i feel like everything that argyle says is either a foreshadowing or a code or a part of the subtext, but I cannot crack it. his lines are used as a comic relief, but i feel it in my bones that there's more to it.
i believe that argyle is the most enlightened character of them all, like a child who just speaks wisdom without realizing it. yes, maybe the way he says it is awkward, but he's still right
for example here argyle suggests them to ride in the baggage compartment. everyone is annoyed and ignores his suggestion. but in 5 seconds jane will come up to them and suggest to piggyback from max's mind.
piggybacking = carrying someone on your back = what do you carry on your back? a backpack, a bag, baggage. jane indeed rides in the baggage compartment after all
next one.
you gotta be clean to enter the mind. so many drugs references in season 4 and 5 and for what? well, you cannot enter the mind if you are on drugs, you gotta be clean.
metaphorically you cannot self reflect and enter your own mind if you are abusing substances or living in a fantasy. but also, if it's all a mind experiment, and "you could knock out half of hawkins with this shit" and mike knowing everything about sleeping pills, and owens suggesting to put el in an induced coma...
what if argyle is foreshadowing that in order to get out, you gotta get away from the thing that's putting you in this haze, get out of the nina, wake up from the coma, stop breathing those particles, stop believing in your fantasies, mike
there are more and i might return to those later, but now i'm struggling with the van scene. i'm sure it means something, the way it is written, it cannot exist only for the purpose of the comic relief.
(i swear to god mike's face here, i almost believe that he's a small woman who everyone confused with something/someone else)
mike fucked up with his measurements of fantasy coping and now they all are lost
anyway, if you have any ideas about argyle, please release me from this prison
bonus point. isn't it lovely that jane takes off her blue socks before going into the water tank? she's getting rid of external influence to tune in with herself. and yes, it's foreshadowing her shedding mike.
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Unlike Lucas and Dustin in S1, Mike immediately warms up to a girl who looks like a boy and is clearly different so he can relate to her. He showed her his house happily before he even knew she knew about Will. El's arc in S1 is very much trans coded and in many ways i believe it's analogy for Mike being trans. Mike gives a girl who looks like a boy his clothes,hides her in his closet and then his mom tells him he doesn't have to hide anything from her. Mike knows how to do make up and has sisters clothes in his basement. He gives Pink dress to El and does her make up, projecting what he wishes to be. This is even more obvious when Mike in blue clothes stands behind El in pink dress in the mirror who is experiencing girlhood for the first time. If a girl is experiencing girlhood for the first time,why putting boy behind her? Unless he's experiencing it as well and wishes to look like her. Compare this to him being rude towards Max and immediately disliking her when he meets her. Max who has a beautiful long hair and has all the boys going crazy for her and he wishes he could be her. Meanwhile Max's main song in S4 is running up that hill which is about woman and a man swapping places, queer people for years have been saying this song is trans coded. They knew what they were doing while picking that song
Mike is looking for dart in the gym and finds Max and says to her : "This is the boys room."
Max: "Yeah,so?"
Mike: " So it means you should go home"
Why even speciffically saying she should go home cause it's the "boys room"? What does this have to do with him mentioning her gender now and getting so defensive.
Demogorgon looks like a vagina,the gate looks like vagina and El going through it looks like birth. Mindflayer in S3 as well looks like vagina and in S5 as well. I doubt that monsters look like female genitalia cause of the creator being gay and scared of it. Makes more sense it's trans girl experiencing gender dysphoria and we see her POV through supernatural. Even Vecna doesn't have penis and is connected to the vines like black widow.
And Mike goes to girls toilet at rinkomania looking for El and the girls tell him to get out while they're wearing pink,white and Blue(colors of trans Flag)
S3 focused heavily on gender roles like Nancy's journalist plot, Joyce does it with Hopper as well and Max&El talk about boys being terrible while they're experiencing girlhood. Mike who goes through internalized transphobia and is trying this whole season being this masculine straight dude says "women act on emotions and not logic". Meanwhile Mike says "screw logic" to Dustin in S1. Mike then get's attacked for being too emotional instead of using logic while discussing about El's powers.
