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The Boys Are Girls! The Femininity of Hellaverse Male Characters

I’d like to analyze an aspect I’ve noticed in this show, though it’s something you actually see in many other works: the strong feminine component present in several male characters.

It’s a trait that exists, at least in part, on a canonical level, and one that is inevitably picked up and developed by fans, especially when discussing ships and relational dynamics.

Everyone, of course, interprets these characters in their own way, so what I’m about to say here is a purely subjective reflection.

I don't believe there is a single, universal reading of this topic.

What strikes me is that many male characters exhibit a very marked femininity. In fact, I’d say that paradoxically, the women in the show, despite being female characters, have narrative arcs that revolve mainly around other themes (except Vaggi, Verosika and Millie).

On the flip side, many male characters seem to display much clearer traits linked to sexuality, emotional expression, and how they navigate relationships, characteristics that are often represented through a particularly heightened sensitivity or femininity.

At first glance, this choice might even seem a bit misogynistic. Personally, though, I don't think it is. I think rather that it's the authors' way of approaching these themes with greater freedom, using male characters as a vehicle to explore aspects that might be perceived differently if conveyed through female characters.

Now, talking about the characters...

I know some people saw traits in Vox they could relate to, and I get that. But personally, I never saw him that way. To me, whether it’s current Vox, CRT Vox, Vincent, I’ve always perceived him as more masculine. I saw CRT Vox like a novice, almost a schoolboy, vulnerable, immature, but not particularly feminine (On the other hand, I find Vox much more interesting to explore as an expression of masculinity, because his character conveys many of the vulnerabilities, insecurities, and desires that I personally associate with the male experience).

The same goes for Husk, a character I perceive as very manly, both in his mannerisms and his attitude. Just like Adam, Blitzø, or even, strangely enough, Moxxie. Even though Moxxie is very gentle, sensitive, and less aggressive than other characters (much like Pentious), he still conveys a masculine image to me (despite the cross-dressing).

Of course, this doesn't mean someone else can't pick up on different aspects of those characters.

As I said before, this is an extremely subjective perception.

Anyway, the characters I do perceive as having a much more marked femininity are Angel Dust, Alastor, Valentino, Lucifer, and Stolas. (Fizzarolli too)

In my head, each of these characters expresses a different kind of femininity.

For example, in Angel Dust's case, what gets highlighted above all is grace.

He’s a character with light colors, white and pink, tall and slender. He has those delicate little details on his body: the soft fur, the fluffy chest, a design that conveys elegance and sweetness. Even the fact that he's almost always accompanied by his little pig, the way he moves, his tears, the makeup running down his face in the more dramatic scenes... it all contributes to building this image.

Angel represents a delicate, sensual, alluring femininity, but also an extremely vulnerable one. Prostitution is an integral part of his character and becomes a narrative tool to talk about that very vulnerability.

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With Valentino, however, it's a completely different story. He, too, is a prostitute in a way: he sells sex, lives off sex, and builds his power through sex. But the femininity he represents is different from Angel's. If Angel embodies fragility and seduction, Valentino embodies lust, possessiveness, and the desire for closeness.

The tight leather skirt, the stiletto heels, the fishnet stockings, the whip... everything in his design communicates erotic aggressiveness. He makes sexuality his primary weapon, maybe the only one he truly knows.

And that's precisely why he keeps telling Angel that sex is the only thing he's good at. I think that belief belongs to Valentino himself. I think he's the one who thinks he has no value beyond that, despite being a very good artist.

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As for Stolas, I find him closer to Angel, but with a different nuance. He, too, is portrayed through crying, smudged makeup, emotional vulnerability, the desire to be loved, and the absolute centrality of a romantic relationship lived with a strong erotic inclination. He isn't a prostitute, but his entire characterization revolves around his feelings and physical desires. His relationship with Blitzø is the core of his existence: he waits for his prince charming, dreams of a romantic relationship and sex, and in a way, almost ends up playing the role of the princess passively waiting for the object of her desires.

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Then there’s Lucifer. His femininity, in my opinion, doesn't come so much from his personality. In fact, personality-wise, I find him quite masculine. His femininity is almost entirely aesthetic. He’s small, has huge eyes, wears an oversized sweater, and has an adorable, almost childish appearance. He’s built to look cute. This is a very personal impression of mine, but this particular aesthetic infantilizes the character while making him very "cute and shippable" at the same time, making him sweet in an almost ambiguous way. Personally, it’s a design choice I’ve never been crazy about. This "ambiguous kid" vibe makes me very uncomfortable, and I don't think I need to say more.

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And finally, Alastor. He, too, possesses a very marked femininity in my view, but one that is completely different from the others. In his case, it’s not about the body, nor is it about fragility. It’s the way he exerts his intelligence in a sensual manner. The sharp banter, the jabs, his sassiness, the rizz, that continuous sense of challenge... all of this, in my perception, evokes a very specific type of femininity: intelligent, sophisticated, and sharp, who express themself primarily through words and emotional confrontation.

That is the truly strong part of his character, as I saw comparing his dynamic with Rosie and Vox. Alastor is angry and childish in his masculinity, yet smart and sharp in his femininity.

I’ve always had the impression that if Alastor were a woman with the exact same traits, many people would perceive him completely differently. Maybe no one would insist so much on him needing to be "put in his place." Personally, I struggle to share this need, because so much of his strength comes from that very kind of sensual and emotional confrontation, expressed through language and gestures that, in my reading, carry a strong feminine component.

And this brings me to the point I care about most...

Given how I experience character dynamics, Radiostatic was my favorite ship for years (despite my issue with Vox’s death wish toward Alastor). Of course, I'm well aware that a relationship like that will never become canon (And I didn't want to)

Yet, after season 2, I feel bad about it.

I don't even know if, by the end of Season 5, Vox and Alastor will ever actually have a sincere confrontation.

The curious thing is that back then, I thought that, canonically, StaticMoth made much more sense, while Vox and Alastor would remain great rivals. What I never expected, however, was to see such a strongly feminine characterization for Alastor (At least in my point of view), and above all, to have his relationship with Vox presented as something that had a clearly romantic component.

And this is where my personal discomfort with the now canon StaticMoth stems from.

Vox is a character consumed by the need to be the center of attention. He has a massive ego that is, at the same time, extremely fragile. He needs to be idolized, put on a pedestal.

So he chooses to be with Valentino: hyper-sexualized, starved for attention, addicted to love, and willing to put Vox at the center of his world. They got together because they are alike, satisfying each other's desire and whims. Alastor didn't give Vox what he wanted. He didn't give him obsessive closeness; he didn't bend to his constant need for attention and validation; he hurts his ego.

So Vox takes refuge in Valentino instead of facing the person he harrassed and stalked for 70 years, simply because he lost his personal war. Could it be that, back at the bar, Alastor felt betrayed too? What did Alastor mean when he said "you ruined everything"? Could they be something again?

Naah... He told him to "shut up" (because he is annoying... yup he is lol) and seems to have a fixation on his throat.

Vincent, you were already getting gray hair… come on, be a man! You couldn't even properly confess your feelings! Don't tell him you want him so you can conquer Hell... tell him you want him because you love him! Because, back in the '50, dancing and singing with him were the best things that ever happened to you!

Even in recent Radiostatic fanfics, Vox gets completely babified, casting aside all responsibility and behaving as if he had done nothing wrong, while Alastor is reduced to an emotionally constipated monster who has to bend over backwards to satisfy Vox's every emotional need.

(At this point, I actually prefer StaticMoth. At least it feels more romantic, and they still have a chance to grow together.)

That’s what leaves me unsatisfied. Why can't there be a dynamic where Alastor and Vox continue to confront, challenge, and intellectually stimulate each other, instead of reducing everything to a matter of desire, sex, and emotional whims?

And honestly, I don't think Radioapple or Lucililith will be different. Lucifer is too busy being the big-eyed character who acts like a child and constantly seeks comfort. Perhaps Lucifer, much like Vox, will run away from the intellectual confrontation he'll have with his wife, Lilith (a strong, intelligent woman), only to take refuge in infantilism and oversized sweaters.

And putting him on the same intellectual footing as Alastor is almost impossible for me, and unless the rare Appleradio pairing comes into play, a real confrontation won't even happen; it will just be reduced to bickering where Lucifer prefers to infantilize himself.

It’s as if a "woman" who primarily values her own intelligence somehow ceases to be perceived as worthy of a partner, even a platonic one.

It’s a feeling that’s hard to put into words, because it's a very personal one.

void-occupation

I'm actually so glad you put it into words bc this is a massive part of the reason I don't like radioapple or radiostatic (besides the blatant aphobia this fandom is riddled with ofc), I just didn't have the words for it.

And I do enjoy a lot of appleradio not bc *ohh sex positions fun*, but bc appleradio fans don't let Lucifer be infantilized. That's part of why I hate his character in the show bc he acts like a fucking man baby (coming from someone with diagnosed chronic depression, anxiety, and cptsd for anyone trying to excuse his actions bc of that). The amount of self-pity Lucifer constantly wallows in sets my teeth on edge, especially when people blame Charlie for not maintaining contact with her father, or hurting his feelings with her objectively reasonable anger

Bc he didn't show up to the rally to help Charlie. He did it to upstage Alastor. It was *Vaggi's* intent to help Charlie, not Lucifer's. And Charlie was right that it did make things worse for her and the hotel, and she was right to get mad at him for it, *especially* when he decided instead of owning up to his mistake, he would hide and treat Charlie like she was either an idiot or a little kid, then the moment "Charlie" calls him back, he immediately switched up from drowning in self pity to, "I'm such a good dad," as if he'd done any emotional heavy lifting to repair their relationship

Okay before I derail any further, I'll get back on topic. Honestly the reason I rarely ship Alastor (besides seeing him as a repulsed aroace) is bc most ships basically require him to do all the emotional heavy lifting while purposefully painting him as the mysterious one, or the one who causes all their problems, or the less trustworthy of the pair, and that runs me the wrong way. Is it so wrong to want a ship where they're *both* responsible for their own actions and *share* emotional burdens? Ugh, infantilizing characters who have wronged each other for the sake of shipping is a torment I will never escape fr

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The Relics of the Pentagram (just an excerpt)

I wanted to share an excerpt from my fanfic with you all! It’s pretty long... maybe too long!

(The fanfic is completed, though it’s entirely in Italian.)

Synopsis: After making a deal with Rosie, Alastor, Husk, and Niffty head to the Heaven Embassy (now destroyed and abandoned) to search for information about the magical Pentagram surrounding the city. It might be responsible for a drastic climate shift hitting Hell. Niffty has just found a secret passage!

