An Overly In Depth Analysis of The S1 Battle Of Hazbin Hotel! (Popping Culture)
A great analysis of the final battle in Season 1.
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An Overly In Depth Analysis of The S1 Battle Of Hazbin Hotel! (Popping Culture)
A great analysis of the final battle in Season 1.

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they’re mirroring each others’ facial expressions, demonstrating empathy
also that is bubblegum.
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It’s crazy how Alastor is the only character who can pull off his suit.
I’ve seen so many outfit swap drawings and everyone else looks terrible in Alastor’s suit.
Like either the colors clash, it doesn’t fit their figure or they’re just plain awkward.
Alastor truly is the only person that can make that suit look amazing.
This issue had escaped me. I would have loved to see it! Also because I had this headcanon that Alastor used his powers to distort reality and make everyone end up in some Jumanji-style board game. I was right, this headcanon was a possible canon! I'm so happy! 💕😃

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Alastor's better then me cause if Rosie came up to me with the "why don't you help them?" my response would have been "bitch HOW?!"
Your telling me that you want me to help with an angelic nuclear bomb powered by the second strongest being in creation when I'm at the weakest I've ever been in my time it hell? With the thing I use to channel my power broken? The thing you have previously refused to fix?
I'm not saying that he's better then me because he threatened to let everyone die (even though I think it was an empty threat). I'm saying he's better then me because I would have lost my temper.
I always see stuff about Alastor being bad with technology but I think it would be interesting (and more importantly fun) if he was perfectly capable of learning it if he'd clock in.
Imagine Al becoming crazy good at it and Vox is sweating with worry about Al becoming better than him at it.
Vox is also confused because there's a part of him that's so proud of Al and falling for him even more.
Finally the subduction theory posts again please don’t go after this person if you know who they are
No one is going to go after anyone over this. A bad theory isn't worth harassing anyone over, so there is nothing to worry about. For this final ask, I'll be talking about all the other things that are wrong with this theory.
One of the things that I hate about this story is how it frames Lucifer as a passive victim. This 1000s of years old being, who was part of why Alastor quit the hotel in Season 2, is being talked about like an innocent child who is helplessly a victim of the schemes of the evil seducing Alastor. There is even a list that shows how awful and undeserving Alastor is of Lucifer, who is a perfect innocent being that has never done anything wrong and is just a victim of every other person being horrible, especially Alastor, who is going to break his heart after Lilith already broke it. Lilith, who is only part of this theory as the person who broke Lucifer's heart and has been categorised under one of the toxic types that Lucifer is into. I have complained about Vox stans in the past, and I have seen people complain about Alastor stans, but none of us acts like our favourite character is an actual child, despite him being one of the oldest characters in existence on the show. It is even more disturbing when you realise that the end goal of this theory is to turn Alastor into a person who exists only to serve Lucifer's desires as an act of atonement. It would take a post of its own to get into all the ways that would be a bad ending to write for Alastor as a black mixed-race, aroace character.
Then, there is the part about how Alastor "destroys and uses everyone" because he doesn't want to rely on anyone, and the question must be asked: who are the people that Alastor has used and destroyed? Outside of Vox and only Vox, there are zero other characters that you can use as an example of this. He and Rosie use each other, and neither party was destroyed. He has used Charlie and managed to do it in a way that has kept her trust. Husk and Niffty's relationship with him is symbiotic, and Mimzy is the one using him. How can they expect to create a good theory when they don't even have a canon-accurate understanding of the character?
A major issue is how this theory has Charlie as an afterthought, with Lilith barely even mentioned. This is interesting because, based on all the information that we have received about Alastor for Season 3. His story arc is going to be tied to Charlie, not Lucifer. Amir places Lucifer as a rival to Alastor for Charlie's trust and attention. Charlie is the one who is going to be at the centre of Alastor's potential future character growth through platonic/familial love.
I also can't forget about Lilith, even though they are certainly trying to do so. In the most romantic season of Hazbin Hotel, the Mornigstar family is going to be a central focus. The Morningstar family includes Lilith Morningstar, whom Lucifer's love for is one of his defining traits. Lilith is going to be an important character as well, and her relationship with Charlie and Lucifer isn't just going to be pushed to the side like this theory does.
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The evil marriage theory stuff
For this ask, I will be tackling the theory itself. It isn't a very strong theory. It feels like something designed to be a prompt for a fanfic, not something that I can consider a serious theory that someone genuinely thinks is going to be the plot of Season 3.