S4 again shows how important hair is,they focus on Hopper being shaved while El get's buzzcut again. Meanwhile in S4 Mike has long hair,but at the beginning of S5 the party says they have to blend in and Mike is back to wearing clothes his mother buys (which looks like his dads clothes) and has short hair
Max says Holly is her brother Mike and Holly has tons of parallels with her brother. We see Holly enjoying herself in Creel house, experiencing girlhood,trying on dresses and the first dress we see in the closet is a pink dress that had the same shade as the dress El wore in S1. Why was that so important to show? Her doing this by herself and song about being alone is playing. Almost like that's what little Mike was doing while his family was away,trying on his old sisters clothes and having fun. That's why we see a scene of Mike in S1 getting scared when Karen comes and has to hide his symbol of femininity (El) in the closet. Cause Mike would try on his sisters clothes and immediately had to hide when his mother arrives. Meanwhile while El is alone in the house, wearing Mike's clothes,she goes to Nancy's room and wanting girlhood she was never allowed to experience. She represents Mike in that moment, even if their reasons for not having girlhood are different.
Since we're talking about Pink,this color is so important in the show, especially Pink/blue combination. Nancy in S1 wears light pastel colors, especially Pink and has a light pink room that screams girlhood. Meanwhile Mike's room is blue and dark, almost feels suffocating just like the masculinity that is forced on him,Mike even says "dad you're choking me" while Ted is putting a tie on him. Nancy again wears light pink colors in S5 and Jonathan somehow has to mention he threw her pink sweater cause it was Pink. Why? It was so out of Jonathans character, but i think this was a hint for Will being disappointed that Mike is trans. Vickie is dressed in pink uniform and Robin plays for her "pretty in pink" ,lyrics goes "she loves to be one of the girls"
Mr Whatsit in Stranger things is a man while in Wrinkle of time is a woman and Mike speciffically mentions that(Mike always at the scene of the crime)
In The first shadow Henry looks like he's trying on mothers dress. A vision also appears to him and mindflayer is a woman disguised as Patty who's ripping of her hair. Cast members call mindflayer "Mindy" which is similar to Mike and mindflayer is called Mindy on WSQK as well . Patty also often get's compared to Mike and is meant to be his parallel. Just like Nikki in Tales of 85.
I think femininity is even bigger part of Stranger things than homosexuality,but we confuse those things cause of the AIDS metaphors and Will being bullied for being gay. But even bigger part we see in the show is girlhood,huge focus on Nancy losing her virginity and losing her best friend,El herself experiencing girlhood and being friends with Max. Chrissy who was a first victim and had ED directly parallels Mike,they both have abusive mothers(that's a whole other theory i have,Karen is way worse than people think)and eating disorders. So much food mentions around Mike and him being called a twig cause he's a trans girl struggling with her body. Women in general had bigger roles in the show, the only male role that was big every season is Hopper who's definition of toxic masculinity.
Femininity was always bigger part of the show than homosexuality, whether it's text wise or subtext wise in supernatural form.That's why Mike being trans makes more sense.
The Duffers 'nerdiest commencement speech ever' at their uni - a transcript (from here. 30min mark to - 50min in the vid)
[Matt]:
Thank you, president Parlow and the entire faculty for this incredible honor and for inviting us here to speak today.
And a special shoutout to our favorite professor, Michael Kowalski (?) associate dean now, who once told us that the script for the first student film was thematically incoherent. [chuckles] He was right, by the way.
And to the class of ‘26 and your families - congratulations! You did it!
[applause]
[Ross]:
We did it once, too, many moons ago. We graduated from Chapman and Dodge College back in 2007.
To put that into perspective - we were printing out map quests for directions, Netflix was mailing out DVDs in little red envelopes, and the Sopranos finale had just cut to black and people thought their power was cut out.
It feels like a lifetime ago, but we still of course remember being you, we remember feeling excited about the next chapter. But we also remember being scared. Scared of stepping off this campus and into a world that felt pretty uncertain.
But you guys are lucky, because thanks to the hard work of our generation, you’re gonna step off this campus into a far more stable and certain world.
[laughter from audience, Matt giving up sarcastic thumbs up, patting himself on shoulder]
[Ross]:
That’s a joke. It’s a joke! It’s a joke, obviously, our generation screwed things up for you. I mean not us specifically, we were just making a TV show. But, still, on behalf of our generation - we are sorry. Deeply sorry.
