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I’m a different anon but I feel your post about the over feminisation of Will in my soul.
A lot of the evidence they claim as canon is coming from the Montauk show bible about the description of Will, which is, and I quote: “Will Byers, twelve, is a sweet, sensitive kid with sexual identity issues. He only recently came to the realisation that he does not fit into 1980s definition of “normal”. His innocent choices, such as his colourful clothes, prove a constant source of bullying.”
Nothing and I mean nothing here implies that Will is more feminine. It implies he struggles with his sexuality yes, and that he dresses colourfully, which 80s fashion is already quite colourful but I won’t get into that. For some reason they think Will being sweet and sensitive is gnc of him. I’m sorry, but how is being sweet and sensitive feminine? I know it was considered to be in the 80s as society in general at that time was more misogynistic, but them thinking that it makes him feminine is not as woke as they think it is.
Also it’s worth mentioning that a lot of the things that are mentioned there have been changed in the actual show like Lucas’s name and character and Dustin’s family and so many things really so they can’t even claim it’s canon.
I wouldn’t even mind that headcanon as much if it wasn’t considered to be canon and un debatable by the majority of the fandom. I love Byler, but it became tiring to try and engage with some topics in the fandom. Btw, I don’t view Will or Mike as overly feminine or masculine, they are both quite masc leaning androgynous in their gender expression. And so I won’t get misconstrued, I love feminine gay men and people of all genders expressing their gender identity as they like, I just don’t think Will is feminine. Like some people over exaggerated byler’s height difference (which is only like 2-3 inches btw), make Will way skinnier than he actually is and Mike way buffer, change their voices to fit their specific standards, it makes you wonder if they actually like their characters at all.
Sorry this was longgggg😅
It’s okay I appreciate the long ask 🥹
I haven’t even seen anything in the Montauk bible myself, but if that’s seriously the point they’re using that’s insane.
You guys in my asks are putting thoughts to words in ways I could honestly never 🫶
that person in your comments bringing up STEVE HARRINGTON as an argumental what about-ism for the masculinity/femininity of the male characters in ST as if “mom Steve” hasn’t been an ongoing gag by the cast and within the show itself for literal fucking years, I swear I’ve seen a post made about him for mother’s day by an official netflix social media account at some point way back when….
mannnn he canonically uses women’s hair products too !! of all the men in that show to talk about as a “why don’t you guys ever talk about __ being __ too then hmmmm” Steve is probably the weakest one to use 😭 just goes to show how lame and useless these arguments are like why do they take it so seriously like it’s the bible or something like I bet I could list off at least 3 things that make these men more feminine than masculine and someone else could have an argument for it because ! and say it with me ! most people are NOT a monolith !!!!! and especially not queer people because there are so many of us in so living so many different lives !!!!! one day someone who has always been masculine presenting in terms of attitude/appearance and then wake up to realize that they don’t like it for themselves anymore and vise versa and a mixture of all of it
the day That subsection of bylers discovers that no one is 100% right or wrong when talking about their headcanons isn the day we can all sleep peacefully lol
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(sorry in advance for the think piece feel free to brush past this lmao)
if anyone says that s4 Mike is even a little bit fem #THEY will jump down your throat talking about how “oh but Mike wasn’t himself then he was lost within himself he was struggling with his identity he was just copying Eddie >:(” like yeah… eddie whom he greatly looked up to btw lmao 😭😭😭 but then again these are the same people saying that Will is “canonically” a twink and their big point of reference is him (13/14 year old child btw) in s3 wearing shorts (80s typical summer attire that even the hunkiest celebrity heartthrobs were wearing btw)
they hear gnc and run with it by making Will practically into a girl conveniently forgetting that it’s gender NON-CONFORMING and that by force-femming him so hard they’re putting him into another box (that isn’t even all that canon if I may say) they aren’t being liberating they’re just being weird and lowkey homophobic because oh wow you think the shorter less obnoxious one is your feminine submissive twink bottom oh my who could have possibly seen that coming !!! lmao….. and dare I say…. Max is just as gnc as Will is but that’s a different conversation for a different day bc I know y’all aren’t ready to hear it…
this “conversation” just makes me so uncomfortable even as a fairly feminine gay guy myself but god forbid anyone ever counter argue because then we’re the ones “ignoring canon facts” like okay girl all I know is that there was only one male character wearing a skinny sparkly “girly” belt in s5 and it was not Will Byers 😭😭
I have way too many thoughts about this bullshit but I’ll set you free now lol
ily bro thank you for this ramble, you are so right
Every point here is everything I could never put into proper words 🥹💜
I also see some conversations from other fandoms which made me think to the byler fandom. It’s mainly the conversation about the homophobia in and of itself surrounding when people disregard canon to make the characters fit heterosexual stereotypes which eughhhhh free the byler fandom from this shit
Seeing the green yuri lesbyler aus people make is great, it’s just it shows a lot about how the byler fandom will prefer mischaracterization if it suits their fem Will agenda.
This also applies to how I’ve seen bylers view lesbyler in general.
Before I start, I wanna say that if some of this is jumbled then that is my fault. My blood sugar has been under 60 the entirety of writing this.
Mitsuki and Aya in canon (I believe, but if not then it is heavily implied) are butch and femme.