I will repeat this as many times as I see people use this line to claim that Alastor wants to rule hell. "Pulling the strings" doesn't mean that Alastor wants to be King of Hell. In fact, a character who pulls the strings is never the power seen by the public eye. By definition, the one who pulls the strings stays in the shadows and guides things to favour them. Becoming the public ruler of hell would defeat the meaning of that phrase.
The fact that this entire theory is based on Alastor wanting to be the King of Hell for power shows that they haven't been paying attention to the show that they have been watching, or they would have realised that the title of King of Hell holds no power to sinners. Sinners don't care if you are royalty. They care about whether you have power and what you do with it. Charlie is the Princess of Hell and gets almost no respect. The moment that Vox found out that Lucifer could not harm sinners, he lost all fear and respect for Lucifer and used him as a battery for a weapon. Being the "King of Hell" did nothing to protect him or get him out of that situation. By the time that Vox is aiming for heaven, the Vees already consider themselves the rulers of hell. Being the King of Hell would grant Alastor nothing that he can't get through other means that don't include a "partnership", which is what marriage is.
They talk about Alastor and Vox being foils but fail to grasp what that means. In an interview in which Sam Haft talks about Alastor and Vox as foils, he mentions that Alastor considers himself strongest when he doesn't need others and isn't needed by others. He talks about how Vox would do anything for power, including working with others, but Alastor will not. That should tell you that Alastor isn't going to be willing to "seduce" Lucifer into marrying him for the sake of power, particularly after all that I have explained about the position of the King of Hell.
The evidence that they try to use to support this theory is very weak. The crown pin lapel is something that I have talked about before in my post on Alastor's royalty motif. It was a pin that was worn throughout the Broadway performance, not something that showed up towards the end/during a scene with Lucifer/at the end after he gains his freedom. Something like that being worn throughout would point more to an identity held by that character than an identity that they will have in the future.
The wedding zine thing doesn't sound like Amir was hinting that Alastor would get married to Lucifer. A more accurate interpretation of his response would be that Radioapple fans will be getting something similar to what they got when they wanted Lucifer to call Alastor "Bambi". It was done, but it wasn't used as a pet name/nickname, but as a demeaning insult. In the same way, the closest that I can see them getting to Alastor marrying Lucifer would be as part of a joke or song where Alastor is mocking Lucifer. This would be something that most shippers would love, as just like the Bambi comment, it could be used as ship fuel. On the other hand, those who expect/want their ship to be canon will be upset.
If the plot for Alastor has been there from the start, then that is another point against this theory. Back then, one of the things that Vivzie said, even while she was refusing to confirm Alastor being aromantic so she wouldn't ruin the fun of the shippers, was that romance wasn't relevant to Alastor's story. Vivzie has never planned for Alastor to have a romantic arc. He certainly won't be getting one that has him redeemed through the power of falling in love.
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Ok I found some stuff I wanted to share this person isn’t a bad person they are just defensive on their theories but I wanted to share this with people who might not be shippers but are still Alastor fans so I want to share some of these.
You sent 3 asks covering this theory, so I will cover each one based on the thing that I consider most important in that ask. There is so much wrong with the theory that it has no chance of ever being canon.
Having a theory, no matter how bad/annoying it is, doesn't make someone a bad person. It is natural for people to be defensive of their theories, but my main issue with this is how aphobic it is. My first read of this was that the person was equating Alastor being aroace with "villainous, selfish, self-driven, devious, doesn't believe in friends and love, does not care about those things". Basically, placing being aroace as one of the things that they consider to be wrong with him. A more generous reading still doesn't place them in a good light. Even if I assume that they were mentioning it as a separate thing related to the rest of their theory, the aphobia is still there. It is present in how they have chosen to ignore that Alastor is shown to care about people like Niffty, Mimzy, and even Vox at one point. It is in how the end goal of this theory, which ignores any platonic relationships that Alastor has or that he can have a journey to self-improvement without putting him in a romantic/sexual relationship, is for Alastor, an aroace character, to become a better person by falling in love with Lucifer while trying to manipulate Lucifer through a romantic/sexual relationship. I can't help but view the foundation of this theory as aphobic.
Hazbin Hotel might have its issues, but the idea that they would portray a character as an evil aroace who improves by falling in love is something that would be too aphobic for the show to do. This is a show that refused to make the aroace character regret harshly rejecting someone, even though he was mean about it. They are not going to give him a "cured from being evil by falling in love" arc.
This would be insulting to asexuals regardless of where they fall on the spectrum. It is directly insulting to averse and repulsed aroaces, but even for demis, greys and those on the more favourable side of the spectrum, it comes with the implication that the only thing that makes them human or have the capacity for good is their proximity to being allo.