[Matt]:
Deeply sorry.
We decided to make up for this by writing what is going to be a life-changing speech, but then we watched a bunch of life-changing speeches and it frankly made us feel inadequate.
Because no matter how hard we try, we’ll never be as wise as Steve Jobs or profound as David Foster Wallace, we won’t.
But that’s fine, we realized, because those speeches are available for free for you to watch on Youtube. They’re good, you should watch them.
So we scrapped the dream of writing something life-changing and set a new, far more achievable goal: to write the nerdiest commencement speech of all time. That’s our goal.
[Ross]:
That’s right.
[applause]
[Ross]:
Which brings us to our nerdy TV show, Stranger Things. [cheering from audience] Thank you. If you haven’t seen it - it’s a coming of age story set in the 1980s.
Over the course of the show the kids have to overcome a lot of stuff - bullies, puberty, monsters from other dimensions.
And the kids name these monsters after villains from Dungeons & Dragons - Demogorgon, Mind Flayer, Vecna. While obviously fictional, each monster represents real fears we face growing up. Fears that we had to overcome as kids and teens.
[Matt]:
There will never be Stranger Things 6. Sorry, Netflix. I know. But for a minute we’re gonna pretend there is, okay?
So, our characters have graduated, they placed their D&D binders back onto the shelf, and they’ve left Hawkins for good, okay?
And we’re gonna talk about the three biggest monsters that we bring into this new season. Monsters that would represent the scariest things that we face in adulthood. And then we’ll be your Monster Manual, or as best to our abilities, and tell you everything we know about them and the best tools that we found to chop off their heads.
[Ross]:
Alright, here we go. So the first monster is called the Mimic, it’s a tricky little bastard, because a Mimic doesn’t appear as a monster, it disguises itself as the thing you most desire.
So in the world of D&D that’s usually like a treasure chest. So you race up to the chest, you’re excited about the gold, the armor you’re gonna find inside. You rub your hands together like Indiana Jones, you reach out and you reach for the treasure, but then it glues itself to you, you can’t move and then the treasure chest opens up, flashing razor sharp teeth and then it eats you. Which sucks.
But what sucks more is: you’re gonna run into many Mimics as you make your way through life. Things that look like things you desperately want, things you’re convinced hold the answers, but when you reach out for them, they hurt you. They won’t literally eat you, hopefully, but you get the point. It’s not a subtle metaphor.
[Matt]:
And some Mimics hurt more than others.
Back in 2003 we lived in Durham, North Carolina, and we had this dream of making movies in Hollywood. And most people thought our dream was impossible. We got a lot of pats on the back, some condescending smiles, “That’s cute, kid.”
But we had a plan to achieve our impossible dream. We were gonna go pack our bags, hit out to California, and attend a famous, prestigious film school with a history of alums that went on to achieve major success. Alums like Ron Howard, Robert Zemeckis, and George Lucas. Yes, I’m talking about USC [School of Cinematic Arts in California]
[crowd booing]
[Matt]:
And they rejected us! They rejected us, we didn’t even make the waitlist, okay? And it hurt, it hurt really bad. It made us feel like we weren’t good enough. That maybe those naysayers back home were right.
[Ross]:
And later on we wrote so many screenplays that we were positive would sell, and each one got the same response - No, no, no. We pitched our hearts out to board executives, who looked like they wanted to be anywhere else.
The Stranger Things pilot - the very one you see on screen - was rejected by twelve different studios, but then finally one studio liked the script and they wanted to finance it, the only problem is they weren’t sure about us directing it.
So they asked to watch a little film we made, called Hidden - a film we were really proud of. We gave it to them, they watched it, and then they said “Yeah, no, you can’t direct.” So it was another “No”, another bite. That one really hurt.
[Matt]:
And you know, sometimes it’s not about reaching for success. Sometimes it’s about reaching for someone’s love, reaching for someone’s approval, for connection. And you’ll frequently get bitten.
And every time it happens, it makes you want to curl up into a ball and cry. And it makes you want to stop reaching out.
But here’s the thing about the Mimic: It has a challenge rating of 2, out of 30! So it’s kind of a wimpy villain. But it’s still super dangerous, not because it’s gonna kill you, but because it makes you afraid to open the next chest.
[Ross]:
And some of those chests, they do have gold in them.