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«I FOUND STAIRS! AND I DIDN'T EVEN HURT MYSELF! I think…»

Husk looked at Alastor. «Tell me we don't have to go down there.»

Alastor smiled slowly, eyeing the passage with obvious intrigue. «Oh, Husker… when something is hidden this well, it’s almost rude to ignore it.»

And so, Alastor and Husk cautiously descended, following the cheerful echo of Niffty’s laughter as it bounced off the stone walls, as if that basement were, somehow, the most fun place she could possibly be.

As they went deeper, the air grew colder and thicker, heavy with the ancient smell of dust, dampness, and something vaguely… consecrated. It was a scent that felt almost offensively out of place in Hell.

They reached Niffty at the bottom of the stairs. She was sitting on the floor with her legs splayed out, dusting off her apron with a satisfied air.

«I landed great!» she announced. «Almost graceful!»

Alastor offered her a hand to help her up, wearing a pleased grin. «My dear, you are officially promoted to professional secret-passage explorer.»

Husk stepped off the last stair with clear reluctance, scanning his surroundings with the paranoia of someone expecting something to jump out of the dark and bite him at any second.

«Fantastic,» he muttered.

«A basement under the Heaven Embassy. Just where I wanted to end up today.»

Alastor, on the other hand, seemed genuinely fascinated. His red eyes gleamed in the dark as he summoned a faint green light around them, just enough to outline the rough stone walls and the narrow corridor stretching out ahead.

«Oh, don’t be such a pessimist, Husker,» he sang out smoothly. «The things hidden underground are always the most interesting.»

«The things hidden underground are usually dead,» the cat shot back.

«Precisely!»

They moved forward at a slow pace. The corridor felt increasingly like a forgotten crypt, lined with low arches, empty wall niches, and ancient angelic symbols carved into the stone, now corroded by dampness and the creeping dark they had seen above. The place felt like it belonged to a bygone era, long before the building had become the headquarters for Adam’s exorcists.

«Remember when this place turned into that idiot-in-armor’s lair?» Husk murmured.

«Oh, yes,» Alastor replied breezily. «A rather drastic redecorating choice.»

«I never understood what it was used for before,» Husk continued. «An angelic church in Hell? As if the damned ever lined up to pray.»

Alastor tilted his head, thoughtfully.

«Actually, they did.»

Husk glanced at him sideways. «What?»

«A long time ago,» Alastor explained calmly, «certain groups of sinners truly sought divine favor. There were demons who tried, in their own clumsy, desperate ways, to wash away their sins, convinced that asking loudly would be enough.»

Niffty was listening with surprising focus. «Did it work?»

«Oh, not at all!» he answered cheerfully. «But the sentiment was delightfully tragic.»

Husk let out a bitter half-smile. «So Charlie isn’t the only one who came up with this whole redemption idea.»

«Not in the slightest,» Alastor said. «She’s merely the first to present it as an organized, practical plan… a neat little way to sweep away lost causes and direct them toward happiness.»

Husk huffed, but a small smile escaped him anyway.

For a split second, though, his mind drifted elsewhere.

To Angel.

To that exaggerated smile that hid far too much. Husk’s smile slowly faded.

Just as that shadow crossed his mind, the corridor suddenly opened up into a wider space.

They stopped.

Stretching out before them was what was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a small underground church.

Old, abandoned, and forgotten. It greeted them with a thick, almost solid silence that seemed to have been waiting centuries to be broken. The air was motionless, stagnant as standing water, and with every step they took, a fine dust stirred, floating in Alastor’s ambient glow like lazy, gray snow.

Niffty, naturally, was the first to shatter the solemn atmosphere, weaving through the rotting pews with the excitement of someone who had just stumbled upon a thrift store.

«Oh! This is cute!» she squealed, picking up a small, warped candlestick. «And this too! Look how pretty!» She shoved everything into her apron with obsessive care, as if saving the objects from an unfair fate of abandonment.

Husk, meanwhile, had stopped along a side wall, drawn to something far less decorative and considerably more unsettling.

Carvings.

They weren't angelic symbols, nor were they sacred decorations. They were words.

Phrases scratched into the stone with something sharp, crooked, jagged, and layered over one another like overlapping screams that could never quite find order.

I, dust and flesh destined for the worm, prostrate myself in the mire of my sin and beg for your hand, the hand that wounds and saves.

O Father of plagues and moonless nights, receive this broken heart as a living offering.

O God of bloody hands and eternal judgment,do not turn your wrath away from me.

Better to perish beneath your gaze than to live in the oblivion of your contempt.

It seemed that Heaven held none of the luminous sweetness Husk had seen in the more naive, pure angels, like Charlie’s friend Emily, with her embarrassingly sincere belief in good. Here, instead, God was a cruel judge, a punishing presence to whom one promised blood, pain, and sacrifice, as if guilt could only be washed away with more violence.

Husk narrowed his eyes, reading another sentence carved deeper than the rest.

Purify me with blood and I shall be worthy.

He twisted his mouth. «What kind of sick idea did they have…»

Meanwhile, in the center of the church, Alastor advanced slowly along what must have once been the main aisle. He observed every detail with composed interest, hands folded behind his back, wearing the subtle smile of someone searching for something very specific.

He stopped in front of the altar. Or what was left of it.

He studied it for a few moments, tilting his head slightly as if listening to a distant signal. Then, with a sudden gesture entirely devoid of ceremony, he grabbed the edge of the structure and tipped it over, sending it crashing to the ground with a heavy thud that shook dust from the ceiling.

Niffty gasped. «Oh!»

Husk whipped around. «What the... »

Hidden beneath the altar was a small, square trapdoor, perfectly set into the stone floor. Alastor knelt with elegance, pulled the metal ring, and opened the passage. Inside, tucked into a shallow compartment, was a chest. Small. Ancient. Sealed.

Niffty and Husk approached almost at the same time, leaning down next to Alastor to inspect the discovery.

«Oh~ I like this,» Niffty whispered with reverent excitement.

Husk, on the other hand, looked at the chest with growing suspicion. «Tell me that’s not one of those things that releases some kind of horror as soon as you open it.»

Alastor let out a soft, almost pleased chuckle as he lifted the lid with a delicacy that starkly contrasted the brutality with which he had demolished the altar moments earlier.

There was no glowing artifact inside, no sacred relic, no theatrical object.

Just papers. Old. Folded with obsessive care and yellowed by time.

Alastor picked one up between his fingers and slowly unfolded it, letting the parchment stretch out with a dry rustle. Only then could Husk and Niffty finally see what was drawn on it.

A massive diagram. A precise, elaborate symbol.

The Pentagram.

Not the stylized one seen everywhere in the city, carved on walls or tattooed across the backs of the more theatrical sinners. This was technical, detailed. Filled with margin notes, arrows, formulas, and scribbles in different handwriting, layered over the years.

Alastor burst into a satisfied laugh. «Oh, that’s really interesting… »

He flipped through the other papers with growing enthusiasm. It quickly became evident that those religious sinners, locked away in that underground church to beg a God they imagined to be cruel, hadn’t just prayed.

They had studied it.

They had observed how the Pentagram functioned, realizing it absorbed the angelic energy radiated from Heaven. With almost scientific meticulousness, they had tried to understand its mechanisms, interact with it, perhaps even manipulate it to draw down the grace they so desperately craved.

«They did their homework,» Alastor murmured in genuine amusement.

Husk let out a long sigh of relief, his shoulders finally dropping.

«Great. Wonderful. Can we leave now?»

Alastor carefully checked the inside of the chest to ensure nothing else was left. He then gathered all the parchments with care, folded them back up, and tucked the entire box under his arm as if it were a simple library book he was borrowing.

«I’d say we are done here.»

Niffty nodded enthusiastically, clutching her loot of cute objects to her chest.

They left the small underground church and retraced their steps through the crypt corridor at a faster pace, but along the way, something had changed.

The eyes.

Those red eyes, which before had been watching them in isolation from the walls like living mold, now seemed far more numerous. Closer.

Husk felt a chill run down his spine. And for a second, he thought he heard something.

A whisper.

Low, indistinct voices.

Someone complaining; threatening.

Someone hissing words he couldn't quite make out.

«Do you hear them too…?» he murmured.

Alastor chuckled. «Oh, Husker, what a scaredy-cat.»

He kept up a fast pace, though he held Niffty close to his side almost instinctively, speeding up as the exit drew near.

«We’re already dead,» he added breezily. «And we’re in Hell. We can’t expect any different.»

Husk’s eyes widened slightly, but he didn't answer, simply walking beside him until they climbed the stairs and re-emerged into the deserted embassy, finally stepping back outside.

The acid rain welcomed them once more with its incessant pitter-patter, instantly repelled by the shield of shadows Alastor summoned above their heads.

The landscape was unchanged.

Deserted streets. Corroded streetlamps. Steaming puddles.

Alastor with his smile, Niffty ever-enthusiastic.

Yet, as they walked, Husk noticed something subtly out of place...

The breathing.

His own, short and fast, and Alastor’s beside him. The deer demon, with Niffty perched on his head, was breathing slightly heavily, catching enough oxygen in that thick, biting air to keep his legs moving.

Husk looked at him out of the corner of his eye, saying nothing.

The words from earlier... we’re already dead... echoed in his head with a new, strange weight that was hard to place. They were true; indisputably so.

They were dead, he remembered that.

And yet, in that moment, with the sound of that breathing beside him, Husk felt, for a fleeting instant, incredibly… alive.

Around him? Just another shitty city he’d moved to for a few days during one of his trips… And that left him silent, thoughtful, and vaguely uneasy.

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When they returned to the Hazbin Hotel, the lobby greeted them with its usual explosion of glaring lights, forced laughter, and music far too cheerful for the taste of anyone still possessing a functioning shred of melancholy. Husk slid back behind the bar counter with the tired, automatic motion of someone who had been doing the exact same thing for decades. He stepped over the stool without even looking where he placed his paws, while catching Vaggi out of the corner of his eye. She was approaching with that tense aura that signaled a lecture already primed for at least twenty minutes.

«It would be nice,» she began, crossing her arms, «if you let us know when you decide to vanish, leaving shadows in your place! Do you know they don't respond when I ask them for help? I had to unload the supplies all by myself!»

Husk didn't even look up as he grabbed a glass and wiped it down with an already damp rag.

«Take it up with Alastor,» he grunted. «Assuming you can find him. And assuming he cares.»