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Radiosilence & Sexual Assault
When S2 Ep4 released, I saw a lot of people throwing around similar ideas that Vox was not being threatening towards Alastor, that Alastor was in no danger and, specifically, that Vox ‘presented no sexual threat’ to Alastor. I found these takes really odd, personally, because I felt that the episode was riddled with imager that held sexual assault implications. In knowing that Vox is evidently not someone who is against rape, given his close relationship with Vaalenrino and Velvette where he acts as an enabler, the implications made a lot of sense. I was shocked to come onto tumblr and find out that, not only did people think the show had made an “explicit effort” to make it clear that absolutely no sexual abuse had occurred (using the cuck chair scene as evidence??), but that there were also several people who described Vox as being caring towards his captive.
All that to say, I expect this whole analysis to be incredibly controversial but it’s been in my brain since S2 Ep4 came out and I’m going to lose my mind if I don’t write it. This isn’t intended to suggest that people cannot have different interpretations but I do think saying that there are absolutely no implications whatsoever of a sexual threat is a strong take. And I like discussing media.
Obviously, massive trigger warnings for discussions of sexual abuse.
This is a companion essay to my Deep Dive on the Vox and Alastor Flashback scene. They were originally part of the same essay until I moved that one, and I’ve only just gotten the confidence to post this.
The Humiliation Parade
During the Humiliation Parade, Vox takes Alastor on an interview with Katie Killjoy and publicly announces that Alastor lacks a tail. The thing is, it isn’t presented as something that Vox was already aware of. Which at the very least, even if nothing further happened, means Vox checked if Alastor had a tail. I think that already classifies as harassment, at least.
If I wanted to be really pretentious and make my literature teacher hate me, I could take the smoothie date scene during this montage to a really metaphorical level, and suggest that Vox taking Alastor on what is essentially a forced date, ordering a drink with two straws and then drinking the entire thing himself is an allegory for taking ‘pleasure’ from Alastor. But I won’t do that, because I have enough evidence that isn’t as flimsy. I just thought it was worth mentioning because it was a thought that crossed my mind while rewatching the Humiliation Parade while making this analysis, and there’s nothing I love more than turning dark situations used as comedy back into something sinister!
The Cuck Chair
If I’m being completely honest, the existence of this scene kind of renders my entire analysis somewhat useless. This isn’t an implication, or a metaphor, or imagery. It’s clean-cut, obvious sexual assault. The reaction I saw from the fandom took this as comedic. Haha, the asexual was forced to watch people have sex. I’m laughing so hard.
To be clear, I don’t think that the show entirely treated this as a joke. But parts of the fandom did find it funny. And that’s a little bit wild to me. It’s especially wild to me that, as I mentioned in the introduction of this essay, that the cuck chair scene was used as evidence that no sexual assault occurred. My brother in Christ, do you know what sexual assault is? Do you realise that this qualifies? That forcing someone to watch you have sex qualifies as a non-consensual act?
I know that there is a debate about whether Vox and Valentino even actually had sex, but to me it’s clear that they did. People use Valentino’s unsatisfied demeanour as evidence to say that they didn’t, and the fact that right before it, Vox was looking at his ratings going up. But, when he’s looking at the ratings he still has his clothes on, showing a time jump between that scene and the scene of Vox and Val in bed. As far as Valentino being annoyed, Vox was probably just more interested in Alastor the entire time. Also, during Don’t You Forget (reprise), when Alastor says “I knew you’d need me here to be your unwilling audience”, the fact that he’s making direct eye contact with Valentino, combined with the dance he does in his chair, suggests that he’s referencing the forced voyeurism.
Vox’s clothes were thrown towards Alastor, and Alastor’s ears pinned back and he tensed up when Vox stood up in front of him, as if he was expecting Vox to do something to him beyond just dragging around his chair. Vox takes Valentino’s cigar and exhales some of the smoke from it in Alastor’s face. The smoke that Valentino uses on Angel frequently, which always makes him dissociate, and the smoke is an extension of Valentino’s aphrodisiac saliva — which is likely used in Velvette’s love potion. The fact that Vox is the one using it on Alastor, as opposed to Val, doesn’t seem to change its properties, because it is still red when he blows it out into Alastor’s face, after literally pulling down the mask to force Alastor to inhale it. And then what does he say? “Isn’t this nice?”.
Let me repeat that in a shorter and more concise way: VOX DRUGGED ALASTOR. WITH AN APHRODISIAC. AFTER FORCING HIM TO WATCH HIM HAVE SEX WITH VALENTINO. This should be so obvious. It’s not even an implication anymore.