After we were rejected by USC we heard about a smaller, lesser known film school in Orange County called Chapman University.
[cheering]
[Ross]:
And Chapman not only let us in, they were excited to have us, and our experience here changed our lives. And when the studio told us we couldn’t direct Stranger Things, we walked away. Four days later, Netflix came knocking.
We can’t promise you the next chest you open will be gold, or that it’ll be Chapman or Stranger Things, but we can promise you this: If you stop opening them, you’ll never find out.
[Matt]:
Okay, that’s number one. Right. It gets increasingly difficult, okay? So, that’s easy.
The second monster we’re gonna talk about has a challenge rating of 2 also, but don’t be fooled - this is the most dangerous CR2 monster in the Monster Manual. It’s called the Will-o’-Wisp, okay?
So, as you’re wandering around the dungeon, you’re getting bitten by these nasty Mimics, you’re also going to get lost. It’s a maze, afterall, and there are no sign posts telling you where to go.
So you look around. You see spikes to your left, scattering of bones to your right, wet gurgling noises behind you, and none of this looks good.
But then you see a hazy, beautiful, blue-green flame dancing in the distance. This is the Will-o’-Wisp. Its light illuminates a clear, safe path forward. So naturally you go that way.
Turns out - it’s not a real path. It tricked you! The Will-o’-Wisp tricked you. And you drown or you fall into the pit of spikes, or you step onto an oddly aggressive frog.
That’s why the Wisp is dangerous - because it doesn’t try to kill you, it just leads you somewhere that will. So why’d you follow the light? Because you could see the damn path! It was safe, the least risky, or it seemed like it.
Something we’ve learnt the hard way is that the safest looking path is often the most dangerous one.
[Ross]:
So remember when I told you about all those rejected pitches and scripts, well that was the fault of the Will-o’-Wisp.
You see every producer we’ve met told us the same thing. They all wanted, this was a while ago, they wanted found footage movie, like paranormal activity. So this was the life for us, the shortcut to our dreams, and we diligently set to work on writing a found footage script.
But there was one problem - we didn’t really like found footage movies. But we kept trying anyway, and trying and trying.
And years later we had a script that didn’t work, we had serious credit card debt, and growing doubt [audio cuts off for a few seconds] …
We remember the phone call from our parents. They’d always been supportive of us, and they still were, but for the first time we detected real worry in their voices. It was clear, the realities of life were catching up to our dreams. If you can’t pay rent, well, maybe you have to come back home.
[Matt]:
Something about that phone call snapped us out of our daze. So we threw out our found footage script, made a hard pivot, and quickly wrote a script about something we love. And it wasn’t at all what the producers were looking for, but it was something that we, you know, we truly loved and related to. And guess what - the script sold.
At long last, we’ve made it out of the marsh. Years later when we came up with the idea for Stranger Things, we were told that it, too, would never sell. A period piece starring kids, that is not made for kids? Are you out of your f- mind? God, I’m struggling not to curse. At the same time,
[laughter]
you can fill it in.
At the same time we were offered a safe, cushy job to write a TV show for a big network. There it was again - the blue-grey-green flame, glowing, tempting, safe.
But we gave the Will-o’-Wisp the middle finger, hold up in our small apartment, and wrote Stranger Things. And guess what - those two things that we were told were major liabilities, the period piece 1980s setting and the kids? Those were exactly what made the show successful.
[Ross]:
In D&D the official tactic for fighting a Will-o’-Wisp is simple: ignore it. That’s it. But easier said than done. ‘Cause we followed the Will-o’-Wisp many other times over the years.
Sometimes it’s a career move, sometimes it’s a creative decision. Sometimes it’s more personal, involving a significant-- a relationship with a friend or a significant other. Sometimes we’d recognize we’re on the wrong path very quickly, sometimes it’d take months, and sometimes years.
And the longer you’re on the wrong path, the harder it is to get off it, because it means doing something hard, which is admitting that you’ve made a mistake.
[Matt]:
The best way to avoid the Will-o’-Wisp is to listen to the voice deep inside you. If you wake up in the middle of the night, or when you’re showering in the morning and something just feels off, trust that above all else.
And to the parents out there, who might be worrying right now, like ours did on that phone call - you’re not wrong.