Vaggi sighed with the resignation of someone who already knew the answer, and the argument died right there, smothered by the arrival of Charlie, who, as always, appeared at the perfect moment to completely change the subject with almost violent enthusiasm.

«Vaggi! I just had a wonderful idea for a new bonding activity!»

Husk immediately tuned them out.

With obvious relief, he slipped off the shoes Alastor had summoned for him, letting them drop behind the counter with a dull thud as his paws could finally breathe again. He began pouring drinks for a series of new faces, names he wouldn't remember even if they were carved into the bar.

Sinners coming and going. Laughing and toasting.

Some chatting, some flirting, some trying to look better than they had ever been in life.

And while the noise of the Hotel buzzed around him, Husk lowered his gaze.

Fat Nuggets was back at his feet, oinking softly in search of attention, waiting for his owner to return as if Angel could walk back in at any moment with a filthy joke and a lopsided grin. Husk absentmindedly bent down to pet him.

As he observed those faces lit by the warm lights of the lobby, listening to the laughter, the toasts, the constant chatter, a thought forced its way into his mind with almost annoying clarity.

The Hell they were in wasn't a place of eternal torment.

Not really.

It was noisy, chaotic, filthy, and at times cruel… but it wasn't the endless agony it was supposed to be. It was a place where people drank, laughed, and talked, and, as absurd as it was, it felt… like life.

And so, amid that blur of voices and clinking glasses, the conclusion came on its own, silent and heavy.

Angel Dust didn't deserve to suffer for eternity. He certainly wasn't the only one who belonged in Hell, just because he had given himself to an asshole.

«Hey.»

Cherri Bomb’s voice snapped him out of his thoughts. She was leaning an elbow on the counter, wearing her usual crooked smirk, though her eye was sharper than usual.

«Make me a strong drink, kitty. One of those that makes you forget you even have a past.»

Husk grabbed a bottle without even checking the label and started pouring into Cherri’s glass with a slow, automatic motion. His eyes were lost somewhere between the liquid cascading down and thoughts that hadn't quite taken shape yet. Before he could push the glass toward her, Fat Nuggets hopped onto the counter and then into Cherri’s lap, his wet snout already pointed at her face with the utter conviction that something edible was bound to fall out of pure cosmic generosity.

Cherri smiled instantly, leaning down to scratch behind his ears. «Hey there, little walking disaster…»

Her hand moved naturally over the piglet’s back, but Husk noticed something off... a shadow over her pale face, the subtle crease of her brow that came with doing mental math that never quite added up.

«I’m not good at taking care of him like Angie was,» she admitted softly, almost annoyed by her own honesty.

Husk nodded, finally pushing the glass toward her.

«Neither am I.» he said. «Not like him.»

Cherri lifted the drink and threw it back in one gulp, as if it were water and not something meant to burn. She set the glass down with a hard clatter.

«It sucks,» she snapped.

«It sucks that Angie isn't here to enjoy this… this colorful farce.» She gestured vaguely toward the lobby filled with light and laughter. «For a single, terrible choice, he’s bound to that piece of shit for eternity, while in here, people who have done a hundred times worse are raising a glass like they’re on vacation.»

She took a deep breath, running a hand through her hair.

«Me first. Getting high, explosions, chaos, stupid choices… and yet here I am. Free to make more stupid choices.»

She gave a bitter smile.

«But a chain around your neck… that is worth eternal existence.»

And there they were... those words lodged themselves into Husk’s mind with precise accuracy, like a masterfully cast spell.

A chain around your neck… breaking.

His eyes widened slightly.

Alastor.

The Radio Demon had broken his own chain; he had reclaimed his soul.

So a way existed.

It wasn't theory, nor hope, nor idle pipe dreams. It had happened.

Cherri looked at him with curiosity, catching the sudden shift in his expression.

«Oh no. I know that look. What the hell is going through that fur-ball brain of yours?»

Husk cut her off, raising a paw.

«Hold down the bar for me.»

«Wait, what-»

But he was already out from behind the counter, leaving her there with an empty glass, a piglet at her feet, and an expression caught between confusion and intrigue.

Husk climbed the stairs with a stride that didn't belong to him. He wasn't dragging his feet; he wasn't slumping; there were no muttered complaints. It was a firm, deliberate pace, as if every step were a decision already made and no longer negotiable.

When he reached the door to Alastor’s room, he didn't even have time to knock.

The door swung open on its own.

A long, slender shadow slid out, wrapping around his ankles with familiar ease and inviting him inside with a silent gesture. Husk sighed and followed it in.

Inside, the room wasn't a room. It was the same absurd bayou summoned by the deer demon’s magic: humid vegetation, low mist crawling along the ground, and stagnant water reflecting an eerie green glow. The air carried that smell of moss and antiquity that had no business being on the top floor of a hotel.

At the center of that impossible landscape, Alastor sat elegantly in a wooden chair, looking for all the world as if he were in a perfectly furnished parlor. In front of him, laid out on a small table, were the chest and the papers retrieved from the embassy, unfolded and organized with almost affectionate meticulousness.

Alastor didn't look up immediately.

«Husker,» he sang out cheerfully.

«What a delightful surprise. Don't tell me you’ve come to ask for a raise?»

Husk stopped a few paces away.

«Sorry for the intrusion.»

Alastor finally raised his red, sharp, amused eyes.

«And yet?»

Husk took a breath.

«I want to make a deal with you.»

The silence that followed was brief, but heavy with an almost tangible satisfaction.

Alastor rose slowly from his chair, beginning to circle him with light steps, observing him the way one inspects a curious trinket found by chance.

«Oh, this is new,» he murmured. «Usually, you are the one who carefully avoids initiating such… conversations.»

Husk stood firm, eyes fixed straight ahead, well aware of the game beginning.

Alastor stepped behind him.

«Tell me, my friend,» he continued in a velvety voice, «what could a tired, indebted, alcoholic cat, who is already my property, possibly offer me… that I couldn't simply take for myself?»

Husk didn't flinch. He didn't avert his eyes. He didn't move. He knew exactly what Alastor was doing: making him uncomfortable, making him feel small, forcing him into a compromise before the negotiation had even begun.

He didn't fall for it.

«I want your help,» he said calmly. «To set Angel Dust free.»

Alastor paused.

His eyes gleamed with a darker amusement.

«How arrogant,» he whispered with a sharp smile.

«Do you truly believe I would agree to protect someone on your behalf? You, who are barely capable of taking care of yourself, you miserable man.»

Husk moved, a swift claw thrust into the head of the microphone pointed at him.

«I’m not asking for protection.»

He made a subtle, fluid gesture. And a playing card appeared between his fingers.

The deer demon actually froze this time, an eyebrow raised.

Husk spun the card between his fingers with natural ease.

«I promise you something that you, on your own, could never obtain.»

Alastor’s smile narrowed, intrigued.

Husk swallowed, but his voice remained steady.

«I will dedicate myself to achieving my dream.»

Golden eyes locked onto red ones.

«I will step onto the stage. I will turn the absurd into reality. I will confound the minds of those who watch me. I will inspire wonder and addiction. I will send audiences into raptures at the mere sight of me. I, Haran Kotov, will become a magician.»

For a fraction of a second, something changed. Alastor’s smile softened just a fraction, so quickly it would have been easy to think it was imagined.

Then the usual grin returned.

But his eyes were different now: sharper, brighter, genuinely entertained. Alastor slowly extended a hand toward him.

«Oh… now that is delightful… » he said in a light, almost affectionate tone.