The one valid counter-argument I can imagine for why there may not have been any direct rape involved in the captivity arc that Alastor’s line, “our deal was for me to be your captive, I don’t have to tell you anything” — because it means that Alastor was still able to have boundaries based on what was and wasn’t in their deal. And Vox sexually abusing Alastor was not part of the deal, and if Alastor would resist against simply telling him something, he’d definitely resist against being raped too. But just because he would’ve resisted doesn’t necessarily mean it didn’t happen. And even if Vox did not rape him, he did assault him. The cuck chair counts.
Being Vox’s captive does mean that Alastor has to allow himself to be physically restrained, as we see, and it is very unlikely there’d be a caveat for ‘unless he’s sexually abusing you’, considering Alastor is unable to move against Vox when he electrocuted him in Don’t You Forget (reprise). Which is what we’re getting into next!
Don’t You Forget (Reprise)
This song hints at the situation going even further than forced voyeurism (in case that wasn’t enough). While I will discuss a little bit of the visual cues that are given, this will mostly be a lyrical analysis while the next section will deal a lot more deeply into specific frames while exploring parallels with Poison from s1 Ep4
“You’re in my house / With my rules / And my room / with my tools”
What Vox is saying here is ‘you’re my captive, so what I say goes’. It’s in direct response to Alastor refusing to give him the information he asked for, and it’s a threat that Vox can and will use force to get what he wants from Alastor. This shows that although Alastor can resist, Vox isn’t going to take ‘no’ as an answer, and this point is reiterated a number of times. This song is full of the possessive pronoun ‘my’, showing Vox’s control over the situation and how fixated he is with his own power over Alastor.
There is also something vaguely sexual about “my tools”, as it could be referencing sex toys, and this isn’t far-fetched because of Valentino’s background presence in the song and his general Valentino-ness, combined with the activities he and Vox had just gotten up to, making it possible that there’d be toys lying around. But simultaneously, it’s referencing Vox’s wires, and this is what is focused on visually. Even that has sexual undertones, however, as Vox uses those same wires to interact with Valentino throughout the cuck chair scene, and the wires are used to tie Val’s wrists to the bed, while they’re also used to restrain Alastor in similar ways. Additionally, the wires are a literal extension of Vox. It’s Vox restraining Alastor. Vox forcing him into compromising positions. Vox touching him. The wires are Vox.
“And worse, you’re at my mercy / Cursed to watch me take it all! / You’ve gone ass up”
…Not to bring up my smoothie metaphor again but— like— clearly my thought process isn’t entirely off the rails. He’s “tak[ing] it all”.
But in all seriousness, being “at [someone’s] mercy” is a phrase that can so easily be taken to have sexual assault undertones, especially when paired with being “cursed to watch [them] take it all”. On top of that, the visuals here show Alastor being hoisted up and restrained by his limbs, which are forcibly spread apart (and as I’ve mentioned, since the wires are an extension of Vox, he is literally being held in place by Vox).
“Ass up” has explicit sexual connotations, alluding to being in sexual positions.
“Don’t you forget / You’re on my string / You can try to squirm and struggle and it wouldn’t do a thing”
Alastor can try to resist, but he’s helpless and can’t stop Vox. This could so easily be a rape allegory. If these lyrics were in a duet between Valentino and Angel it would be so clear what it’s about, and they wouldn’t feel out of place in the slightest.
Here, Vox literally has Alastor dancing with him while tangled in the wires. If we compare this to the initial DYF song between Alastor and Rosie, there’s an interesting difference in the way that the two of them present their power over Alastor. Vox is frequently restrictive and controlling, whereas Rosie’s is weirdly lenient in comparison to other soul owner dynamics we’ve seen. It is significant that Rosie never binds Alastor in a chain, she only ever has him on strings. This is obviously an intentional decision and wouldn’t be overlooked by the animators. While these strings are used to control and guide Alastor’s movement, they’re never actually used as restraints, nor are they used to force him to be in proximity with her.
Rosie dances with Alastor without use of the strings at the start of the song, then when she does summon the string she immediately pushes him away, before putting it away when she gets close to him again. Then, the second time they dance together, the strings are completely unused. She does make him dance on the strings while he’s being puppeted, though this isn’t him dancing with her. He then falls into an awkward position, somewhat reminiscent of the compromising ones Vox puts him into, but Rosie’s reaction is to immediately pull him up again, then she removes the strings before taking his hand for the final note of the song. The cage in which Alastor is placed in by her is easily opened from the inside, he’s able to poof away from her before she puts him into a hat, she doesn’t protest against him doing that, and the net which she puts him in only lasts a few seconds. Overall, Rosie is much less oppressive with her power over Alastor than Vox is. While she is physically affectionate and this might be against his boundaries, she does have a line she won’t cross, which is forcing proximity and physically restraining him.