We all know that sometimes taking a risk doesn’t pay off. Sometimes you fall into the spikes, or you step onto that angry frog. They’re called risks for a reason.
But to the graduates - we promise, if you take a risk and fail, it won’t destroy you. You will recover. But what can destroy you, what you end up regretting? Is taking no risks at all. That’s what the Will-o’-Wisp counts on. Not to dramatic failure, the slow drowning. So don’t fall for that.
[clapping]
[Ross]:
Alright, we got one more monster. This is it, this is the final boss. You might want to hold onto your caps, because - spoiler alert - this baddie is a CR (challenge rating) of 14 and it’s getting stronger every day. It’s called the Elder Brain.
It’s basically a giant brain floating in a vat of liquid, it’s pretty gross, but it’s not super intimidating at first. But here’s the thing: it’s not a single brain, it’s actually a soup made of hundreds of brains, liquified together into a single consciousness.
Every mind that has ever lived in this world has been absorbed into it. The individuals are gone. What remains is an average. It’s the annihilation of the self.
[Matt]:
We’ve been fighting the Elder Brain our whole lives.
It started pretty much as soon as we were conceived, actually. See, we were created out of the same egg, and just split into two. We’re twins, identical ones. And that one feature most defined our childhood.
Back in the 90s being a twin was pretty rare and we were the only ones at our school, and for the longest time we hated it. We were introverted and shy, and being an identical twin tends to attract attention.
Strangers would stare at us at the supermarket; worse, sometimes they would come up to speak to us, “If you’re punched in the shoulder, does he feel it?” No. [chuckles] No. “I don’t feel it, you idiot.”
All we wanted to do was fit in. We wanted to be just like everybody else. We wanted to join the Elder Brain.
[Ross]:
It took us a long time to realize that the parts of us we wanted to erase were in fact the most important parts to preserve.
Because they allowed us to experience the world in a different way than other people. To develop into unique individuals, it allowed us to tell stories specific to us and share this with the world.
So the more we leaned into what made us different, the more we rejected the call of the Elder Brain, the more successful and happier we became.
Now, it’d be naïve of us to say your fight with the Elder Brain will be like ours. It’ll be harder, much harder, because the world today is very different now than it was in 2007.
Shortly after we graduated, IPhone came out, then social media surged, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Tiktok. It all seemed so innocuous at first, not anymore.
And now there’s something else that all this is getting mapped onto - that dreaded two-letter acronym that’s getting boo-ed at every commencement speech across the country, AI.
[crowd booing]
[Matt]:
Okay, to return to the beginning of the speech. This area is where our generation really and truly screwed things up for you, because the machines, the feeds and the algorithms and the models control what you see and hear, feeding you the same crap that you guys call the slop.
Like the broadest possible stuff. Anything that’s weird or different or challenging or that, god forbid, might take a little bit of time to sink in, that surprising stuff that helped shape you into a unique individual, that goes out the window.
Your brains, our brains, are all being liquified and fed into the vat and it sucks.
So, how do you avoid brain liquification? I’m not talking 20 years ago, I’m talking now.
The truth is: we’re not sure. Anyone who says they are, is a charlatan, okay?
And honestly a lot of this is gonna fall on you to figure out, which is not fair, but it’s just the truth. But we think that, while the stakes are so much higher now, some of what we’ve learnt applies growing up.
You have to refuse the average. You have to be yourself. And that involves being vulnerable, and letting your freak flag fly.
[crowd applause]
[Ross]:
But the trap, right? Is that the more vulnerable you are, the higher is the risk of embarrassment - being called lame, a loser, cringe.
Matt and I, if you can believe it, have been called all those things and worse by thousands and thousands of people, and it always hurts, always. And the natural instinct is to recoil, to stop putting yourself out there, to self-censor, to throw yourself into the Brain vat.
But you can’t. Because the vat can make infinite versions of almost anything, with zero risk to itself.
But there’s one thing it can never make: It can never make you. The specific, weird, messy, embarrassing, cringe, one of a kind you.
The average can never be an individual. Because of that your individuality is the most valuable thing you’ll ever own. Don’t you dare flatten it.