«So then… do we have a deal?»

~~~~

Elsewhere, in a neighborhood where neon signs flickered like tired candles and the acid rain had already eaten away half the sidewalks, Angel Dust stepped out through the back door of a run-down building without looking back.

The client had been taken care of, left inside, and Angel didn't even try to remember his face. He walked beneath the arcade with all four hands shoved deep into his coat pockets, carrying a weight in his stomach that had nothing to do with hunger.

He was unsettled, angry, maybe… but he couldn't quite tell at whom.

At Valentino? At the world? At himself? Probably at himself.

His footsteps echoed hollowly against the pavement as the acid rain poured beyond the arches, slowly devouring the street. The streetlamps sputtered, and for a moment everything felt still, suspended, as if the city itself were holding its breath.

Then, a drunken sinner stumbled out from the shadows, swaying with a crooked, brainless grin and eyes glossy with lust and stupidity.

He got too close.

«Hello, doll~»

Angel looked at him with a flat, exhausted expression.

«Listen, shithead,» he said in a low, sharp voice, «if you want a taste of this, you’ve gotta pay Valentino first.»

The guy didn't get it, or maybe he did and just didn't care, continuing to press forward.

Angel didn't budge.

The instant those filthy hands brushed against his coat near his chest, the tommy gun materialized in his grip, loaded and lethal. It roared beneath the arcade with a deafening crash. The sinner scrambled backward with a choked cry, tumbling straight out into the acid rain, which immediately began to sizzle against his body.

Seconds later, he was lifeless.

Silence slammed back down instantly.

Angel lowered the weapon.

He stared at the body lying in the street under the corrosive water. For a moment he stood frozen, his breath fogging up in front of his pale face.

During his time at the Hazbin Hotel, it had actually felt like he was fighting for something. For himself, to improve, to change. Now he was right back where he had always been. Valentino’s toy, used for someone else’s ends, holding a loaded gun ready to fire if his boss’s cash didn't roll in.

His gaze remained fixed on the sinner slumped in the rain. He could drag him under the arcade, let him regenerate in the dry. Or he could just leave him there to melt slowly... a punishment that wasn't Angel’s to decide.

He stood there indecisively, heart in turmoil, mind empty yet heavy.

Then a voice cut through him like a blade.

«Look at you… Anthony.»

That cadence… Angel would have recognized it through a thousand years of noise. So dangerously familiar.

Angel whipped around.

Leaning against the wall, half-hidden in the shadows of the arcade, was a hooded figure, small, slight, with an extra pair of arms tucked beneath a dark coat. The face slowly emerged from the gloom, and Angel’s breath hitched in his throat.

«…Arakniss?»

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Yup, that's it!

I’ve always liked writing about adventures, mysteries, and fights, but I’ve never really managed to share much, partly because of the language barrier, (and translating takes me a really long time) and partly because, since I’m not someone who writes romance, my stories would usually be ignored. People love ships! Technically, I like creating art too.

Anyway... Thank you so much for reading!

I hope you enjoyed it!

#Let me know if you would like more #Husk #alastor #niffty #angel dust #Don't worry Val will be ok #In this fic-Alastor wants Husk to be a performer #He can't force him to be a dreamer.#hazbin hotel

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you can count this as a continuation of the previous comic but i just wanted to draw them cute and cuddling and FGAGGHDFAGSEUYOUEWRHOWRP

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Alastor and his platonic ship relationship: Part 3 (Charlie)

The relationship between Alastor and Charlie is one of the most vital in the show, highlighted right from the very first episode. Charlie is the protagonist, while Alastor is one of the main characters. He plays the role of the protagonist's helper, much like Vaggi, but his narrative function is entirely different. Alastor and Vaggi don't serve the same purpose, nor are they competing for the same narrative space. Instead, both are fundamental to Charlie’s journey.

Charlie and the Missteps: A Massive Misunderstanding to Clear Up

Unfortunately, Charlie has been going through a rough patch in the fandom lately. I think this stems from a disconnect between what the creators are trying to convey and how many fans are interpreting it.

It’s an understandable mix-up.

We really should wait and see what direction the show actually takes. Getting too worked up over a character before we even understand their true role in the story doesn't make much sense. At the end of the day, this is a story told for the pure joy of storytelling. Like many others, it has narrative gaps that will hopefully be filled in upcoming seasons.

Charlie vs. Emily: A Battle of the Sweethearts!

Lately, I’ve been seeing a non-stop rivalry brewing between Charlie and her angelic counterpart, Emily (aka "Blue Charlie").

However, Emily comes across as the absolute embodiment of unconditional kindness, someone who approaches others with zero ulterior motives, driven solely by the desire to help. Charlie, on the other hand, struggles to find inner peace and take initiative, even when the people she cares about are suffering or leaving. Her impatience and need to prove something to herself (and her mother) end up hurting others or leaving them behind, even in tragic situations.

So, it begs the question: if Charlie’s narrative role was meant to be the ultimate "sweetheart," why give that exact trope to Emily?

This contrast leads a chunk of the fandom, on Charlie's side, to trash the angel. Some even claim that preferring Emily over Charlie, or criticizing the princess at all, stems from misogyny.

Yeah... I don't think that's fair.

Claiming "we just can't handle a flawed female character" is a huge stretch, honestly. Especially since the show features other heavily beloved female characters, like Vaggi, and you certainly can't say she's without flaws! So let's not hide this "battle of who's sweeter" behind the weaponized "you're misogynistic if you don't like Charlie!" card, because it makes little sense. Charlie’s actions aren't just character flaws, like being impulsive, naive, or hot-headed, they're actual plot drivers.

Where do I stand on this? I’m still not entirely sure, but the most plausible answer I've come up with is that Charlie’s actual arc will eventually give us all the answers we need to understand her true message and emotional core. I’ve been piecing together a potential theory, so I decided to write one last post to share these wild ideas of mine.

But first, I want to address one small, frustrating point that’s been bothering me...

A Huge Rift...

"I have no reason to care about you, so feel free to bleed out on the floor. But if you don't genuinely help me with the Hotel, you're just evil!"

Following the events of the pilot, right from the start of Season 1, there was a swift and inevitable rift growing between Charlie and Alastor.

The vibe of the "Heaven to Hell" song felt like a distant memory. Their first real interaction happened in S1E5, which, as I analyzed in Part 1, didn't go well. The arrival of the "good father," Lucifer, contrasted against the "evil, manipulative father" (built on a lot of nonsensical assumptions), led to Alastor being branded a "monster to stay away from" before any real dynamic could even form between them.

The biggest rift, however, formed in the season finale.

Alastor forced a deal framed as a promise of "betrayal and pain" toward Charlie, immediately followed by "betrayal and pain" inflicted right back on him by Charlie. Since then, a massive crater has opened up between them. Charlie's side of the fandom argues that Alastor, despite being an ally, deserved to be left to die because... well, he had selfish motives. (Can I ask why his motives were expected to be genuine? Is he her dad? Her brother? Her boyfriend? No. He’s just some random demon whom nobody has ever done a single favor or act of kindness for in his entire life and afterlife, not even Charlie herself).

Yet, at the same time, every Season 2 theory predicted Alastor’s terrible, inevitable betrayal of poor, sweet Charlie, taking advantage of this innocent princess who’d be victimized by a monster.

And how did it actually play out?

You guessed it...

Alastor used his deal to ask for something incredibly simple, only to be left bleeding out in a puddle yet again. Three minutes later, Rosie shows up asking, "Why don't you help them?" (Excuse me, but where have YOU been this whole time???). And just like that, the cycle restarts, with the fandom speculating on how Alastor is going to betray the Hotel, completely forgetting, with impressive mental gymnastics, that it's already too late for that!

An Alastor betrayal right now would have zero narrative weight. It would basically just serve as bragging rights for fans to say "we were right!" While to me, frankly, it would just look like a demon who is fed up with being used and mocked, finally kicking back at "princess who only takes", the daughter of a classist, bullying king.

If he ever attacks them, they’ll obviously defend themselves... but in my eyes, they would have zero right to call him a traitor.

This clash of opinions "Charlie is good so she can leave people to die, and if you disagree you're misogynistic" vs. "I’m out here defending the rights of a cannibal serial killer because he’s being heavily mistreated" has created a massive divide between these two characters.

It's a huge gap that, honestly, will be really hard to bridge.

But hey, never say never.

After all, he was always by her side...

Not Father & Daughter, Not Coworkers, Not Friends... So What Are We?

As I mentioned before, I don't think two characters can occupy the exact same narrative role. That’s why Alastor and Charlie don't have a father-daughter dynamic: Charlie’s dad is Lucifer. And the closest thing Alastor has to a daughter figure is Niffty.

(Niffty is constantly by Alastor's side, admires him deeply, and shows an emotional dependency on him far more obvious than anything Charlie has ever shown. Even Viv in the past shared artwork and content hinting at a clear symbolic parallelism between the two pairs: Lucifer & Charlie on one side, Alastor & Niffty on the other).

Charlie and Alastor aren't even real coworkers either. Charlie’s actual coworker, the one who prides herself on running the Hotel and keeping Charlie’s dream alive, is Vaggi. While I don't agree with the narrative that "Alastor does nothing for the Hotel" (we’ve seen how crucial he is in keeping things running), Vaggi is the one who's most invested. She literally received the badge on her chest in the Season 2 finale.

Alastor helps. Alastor solves problems.

But Alastor isn't entrusted with the Hotel, his work isn't truly acknowledged, and while he seems proud to be called the "host," he himself views the place as a prison of showtunes and whining. Maybe he'll get used to it down the line and embrace the role, but if he does, it’s going to be a long journey.

And they aren't friends. She doesn't trust him (even though she has to, because she needs him), and he... well, he doesn't even believe in friendship in Hell.

Rainbow Hugs and Sugar Overload! Another Baffling Theory.

Another popular theory goes like this: Charlie will eventually smother Alastor with affection, kindness, and "rainbow hugs" until his heart melts. Essentially, she'll love him so much he'll get diabetes and magically turn into a good person. Personally, I'm really not convinced by this arc.

If Charlie were truly destined to save Alastor through her sheer goodness and affection, why does the story choose to leave him completely isolated and bleeding when he’s down? Why wasn't Charlie there for him, despite showing she doesn't hate him and actually harbors a level of concern she just never follows through on?

Why create this massive gulf between them? Besides, Charlie still has to use her love to save Angel Dust (who is clearly struggling) or her father (who is visibly depressed).

Where is she supposed to find the time to unlock the heart of a cannibal deer demon? And that brings us right back to the misinterpretation issue I brought up at the start.

Charlie is nice in the sense that she doesn't wish harm on anyone, won't slam the door in your face if you approach her willingly, and wants everyone to be happy... but she certainly isn't going to go to bat for you (except for her whole kingdom, or "people" in general)

Which brings us to that very telling interview with Erika (Charlie's VA), which hints at a very different direction for her character.

Charlie and the African Daisy: Goodness with a Dark Core

Erika described Charlie as an African daisy: a flower with bright white petals, but a center that is much darker, almost black.

(a picture from the web)

To me, that imagery is huge. It doesn't just represent a sweet girl surrounded by light; it hints at a deep internal conflict. Charlie might be destined for an arc where her entire worldview is shattered and put to the test. That doesn't mean she's going to turn "evil." I don't think this is a hero-to-villain transformation, but rather an exploration of a darker, and perhaps melancholic, side of her personality.

