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I’ve changed most of my views on AI bc of your posts, but do you have any thoughts on/remedies for people losing their jobs to AI? Or is it a “people are gonna lose their jobs one way or another, it’s not actually AI’s fault” kind of deal…? Sorry if you’ve already talked about this before
there's somethign that riley quinn from the trashfuture podcast keeps saying -- "if your job can be replaced by AI, it was already being done by AI". which is to say, that jobs most at risk from AI replacement are ones that were borderline automated anyway. like, i say this as someone who used to write, not for the website buzzfeed itself, but buzzfeed-adjacent Slop Content for money -- i was already just the middlewoman between the SEO optimization algorithm and the google search algorithm. those jobs vanishing primarily means that middlewoman role has been cut, computers can tell other computers to write for computers.
& similarly this is why i keep saying that, e.g. stock photographers are at risk from this, because the ideal use case for generative AI content is stuff where the actual content or quality of the image/text doesn't matter, all that matters is its presence. and yknow, living in a world where many people's livelihoods were dependent on writing and art that is fully replacable by inane computer drivel is itself indicative of something about culture under capitalism, right?
& to some degree, like i'm always saying, the immiseration of workers by advancement in technology is a universal feature of capitalism -- i recommend you read wage labour & capital to see how this phenomenon has persisted for well over a century. it's simply nothing new -- like, the stock photographers who are most at risk from this already are already employed in an industry that itself decimated in-house illustration; think about how any dime-a-dozen reomance novel you can pick up at a store nowadays has a hastily photoshopped stock photo cover when fifty years ago it would have had a bespoke cover illustration that an artist got paid for.
of course, none of that historical overview is like, comforting to people who are currently worried about their lives getting worse, and i get that -- for those people, workplace organization and industrial action is the only realistic and productive avenue to mobilize those fears. the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes produced far more material concessions on gen-AI-based immseration for workers facing precarity than any amount of furious social media ludditism has
The thing is you really don't want to be a luddite in this situation even taking that into an account because they didn't achieve the things they were trying to. With two hundred years of hindsight we can safely say that the war against automating textile factories was won by automation, handily. It's not really buying into the lie to recognize it as a failed attempt to resist the automation of labor and to prevent "unskilled workers" from oversaturating their industries. Even if you genuinely think that automation lowering the barrier of entry for certain fields is a universally bad thing, and your priority is protecting the economic standing of skilled laborers within that field, why appeal to the legacy of a movement that didn't actually manage to do any of that?
Your point about automation of labor would have landed if it weren't for the fact that you obviously bought the lies of AI bros about its significance in terms of technological development.
Buddy, it's an environmentally destructive brute force algorithm that feed upon plagiarized data and can't produce a coherent documentation pathway of its processes or parameters. That by itself, makes it completely useless in collaborative projects or ones rhat need a lot of fine tuning and different development iterations.
This is why as an engineer I'm ALWAYS against the use of AI crap because the reality that most of y'all would never need to use it, and yet you cram that shit everywhere unnecessarily. Are you optimizing robotics controllers? Are you doing path finding algorithms? No? Then no, it's useless. You are chasing after the latest shiniest thing just like those capitalists with more money than sense.
Machine learning is best used to add finishing touches to an already developed main mechanism. But you idiots want it to be the substance itself. The best way to describe it is that nearly ALL of you are trying to making a shoe out of shoe polish.
If this is truly the scope of your application of AI, then please for the love of the environment, just stop it altogether. It's not the latest technology development. It's the latest grift. Stop falling for it.
I think there's some issues with this post that are like, table stakes for even being a part of the conversation
it's less environmentally destructive for someone to talk to chatgpt 24/7 for a year than to eat 1 burger. yes to local communities too, not just in ghg. training a *frontier* model in the first place is about as ecologically costly as regular light car usage for a year. these costs are both going down per unit of work btw, not up
who cares about copyright. are you serious? are you for real? "plagiarized" oh no someone right click downloaded my art! you are not selling nfts. if you are, lol
coherent documentation pathways are likely possible but why, in a competitive market determined largely by model performance, would any company training their models reveal their training data? you are criticizing company secrets, at which point, you should be criticizing IP and the market. what you are criticizing has basically no relation to AI at all
I don't know about you but I like it when I can communicate intent to the computer and have it spit out diffs that make my intent happen irl. and when I'm employed, 90% of my time pre-AI was communicating and establishing intent shared across multiple teams. now that I have AI, 99% of my time is spent communicating and establishing intent shared across multiple teams. wow!
