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Did Madoc risk his childrens lives ( ig except Vivi huh) multiple times to further his agenda? Yep. Did his mother go to battle while she was pregnant with him. Gave BIRTH on the battlefield strapped him to her back and went BACK to fighting? I feel like a baby on the battlefield is next level child endangerment.

I think Madoc is relatively soft as a father. He lets Viviane follow her whims even though as his firstborn she shoulve been his successor. He lets Taryn have more noble interest. He didnt force Jude into becoming a knight. Oak is thr only one who he cut his destiny in stone but even then he woulve taken the responsibilities of king.

He is fairly relaxed with his children and his parenting. In a world where children are few four children are an incredible power. To make them all generals and send them to conquer more land for him to rule over wouldve absolutely been the most beneficial route to acquiring power. And yet he forces none of them which I highly doubt is traditional to redcaps or how he was raised.

make alicent be a victim

make alicent have a lot of sex scenes

make alicent have super hyper sexualized moments revolving just her

make alicent be a minor when she has sex with a grown old man king who is now supposedly her best friends dad

make alicent get kissed by aemond her own son who has such bad mommy issues he does weird shit at brothels

make alicent get nearly assaulted by some random man

make alicent be a victim

make alicent have a lot of sex scenes

make alicent have super hyper sexualized moments revolving just her

make alicent be a minor when she has sex with a grown old man king who is now supposedly her best friends dad

make alicent get kissed by aemond her own son who has such bad mommy issues he does weird shit at brothels

make alicent get nearly assaulted by some random man

@ahsoka-in-a-hood

No, making fun of two showrunners for turning queer-coded or queer female dynamics into awkward shock-value fanservice is not homophobic. Criticizing the way a show uses women kissing as bait, spectacle, or kink material is not homophobic. Pointing out that something feels written through a creepy male-gaze-adjacent filter is not homophobic either. In fact, that is usually the criticism people make because they want queer representation to be treated with more respect, not less.

What is actually stupid is throwing “homophobic” into the comments because you didn’t like the joke and had no stronger argument. That accusation is serious. It has meaning. Using it every time someone criticizes bad writing, bad queerbaiting, or fetishized fanservice cheapens the word until it becomes just another fandom shield for “you said something I personally disliked.”

And I don’t know if you’re defending this shitshow or if you got lost in the anti-HOTD tags like a confused little tourist, but either way, this was not the clever moral correction you thought it was. If your entire argument is “you sound homophobic” because people are mocking C&H’s writing choices, then you’re not arguing. You’re emotionally flinging a serious label at strangers and hoping it sticks.

I’ve written smut in every possible combination under the sun, which only proves you saw the ask, skimmed the comments, ignored all context, and decided to be loud and stupid on purpose.

This is still going, by the way. Somehow. 😑

Because one joke about C&H writing female relationships like awkward fetish bait has now turned into a full-blown moral panic in comments.

The only person obsessively dragging lesbian porn into the conversation is the person accusing everyone else of doing it.

We were talking about bad writing, shock-value fanservice, and how this show handles queer dynamics like it learned representation from a cursed browser history. They are the one who keeps circling back to porn like a haunted Roomba.

She’s older than Aemond and wears clothes similar to Alicent’s—evoking his "mommy issues"—yet her witchy vibe makes her seem somewhat detached from reality, just like Helaena.

It’s as if she embodies the two women Aemond wanted most, all rolled into one person.

In the show, Aemond was seemingly want to marry Helaena from childhood, and as an young man he feels she understands him because they share the same blood that connects them to dragons.

But on the other hand, he desires Alicent because of the trauma Aegon II inflicted on him by forcing him to sleep with an older woman at a brothel.

It’s completely bizarre.

Viewed this way, the idea that the show portrays Alys as a great love for Aemond is ridiculous.

For one thing, in the book, she is his victim. But even looking strictly at the show, she just seems like a substitute.

Logically speaking—since the show is not going make them as an abusive dynamic—it should be logically a relationship where both parties use each other to get what they couldn't obtain on their own.