We've actually seen glimpses of this nuance before. In the pilot and early lore shared by Viv there were mentions of Charlie having an "emo" phase, back when she had a black fringe and a much darker, detached look. I think what we’re going to see in the future is a fully realized version of that idea. Not just a temporary teenage phase where she was moody or rebellious, but a core part of her identity: a side of her that directly clashes with the pristine image she’s always tried to project. Because that’s the real kicker: Charlie might end up questioning the very things she believes in. And it’s likely from this internal rift that her future conflicts will stem, her dynamics with Lilith, Alastor, Lucifer, and even Vaggi.

Charlie’s growth might not be about teaching others how to be better people, but about finally figuring out who she really is first.

Who Am I? The Story of a Girl with an Existential Crisis

Even Husk casually dropped that truth bomb in Season 1, noting that Charlie tries to fix everyone else's problems before addressing her own. With his sharp feline intuition, Husk nailed her core flaw: before she can truly save anyone, Charlie has to confront her own inner demons, the ones tied to her origins and her family.

Because Charlie doesn't actually know where she truly comes from.

Officially, she’s presented as the daughter of Lilith and Lucifer. That's the story we've been told. However, when Viv was asked if Charlie was truly the biological daughter of Lilith and Lucifer, her answer was super vague: she didn't confirm it at all. Instead, she explicitly stated that that is the entire point of the narrative.

This opens up a rabbit hole of theories.

Think about it: if Lilith and Lucifer got together roughly ten thousand years ago, why did they only have Charlie about two hundred years ago?

That is a massive gap in time.

Hence the theory: what if Charlie is more of a creation than a traditional child? A entity born from the combined forces of their power. We know Lucifer possesses godlike creation abilities, Viv confirmed he created the Goetia himself. Similarly, other hellborn species seem to have originated from high-tier entity creations. That said, even if Charlie was "created," it wouldn't necessarily invalidate their role as her parents. (Otherwise, if she was just popped into existence via pure magic, Stolas would have to call Lucifer his great-grandpa or something).

There seems to be a distinction between creating a life and siring one. That’s why I believe Charlie’s origin story holds a lot of hidden secrets...

And there's one detail I just can't shake off: The Apple.

Charlie Morningstar’s core symbol is the apple. And it was because of the apple that evil entered the world in the first place.

Is Charlie Going to Fight Her Own Arm?! Time for the Wild Theories!

So, according to my theory, what happens in Season 3?

Charlie possesses this dormant power, this dark core inside her. Following this train of thought, that darkness is literally Evil itself. Essentially, Charlie might just be a vessel created by Lilith and Lucifer to contain it.

Maybe they were trying to free Eve, and maybe Eve is actually Rosie, who decided to help the royal family. Or maybe Rosie is Lilith herself, or she could simply be Charlie’s guardian/nanny, tasked with protecting this girl who carries primordial evil inside her, while Lilith is up in Heaven trying to cut deals with the high command (who want Charlie eliminated... remember those creeps from part 2?).

The possibilities are endless, but the real question is: what will Charlie do?

What happens when she uncovers this terrifying truth?

The seven swords on her dress on Valentine's merch, which seem to tell a story of betrayal, might not be referencing her mother or anyone else, but herself. Her own nature.

I imagine Charlie looking in the mirror, completely unable to recognize who she is anymore.

She’s not the princess destined to save Hell like the fairy tale book promised. She’s just a vessel for the world’s evil. I picture her completely lost, then looking down at her own hand as if it’s mocking her: "Yeah, Charlie... you're nothing but evil."

She might even physically strike out at herself in a moment of utter breakdown. She’ll spend a huge chunk of her arc desperately trying to figure out her identity and purpose. Will she become colder? Angrier? More ruthless? We don't know. Will she be Evil incarnate, or just carry a piece of it?

Either way, I think Charlie’s focus will shift heavily inward.

Even while remaining a good person who never actively turns her back on anyone, Charlie will become inherently self-absorbed.

So, others will have to step up to help her. They’ll be the ones trying to protect Charlie while she sits there with her head in her hands, a ticking time bomb ready to detonate, surrounded by people desperately trying to keep her together.

And where does Alastor fit into all this?

Alastor is the Cheshire Cat.

He’s the figure who stays by Charlie’s side, nudging her along her path. Sometimes he'll be a pillar of support; other times he'll throw a wrench in her plans. He might even be the one to drop harsh truths she isn't ready to hear.

It’s hard to predict his exact moves, but one thing feels certain...

... If these two ever truly form a deep, genuine bond, I believe it will be Alastor extending his hand first, offering his protection (as a friend? As a fellow "sibling born of evil"?).

At the end of the day, helping out is what he’s always done in his own twisted way. He’ll remain an enigmatic presence, undermining her one second and backing her up the next, but never abandoning her journey.

Final Thoughts

I hope I didn't come across as too harsh on Charlie, because I really don't hate her character! I just find it frustrating how she's constantly framed as this sweet girl with "morally accepted flaws"(naive and stubborn) who is always ready to save everyone.

She often lets her anxiety paralyze her right when it counts most. Calling her "just stressed" misses the point: character values are shown through actions.

Charlie isn't some grand superhero; she's simply a good-hearted person. Regardless, she's the heart of the story, and I'm still rooting for her. I really hope future seasons give us an awesome dynamic between her and Alastor, whether as allies, friends, or whatever bond the writers choose to build.

As a fan, I’d personally love the idea of them being "siblings" of sorts, both tied to the same origin of evil. It’s a fascinating theory that opens up insane narrative potential (even if I’m not sure the show will go there at all. The main hints being Alastor’s potential connection to Roo, his missing human surname, and his signature symbols: ⛤🜏☉⛧... which, if analyzed, could be read as / Hell / Origin / Gold). Either way, it’s just a fun theory I love playing around with!

#this is too long!#thank you for reading #hazbin hotel #charlie morningstar #alastor #hazbin alastor #hazbin charlie

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The fandom take of "Alastor will eventually learn his lesson and be nicer and more open" annoys me A LOT because quite frankly what canon shows us is "Alastor is too nice for his own good".

Yes, really. I don't think there's really a different reading possible of the Mimzy sequence. And that comes after Scrambled Eggs, where Alastor straight up takes abuse from the eggs until Zestial shows up, at which point he shushes them real fast. And that comes after his deal with Vaggi that she NEVER ASK HIM to do anything tv-related ever again in episode one. And then there's Alastor's patience with Charlie's romantic drama monologue on the way to Cannibal Town in Hello Rosie, and then there's his little monologue to Niffty about how the hotel makes him "almost sentimental" at the start of s1 finale and there's his visible (but not audible lol) freakout at "great alastor altruist died for his friends" at the end of the finale.

(And there's his patience and lack of hostility towards both Rosie and Vox in s2 finale even though he quite frankly deserves to go apeshit on both of them there lol)

Alastor will be able to have healthier relationships WHEN HE GETS BETTER AT SAYING NO TO PEOPLE. Which might or might not happen in the show, but it's quite perpendicular to its main Power Of Friendship theme and thus might well just not.

Alastor doesn't need to fucking. Get MORE willing to do things for other people. He's already at unhealthy levels of that, and the rest of his prickly persona is his attempt at self-defense from that!!! Which he's perfectly well entitled to and not wrong about!!!

Yall wanting him to be Charlie II really need to pay more attention to how Very Not Well Charlie is lol

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I'd say what he needs more than to 'learn to be there for others' is to learn to let people in. To accept that maybe sometimes people will do stuff for him, will want to help him, with no strings attached. That not everything is transactional or conditional and that he doesn't always need to plot and scheme and strike deals in order to benefit from what other people can offer him.

And maybe part of that will be to learn that he, too, can offer people the same thing, but it is faaaaaar from the main lesson for this man.

Learning to say no to people is important for him, I agree (and in some cases he's actually showing that he is capable of this, like when he refuses to actually work at the hotel in the beginning of S2, but it's definitely something that he needs to learn in regards to specific people and situations). But I think another thing that he would really benefit from, as a next step after learning to say no, is to learn to ask for things. Ask for help, ask for the things he needs, hell, maybe even ask for the things he wants if he really wants to take this to the next level. And most importantly, to see that he can ask for these things and not be expected to offer something in return.

But that's the difficult part, because before that can happen, first people will need to show him that this is possible, to give proof that he can ask for things without requiring a transaction or a deal. And that's not within his control.

Both in saying no and in asking for things, Alastor essentially needs to learn to trust people and trust that he can safely do these things. And for that to happen, other people will first need to prove to him that he is safe if he says no or asks for help.

And, well, so far that hasn't really happened yet...

lilietsblog

Yup. We literally see Alastor attempt to ask for help with Rosie, and the kind of rejection he receives... let's just say if he were nicer in asking and received the same response it would have 100% felt worse to him.

(Now, there's a hypothetical scenario where he asks more nicely and receives a more favorable response, but you cannot fucking count on this shit with abusers, which Rosie towards him absolutely is, and it's fully reasonable on his part to not be ultimately willing to go through with that, even though it was clearly the original plan with the dressing up and the flowers.)

Alastor keeps learning to NOT ask for things, and instead force or manipulate people into giving them to him. It's kind of funny how even with his favor with Charlie, he starts out just asking her verbally without pulling on the favor. She balks, which is honestly very reasonable of her given the context, but it's still another data point for Alastor that he HAS to exert force on the world around him, you know? He asks Mimzy to leave the hotel as to not get it in further trouble, and has to get through a like 5 minute long unskippable cutscene of her insisting that he cannot possibly mean it. When Husk accosts him about Mimzy and Alastor tells him to not worry about it, Husk manages to precisely zero in on the exact trauma he was already unknowingly evoking with Alastor's 7 year absence, ignoring Alastor's request to fuck off in the process. Like, do I think Alastor was in the right in that situation to react as he did, decidedly not. But again, data points!

And on the other hand, Alastor DOES receive help unprompted! Niffty rushes in to help him, even though it hurts more than it helps lol. Charlie's scream attracts Emily's attention to save his life. (We don't really have information on what Alastor thinks of this, but I don't think it's something he would have asked for if given the choice, he's too proud for that lol)

I think what Alastor needs is more of this wordless, unrequested support, but also like, in forms that actually do help. I don't think he'd hestitate to ask Niffty to do something for him, because he knows she WOULD help, but he generally doesn't because Niffty is difficult to get to do exactly what you need her to do beyond her normal hobbies of cleaning and stabbing people. (Which I assume she does the former unprompted and Alastor prefers to do the stabbing himself, you know?). The hotel needs to get to the level where he's comfortable in the knowledge that he won't get a Rosie-type response if he asks for something.

THEY need to support HIM, you're exactly right.

(Alastor already knows he can offer people that!!! Mimzy counts on him to bail her out of trouble every time, and notably he handled that for her this time too before kicking her out!!! There are absolutely 0 negotiations on his part in Scrambled Eggs!!! His deal with Charlie in s1e7 does not include him hearing out her entire monologue about Vaggi!!! He just does things for people habitually!!!)

