There are so many important little character-building moments for Letstat this season. Just in the last episode alone:
he patiently listened to salamander's awful song, than gave some constructive criticism to TC and then ended up making an actual song out of it.
he readily welcomed alex back and was very warm and gentle in his words with him when he could have been annoyed.
he obviously deeply appreciates and respects christine and how she runs things, enough to ask for her help in the interview.
that small moment where fareed corrected him was really sweet and shows that he respects his opinion and doesn't mind being corrected (and was very empathetic about his mother).
Idk, I just remember while reading the books last year: god I really hope we get to see the way he's actually quite endeared to others, and the way he loves people and gets life from them. He's not this cold, unfeeling monster who only uses people (and what else are we to conclude from a tale told by someone who thought they should hate him? It's understandable, but it's time to move on).
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“they are overdoing the incest it’s so unnecessary” nope they’re just taking us through lestat realizing he is being abused and being unable to stop it!
ep 1: feeling lonely, he seeks her out all ep as he literally spirals bc of drugs.
ep 2: speaks of her fondly, doesn’t really address how abusive she was as a human. gabi in present day crosses his boundaries and he blames it on both of them.
ep 3: lestat recalls how cruel she was in the past with nicki, and she punishes him for setting the no sex boundary by fucking jarda loudly to humiliate him. he becomes upset with her.
ep 4: she has left him again likely as a punishment for leaving her after the interview, triggering his abandonment issues (which she caused). he recalls more of her coldness and we see the first time he’s coerced into having sex with her to earn her love.
then we see him actually confront her about it when he says “why do you come back? why don’t you let me hate you?” (like he tried to the first time they had sex after he brought up that she touched him inappropriately when they were still human) and just like before, she just ignores his distress and he find he is still so powerless in their dynamic.
idk it’s not unnecessary when it shapes literally every part of lestat’s personality. ppl say they’re depicting it badly when this is one of the few shows i’ve seen depict incest as what it is: abuse. mfs out here watching house of the dragon where incest is like…. normalized… but a show actually taking you through a victim understanding he was abused is too much?
Everyone talking about how cruel the song is, pitying Armand or enjoying his suffering, but brother actually didn't hear a thing. And good for him honestly.
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There are so many important little character-building moments for Letstat this season. Just in the last episode alone:
he patiently listened to salamander's awful song, than gave some constructive criticism to TC and then ended up making an actual song out of it.
he readily welcomed alex back and was very warm and gentle in his words with him when he could have been annoyed.
he obviously deeply appreciates and respects christine and how she runs things, enough to ask for her help in the interview.
that small moment where fareed corrected him was really sweet and shows that he respects his opinion and doesn't mind being corrected (and was very empathetic about his mother).
Idk, I just remember while reading the books last year: god I really hope we get to see the way he's actually quite endeared to others, and the way he loves people and gets life from them. He's not this cold, unfeeling monster who only uses people (and what else are we to conclude from a tale told by someone who thought they should hate him? It's understandable, but it's time to move on).
It’s not really about Lestat being worse or the only bad one, just the fact people are trying to deny that there was abuse in their relationship. I mean, we can discuss Louis’s abuse of Claudia, Armand’s abuse of Louis, Daniel being at least an absent father and so on. Everyone is aware that these characters are bad people who do bad things to each but But I don’t like how people are shifting all the blame onto Louis (at least on twitter) and how it seems like they are entirely dismissing Lestat’s involvement in their strained relationship. Unreliable narration can be a good thing in a narrative, but treating everything a character says or does like a lie or fabrication unless it fits a specific context is not. Under the context of Lestat being completely blameless in their relationships failure, it makes the first two seasons and the events within them pointless. It also makes Louis a less complicated character. At least that’s how I see it, but I’m still reading the books so maybe there’s stuff in there to explain lol.
