slop, the creator is a demon on earth, and multiple people in the team were terrible people.
tetro was doomed from the start. project: edenâs garden should not be compared to that shit of a project. it was made with love, time, no funds, and patience. it was made with a dedicated team who cared about making the game goodânot about a team who cared about raking in money like vonâs project. it is not comparable in the long run. it was made so carefully, and is honestly disrespectful to equate it to an ai-generated series.
again, however, this is just my opinion. if you disagree, i really canât do much about it. everyone is entitled to their own opinions. however, please do not go around slandering a game myself and so many others love and ESPECIALLY please do not slander the team or the voice actors. they are just as mortified as we are, if not more.
regarding faza.
please, again, as i have stated above. call him the FORMER vo. he does NOT deserve that title. if faza sees thisâi hope you know thereâs a special place in hell for you. youâre a disgusting THING that doesnât deserve to take up air on earth.
regarding the victim.
my heart goes out to the victim, and iâm sending the biggest hug and support to them. nobody deserves this. i hope they are doing much better now and have gotten adequate support to deal with this. to anyone reading this: if you are in a situation similar to this, PLEASE get help. it is not too late to find support. you can break through the grip of someone as disgusting as faza. you are strong, you are loved, and your voice will be heard.
regarding the team.
first: FUCK YOU SOZZAY. this was shitty on your part. hiding it for so longâyou KNEW what you were doing. donât even try and debate me on that. everyone knows. everyone with a functioning cerebral cortex fucking knows that, sozzay.
second: the teamâŚwhat the actual hell are we doing here? the same cowardly behaviour we had during february frenzy, when people were hurling death threats at eachother and racist comments at eachother. the cowardly âum, weâre sorry, weâll just get better moderation and close the chats!â
the fuck is that? and to see how minimally you handled the grooming situationâreally? kicking faza off the team is the bare minimum. do more. we are PISSED. you have betrayed the trust of so many fans, and this is why your project is in flames right now.
sorry iâm hurling so many curse words and denotative language. iâm so incredibly upset by the unprofessionalism the team exhibits. please, for the love of god, if they continue with p:eg, GET HR AND PR. this is insane.
end.
thank you for reading. if you have an opinion, please share it below! please just be respectful, if you are disrespectful in any way i will not hesitate to remove your comment. now, as promised, documents below:
hello everyone! iâve decided to revise this document in itâs entirety due to the fact that when i wrote it i had done so very hastily in ord
âHello everyone, this is faza. Uh Iâm posting this to give some cl-clarifaction regarding something thatâs uh-uhh a topic thatâs been circul
reminder for the edens garden fandom. (this is mainly for the twitter users but iâm still gonna say this here)
in light of the recent faza situation, we have to remember a few things.
1. while i donât like the use of the word âallegationâ juvey most likely used the word to not get sued. that happens a lot with projects like these.
2. stop parroting the major staff (or even the vaâs) knew. people like boyan, nifast, robby, snowy, sabrina, anthony, and dakota had no idea this was happening until now. thatâs how under wraps this was.
3. donât harass the vaâs and dev team members that havenât responded yet.
4. most importantly, hold faza and sozzay accountable.
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@carolynnareaperarchive !!!! I told you I would tag you when I drew ingridamon for you because it was part of your request. I didnt have time to do more but I did TWO DRAWINGS YAY!
Even though these turned out rather silly, I think theyr'e cute! I really wanted to add a little sweet kiss one, because I feel like I personally yearn for kiss art of my rarepairs way too much đ
As always, I got my bases off pinterest! Links: Ref1 , Ref2 .
The actual images I used as reference are under the cut!
The first one especially I really like for them hehehe!