I build programs out of text and you'll never guess what the second l in llms stands for
if this is truly about the love of the environment then stop eating meat and join vegan advocacy groups to regulate animal product industries out of business
a few days ago someone told me that i was "draining the amazon rainforest" trying to get chatgpt to draw my fursona. which i thought was pretty dumb because i actually live within walking distance of the amazon river and that isnt whats happening. in fact we do not have to worry about not having enough water here in the rainforest because it is a rainforest. and the region is actually threatened by rising water levels not falling one. and the modern history of the region starts with something called the "rubber holocaust" which is when yanks decided to come here to steal rubber to build their car industry. so i thought it was pretty stupid. that a yank was trying to blame me for all that
in fact indigenous people of the amazon have, with some credibility, been calling for a greater role in the development of AI technologies to the extent that its one of the things being discussed at the upcoming climate conference that's going to happen here in two months, because indigenous people of the amazon are not anarcho-primitivists they're just people who have mostly experienced industrialisation as something they die over while foreigners benefit and they want to change that. the amazon is a great place for a data centre if it went through the proper channels (of tribal consent) because there is plenty of water and if theres jobs involved other than being hereditary debt slaves (as is the norm in the region) well that's even better right.
yeah, i know nobody who says shit like that has done their research at all. i know that they literally do not value the lives of people who live here at all. i knooowwwwwwwww
heres some stuff that actually damages the amazon
the people here (myself included) live in egregious poverty and industrial development in brasil is as uneven as it is stunted, which means the north is in practical terms reliant on extremely inefficient methods of shipping which generate plastic packaging like this that goes nowhere. this is just the stuff i saw today on my walk back from physiotherapy. i didn't think to get a picture but i also saw an industrial crane shovel vehicle just scooping black sludge out of the river at one point. but oh why don't we have industrial development? well mostly because of the multiple US-backed coups
the point is, if there were actual industry here that would actually be less polluting than this insane level of straightforwardly colonial dependance on export of raw materials and import of industrial products which is the actual status quo here. this forest is not an untouched nature zone land-without-a-people for yankee colonisers to use in their reactionary primitivist arguments. it is a mess that needs modern economic management as much as anywhere on earth
yknow one of the reasons i am so adamant about the genai stuff is that, yknow, to me, if someone goes all-in on the moral panic--not, like, makes legitimate and honest criticisms of how evil all the companies involved are, or how they mistreat the workers in the global south necessary to make their product, or their deceptive and outright malicious marketing, but, like, starting twitter pile-ons against random indie devs for using it for background assets and calling it the death of art and the herald of cognitive degeneration--it indicates to me that they've only opposed other moral panics not because of any set of consistent political or analytical principles, but by sheer brute chance of being on the nasty end of them
Can we call ai "artists" "prompters" please
Like we got clanker, wire back, chrome head for robots, we don't have a good one for people who use ai </3
Cogsuckers and Robolovers are two that I’ve heard
Can you asshats spend 10 seconds thinking about why you have so much fun thinking of slurs you get to use. The slurs these are based on affect real people. You people are fucking weird.

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when talking about AI remember the different versions:
Analytical AI, is the one that can detect cancer and save lives
Generative AI is the one that steals art to make it worse, and gives you a wrong answer every time you google something
Weird Al is the one who got his ponysona to canonically have children with a pony from my little pony
analytical AI is also the one that the police and insurance companies use to profile people against arbritary data to justify mistreatment
generative AI is also used in drug discovery technologies that can also save lives
complex technologies cannot simply be decried as good or evil
Weird Al does in fact have the only ponysona who has canoninically fucked
also: art theft is not real. training on images is not stealing in any way. stop worshipping IP law, you'll never be Walt Disney.
ART THEFT ISN’T REAL???? what kind of abhorrent take is this dude like
it isn't. nothing is deprived from you if stable diffusion trains off your drawing. additionally, did you get mad enough over just that reblog to misgender me or do you misgender trans women casually in general?
Using this methodology, we estimate the median Gemini Apps text prompt uses 0.24 watt-hours (Wh) of energy, emits 0.03 grams of carbon dioxide equivalent (gCO2e), and consumes 0.26 milliliters (or about five drops) of water
https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/infrastructure/measuring-the-environmental-impact-of-ai-inference
please stop blaming individual proletarians for environmental harm
AI and the Left: going after the wrong target
“The things you criticize AI for is stuff most of your tech does” is not whataboutism for a simple reason: AI literally is built into the same industry as the rest of the tech you use, bc it’s the tech industry. Thus, trying to reject AI alone for what is essentially a product of a hyper capitalist tech industry is functionally useless.