I don't think you'll find much explanation in the books, because nothing of the magnitude that was S1E5 happens in the books. 😅
Because the thing is Louis' account was canonically dismissed as lies, and the show is following that canon. There was a time when I thought they wouldn't due to the violence in S1E5, but S3 has proven that they very much are still following the book canon there. Granted they've softened Louis' lies via the Talamasca edits and the Armand brainwashing, but the layer of Louis deliberately misrepresenting certain events still exists amongst the softening, and they've made it worse by having Louis lie to Lestat's face for years by not having Louis tell Lestat that the book was even a thing.
The main issue is because they did something as horrific as the fight/drop with the racial implications without considering the ramifications of when they would (essentially) walk it back. Or maybe they did consider it and just didn't care. I don't know. All I know is that mess is the problem in this fandom, has always been the problem, and never should've happened, but the fact remains Lestat was framed as the ultimate "abuser" in S1 and now it's time for the book canon moment of when that depiction is walked back and it becomes "actually Louis lied to hide his own culpability."
And like I said, because of what they did in S1, people are taking issue with it, and I do understand that. It was the absolute worst mistake the show could've made, and it continues to cause problems and has damaged Lestat's character as a result.
But it is what it is and after 4 years of having this same argument over and over, I'm just very tired of having to rehash how it got to this point and what the writers are doing with it, whether we agree with the choice or not, because the show is doing what it's doing (Episode 5 will be a doozy), and I'm just here in a state of apathetic acceptance, because we literally cannot do zilch about it.
To date, the S1E5 mess is still my biggest issue with the show, and I don't think anything will ever top the magnitude of how grave that mistake was. All of the fandom bullshit could've been avoided if it wasn't for that episode.
I never see people saying Lestat has never done anything wrong. I think it just feels that way because the show is daring to say that maybe SOME of what Louis said is a lie. That doesn't mean people are saying everything he's ever said is a lie, just that it's time to face the lies that DO exist! Doesn't mean Lestat didn't do the other fucked up shit?? But it does mean we're giving Lestat the benefit of the doubt in SOME cases (just like Louis got the consistent benefit of the doubt for 2 seasons).
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I agree with the people that is saying that every episode that has sexual scenes between Gabrielle and Lestat needs to have a warning at the beginning about sexual abuse. And the fact they only put it for Magnus it says a lot about how the team behind sees Gabrielle and Lestat relationship and how they think because Lestat isn't trashing and screaming then it's a lesser abuse and it isn't treated with the same care.
Based on how Virginia said she hoped they included a warning before episode 3 I'm guessing screeners didn't have warnings when they sent out the episodes and it was added after, probably after some feedback. I doubt someone has said something considering the lack and even the jokes some critics have made about the incest and abuse. Considering that they plan to show more explicit scenes between those two at least in the next episode there is still time to do things right.
The warnings for incest are included in the show's category:
Gothic Horror
There is no need to put up warnings for that.
You, we are all getting what the show is SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
The trigger warnings for rape were added to the show likely on feedback, yes.
a lack of trigger warnings says nothing about how the writers feel about the incest plotline. their WRITING is what shows us how they feel about the plotline, and that writing is handling it with more care and nuance than I have EVER seen a show attempt to do.
in season one lestat killed that opera singer for not being a tenor and now in season three he’s sitting patiently and listening as his band plays that shitty song to him oh lestat de lionkind lestat de growthcourt
So I saw this screencap from the review/recap above and got so pissed off about it that I wrote a whole response.
Let's start things off with a few disclosures: I have never taken a journalism class. I have a loose grasp on grammar that gets looser when I like the vibes of a run-on sentence and tighter when I see clear copyediting errors from international news conglomerates. I have no background in criticism other than watching Ratatouille.
With that out of the way, I can begin with a question, which is as follows: When did sincere, serious engagement with media get steamrolled in favor of TikTok-speak-laden, millennial irony masquerading as Gen Z nihilism, poorly copyedited and under-researched recaps that read like an over-drafted Twitter thread? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for utilizing new slang and turns of phrase in journalistic writing. It's 2026! You're writing about a TV show, not submitting a paper to an academic journal. I'm also not saying that reviews need to be serious analysis, necessarily. I realize that sounds contradictory. I don't think it is. You could write a 5,000 word masterfully-composed thinkpiece on one singular scene or a bullet-point list of plot and character beats – my issue is not with the type or the format of content. The issue here is that many of the pieces I have read don't respect the art of what the authors are engaging with enough to meet it on the level it is trying to speak to them on.