Contrast all of that with Vox straight up telling Alastor that his discomfort (his “squirm[ing] and struggl[ing]”) means literally nothing to him.
“You’re so obsessed with me / I knew you’d need me here to be / Your unwilling audience when you lose your marbles in Act Three”
I briefly touched on how the visual during the “unwilling audience” part of the lyric is suggestive, even though the second half of that line is obvious foreshadowing and a clue-in to the audience that Alastor does know what he’s doing to some extent. Like, it’s not lost on me that the line is about the foreshadowing of the final episodes, but at the same time, there is suggestive imagery and that idea of him being an unwilling audience drives home the point about the sexual assault that has already canonically occurred, regardless of how far Vox may or may not have taken it off-screen, which we can only judge based on implications.
“You still need me like you did before // So cute, you think I care!”
I find these lines interesting when considering that this is Vox shifting the dynamic between them, and Alastor coming to realise that maybe he’s bit off a little more than he can chew by making this deal. Because he’s made assumptions about Vox, and for the most part he’s correct, but maybe he didn’t consider all the directions Vox might go to try and prove him wrong.
While he has Alastor in captivity, Vox frequently attempts to exert control over him and is instead met with It would not be out of character for Vox to go to extreme lengths to try to control Alastor, and we know Vox enables both Valentino and Velvette in the way that they both capitalise on sexual violence, so that’s not a line that he wouldn’t cross. I think if he wanted to use sexual violence against Alastor, he’d try, and that it would be a way to prove his power to Alastor.
“Now I’m the master / And you’re my bottomest bitch / no more Al the High and Mighty now that I’ve flipped the switch”
Aside from the word “bitch” just being derogatory in general, and the fact that it is commonly used against women alluding to Vox trying to demean Alastor in a misogynistic sense by likening him to women as an insult, a “bottom bitch” is a term used in American pimp culture to describe the prostitute who is (ironically) at the top of the hierarchy of prostitutes under a specific pimp, having known the pimp the longest, likely consistently making the most money for the pimp, etc. it’s a sexually charged exploitative term which Vox is using, and the origins of the term are likely something Vox is aware of due to his closeness with Valentino. Calling Alastor his bottom bitch shows that Vox is objectifying him, and highlights the obsession he has with Alastor that does have sexual undertones in some capacity.
At this point in the song, Vox grabs Alastor by the hair and electrocutes him, and the focus in the shot is placed on Alastor’s shadow, which is not smiling, betraying his true feelings of pain, disgust, and, potentially, fear at their current dynamic.
“Flipping the switch” is clearly also in reference to their power dynamic, and the way that Vox is now the one with power over Alastor, and Alastor is below him, unlike during the rejection scene. But there are also the connotations of ‘switching’ in a sexual relationship which are relevant here. Not the main meaning that was intended, but one that does seep through.
“By the time I’ve had my fun / You’ll wish that you had Stayed Gone”
The first part of this line can also be taken as one that alludes to sexual abuse. Vox may be talking about his villainous plans, his “fun” being achieving his goals of reaching Heaven, but given that the focus is mainly on Alastor here, not on Vox’s plans, it also suggests that his “fun” is going to be some form of abuse against Alastor. Vox references Stayed Gone, too, where Alastor had said that he’d make Vox wish he’d Stayed Gone, where now Vox is flipping it and implying he’s going to take revenge in some way for the humiliation he’s faced at Alastor’s hand. Being a victim of sexual abuse often feels humiliating, so this checks out.
Vox crowds in on Alastor’s space, pushing his chair up against the desk and getting between his legs, then pinning Alastor in place by putting his hands on the armrests of the chair. Alastor appears deliberately small in contrast. All of this imagery has concerning and uncomfortable sexual undertones due to the lack of consent on Alastor’s part.
Valentino then tells them both to “just fuck already”, and this is where the episode ends, which means we do not have any idea what happened between this and Bad With Us, which begins S2 Ep5. I don’t believe that Vox would’ve gone with Valentino’s proposal, if anything that might’ve killed his mood, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have raped Alastor at any other given moment, or that the line isn’t there to suggest something.