Except we already know they’re going to portray them as a "power couple"...

I don't even ship helaemond, but paradoxically, Phia has more chemistry with Ewan than Gayle (Alys, Aemond's"sexy soulmate") or Olivia.

She’s older than Aemond and wears clothes similar to Alicent’s—evoking his "mommy issues"—yet her witchy vibe makes her seem somewhat detached from reality, just like Helaena.

It’s as if she embodies the two women Aemond wanted most, all rolled into one person.

In the show, Aemond was seemingly want to marry Helaena from childhood, and as an young man he feels she understands him because they share the same blood that connects them to dragons.

But on the other hand, he desires Alicent because of the trauma Aegon II inflicted on him by forcing him to sleep with an older woman at a brothel.

It’s completely bizarre.

Viewed this way, the idea that the show portrays Alys as a great love for Aemond is ridiculous.

For one thing, in the book, she is his victim. But even looking strictly at the show, she just seems like a substitute.

Logically speaking—since the show is not going make them as an abusive dynamic—it should be logically a relationship where both parties use each other to get what they couldn't obtain on their own.

Except we already know they’re going to portray them as a "power couple"...

I don't even ship helaemond, but paradoxically, Phia has more chemistry with Ewan than Gayle (Alys, Aemond's"sexy soulmate") or Olivia.

She’s older than Aemond and wears clothes similar to Alicent’s—evoking his "mommy issues"—yet her witchy vibe makes her seem somewhat detached from reality, just like Helaena.

It’s as if she embodies the two women Aemond wanted most, all rolled into one person.

In the show, Aemond was seemingly want to marry Helaena from childhood, and as an young man he feels she understands him because they share the same blood that connects them to dragons.

But on the other hand, he desires Alicent because of the trauma Aegon II inflicted on him by forcing him to sleep with an older woman at a brothel.

It’s completely bizarre.

Viewed this way, the idea that the show portrays Alys as a great love for Aemond is ridiculous.

For one thing, in the book, she is his victim. But even looking strictly at the show, she just seems like a substitute.

Logically speaking—since the show is not going make them as an abusive dynamic—it should be logically a relationship where both parties use each other to get what they couldn't obtain on their own.

Except we already know they’re going to portray them as a "power couple"...

She was labeled a "war prize" in the book! You bunch of fools! The romanticization of this relationship disgusts me to no end... And no, Alys wasn't acting as Aemond's partner in crime. She was his spoils of war and was forced to be with him. She literally led him to his death of her own volition in the end! It's beyond obvious!

@lizzie-queenofmeigas

At this point, almost anything is preferable to Alysmond being shoved down our throats.

Luckily, I managed to grab screenshots before the dramatic exit. So here are her last comments (I have more, I’ll reblog it) along with the response I was going to give anyway:

So first of all, I don’t know what you’re doing under an anti-HOTD and anti-Alysmond post trying to recruit me into the Harrenhal candlelit hostage romance cult, but it is genuinely fucking funny. 🤣

Of all people, you decided to educate me on dark romance and gothic romance. Babe. My older followers are probably laughing into their tea right now. Dark romance is my damn specialty. I know what it is. I write it. I read it. I can recognize it when it’s actually being done well, and whatever HOTD is doing with Alys and Aemond is not that. 🙃

Calling something “gothic romance” does not magically make it good. Gothic romance still needs atmosphere, tension, structure, emotional logic, character motivation, and an actual arc. It is not just “two lonely people, spooky castle, blood on the floor, woman looks mysterious.”

And yes, interpretations can differ. That does not mean every interpretation is equally convincing or that I have to pretend bad logic is profound because you wrapped it in “grey area” language. The book being vague does not mean every fanon reading suddenly becomes canon. Mystery gives room for interpretation, not a blank check to ignore the actual power dynamics and context.