Maybe I'm judging too harshly, and the authors of such pieces are simply adopting the sort of voice that makes screenshots from their articles go viral. It's not a bad strategy if all you care about is hits, and I don't want to put blame for that on the authors. I'm sure the editors and the higher-ups are at fault for much of the tone of this questionable content. But I think we should take a step back and question how we talk about a show that is handling extremely heavy topics that are deeply personal to many viewers in an unflinching, skilled, carefully-crafted way, and ask ourselves whether this is really what we want to be flippant about, and whether there is a point where flippancy crosses the line from a cheeky audience-relational tone to genuine (if unintended) disrespect towards the creative team who made the show what it is.
Case in point: calling Lestat a goo-goo eyed simp. I like Lestat as a character, obviously, but this is such a mind-boggling tone deaf description of him in this scene that it makes me physically angry. Let’s step back and analyze what’s happening in this scene, shall we?
Lestat and Gabriella, who are son and mother and maker and fledgling, are traveling together after leaving Paris in the flashback
In the present day, Gabriella has left. She does not answer her phone or most text messages that Lestat sends her. This sends Lestat into a spiral, shown both by the excellent score from Daniel Hart and the chaotic editing of the party scene, with quick-fire flashbacks and the appearance of the muses.
In the beach scene flashback, Gabriella is telling Lestat that she wants to be pure evil, and Lestat is reluctantly going along with her future desires because he wants to be with her.
That’s the best I can do for a bare-bones analysis of the character dynamics and relevant plot points here. You may notice one very glaring omission. That is the revelation of the “start” of their incestuous sexual relationship as vampires. It informs so much of the later beach scene flashback, and it is incredibly harrowing to watch.
In the scene, we see Lestat confront Gabriella as she is in the middle of sex with a priest. He tells her he could hear her through the walls. It’s immediately obvious that the scene in the previous episode, where Gabriella leaves in the middle of Lestat’s interview — just when he’s getting into the story of Nicki, a clearly painful and vulnerable moment — to have extremely loud sex with Jarda, Lestat’s body double (whom she asks to put on the Lestat wig before meeting her in the bathroom) is a parallel. At the time, we understood this as a response to Lestat setting the boundary of not having sex with Gabriella. This episode, it's clear that this it also must have triggered the memory we're seeing play out now.
Gabriella kills the man, and Lestat gets more or less to the point: when Gabriella tended his wounds (and sexually assaulted him) back when they were both human, they were mother and son. Sam Reid's powerhouse performance makes it obvious that this is something Lestat has been struggling with for some time. Lestat knows that it was wrong then, and, crucially, he knows it is wrong now. Gabriella may feel untethered from the role of wife, mother, and woman by vampirism, but Lestat is unable to sever his relationship from her as his mother, a relationship already severely muddied by the sexual abuse we both saw on-screen and hear later in this episode when Lestat sings "By candlelight/You used to teach me how to kiss," a line seemingly about Gabriella and their shared history. Vampirism is not going to undo the years of sexual abuse he had to go through with his mother, who he describes as cold and emotionally witholding, or unentangle what must be a deeply confusing relationship to sex, being sexually desired, emotional closeness, love, and parent-child relationships. It is a deeply, deeply fucked-up relationship. Gabriella's answer to Lestat trying to confront her about the incest is one word: "And?"
And then follows a scene that, for me, was more difficult to watch than Magnus' rape of Lestat. Gabriella whispers "I love you." We watch Lestat's face, tightly framed by the shot and by shadow, as he struggles against tears and loses. Gabriella repeats it, and Lestat, looking lost and extremely distraught, kisses her. The camera focuses on his face in the following two shots of them having sex. His expression is pained. We hear the sound of waves crashing on the shore, foreshadowing the scene on the beach. This is the price of Gabriella's love. This is what he has to do to keep her with him. And, in the scene just before she leaves him, we see that even this is not enough.