Poison Parallels
While I was watching S2 Ep4, I felt that some of the imagery in Don’t You Forget (Reprise) reminded me of the imagery in Poison, and when my friend and I were discussing the sense we both got that there were allusions being made to sexual assault throughout the song, I went back through both music videos and realised there were actually far more parallels than I originally noticed, so I think those are worth mentioning here because they illustrate my argument well.
Perhaps the fact that both seasons’ fourth episodes highly centre around one character with a name that starts with A and their abusive dynamic with one of the Vees which in which the A character is a victim.. might be a parallel? But I digress, back to music.
First:
This isn’t the first one that shows up, it’s the first one in Poison but comes up sort of midway through DYFr — I’m putting it first because all of the others happen in a chronological way in both songs, and I find that relevant in and of itself, that each song hits the same visual storytelling beats in an almost identical order. The circumstances of both songs escalate in similar ways.
The parallel here is that both Angel and Alastor are dancing while restrained. I don’t think the act of dancing itself is metaphorical in the same way that it is in Easy, particularly because in Poison we actively see direct imagery of sex, so also portraying it through dance wouldn’t make a ton of sense. What this does illustrate, though, is the power dynamic at play and the lack of control that both Angel and Alastor are experiencing.
I might do a full analysis on Poison one day, but this segment of the song has always struck me as being a flashback to a period of Angel’s relationship with Valentino when he was only just starting to realise the abuse that was occurring, which I think could be mirrored well with Alastor in DYFr, where perhaps he is just now realising that he’s gotten himself into a less-than-ideal situation, and Vox can hurt him more than Alastor originally thought he’d be able to.
Both of these scenes end in the same way too — Vox and Valentino both toss Alastor and Angel away.
The first parallel that actually comes up chronologically in DYFr are these frames:
In Poison this comes after the dancing. Angel and Alastor both appear tense, with hunched shoulders, in the middle of the frame, and — while it is depicted in different ways — Vox and Valentino are looming over them. In the next shot we see that Vox and Valentino are both in essentially the same poses, with their arms out, and this is the parallel that immediately stood out to me the first time I watched DYFr.
In Poison, this shows us how afraid Angel is of Valentino, and how much of a danger Valentino is to him. In DYFr, Vox isn’t a complete silhouette, which could suggest that Alastor isn’t as terrified of him as Angel is of Valentino, but Vox is just as dangerous and just as capable of inflicting the same horrors, hence his identical posing to Val.
Alastor certainly isn’t presented as being safe. And he certainly doesn’t feel that way entirely, judging by his pinned-back ears.
Second:
Both Alastor and Angel are the main focus of the frame, and both of them are restrained by the wrists while seated in compromising positions, while Valentino and Vox are stepping into frame. These frames both lead into similar shots too, in which the respective Vee grabs their victim by the face:
These two also have somewhat similar facial expressions, I think. Both Angel and Alastor are expressing disdain while Vox and Val appear equally smug.
Next:
Of course, in the context of Poison, Angel’s dance isn’t actually happening — the images shown on the blue screens in the background are his real situation. While in DYFr, it’s all in real time, and the backing screens emphasise Alastor’s anger, which Vox is deliberately drawing to attention.
But there is still a similarity in the composition of the frame and the use of the blue screens. This shot is when Vox sings “you could try to squirm and struggle and it wouldn’t do a thing”, which could also describe Angel’s real situation in his scene. In fact, that helplessness is exactly why Angel’s coping mechanism is instead to dissociate and create a fantasy; because struggling and fighting doesn’t get him anywhere. Alastor is more powerful than Angel, but he is still rendered helpless by Vox in this moment.
Finally:
I think these two frames are actually lit in a really similar way, with the glowing eyes and teeth, the shadow on the characters which makes Val, Angel and Alastor all appear to have very similar skin tones (fur tones in angel’s case?). Though, of course, the main point here is the way that Vox/Val are both getting up in Alastor’s/Angel’s personal space, crossing boundaries, being in their faces and making themselves seem intimidating. Of course, Alastor’s facial expression here (smile not included) is not as fearful and worried as Angel’s, but the rest of his body language still reads as tense and uncomfortable, with the hunched shoulders and the pinned back ears. And Vox’s expression is similar to Valentino’s.
Regardless of whether all of these frames are intended to read as paralleling sexual abuse specifically, which is how I’m reading them, it is clear that the animators have used a lot of the same visual cues as Poison to illustrate a power dynamic between Vox and Alastor where Alastor is not the one with more power or control. We know Alastor had a plan, but there is nothing in any of these shots that suggests even an underlying sense of control of the situation on his part. I don’t think he was prepared for everything.