(WRT saying no at the start of s2, notably that's HUSK telling Alastor that he should maybe help Vaggi and Charlie, not the two of them asking him to help them. It's much easier to say no to a third person than to the face of the one who needs the help. I bet if Vaggi and Charlie asked him, he would have done something that went against the presumed spirit of the request, like Lucifer's solution of teleporting Charlie away, perhaps terrifying everyone present into leaving the hotel or something, but he would not have outright said no. Not his style)

(Much like how with the commercial in s1e1, he makes a shitty one rather than refuse to make one at all, even though his explicitly stated objection is that he doesn't want to engage with the video format. Absolutely incredible work there, brilliant and unimitable) (I love this disaster of a demon so much)

#Oh THANK YOU #Finally someone said it #Alastor deserve better #So his fans #Hazbin hotel #Alastor

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this was my piece for the alastor anthology! i remember finishing it up on the plane 😵‍💫✈️

Alastor and his platonic ships: part 2 (Vox)

And so, we arrive at Alastor and Vox.

These two characters ended up in this massive conflict due to what is, in my opinion, a profound misunderstanding.

After all, it’s hard to imagine that Alastor, back when he and Vox were "friends", would have suddenly decided to turn his back on him for no reason. Especially since Alastor seems to have gained absolutely nothing from that falling out.

Maybe he earned himself an obsessive stalker who's been trying to kill him for seventy years.

The entire Season 1 shows Vox intent on hunting Alastor and enjoying seeing him wounded.

Guess this situation has been going on for decades: Vox with a broken heart, and Alastor simply trying to avoid him, aside from taking the occasional jab at him.

That is, until the second season, when Alastor takes advantage of Vox’s obsession and his hunger for power to finally free himself.

Alright, I'm free... can I go home now? Of course not...

This brings us to the question that, in my view, almost no one is asking: once free, why doesn't Alastor just run away? Why does he decide to face Vox head-on instead? And above all, If his true objective were to eliminate him, why hasn't he done so in all these 70 years? Why doesn't he finish him off when he has the chance?

Many focus on the threats Alastor makes toward Vox, but let’s pause for a moment. Alastor threatens him, it’s true.

But how many times has he truly tried to kill him?

If you look closely, he has never actually hurt him (the screen remained intact, and his body didn't have a single deep scratch, unlike Alastor himself, who ended up with blood running from his nose, a severely mangled arm, and a cannon that would have reduced him to ashes).

So the question remains: why would he confront him when, in over seventy years, he never killed him, even though he clearly had the power to?

The most accepted theory is that Alastor wanted to restore his reputation and prove he is still the Radio Demon.

I disagree.

Here, too, I ask myself: where do we see this? When, exactly, does Alastor turn to the crowd and proclaim, "Look at me, the Radio Demon is back!"?

It never happens. In fact, no one seems to pay him much attention.

By the end of the clash, all the glory is attributed to Valentino, who takes credit for stopping Vox and the cannon. Alastor doesn't even make the front page.

So, where is the desire to regain his prestige? Throughout that entire scene, Alastor’s eyes are fixed solely on Vox.

And this, to me, is significant. I think the cannon and the war against Heaven would have created an incredibly dangerous situation... so let's see who, in my opinion, could have become the real threat!

Maybe Heaven isn't filled with sugar butterflies after all.

Heaven, as we now know, is no ordinary opponent.

Who are those creeps? What did Viv mean when she said that Lucifer rebelled against an unfair system, considering that, from what we've seen, Sera and the Speaker of God are genuinely good? Who created the Exorcists with their black halos? Who gave Adam the power to do what he did?

(It's just one of my more far-fetched theories, but I have a strong suspicion that Vaggi's "daddy" could be a real piece of trash!)

And this is where another detail comes in, one that, in my opinion, is often ignored: Alastor’s scars.

They are everywhere on his body.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe they are just an aesthetic choice. Drawing all those scars in every scene requires time and attention. If the creators chose to include them, they probably serve a narrative function. What strikes me most is that they have the same color and a very similar shape to the large wound Alastor receives on his chest.

For this reason, I wonder if they might all be wounds of angelic origin.

Naturally, this is just a theory, but it seems consistent with what we’ve seen.

After all, there are several clues suggesting Alastor has already dealt with angels. We all remember the scene with the exorcist’s head in Season 1. When it falls onto the table, Alastor comments with extreme nonchalance "Tasty," and Viv has already hinted that Alastor knows the taste of angelic blood.

This means that, even though the exterminations happened while he was absent, he has come into contact with something angelic. If that’s the case, he might have already clashed with Heaven long before the events of the show.

We don't know when, we don't know why, and we don't know with whom. (And maybe he bit some of those creeps!)

But I keep thinking this could all be connected, once again, to the mystery of Lilith... But what about Vox?

A one-way train to Heaven, with the fandom happily covering the fare.

One of the theories I see most often is that Vox is destined for a very rapid path to redemption, perhaps even ending up in Heaven.

Personally, I struggle to believe that.

Let’s be clear: Vox is a character who has committed extremely grave actions. Thinking he can redeem himself overnight and find his way into Heaven seems inconsistent with how the show has built the very concept of redemption.

The most obvious example is Angel Dust. His story is clearly designed as a long and complex journey. He still has to face Valentino, his relationship with his family, his father, his brother, Molly who is in Heaven, and, likely, the conflict between the desire to reach Heaven and the desire to stay beside the people he now considers his new family, like Charlie, Cherri and Husk.

If all of this will likely take several seasons, why on earth should Vox get an immediate redemption? Where is the time to acknowledge his mistakes, ask for forgiveness, prove he has changed, and truly deserve Heaven?

Moreover, the Vees have been confirmed to remain major villains through Season 4!

For this reason, this theory does not convince me at all.

So, what will Vox do?

Vox: Just a Cult Leader by Coincidence?

Vox will probably continue to occupy his role alongside the Vees. He will continue to be involved in the affairs of Valentino, Velvet, and the conflicts that revolve around Angel Dust. The romantic relationships between these characters will also likely continue to evolve.

StaticMoth will become canon, but it won't be that straightforward.

Vox will continue to keep Valentino satisfied through sex, affection, and business deals, while he continues with his plans... And he will still be the true leader of the Vees!

"He is essentially the leader though Vox likes to let his partner Valentino take charge to maintain his control over things in a more back-seated way. Preferring to pull the strings behind the scenes"

While some of you may consider this old information, I have to say that I found these sheets to be particularly reliable and very much in line with what we might see in Season 3.

Vox is certainly a character thirsty for power. But even more than power itself, he seems incapable of being satisfied. Why?

Did he perhaps have a vision? Was he contacted by someone? Was he promised something?

He has a constant need to prove something, to achieve more. And this doesn't just concern Alastor.

Even if Alastor were to disappear from his life (as happened during the seven-year absence), Vox would continue to chase something. And it is precisely this constant dissatisfaction that, in my opinion, will end up getting him into trouble.

He’s a cultist, too, they didn't say that for nothing... maybe, he could strike up new, dangerous alliances... assuming he hasn't already done so in the past...

Vox and Lilith: An Unlikely Duo?

In my opinion, Vox is also much more connected to Lilith than the fandom imagines. It’s a personal hypothesis, but there are some details I find curious.

The name "Vox" itself means "voice", of course. But Christian (Vox's VA), in a quip considered a spoiler by his colleagues, said: "Vox is Lilith’s voice." (And since this comes from a post Season 2 interview, I don't think it's simply about him wanting to emulate the aforementioned "revolution.")

For this reason, I wonder if Vox might play a much more important role in Lilith’s return than it currently seems.

Naturally, everything depends on an even bigger question: is the one we saw actually Lilith? Or is there something we still don't know? Does Vox know that? I continue to have many theories on this, some decidedly speculative.

A scary little throwback! They didn't literally rip each other's insides out... right?

Then there is the question of the fight before the seven-year absence.

When Vox and Valentino talk about Alastor’s return, Valentino says something like, "I thought he was gone for good."

This line has always gave me the impression is that both believed Alastor was dead or destined to never return.

("We thought you fall into angelic arms"... Zestial said something like this in S1EP3... who did said that to him?!)

Personally, I continue to think that Alastor (and Rosie) had a clash with the angels, and that Vox knows much more than he lets on. (Look at the permanently broken antennas of Vox and Val).

However, I hope the show doesn't choose an extreme path. I hope, for example, it isn't revealed that Vox and Val are kissing while watching Alastor being torn to pieces by angels.

All of this, meanwhile, Alastor, clearly has a serious issue with cameras and videos (the origin of which we know absolutely nothing about, although we do have a hint that he used to let people take pictures of him in the past),

... and he is still wondering what love actually is...

Alastor still thinks everyone's twitterpated

Thinking back to their past, I believe the great misunderstanding was born from the very proposal Vox made years prior.

When he proposed to rule together, I don't think Alastor interpreted that as a personal or emotional gesture. He saw it as an attempt to use him, and he felt betrayed.

How could he not have interpreted it as Vox simply getting tired of drinking and dancing with him because the time had come to get serious and put himself at the top of the world, since that had been his only goal from the very beginning?

Alastor is an extremely distrustful character, accustomed to reading every relationship as an exchange of interests. How could he have understood that Vox’s ambition was clouded by his bisexual awakening?

From everything the show has shown us so far, Alastor seems to have enormous difficulty understanding romantic feelings and how they influence people’s behavior. And it is precisely on this point that I want to dwell, because I believe the show has already scattered several clues in support of this interpretation.

Another element that, in my opinion, is significant concerns Alastor’s relation with physical contact.

Even back in the pilot, Alastor clearly showed he didn't like being touched.

Many people saying, "But he touches others too." But, in reality, every time he does it, he seems almost disgusted himself. We even see him wiping himself off immediately after touching someone.

Yes, maybe he touches someone to provoke, manipulate, or annoy them, but that doesn't mean he enjoys doing it

With Vox, this dynamic is even more evident. Vox is touch-starved and continuously invades his personal space, and Alastor always reacts with annoyance.

To me, it’s simply a trait of the character.

The same goes for everything related to eroticism. Angel’s continuous allusions annoy him openly, and more generally, Alastor seems to feel evident discomfort in the face of these types of situations.

(For this reason, I believe that during the torture scene in S2EP4, while Vox deliberately chooses to provoke him even through ambiguous language and gestures, Alastor’s reaction is not that of a person seduced or intimidated: it is above all a reaction of disgust. Pure and simple. Vox creates, more or less voluntarily, a provocation built with an erotic aesthetic and language, used to humiliate Alastor and make him uncomfortable. It’s a scene that can be read in different ways, and everyone is free to interpret it according to their own sensitivity. Personally, however, I don't believe the show wants to build permanent trauma for Alastor about that episode. After all, Hazbin Hotel has often used humor and sexual innuendo even in very heavy contexts. It’s a stylistic choice of the series that can cause discomfort, but it has been present from the start.)

But Vox's obsession is still there... is he suddenly going to get over it?

Even seven years after Alastor's presumed death, he was still dressing like him!

