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Save me countrycide Ianto. Come back to me, the kids miss you.

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sometimes you have to sit down and decide "do i think this was a bad narrative choice or is this just the part of my brain that wants to see all my favorite characters end the story perfectly happy and thriving." and its surprisingly hard to tell sometimes because that part of my brain is loud as fucccckkkk.
Sometimes I laugh at those posts about torchwood that are like "torchwood is sometimes the best show ever made and sometimes genuinely the worst thing anyone has ever seen".
But I just read "something in the water" and "trace memory" back to back and dude.
Sitw is so fucking bad. It's so clearly a poorly disguised masoginistic fetish. Genuinely
Tm just beat my ass and I thanked it. Is Jack capable of being in a romantic relationship that doesn't tear my heart out and step on it? First Ianto, then Angelo, now Michael. Jack, stop getting into doomed gay relationships, my heart can't take it.
Thank you Torchwood novel "trace memory" for finally answering a question i've had since my first watch through of Torchwood.
In the season two episode "adam" Owen is wearing glasses.
I assumed they were just to make him look less attractive. But I made a joke to myself that it would be funny if he actually always needed glasses but was so concided that he wouldn't wear them (knowing they look stupid) until Adam made him care less about his physical appearance.
Apparently this is true and canon. Owen has a throw away line in "trace memory" about not being able to read/needing glasses.
It's canon
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Timelord victorious but it's Jack saving Tosh, Owen, and Ianto.
Imagine if it ends with Gwen working with the doctor to stop him because even though she's greiving too, she knows Jack as gone too far.

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Everything I learn about Peter Capaldi makes him infinitely cooler. He's a Scottish independent, he's a gutarist-director-actor, he met Tom Baker as a teen and got in a newspaper, he likes the theater and pantomime, he's a punk, people make asexuality pride gifs of him as Malcolm Tucker here, his main companion in his run of DW is now an immortal oil lesbian
he's been in both Paddington and Suicide Squad
Ianto
HE WAS 25 WHEN HE DIED???? FUFKING TWENTY FIVE????
HE WAS 21 DURRIMG TORCHWOOD ONE. HE WAS FUCKING 22 WHEN HE MET JACK. OF CORSE HE TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS ENTIRE LIFE ENDED BEFORE HE HIT TWENTY THREE.
Dude. I'm losing my mind. Everything makes so much more sense now.
He was kind of selfish and short sighted? He was 23. Of course he was.
He changed drastically as the show progressed, maturing a lot? Of course he did, he was in his early twentys.
He was weirdly horny about a lot of stuff? HE'S TWENTY THREE. FUCKING OF CROUSE HE ISS.
This is the worst information i've ever heard. They would've had so much time together. He was so young.
Of course he made rash decisions. Of course he was impulsive. Of course he had a lot to learn. Of course he almost burned down the world because of his first real girlfriend. OF COURS EHE WAS A PA. HE WAS TWENTY.
He was a fucking baby.
Genuinely every rewatch/listen is going to make me even more upset now. I thought he was at least late twentys at the start, into at LEAST his thirtys when he died. I thought he just looked young.
OH MY GOD ALL THE SHIT THAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN "the death of captain jack" HE WAS LIKE 21 FOR.
AUFH
Fucking no wonder he tried to kill himself after getting his shit absolutely rocked by murderers. Of course he was confused about his sexuality. Of course he found solice in his very attractive boss's bed. OF COURSE HE HAD ISSUES WITH HIS BORDERLINE ABUSIVE FATHER. HE WAS LIKE TWENTY TWO.
Of course he didn't have a sense of identity.
OF COURSE HE LOVES THE BOND MOVIES AND STAR WARS HE'S A BABY. HE WAS A TEENAGER LIKE FOUR MINUTES AGO.
Listening to Torchwood one rn and it is fucking wild that Ianto initiated what he did with Jack.
He already had one awful relationship with a Torchwood head who manipulated his naivety to use him. It's no wonder that when Jack said he wasn't sure about a workplace relationship Ianto's immediate response is "i never said anything about a relationship".
It's also no wonder that he immediately started flirting with Jack as a way to get into Torchwood.
Man he learned the wrong lessons from that place.
Although Jack was probably actually a breath of fresh air. I mean Jack obviously wanted Ianto but he never made a move until Ianto initated it. For all his faults, Jack was respectful and never took advantage of his power over Ianto.
Torchwood one is crazy for giving a gay romance on par with Janto and they're both background characters and barely even spoken about.
Kerin is an incredibly attractive man who flirts with women insistently but never actually dates or sleeps with them because he's a closeted gay man and knows that his family would never approve.
He's convinced to ask another man on a date while very drunk, when he does they grow close very quickly.
Then he watches that man die in an utterly gruesome way.
And THEN in retcon-ed to the point that he doesn't even remember coming out in the first place.
That rant he has about "there is a dent in my pillow the shape of his head and the second I turn the pillow over he's gone. The last of him is gone"
My God. Rip K&D, you will always be famous