[crowd applause]
[Matt]:
I agree. There are of course a lot more monsters out there, because the world is changing so fast, you’re gonna encounter ones that we never did. It’s going to be scary, hard and upsetting, but just like a game of D&D it can also be fun and rewarding - we don’t want to be too depressing. And, you know, to meet these challenges head on and conquer them.
And you don’t have to do it alone. In fact, you really shouldn’t. You need a party.
And maybe this party is made up of a boyfriend or a girlfriend, or a family that came to see you today, or maybe all of the above. The friends you made here at Chapman, right?
Whoever it is, you’re gonna need them, because everyone has their own unique strengths.
[Ross]:
Like maybe your companion’s a halfling, like a tiny human, and you reach a gate but it’s locked and there’s no way in, until you see a small hole and only they can fit through it. So they crawl through the hole, they pull a lever, the gate swings open and you’re in.
Or maybe you’re the halfling, and someone else is in your party, the warrior who carries a sword you can’t lift, or the cleric who can heal the poison from spider in your forearm, or the bard who can talk you out of trouble with goblins, or the wizard that--
[Matt]:
That’s enough, that’s enough. I think we’ve already achieved it. The nerdiest commencement speech ever. Have we achieved it?
[crowd applause]
[Matt]:
I just hope that professor Kowalski found it thematically coherent.
And I also hope it helps some of you too, because I have two little girls at home and I’m really scared for their future, because we’re on the frontlines of something major. And we don’t know exactly what it is, or what it’s going to look like.
And you’ll be challenged in every possible way. You’ll be bitten, you’ll be misled, you’ll see some of your friends get brain-liquified.
[Ross]:
But keep reaching, take risks, stay weird, find your party, grab your swords and get out there and start slaying.
i lied, it's done now. let me know if there's any issues.
[JOSH] Hey guys, how you doing? [ROSS] We are good! [MATT] Good! [JOSH] You’ve rested up – we were saying before, I feel like I did
plus some thoughts i had while transcribing this (under cut)
it upsets me that they sort of knew eddie would be very well-received, and yet they killed him off anyway. and his death was just so completely pointless and cruel.
i don't really get why they haven't just come out and straight up denied conformitygate or any theories like that if they're supposedly "done" with these characters. same with not confirming whether or not jane is still alive, because that makes it seem like they want to keep their foot in the door in case they ever do decide to revisit this story. but they've apparently been "adamant" about having no intention to continue with these characters or with hawkins/the upside down. so then, that also makes me wonder, what the hell is this spinoff supposed to be about? i'm preparing myself to be very disappointed.
the joke about them revealing the truth in twenty years pissed me off.
they mentioned that a lot of the props and things were given away to cast members. i wonder if they finally gave eddie's guitar to joe quinn, because joe had said in an interview that they wouldn't let him have it, but he really wanted it. (metallica gave him a replica of it, and they even signed it for him. great guys).
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some wheeler vs baxter kitchens layout similarities.
mike's basement vs nikki's garage layout that's also weirdly similar (aka the safe space and place for planning)
nikki and mike have the same boardgame on the shelf - "score five"
and it's interestingly mike has a different one in s4 - "score four"
plus mike's basement vs secret laboratory (how mike's basement in s5 lead holly and max to vecna's memories of holly. and possibly hiding in general (of El, memories, secrets!) - and the secret lab was literally hidden from sight, until something escaped!)
the queen wanted the creatures to come back to her? signal better from the basement ? wsqk radio hint!
Mindy:
Oh, yeah, we play the biggest hits on the Squawk [chicken sound] and we’re beaming our signal all across this town. But for some reason, Hawkins, we’ve still got a little bit of that static on the line. Must be that weird weather coming in. But it’s coming in fast. So, hey, if your reception drops - the basement, that’s the best place you’re gonna honker down. Get that good signal down there, okay? So while you make your move downstairs, keep it locked to WSQK.
(it's where el could find a way to contact Will in the upside down. signal.)
...which again reminds me of spying
(notice the spores, which weren't in the void before, nor in the school where mike and the others were hiding).
Smth smth the scene where the anniversary effect, a thing that causes people to act out, is first mentioned only being a couple scenes before we see the Wheeler dinner scene where Mike is getting in trouble for acting out...
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Jonathan explains that he loves photography because people don't say much,but you can see the truth in their faces. He's not someone who gives dramatic speeches,he expresses himself through images.