You can't erase seventy years of history, grudges, arguments, and obsessions with a simple change in narrative direction. In facts, the very fact that Vox’s obsession with Alastor ended up complicating even his most important relationships (Val and Vel) makes me think this element wasn't just inserted as fan service. I believe it has a precise function in the story.

Fear not, my dear square-headed pal! I shall save you!

To be clear, I think the two of them are never going to sit down at a table and have a mature, honest conversation, nor are they ever going to apologize to each other. They simply don't have the emotional maturity for that.

But while Vox is too blinded by his anger, lashing out with words and murder attempts, Alastor consistently shows through his actions that he never crosses that final line, despite his infuriating attitude. In his own way, Alastor does "love" Vox. In fact, we know he still keeps Vox's microphone on his vanity, a detail the show deliberately chose to show us.

And as Rosie said, actions speak louder than words...

When it actually comes time to act, Alastor remains the more clear-headed of the two.

For this reason, I continue to have the same impression I’ve had for a long time...

I believe that when the decisive moment arrives, Alastor will end up saving Vox, probably from a threat connected to "Lilith" and her angelic allies.

Somehow, he can sense that Vox has deep feelings for him, something neither of them is able to explain, so he continues to care for him.

I imagine that, after that, Vox will realize that Alastor never truly hated him. He will begin to heal and rebuild himself from scratch, allowing him to start over with Valentino and see him in a new light.

And that's my theory about these two.

...

As I said regarding Lucifer, I hope the Alastor fandom can overcome this dark moment, filled with continuous attacks from part of the Vox's fans. I hope the relationship between these two will continue to be enjoyable and engaging despite everything.

#Next part: Charlie #This is too long!#thank you for reading #I cannot tag vox #I'm scared of the psychos #hazbin hotel #alastor #hazbin alastor

Alastor and his platonic ships: part 1 (Lucifer)

After taking some time to reflect, I’ve managed to piece together some thoughts regarding the rather chaotic relationship between these two characters, Lucifer and Alastor.

Obviously, what I'm about to share is just one of my many personal theories.

What will actually happen in Season 3 remains a mystery, of course, but I'd still like to jot down some of my thoughts and ideas on the matter.

It’s going to be a long journey.

Ready?

Okay. Let's start!

The good dad vs. the stepdad: too bad Charlie's affection isn't for sale.

As I wrote in a previous post, from his very debut, Lucifer was presented as a character heavily leaned toward comedy. His flaws were partially masked by his rivalry with Alastor; consequently, the writers immediately framed him in a way that led many viewers to forgive, or at least overlook, some of his rather outbursts, both toward sinners and, in a way, even his own daughter.

It is with Alastor that Lucifer kicks off the "Hell's Greatest Dad" verbal sparring match, and from that moment on, countless theories were born about what that song could truly mean, and a large part of the fandom, especially those closest to Charlie, who initially seemed annoyed that Lucifer had left her alone, ended up focusing almost all their attention on Alastor and his potential betrayal.

I must say, at the time, few seemed to see what I saw.

I often found myself in disagreement with many interpretations, but I chose to wait, because no one could know for sure how the story would unfold. Now that the second season is here, however, I can say with some certainty that many of the elements I had noticed from the start have actually proven correct, while many accusations that I never found particularly convincing have turned out to be baseless.

People became fixated on the contrast between Lucifer and Alastor, which appeared quite sharp to many: on one side, Lucifer, the affectionate and "sweet" father; on the other, Alastor, the false father, the deceiver. Everything contributed to reinforcing this reading: the golden colors contrasted against shades of green and purple;

The caring father finally returning from his castle after so long, versus the wicked Alastor who would have taken advantage of his absence to sneak into the Hotel and manipulate Charlie.

Yet, at least to my eyes, this interpretation was entirely unfounded.

Already during season 1, I had noticed some oddities.

First of all, Lucifer isn't just a father who was absent because he was "depressed." Lucifer spouted a lot of nonsense and bragged about his angelic blood and his social standing more than anything else.

As for Alastor, while he certainly hints at being a manipulator with malevolent glances, what he says within the song is, in fact, sensible and admirable (responsibility, humble manual labor).

Was it Charlie who liked these things, and did he use them only to manipulate her?

No.

It doesn't seem that way at all, and the show hasn't placed any focus on that. What he said is what Alastor actually values as a character.

And he said that simply because he dislikes Lucifer's attitude. (And because he is a petty bitch).

Besides, the famous "You're so much shorter in real life" only happened because the king walked in wearing a look of utter disgust from the very start.

(Many argued that Alastor was simply jealous because Lucifer is stronger than him, but this alleged envy is never really shown in the show, honestly.)

And, no, I don't think it’s about Charlie's attention, either.In fact, the scene that made me realize right away that this wasn't the direction of the narrative was "More Than Anything."

At that moment, Charlie and Lucifer finally manage to find each other, and Alastor doesn't seem to care in the slightest. If anything, he gives the impression of being satisfied by it. His gaze, his relaxed attitude, the fact that he shows no annoyance in seeing father and daughter rebuild their relationship... all this made me think that Alastor had no intention of coming between Charlie and Lucifer.

Further confirmation, in my opinion, comes from S1E7. Charlie continues to treat Alastor like he’s plague-ridden, not like a father figure or someone who has taken Lucifer’s place. At no point is it suggested that she let herself be manipulated or "hypnotized" by him. Charlie needed information, and to get it, she accepted the deal, very begrudgingly.

Exactly as Vaggi did, and as many other characters have done before and likely will do after them.

This is why, in my view, their relationship doesn’t tell the story of a contrast between the "good father" and the "false father."

The final battle vs Adam proves this again: Charlie immediately chooses to fight alongside her father, while Alastor is left out of the heroic finale. He remains alone, severely wounded.

To my eyes, this is very significant. If Lucifer is already placed in the position of the "found" father and Charlie chooses to stay with him, then the "competition" with Alastor was over before it even began.

What would be the point of building a story where Alastor wants to replace Lucifer as a father figure if Lucifer has already obtained what he wanted?

For this reason, all the fandom’s rage toward this alleged rivalry has always seemed devoid of any real narrative foundation to me.

In Season 2, Lucifer hit Alastor with an "unexpected attack of kindness," yet Alastor is still there... why?

The "good daddy" Lucifer criticizes Alastor because he considers him a useless individual, someone who doesn't know how to do his job.

Even in the first episode, it is mostly Lucifer who constantly tries to discredit Alastor.

This balance remains until episode 4, when Lucifer goes too far and Alastor decides to leave. For me, this is a pivotal scene. If Alastor really had grand secret plans that depended on the Hotel or manipulating Charlie, why give up so easily? The fact that he chooses to leave suggests exactly the opposite.

It’s almost as if he were saying,

"Why should I bother?"

And yet, in the finale, Alastor returns.

Despite everything that happened, despite the fact that the Hotel hasn't given him any particular reason to stay and he himself has never shown much emotional openness, he decides to return anyway.... for Charlie?

Have he and Rosie made a new deal this time... one that's actually worth it?

In "Ready For This" when, talking to Rosie, he says, "She's full of potential that I could guide." You can tell he has projects regarding her.

Not emotional manipulation. Not fatherly concern... but that "evil hand", though... It seems that everything is connected to the still-unknown past of Charlie.

Who Exactly Is Charlie Mornigstar? What are Rosie and Alastor's plans for her?

You may have all the power in Hell, and the crown to prove it, but you're certainly not putting a smile on my face.

Regarding the season two finale, many interpreted the Alastor returns and his looks at Lucifer as a sign of a desire to take possession of his crown or his power.

Personally, I don't share this theory.

As I’ve said, "Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile" is a song against social hierarchies, elitism, and racism. Its message is that it doesn't matter how you dress or what position you hold in society; what really matters is the smile you wear on your face.

This perfectly represents Alastor’s philosophy.

For this reason, the idea of the crown, in my opinion, has nothing to do with him.

Neither does the hypothesis that Alastor simply wants to appropriate Lucifer’s angelic power convince me. That would be a narrative repetition. Using Lucifer once again as a sort of "battery" to gain a new power boost would make the story predictable and uninteresting. Furthermore, we already know that Alastor has a close alliance (Rosie), and he is already the most powerful Overlord in Hell. It wouldn't make much sense to build another narrative arc based solely on the search for more power when the character has always shown that he obtains what he wants primarily through strategy, intelligence, and manipulating situations.

This theory, too, fails to convince me.

At this point, however, the most interesting question remains: What is the true relationship between Lucifer and Alastor?

Being the apple of Mommy's eye doesn't necessarily mean you're the best.

But first of all, we need to pay attention to one other thing. Lucifer is not the perfect, sweet, and impeccable character that a part of the fandom describes. The fact that Viv likes Lucifer a lot doesn't mean at all that she considers him a saint. The same mistake was made with Vox: the fact that she often shares images of these characters or speaks of them with enthusiasm doesn't imply that she considers them morally irreproachable or that they are poor, defenseless puppies.

It simply means they are characters she likes.

And the reason, in my opinion, is quite evident. Viv loves writing characters dominated by love, obsession, and extremely intense feelings. It’s the same reason she manages to write characters like Valentino without reducing them to simple caricatures of evil.

Lucifer loves Lilith deeply.

You see it clearly during S2E5. Even in the confrontation with Vox, when the latter mentions her, Lucifer reacts with an almost uncontrollable rage. He orders him not to speak her name again. A reaction that struck me deeply, despite the epithet "wh0re" (wait what?) while he was watching a movie...

Speaking of movies linked to Lucifer and themed around ducks...

Lucifer: The Great Gatsby... but with ducks.

Among the references, there is The Great Gatsby.

And it is right there that one of my theories was born. For me, the connection between Lucifer and that movie might not be accidental at all... and it is from this parallel that I would like to start to explain my interpretation.

I imagine a situation where Lucifer organizes parties or acts as if he were perfectly happy, almost to prove to Lilith that he is doing great without her or to provoke a reaction.

It’s a behavior that, in a way, he has already shown with Charlie.

In front of his daughter, he constantly tries to appear strong, cheerful, and capable of handling everything. He never tells her openly how depressed he is or how much he is suffering. Even Charlie, when she asks him how he manages to bear the weight of ruling Hell, seems not to really understand thar her father is not okay at all.

With all these roses and lilies, this garden is starting to become a real mess. Crazy Theories and Plenty of Speculation.

From what we know, in the third season, Alastor will finally begin to show his hand. He will be more ambiguous, more ruthless, and will begin to engage in behaviors that, at least on the surface, will seem decidedly wrong. As hinted, Lucifer will try to stand between Alastor and Charlie. Lucifer will see him as a repugnant, dangerous individual, someone to keep as far away from his daughter as possible.

But I don't believe Charlie will listen to him, because she needs Alastor.

(Just a note: If we look at the facts, Charlie has gained much more from Alastor than Alastor has ever gained from her. Let's be clear: what has Alastor really gained from Charlie? Practically nothing. In fact, between the deal and the events of the first and second season, he ended up wounded and left on the ground in a pool of his own blood. And this is exactly where, in my opinion, a contradiction in the fandom emerges. On one hand, there is constant talk of Alastor’s alleged emotional manipulation of Charlie; on the other, many cheer when Charlie leaves him behind wounded, arguing that "she had no reason to help him." But if Charlie is truly so free that she can leave him behind without hesitation, then where is all this emotional manipulation everyone talks about? The two interpretations, in my opinion, struggle to coexist.)