For example, it’s very reasonable to be concerned about the new Twitter data center that’s poisoning Memphis right now, and single out the LLM, grok, as a source of it. However, generating an image using locally run stable diffusion does literally nothing to contribute to this. Conversely, using Twitter without using grok absolutely contributes to the polluting Memphis. If we try to simply boycott AI entirely and nothing else, we still contribute to that data center. However, if we single out Twitter/X as a company, then we can actually have an effective boycott.
If your problem is the environmental cost of all data centers, and you single out AI as the source, but still continue to stream video (ie Netflix, YouTube, TikTok etc), use social media, etc, you are still contributing to the stuff that’s at least 90% of current datacenter output. I know this is news to people but data centers didn’t just. Suddenly become a problem post-AI.
People pointing this out are not being contrarian for no reason. Current anti-AI thinking has done literally zero for actually combatting the issues we need to care about, because a lot of these problems go beyond AI. This is the tech equivalent of banning straws.
The point of this isn’t to go “oh and yet you participate in society…interesting”. The point of this is to show how you need to be thinking systemically about these issues beyond the superficial shit you hear in op-eds and tweets, which by the way, frequently misreport the actual data/info regarding the situation.
You want actually effective movements that combat the tech industry? Check out notechforapartheid and BDS’s tech boycott list.
question wdym by being against ai from a labor perspective? or critical of it? as in, in opposition to from a property perspective. i cant remember your exact phrasing but would you mind elaborating? youve totally overhauled my opinion of ai over the course of several months so i would be gery interested in ur reply ❤️
i am differentiating between criticisms of genAI that relate to the concerns of workers: how it is integrated into workplaces, who might become unemployed because of it, who might have their work deskilled and get paid less because of it, who is mistreated and exploited in its creation -- and criticisms of genAI that relate to the concerns of the bourgeoise: ie its inadequate respect for property rights or perceived property rights.
like, if you are a socialist, right, you need to be class conscious: your politics should be class politics, invested in furthering the interests of the proletariat as a whole and recognizing that the proletariat and the bourgeoisie are fundamentally opposed. the fundamental divide under capitalism is this divide, the divide between those who sell their labour to survive and those who profit off their property -- as such, taking a 'pro' or 'anti' AI stance that's blind to this divide is a liberal trap, because material and class analysis of the situation requires the ability to differentiate between those concerned with the technology's impact on their lives as labourers and those concerned with the technology's impact on their private property

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Nothing in the world feels as unjust as the fate of the Disco Elysium developers.
Imagine you build this in-depth fictional setting over the course of decades with your friends, and then decide to turn it into a game for fun. You end up creating one of the most celebrated and well-written RPGs of all time and become celebrated for reviving a dying genre.
A few months later, you're fired from the company you founded for criticizing the new direction its taking. The company has the copyright not only to the game you made, but literally everything in the world of the game, which spans decades of lore you built for no profit with your group of friends.
Like, this is a nightmare that I didn't even know existed before I ran into it. To have, what is essentially a passion project that branched off from a TTRPG campaign, be pulled from your hands by a corporate entity that only yearns to abuse your creation for maximum profit. I couldn't imagine myself going on creating anything after that.
I am once again reminding people that the only thing that can steal an original work from a creator is IP Law.
Yeah there's valid critique of A.I. but it certainly doesn't lie in the realm of defending I.P. and worrying about small artists losing 'potential' profit
Especially when the alternative people present is 'why not just exploit people in the global south for cheap labor instead? Then the work will have value, as it is ensouled.' do you people hear yourselves
AI isn't making people stupider, it is just enabling humanity's innate laziness to take over. People who use AI for everything didn't like to think to begin with, they just never had a way to delicate their brain activity to someone else in a socially acceptable way. The only reason they apeared smart to you before was because they didn't want to look stupid to you.
I think we need to just accept the fact that most of humanity just wants wall-e, they want matrix, they want to lie in a pod that takes care of their every need and beams shitty tv shows into their brain while pumping them full of heroin. To some people, probably most, that isn't a dystopian image, it looks like heaven.
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i can’t explain how badly it pmo when people accuse writers of using ai just because they’re actually good at writing and use tools (like em dashes for examples) that may not be as commonly used anymore. why are we witch hunting writers instead of attacking the actual problem
these witch hunts are an inevitable result of targeting AI consumers for your anti-AI activism
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I'm really not apologetic with this hard stance, either. I'm very firm on this, too. My art has already been used, twice now by people who did not ask my permission, so they could "enhance it" with Gen AI. I really see nothing good coming from generative AI except poor excuses for laziness and glorified search engines that don't work.