Mike is similar. He has never been poetic in casual conversation and always used his story telling as a way to express himself. Him being straightforward about his identity in a casual conversation says a lot about his character.
Guys, is it still woke and feminist to claim the female main character of a show (that had ample screen time and multiple personal arcs) was actually UNDERDEVELOPED because my yaoi ship didn’t get together and she didn’t act like my fanon doormat characterization of her??? Because I felt smart when I said it
One of the biggest flaws of the show is how El barely spends time with the party,but the entire show in general has problem with this cause emotional scenes between the party are barely there after S1.
The truth is bylers wouldn't be saying all these things about El if Mike and Will ended up together. So many things they're saying are incredibly tone deaf. By saying El is disgrace as a character to feminism,that she represents born sexy yesterday trope,that she's a manic pixie girl...
Mind you they're all saying this about a little girl who started this show while she was only 12. A little girl doesn't represent a trope where a grown woman is highly sexualized by a grown man who uses her. Mike is also just a kid which bylers forget while they keep comparing him to grown ass abusers. Which i don't even understand why they ship byler in the first place if they think so low of him. El is not a manic pixie girl, she's not quirky or bubbly,she doesn't exist as a plot device for Mike's arc,her character arc has always been significant every season and had the biggest screentime.
The main problem with bylers is that's how they see El,as an extension of Mike cause apparently she's the reason why Mike can't be with Will(even though i don't even think she's the reason,but that's the way they see it). It's not who El actually is,but that's the way bylers only see her. As Mike's love interest,as someone who's with Mike while they wanted the main boy to be with their self-insert
Not "The Character did nothing wrong" or "The Character is irredeemably awful" but a secret third thing: The Character may display moments of deep love & compassion, may even have a strong sense of ethics, and may also be capable of brutal cruelty that is irreconcilable with those traits. The constant tension between the different sides of The Character's nature is exactly what makes them compelling, and attempting to reduce them down to simply "a terrible person" or "innocent & misunderstood" is missing the point of the questions a media with nuanced characters is asking you to consider
i can't believe vecna had the ability to know both el and will loved mike and therefore could weaken them by attacking him and then decided to take holly instead like talk about a stupid ass villain who put this boring guy in charge
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One thing about the SNL sketch that everyone got mad about is that I learned 1 thing...the demogorgon's face shape is meant to represent vaginal imagery...imagery related to the monsters then could correctly be identified as vaginal imagery...wtf does that say about Mike wearing that monster shirt exactly?
I noticed that more than ever before there is a certain tendency to include the characters expecting someone to have a gender and then it turns out that said someone does not, in fact, have this gender, with the most insane ones having to do with Henry, Vecna, One and The mindflayer. We have repeatedly been told that the mindflayer is a 'He' for some reason, but then we get a lot of subtext that suggests a different story. I did not even include the vaginal imagery of the UD as greater minds have touched it in length, but Mothergate is still one of the most positively insane things for me and this post by @henrysglock is a must read if this intrigues you.
vs the Mindflayer being as of the new WSQK referred to with a female name (Mindy Flare lol) and as a queen etc (seen in @krokodilsredimudil post and the masterpost of it taken from here)
Noteworthy mentions from the play is the Mindflayer appearing in the form of Patty and her mother, both female characters, in The First Shadow, to deliver actual messages to Henry about its intentions etc instead of just being a scary vision. and also Henry being shown 'trying on' his mother's dress.
(This is Mindflayer Patty, appearing in the beginning as real Patty only to reveal...itself? Herself? As the Shadown and start tearing its hair apart. Fun times.)
Long story short, they are leaving it on the floor and I am picking it up, we are all picking it up, but we don't have a single clue what it all means. One thing is for sure, this trans subtext is not accidental and I am absolutely here for whatever it means for the story.
Hmm i wonder which character has gender fuckery and has numerous hints he's more connected to supernatural plot than it seems. And let's not forget him wearing demogorgon sweater with vaginal imagery in entire s5. Maybe there was a deeper meaning behind him being called Tammy.
In second ep El is wearing Mike's clothes, girl who looks like a boy hidden in his closet while his mom says he doesn't have to hide anything.
Mike being behind El who's experiencing girlhood for the first time,but it's him shaping it cause that's what he wishes to be.
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