That said, Alastor is still hiding something very important.

And that something concerns Lilith.

I am convinced there is a connection between Alastor, Lilith, and Rosie.

I have several theories about it, especially regarding the relationship between Rosie and Lilith. I don't know if they are allies; in fact, I personally doubt it.

We don't even know where Lilith really is, or even if the woman we saw is really her. And here enters one of my more speculative hypotheses: what if that isn't Lilith? What if it's Eve, a sort of twin sister? It’s a very bold theory, I know, but it’s an idea I keep considering.

In this scenario, someone would have taken Lilith’s place, forcing her to be Rosie, altering the balance of Hell’s royal family and contributing to the crisis between Lucifer and Lilith about 200 years ago (when Charlie was born). The false Lilith, in Heaven, unleashed Adam and the exorcists on Hell not "to keep the population in check" nor "for fun," but perhaps to kill the "hiding Rosie" specifically. (But why give so much credit to this "for fun" reason? They lie! They all lie every time they say it! It's like saying, "I’m not telling you the real reason.")

Naturally, this is just a theory of mine.

Lucifer and Alastor... they'll never stop trying to kill each other... at least until they reach emotional adulthood.

And it is precisely from here that I would like to talk about Radioapple, Lucifer and Alastor. In my opinion, the two will inevitably continue to clash.

On one hand, because Alastor is certainly not someone who easily forgets a wrong suffered at the hands of a classist. I am convinced that he is still annoyed by everything Lucifer said to him in episode 4.

For this reason, the way he looks at him in the season two finale seems more like a reflection of a personal dislike than a desire to take possession of his power.

Alastor has shown several times that he has been discriminated against and treated with contempt.

For this, the sign that reads "No Alastors Allowed" hung on Lucifer’s door doesn’t seem like a simple joke to me: it is the representation of a racist slur. This, in my opinion, is the reason why Alastor struggles to even look at him without wanting to slap him. It’s not a question of a crown or strength; it’s a question of having been treated with contempt just like when he was alive.

On the other hand, Lucifer considers Alastor a danger and treats him as such.

This will inevitably lead to continuous clashes, but I believe they will be clashes told with a lot of comedy as well. Between one joke and another, between arguments, snide remarks, and absurd situations, perhaps even scenes where they accidentally bump into each other or get stuck in some gag (their "sticks" are stuck... oh god, I can already hear those kinda of jokes) the show will continue to play on their contrast.

It is easy to imagine that this type of dynamic will drive Radioapple fans crazy and will make those who, on the contrary, do not like this pairing, turn up their noses.

However, I believe that behind the comedy there will also be character growth.

And here is where other theories about their possible individual development start: I think that Alastor will begin to ask himself questions about something that, until today, he has never really understood: love.

Alastor sees spring for the first time... Apparently, everyone's twitterpated.

And this is where, in my opinion, Husk and Niffty will come into play. Now that Alastor is free, I imagine he will try to recreate the old balance with them, hoping to return to the times when the trio sowed terror in Hell. But things will have changed. Husk will have his mind turned toward Angel Dust, and Niffty will be interested in Baxter. In other words, both will be caught up in their own feelings. Alastor, on the other hand, will be left out of all this.

And this is where I imagine a situation almost "Bambi-like": he observes his friends completely absorbed by love and cannot understand what is happening.

Why does no one pay attention to him anymore? Why does everyone seem to think only of the person they love?

This could be the first time he truly begins to question a feeling he has never understood.

And, inevitably, his thoughts might turn to Lucifer as well.

Why does Lucifer continue to love Lilith, despite the fact that she abandoned him?

Why does he continue to suffer for someone who seems to have left him behind?

Perhaps it will be this very question that brings them closer. Maybe, by talking, they will even manage to have a sincere conversation. And the two will simply start to... understand each other.

Conclusion

That is why I think that, between a party and a joke, Lucifer could end up confiding in Alastor. Naturally, all of this also depends on the mystery of Lilith... But Lucifer loves her from the bottom of his heart. That’s the point. Lucifer loves Lilith, the first woman. He loves her wherever she is.

That is why I really dislike many Radioapple interpretations that turn Lucifer into a sort of perfect, submissive figure who forgets he is a husband and a father, and Alastor into someone completely animalistic but to be morally subdued and tied to him by nothing but sexual impulses. They seem like scenarios that don't reflect the characterization the series has built so far. (And really, they are racist). I understand why many Alastor fans have become extremely defensive.

And the whole "Oh no! Why do you hate Lucifer?" thing makes me chuckle.

For years, they have heard the same accusations directed at the character, and inevitably, this has led part of the fandom to close off and put up a wall. At the same time, I think Lucifer can continue to be a character very loved by the Alastor fandom without having to submit to the racism and perversion that, all too often, Radioapple brings with it.

I believe that, to truly understand the debate surrounding these characters, it is important to try to see the point of view of those who, for a long time, have had the feeling of having to constantly defend their favorite character from an entirely unequal relationship filled with prejudices.

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ravioliet

all i'm saying is that if the only lens you can enjoy a story or a character dynamic through is romance and shipping, then well. your media analysis skills are just kinda shit actually. and i'm not sorry for saying it. you're missing the point of the story in question and removing the things that make it unique by shoving everything into boxes. not everything goes in the square hole.

strawijuice

Did this drawing for reds Alastor anthology art book!⊹ ࣪

lilietsblog

The thing about "bad person" and other such judgements is that I don't give a shit what personality disorder you're headcanoning a character to have. My question is how does their behavior impact other people.

So yeah "Alastor is a way worse person than Vox actually" folks yall have no evidence to convince ME with whatsoever last I checked. Vox being more neurotypical is just, not it. (Vox having NPD while Alastor doesn't is not evidence to the contrary, either, btw)

(Yes, Alastor was a ~serial killer~ when alive. But the one murder we actually see onscreen was of someone who was hostile and dangerous to him, while Vox we've seen backstab colleagues, friends and patrons...)

(Notably, both Alastor and Vox cause a fuckton of collateral damage during their fight. And we don't have direct canon proof of the regeneration theory. So that's that. But it still doesn't show Vox in a *better* light than Alastor)

downthegenderriver

I'd like to add: who gives a fuck who is the "worst person". It is subjective. Is cannibalising all those overlords worse than being a weird sadist cult leader? Who gives a fuck, its not like either of them will get a longer prison sentence if you win the argument. I have no idea why this fandom keeps having this argument.

#Wow it is the second post I saw with this kind of argument #For the Vees fandom...Really stop with aggressive-more or less passive comments...#...Like the guy who made SA/shot heaven/kill and torture people can talk..or his rapist boyfriend tho...#...the Alastor slander will not make Vox or Val better persons you know?#And then I found people who post how some people hate RS...#...guys a lot of that are the Alastor fandom who are tired of your bullshit #“poor babyshark who is so so so hurt by Alastor now he has PTSD”/“Alastor was sooo happy with the Vees and that was absolutely not SA”#Double standards a gogo 😑#Ultimately I saw that poison even in MurderMedia...#hazbin hotel #Sorry for the rant OPs

fantiferous

I live for the idea that Alastor's love language is food. He's southern, you can't tell me he doesn't at least make them breakfast on Sundays.

Extra points if he leaves food for Angel after his shifts, or forces Lucifer to eat 3 days into a depression spiral.

Bonus under the cut-

void-occupation

food is definitely Alastor's love language yesssss

Show me Alastor getting up at ass o'clock in the morning to make breakfast

Show me Alastor slaving away all day in the hot ass kitchen, snappy and irritated with exhaustion, only for it all to melt away with what he refuses to admit is fondness when everyone praises his cooking

Show me Alastor memorizing people's allergies bc, "How are you supposed to tell me how good my cooking is if your tongue is swollen?" And definitely NOT bc he cares

Show me the original hotel crew not even slightly suspicious if there was sinner meat in the food bc while he's made jokes, they know that Alastor would *never* sully his mother's good name by changing her recipes for anyone but himself, and why would he, "Waste good cuts on people who wouldn't appreciate it,"?

Show me Alastor who spent his entire life facing food insecurity, and now insists that everyone has full bellies

Show me Alastor refusing to let anyone waste food due to said lifetime of food insecurity, even if that means feeding the scraps to the pig

Show me Alastor making sure the animals are all fed, including Razzle and Dazzle, who don't actually have to eat

Show me Alastor genuinely upset and it showing when he doesn't cook as much as he did before. His moods are measurable by what he cooks, bc the more upset he is, the more his appetite fades, so why cook if he isn't hungry?

Show me Alastor who not only gives food, but might actually cry if he were to receive food. Even if it wasn't well made, if they tried Alastor can tell and will eat all of it, even if it means poisoning himself

Show me Alastor whose love language is food

bluneko91

I'd like to make an appreciation post about how Alastor looks after Husk in his own way. I already made a post pointing out that in Season 1, Episode 5, Husk showed genuine concern for Alastor's well-being when Mimzy showed up. He knew that Mimzy's appearances always meant trouble, trouble that would end up landing on Alastor's shoulders.

This post, however, is meant to highlight the hints Season 2 has given us that Alastor cares about Husk as well.

The first one is this scene.

Husk: "If FlatHead and BabyBarbie try anything, I'm sure Alastor will floating around here somewhere ready to throw down"

Husk is completely convinced that, even if the Vees were to try something, Alastor would step in and protect them. While Husk clearly didn't take Alastor's serious injury into account (maybe because he didn't even know the deer demon is wounded in the first place) that's still a very significant thing for him to say.

The confidence with which he says it, and the fact that he simply expects it to happen, strongly suggests that Alastor has already done this before. Not just once, but enough times that Husk has complete faith that Alastor will intervene again. The fact that someone like Husk, a cynical, pessimistic man who's practically given up on his afterlife, places that much trust in Alastor speaks volumes.

The second piece of evidence comes from Amazon's description of Season 2 Episode 6.

Alastor has left the hotel, and Husk... well, it really seems that without Alastor around to keep him in check, he starts slipping back into his old "habits".

That information is surprisingly meaningful because it opens up a possibility I hadn't really considered before: Alastor acting as Husk's restraint, almost like a safety belt keeping him from falling apart. It also makes the pilot scene read very differently.

Alastor summons Husk to the hotel. Husk was off doing his own thing -> right back to gambling! (I'm assuming at his casinò).

Husk: "I was just about to win the whole table!"

It's almost as if he were saying, "Just five more minutes! This time it will be different!"

And what does Alastor do?

He makes the entire gaming table disappear, almost as if he were silently saying, "That's enough of these games for you, mister."

From Episode 6, it seems that Angel's presence may eventually help Husk develop some self-responsibility. But if the Valentine's Day poster is any indication, that journey is still going to be a long one. Until Husk learns to keep himself in check and manage his afterlife responsibly on his own, it looks like Deer Dad will still have to be the one putting the brakes on the cat.

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