Hints From Other Episodes
This is a weaker and less organised part of this analysis, but I think these things are worth mentioning and I wasn’t sure how else to bring them up.
In S2 Ep3, Angel tells us that Vox “gets off on seein’ people suffer”, which we also had confirmed in S2 Ep1 with Vox finding enjoyment in the compilation of Valentino hitting Angel, and later in S2 Ep6 when Vox says he’s been wanting to hit Angel for a long time. All of these examples involve Angel, but I don’t think it would be far-fetched to think that he feels a similar way about Alastor who he is far more obsessed with than he is with Angel. It could be a thing that is reserved for those people he obsesses over, though, including both of these two because I do think he gets fixated on Angel to some extent occasionally. He brings him up often. Val only brought Angel up to Vox, like, once. Every other time they’ve spoken about him, Vox appears to have initiated it.
In S2 Ep5, directly following and seemingly only a day or something after DYFr, Zeezi tells us that rumours are going around about what sort of things Vox is doing with Alastor, and the one she mentions is the rumour that Vox “fucked him with a chair”. Not particularly strong on its own, but when combined with everything else, it holds more weight. Even if that isn’t exactly what happened, it is an implication that sexual violence could have occured. This may be an exaggeration of the forced voyeurism we saw, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was something more direct.
Additionally, to me, the tone through which Alastor calls Vox a ‘fucking creep’ in the finale felt very emotionally charged to me. Which could mean nothing, but it could also mean something.
Conclusion
In all honesty, I don’t expect any of these things to go anywhere and I’m not sure how seriously Hazbin will take all of this stuff or if Alastair’s captivity under Vox will ever be brought up again — but I think that there is something here, and the reaction of the fandom to take all of this so comedically did upset me when the episode first came out. But I’m kind of hard-wired to pick up on these themes in media where they were not intentionally placed, because trauma, I guess. Still, a part of me wonders how much of this could have really been an accident.
It’s crazy that the common smart ass response to saying you love Alastor is for people to say ‘You can’t fix him.’
First of all bitch, I can’t even fix myself breakfast. What do I look like trying to fix somebody?
Second of all, ‘fixing’ would imply there’s something wrong with him. As if Alastor isn’t perfect.
There is nothing about him I want to fix. The atrocities are a part of him and I think they’re funny.
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another reason i love alastor is because he's for the people with Disorders.
the absolute worst thing to ever ever EVER happen to a disordered person, especially those of us with anxiety based disorders (or disorders with a side effect of anxiety) is for our fears and/or unhealthy coping mechanisms to be validated. and in most media where a disordered character takes the focus, writers try to show them Not being validated, to show that the Disorder is Lying and you can get better!! the disorder is lying to you and you need to know that!
but alastor? oh hell no. every fear and maladaptive habit he has is validated over and over, and it just pushes him further into his poor coping mechanisms and one day it's gonna get him. oh it's gonna. analysis posted per the request of my honorable mutual @alastor-insanity, who got to hear all this first. when the dm reply reads "you should post this actually," who am i to refuse the call?
I know this ain't about her but this is kinda fun contrast to Charlie: She wants to help others but doesn't listen to them/misses HOW she ends up helping them. She thinks teamwork is important, but has a habit of refusing help or getting annoyed when people fail to help (but still tried), only for the people around her to continue to keep trying and she ends up noticing and thinks it reinforces HER mentality.
So, while Alastor has the mentality of "giving and receiving help will only make things worse for you, but doing it yourself will get the results you want", and gets results that reinforce that.
Charlie has the mentality of "Help is always an option and working together will always give the best results. While, doing things alone just makes everything worse", and SHE gets results that reinforce that.
If you want to compare mental health comparisons: It's a person who always had access to therapy/resources and around people who support/understand mental health issues vs A person who never had any resources and is surrounded by societal pressure to not show mental health issues (1900s asylums and hospitals were not great and Alastor is already a distrustful person).
One thinks it's easy/more possible to get healthy coping skills and change for the better for everyone from their experience (I think it says something that Charlie doesn't seem to understand WHY people commit sins/get addictions and assumes simply the action is bad and doing the opposite is the simple way of fixing it), the other believing it impossible and developing unhealthy coping skills (Alastor is a judgemental person but we have yet to see him mock anyone for just having an addiction).
The first time I heard Stayed Gone - specifically Valentino's line about Alastor almost beating Vox - my brain immediately went, "Okay, so Vox absolutely lost that fight and is just telling everyone he won, right? Everything about this screams, 'if you think I look bad, you should see the other guy'." And then actually watching the show locked in that interpretation for me, because spinning things in his favor is what Vox does.