This is an important time to make the distinction between generative and analytical AI. Analytical AI is what AI is supposed to be for. It’s all the boring stuff like analyzing data for patterns. For example, you probably heard about that AI that was designed to tell apart bear claws from croissants for a bakery that is now being used to detect cancer cells with greater accuracy than human doctors. That’s an analytical AI, while everything mentioned in the post above is generative AI. (Which sucks!)
#you’re starving our artists and killing our planet
the people using AI are not doing this. using AI is carbon-equivalent with using google search or texting your friends. Watching netflix is ~10-20x more energy intensive than using AI. training AI is relatively (vs using it) energy-intensive, but it's also nowhere near many other, much less useful industries (crypto mining, animal agriculture, war, automobile/roads, golf, american football, football, etc). Meta's Llama 3 series of AI was trained using 11,390 tons CO2 (equivalent). For comparison, *just car use* in California generates 323,276 tons of CO2 *per day.* So, at the equivalent of *one day, of one state's use of gas, solely for single occupant vehicles,* you can train 30 Llama 3's. Llama 3 was also one of the more expensive models to train out there; Deepseek, for example, used less than half that much energy.
Eating one (1) pound of steak is equivalent to more than a month's worth of average ChatGPT use. Driving your car to work for 15 minutes is just as bad.
"Analytical AI" is the same technology as ChatGPT. It's the same underlying math, it's the same computational intensity, it's the *same thing.* Drawing a distinction between "analytical" and "generative" AI is literally nonsensical.
To be crystal clear, I do think artists should be paid more. My problem with this chain is that you are angry at the wrong targets. Why are you upset at the consumer? I don't eat meat, but I don't get mad at people who do, because they aren't the ones making superprofits by torturing, raping, and murdering sapient beings. Omnivores are simply doing what's normal and convenient in their society. When someone uses C.AI or ChatGPT, they are doing what is normal. There is push back, but this technology is here to stay. Why? I can run (an equivalent to) ChatGPT on my laptop without an internet connection. How do you stop that?
What do you want, politically?
Stronger copyright? This will only hurt you, the artist. Do you, @thankyourluckystars13, want to be able to continue making Legend of Zelda artwork? It's beautiful, I'm really happy I live in a world where I get to see your art. A future where AI is litigated due to copyright will prevent you from doing this.
Destruction of AI? I can run ChatGPT on my laptop, and weaker models on *my phone.* How do you stop this?
For it to be weird and socially ostracized to use AI? So how do disabled people who legitimately need it factor in? Do you want someone with a TBI to be unable to communicate effectively with the outside world due to language processing issues? Do you want someone with a physical dexterity disability to be unable to draw?
I'm not asking you to start using or championing AI, but please, I beg you, reconsider your reasons for hating it. AI is not your enemy, the people using AI are not your enemy, Mark Zuckerberg is.

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alright. people on bluesky are getting upset that ZUN apparently AI-generated a Background for the latest Touhou game. I'm officially on the "Oh my god who cares" side of the "AI" debate
I was already incredibly rocky on either side because there's just so much strawmanning about the subject. But like... I can't bloviate about perception of art and any stupid inherent "value" if people are even gonna start getting upset that a solo indie dev used "AI imagine generation" to make. a background. And even if the entire game was for some reason AI generated.... Like... Ok?
He's literally the core artist, he used some stupid tool to generate a tertiary asset (a snarkier person would note how funny it is that you're worried about the "background" in a touhou game of all games), nobody was directly impacted monetarily (outside of ZUN apparently possibly losing profits because people are upset about this), and like...
He's a fucking Artist. He knows how to make art. Who cares if he was like "fuck it. I don't feel like making this background"????????
Now that Touhou 20 is out on Steam and we have confirmation that the background does indeed use AI generated images, it's time to talk about
(The post that documents this info)
Hey so the game came out and turns out the generated backgrounds also serve a narrative purpose because the game's incident was caused by AI-generated misinformation and this is even why the generated backgrounds in question first appear inside the pyramid that's been corrupted by said generated misinformation.
Truly this was already such a fucking Nothing controversy already, but the fact the generated images in question literally serve a narrative purpose as ZUN's own critique of generative AI and how it should be used, which lines up with his beliefs that it can be a useful tool for artists but is also overblown by techbros trying to overhype it, just makes it even MORE of a Nothing Fucking Controversy in retrospect. I hope everyone who was outraged by this feels fucking stupid now.
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