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how many times did jack go âand now the doctor is going to show up and save the earth like they always doâ but they dont, they dont show up, no blue box, no screwdriver, nothing, and it gets worse, abbadon, no doctor, 456, no doctor, the miracle, no doctor, do they care? do they really love earth, humans, like they say they do? maybe theyâre only capable of loving one at the time, show them the beauty of the universe, let them burn bright before they burn out, but do they really love humans like you do? did they spend the last 200 years protecting the human race? not really, not like you did. you spent every waking hour praying to them to show up, because they solve everything with grace and wit, and everytime you try to solve anything you end up covered in blood, you succeed but itâs always at a cost, and theyâre nowhere to be seen. do they care? maybe not, but you do, and youâre going to do anything to save the planet you now call home. and itâs ironic, right? they put you in this position, do they know? youâre immortal and stuck there, forever. youâre a fixed point in time because you have to be there, itâs your job, itâs your duty, immortality is not a mistake, it cant be, it has to have a higher purpose, right? right. so you wake up every day, shakes off those feelings of âtheyâre gonna come, one day or anotherâ and get to work, because no, jack, theyâre not gonna show up, you have to save the earth, you have to remember everything they taught you, roll up your sleeves and do it. do it messily, but do it. save the earth, cause theyâre not gonna show up. you learned your lesson, youâre alone in this.
I believe that Torchwood One had to have some files on Jack Harkness.
Because, 1, he was there for like hundreds of years.
And 2, Ianto knew EXACTLY what he was doing to get into Torchwood Three. That suit? The compliments on The Coat? Come onnnn.
Iâm sorry to send two asks so close to each other, but I just thought of another character
Ianto Jones from Torchwood!!
Ianto Jones from Torchwood is Autistic!
Non comprehensive list of things that i've mentally retconed from Jack Harkness' character because I think it's the writers weird beliefs bleeding through to the character. (My "he would not fucking say that" list).
That weird transphobic joke he made in s1 ep7. Jack would not have issues with trans people. In fact he would probably not even notice, it's so normlized in his time that he doesn't raise an eyebrow at it (see: Cassandra being canonically trans. "Ladies, gentlement, and all variations there apon". Ect). Jack has also definitely done drag and drag queens/kings. He does not give a single flying dick about what someone identifys as. Just tell him what to call you and how to fuck you and he's happy.
The body shaming. That man fucks aliens. He does not care about what someone weights.
His weird rant about estrogen in the water? What was even the point of that joke? "Haha women bad"?? Jack's lucky Ianto wasn't there cuz he'd rock jack's shit for that.
Every time he calls a women a bitch. Idk why, I just feel like he wouldn't. He has a base level of respect for everyone, regardless of what they've done and there are lines that he doesn't cross no matter what. It just feels weird (especially in "something in the water" which is the example I can think of off the top of my head. The "water hag" (already a wild monster name, I really think that writer had a bug up his ass about a lot of things) was trying to repopulate earth with her children, which would kill humanity but it's also a somewhat understandable reasoning and I don't think Jack would be demeaning her about her gender for trying to keep her species alive.)
adding to the list- in doctor who when he says "the pleasure was all mine, and that's all that matters in the end".
I feel like they were still trying to figure out Jacks character and he changed a lot in between then and Torchwood/where he ended up.
Listen, I know there's a pop culture reference about some brittish comedy show and that's probably why but Ianto really named the animal that lead to Jack finally accepting him and welcoming him into his home and life "my beloved" in his native language? And the name was popularized by a song in which a man laments his unrequited love?
Ianto...

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When I was in high school one of my teachers called me a communist. In front of the entire class.
I was 14.
He wasn't even the worst teacher there. My science teacher was a condescending probably paedophile.
Gray died in the Torchwood frozen stores.
I wonder how many nights Jack stays up thinking about the fact that he let gray go again.
He let go of his hand again.
Gray died again. Because of Jack again.
Because he forgot him. Because he let him go.