I can't say I'm surprised that so many people just accept his victory without question, because there is a sizable contingent of fans who take whatever the characters say at face value, and I'm sure it has plenty of overlap with the one that thinks Alastor is a fraud. But I am confused that most people take it for granted that Vox won because the other Vees showed up, considering I can't think of a single thing that implies that was the case.
Anyway, I'm convinced that Vox lost, and here's why:
He never brings it up. Barely winning is still winning, but he never says a word about it to anyone under any circumstances. And it's not because he only won with help; the other Vees did help in the fight before Alastor's surrender, but Vox is still very vocal about how he won, including when talking to Alastor himself. So if he also won that mysterious fight, with or without help, why does he never brag about it?
When other people bring it up, he gets agitated. Obviously Valentino mentions it in Stayed Gone, and Vox replies with a very toothless, "Uh, fuck you." There's also a news crawl in S2xE5 that reads, "Breaking news! Alastor to join the Vees after embarrassing defeat at the hands of beloved Media Overlord Vox. Who saw that coming?! Like didn't Vox almost lose last tim-- VoxTek Video premier tonight. "The Inevitable Fall of the Radio Demon" captured in 4k". Which is obvious revisionism.
One could argue that Vox is upset because people always focus on how close the victory was rather than the fact that it was a victory... Except Vox literally controls the news, and he spins everything. He could have flooded the media with reports of his clear victory, and if he made enough noise for long enough, people would stop thinking about the part he didn't want them thinking about. The only reason he would let people remember it as a near-defeat is if he was doing damage control on a worse narrative, which implies that he wasn't able to control the narrative himself before it reached the news. Which would basically require him to be unconscious.
Not a single Overlord took Vox seriously before Alastor's surrender. Even Prick and Hatchet - who are presumably minor Overlords, since they weren't at the S1 meeting - thought so little of him that they had a five dollar bounty on his Wanted poster. Meanwhile, Alastor is regarded so highly, even after his seven-year absence, that people were surprised by his defeat. If Vox had already beaten him once, even if only barely, why was everyone so shocked that he pulled it off a second time?
One could argue that it was surprising because this time it was a clear victory, with no room to question if Vox actually won. But if Alastor is perceived to be so powerful that people assumed Lucifer must have taken him down, and his fight with Vox was close enough for the winner to be in doubt, then even losing would be something worthy of respect. Because it would mean Vox was powerful enough to at least rival Alastor. But again: none of the Overlords took him seriously. So they clearly think he lost, and badly.
Alastor is an unreliable narrator, because of course he would deny ever losing. But he does make a comment about putting Vox in his place a second time, and claims that none of his previous fights with Vox have been a challenge. So one of them has to be lying about who won that fight (Alastor also mentions putting Vox in his place when talking about the "tantrum" he allegedly threw during their falling out, so it's possible he was referring to that when he says he's going to do it a second time. But the thing about none of their other fights being a challenge still stands).
Alastor cares about his reputation, yet he never publicly challenges the allegation that he once lost a fight against Vox, even if narrowly (which could be because he disappeared right after, but we don't actually know where the Mystery Fight falls on the timeline).
Vox, at his most powerful and in his full demon form, fighting an injured Alastor with a broken staff, still manages to lose their fight in the finale. He does turn the tables by calling Shok.wav, but he loses the part of the fight that's actually a fight. And it isn't close. Vox draws some blood, Alastor forces him back into his normal form (mostly) and into a position where Vox, for whatever reason, isn't even fighting back. If he couldn't call Shok.wav, the battle would have been pretty much over. So there's no way he's ever defeated Alastor one-on-one, unless it was through far more clever use of his powers and environment than he's ever demonstrated.
Every time it comes up, it's that Vox "almost lost", not that he "barely won". Considering what normally happens to Overlords Alastor takes down, it's possible the implication is supposed to be that Vox isn't considered to have lost because he escaped. Which is a sort of victory, though certainly not the "winning a fight" kind. And not the kind one would want to brag about.
In conclusion, the evidence that Vox won that fight amounts to "trust me, he did". It's not even his word against Alastor's, because Vox himself doesn't talk about it.
Until/unless canon proves me wrong, my theory is that Vox escaped (or was allowed to escape), and merely surviving the Radio Demon means he didn't technically lose. But he certainly didn't win, which is why he couldn't spin it to say he did, why the other Overlords don't take him seriously despite his not losing, and why he doesn't like people bringing it up.
Which might sound like a stretch, but it wouldn't be the first time the exact meaning of words was important with these two.

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