Femmes are what were considered “straight passing” or appeared in what was considered a feminine way. Femmes challenge the ideas of what makes a person feminine, such as equating femininity to being vulnerable. They don’t identify with the heteronormative system of femininity, and push back on the misogynistic ideas that feminine people are defined through.
Femmes tend to use the fact they pass as straight to stand up for butches who were a big social and physical target for not being what was considered “straight passing”.
Butches on the other hand are more masculine in their presentation, and challenge gender conventions of its time as well as speaking to working-class lesbian experience.
They were/are seen as not doing women “right”, and that they’re trying to be/act like a man.
The red-orange stripe in the butch flag represents courage, since being butch is stigmatized. It symbolizes the strength they share in learning to find and love themselves.
Mitsuki is a more reserved person. She gets nervous when in the spotlight, is prone to anxiety, and has low self-esteem.
She is a caring person who tends to prioritize others over herself. She also faced bullying as a kid for not presenting herself as typically feminine.
Aya is an extroverted person that is good at blending in. She feels strongly, but struggles to verbalize it. She avoids confrontation out of fear of hurting others or herself.
Mitsuki’s patience allows Aya to grow without pressure. Their bond is built on understanding.
We also see in the third manga that Aya is loud about defending Mitsuki. Such as when the boy in class finds Mitsuki’s song book and is being cruel and teasing about it, which causes Mitsuki to shut down and run out. Aya jumps to her defense quickly. She shouts at the guy, gets Mitsuki’s journal back, and openly worries when Mitsuki doesn’t return for a while.
Aya also goes out of her way to make social situations more comfortable for Mitsuki. She cares a lot for Mitsuki, and is shown defensive of her. Not to mention how encouraging she is of Mitsuki. She wants Mitsuki to succeed.
Mitsuki has been shown to downplay herself, Aya has been quick to uplift her.
How does this relate to byler?
Let’s start with byler themselves in canon.
Mike is openly quick to jump to Will’s defense. He is louder, and more outspoken than Will is. Will is soft spoken, amicable, and sweet. His interests, and how he presents himself, have led to bullying most if not all of his life. He also deals with feelings of being alienated from peers, and friends. He puts others before himself, and is committed to helping friends and family.
Mike in the context of being queer is a prime definition of being compulsory heterosexuality. He tries to keep his presentation on the masculine side, and doesn’t want to draw attention to anything else. The only time we see him actively defy those expectations—conformity—is in season 4.
Say we swap their genders.
Would that not keep their stories similar?
Female Mike—who I’m going to call Michelle—would present herself in a stereotypically feminine way, but I would assume she would be just as defensive of Willow—Will—as she is in canon, no?
Female Will—who I’m going to refer to as Willow—wouldn’t have the same kind of story as in canon if she was stereotypically feminine. If Will in canon was targeted for not being typically masculine, then wouldn’t it make more sense for Willow to be targeted for not being typically feminine?
In the context of green yuri, people like to make Michelle the Mitsuki of the au, and Willow the Aya of their au. Except based on everything I’ve talked about would it not make more sense the opposite way? In terms of Michelle and Willow it would make more sense with Michelle being a femme, and Willow being butch.
Here’s the thing about the byler fandom though. They don’t like it when Will is anything BUT feminine. They don’t like when you mention how both Will and Mike have gender non-conforming aspects to their characters.
So when we talk about how it would make more sense for Willow to be masculine, they don’t want to hear it.
Let’s talk about lawless byler while we are at it.
Lawless byler has done a LOT of damage to the byler community. Not just in how people view their stories and characterize them, but also in how they treat other peoe in the byler community who might have differences in opinions than them.
Before lawless byler went mainstream, it was a chill community. Nobody cared if your preferences of bottom or top didn’t match theirs, it was a don’t like don’t interact system. Even then people in the community liked to support others regardless of if they had shared opinions on the matter.
Now that lawless byler is mainstream, that system has changed.
If you even dare to mention the idea of Mike not being their buff masculine stereotype (which he in canon does not fit with) they will be so quick to argue instead of hearing you out. Not even talking about the top/bottom conversation.
If you happen to prefer bottom!Mike, the bullying is immediate. I’ve seen twitter posts where people talk about it, and they get harassed for it.
I saw a specific twt post where someone commented on the bullying the bottom!Mike community gets, and the most liked comment under it was that “they should bully the community more”.
There’s my rant, I’m so sick of how the byler community is acting nowadays. It’s truly pushing me away from the community I used to adore.
Will Byers fanart so ooc friend deadass thought it was an oc I’m crying I’m so sick of the mischaracterization in the byler fandom
“Y’all want Mike to be fem so bad” and then y’all cheer at Will in a slip dress
Mike Wheeler deserves a tramp stamp it has been on my mind for too long
as much as I love the idea of this on a lower back u gotta admit that mike ‘he’s an honest-to-god real-life sorcerer’ wheeler would have it above his heart
Oh ur so right actually
Mike Wheeler deserves a tramp stamp it has been on my mind for too long

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How life feels after blocking every b!Mike hater I see
I need conformity gate to stop popping up every month LET ME BE FREE GUYS IM TOO GULLIBLE TO KEEP DOING THIS
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does anyone else have issues with procreate timelapse, I deadass just spent like 3 hours on a drawing and it only recorded half of it I’m so mad bro
My friend @b33anie got me back into drawing my ocs again so here’s an entire doodle page (all of which are refs lol)
The shorter one with stubble is Jacob and the taller one with extremely fluffy hair is Ash
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