The showrunner, Rolin Jones, was quoted as saying that they aren't portraying the incestuous relationship just to portray it or for shock value (sorry for the clumsy paraphrase, Rolin). This relationship, and this abuse, is fundamental for understanding why Lestat is the way he is in the present moment, why he does the things he does, why he acts the way he acts, and why he makes the choices he makes. The show is handling an extremely difficult topic with unflinching understanding of the impact this sort of abuse has on survivors, and I think it should be lauded for not trying to shy away from or soften what happens between Gabriella and Lestat. They're showing it as Lestat remembered and experienced it. They aren't letting us look away from the monstrosity of it all. Are you uncomfortable? Good. You're supposed to be.
With all of that in mind, I want to return to the "goo-goo eyed simp" description of Lestat. My issue with this is much larger than any read of his character. Yes, I know this is a show about vampires, and yes, Lestat is a larger-than-life hurricane full of modern slang, quips about current trends, and pronunciations of words that I'm pretty sure have never been spoken before. I wouldn't be surprised if he calls himself a goo-goo eyed simp at some point. That's not what pisses me off. What pisses me off is the complete and utter refusal to meet the show where it stands.
To me, characterizing Lestat in this scene as a goo-goo eyed simp who will "go along with whatever mommy wants, as long as they're together" and describing Gabriella's reaction to his drawing of a wedding ring in his blood around her finger as giving her, "the ickiest vamp alive! [...] the ick" isn't just a two-for-one example of slang-based humor not landing – it's dismissive of the entire character arc of the episode in a way that feels genuinely disrespectful to everyone involved. It's like the reviewer/recapper equivalent of scrolling through reels while your friend tries to tell you a story, and only half-heartedly chiming in to make fun of them for mispronouncing a word or ask a question about a minor detail that has very little to do with what the story means to them. It reads as though the author doesn't care enough to pay attention to the show to keep track of what's actually going on (Gabriella wants to be free from everything and everyone! She wants to lean fully into the evil side of vampirism! She knows Lestat's heart isn't in it and that he will always be a reminder of her mortal past and of her ties to the world! That's why she leaves! Not because she gets the fucking ick! This is a fundamental part of her character!!).
You can have different opinions on this show and what it is trying to accomplish than I do. But even most of the bad-faith criticisms I've seen about TVL are preferable to this shallow, dismissive style of review. They, at least, engage with the show from the view that it is trying to say something.
This form of summary – reducing incredibly complex relationships and dynamics down to things like "getting the ick" and "simping" – is a blatant refusal to engage with the show at all. And while I can acknowledge that comedy has its place in critique, you need to actually understand what you're writing about to be funny about it. The best jokes are funny because they're true. The worst ones, in my opinion, are written like they're intended to be quote tweeted. What you lose when you refuse the hand the creative team behind this show holds out to you is both the opportunity to be emotionally moved by a story and the respect of your audience.
In conclusion I didn't read the article because I'm not fucking paying to unlock the paywall so this is all based off approx 2 sentences total but i think its deserved. bye
"The show is handling an extremely difficult topic with unflinching understanding of the impact this sort of abuse has on survivors, and I think it should be lauded for not trying to shy away from or soften what happens between Gabriella and Lestat. They're showing it as Lestat remembered and experienced it. They aren't letting us look away from the monstrosity of it all. Are you uncomfortable? Good. You're supposed to be."
Holy shit, so well said. And this is why it irks me when I see people say "this is so gross and weird i'm sick of seeing it ugh" with NO attempt at understanding WHY it's being shown (no it's not bad writing when you feel uncomfy seeing an active sexually abusive relationship). I have never seen a show do this before. Incest is so "taboo" that only fantasy shows typically go there and it's never treated as abuse, it's just something "fucked up" that happens more often in the world of that show (GOT, etc)
But this show is exploring exactly what it would mean for the child in the relationship, no matter how old they are.
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Hi, I noticed your story has conflict in it, and I was wondering why you didn't just write people who are right doing everything correctly with a note saying "I enthusiastically co-sign everything in this story"? Must be some kind of mistake haha