Aemond took Harrenhal after wiping out House Strong. Alys is tied to him after that violence. You cannot just skip over that because “he didn’t treat her like other war prizes.” That is such a fucking low bar it’s practically buried under Harrenhal. “He listened to her,” “he called her his lady,” “he may have married her,” none of that erases the fact that their dynamic begins in conquest, bloodshed, and imbalance. Men in power can be fascinated by women they still hold power over. That does not automatically make it some great tragic romance. Sometimes it just means he was obsessed and she was smart enough to survive him.

And no, “they are both lonely outsiders” is not a substantial romantic foundation by itself. That is the most basic shipper math imaginable. Two isolated characters do not automatically equal deep romance. You still need buildup. You still need coherent writing. You still need the audience to understand why this matters beyond the writers clearly getting very excited about a man crawling wounded at a witch woman’s feet.

Sorry, but that is not gothic. 😂 It’s just Hess being bad at her job.

Also, calling me emotional because I’m blunt is boring. People always do this when they can’t handle being disagreed with. I’m not mad the show didn’t go in the direction I wanted. I’m making fun of bad writing, bad adaptation choices, and fandom pretending fanon crumbs are a literary feast. There is a difference, even if apparently we need a maester, three ravens, and a common sense to explain it.

Wtf...

@kittenfangirl20

laena was 22 when she married daemon (not 15/6 like in the show - i think that's how old she was, we'll never know thanks to the time jumps) and they loved each other - he killed her betrothed so they might marry, and she and rhaenyra were close friends (aka she was not completely isolated in pentos with a man who didn't love her)

alicent was 18 when she married viserys, who was not as old as he is in the show (and ofc 18 and 28 is still gross, not denying that, but still different than 15 and 40+) - and whilst we obviously can't know since fire and blood does not provide povs for the characters, we have very little reason to believe her life was as miserable as the show chose to make it, until blood and cheese

rhaena had the time of her fucking life in the vale (and most definitely did not bond with sheepstealer who then accidentally killed jace, which 100% scarred her for life and will probably result in rhaenyra wanting her dead) - obviously as much of the "time of her life" as she could have whilst her siblings were dropping like flies

but at the same time, ignoring other womens' canon suffering

aemma was 11 when she married viserys, 13 when they consummated the marriage (nice way of putting it), 15 when she birthed her only living child - she spent most of her life getting impragnated until it killed her, and the show barely mentioned it

rhaenyra was 7 when her mother died, and 9 when aegon was born and alicent decided that rhaenyra was her sworn enemy (instead of getting mad at viserys for not changing the line of succession like she wanted), and around that same age when alicent implied she was trying to get with criston (aka that a child was somehow seducing a grown ass man) - according to rumors, she was 15 when a 31 year old daemon took her virginity - she was 17 when she got married and birthed her first child, and 33 when she lost visenya (barely ever mentioned, because i'm sure losing her daughter and almost losing her life as her mother did, did not affect her whatsoever) - after losing lucerys, she was willing to give it all up due to her grief

helaena was 13 when she was married to aegon, 14 when she birthed the twins and 16/7 when she gave birth to maelor - she was 20 when two assassins forced her to choose which one of her sons would die, whilst helaena begged them to take her instead, and one of the assassins threatened to rape her daughter if she didn't make her choice - and on that same night, her son was beheaded right in front of her - she lost herself to her grief, unable to look at the son she’d chosen

rhaenys was 15 when she was betrothed to corlys, who was 37 (yes ik she asked jaehaerys to allow the marriage, but i also know that a 15 year old is not responsible for whatever lead to her "wanting" to marry a man older than her own father) - she bore two children and buried them both within days of each other

alys rivers was a war prize who aemond took for pleasure after showing up to her home with a dragon and an army, and slaughtering everyone alys had ever known (i really dgaf about any green arguments to justify aemond here, and as i hope is clear now, i don’t care about what the show does)

(i only included the stuff the show has already covered, obviously there's other things that will happen as the story goes on)

i'm not saying anyone's suffering is greater than anyone else's, just that the show seems to pick and choose which suffering they deem worthy of reminding us of every two seconds (the one they made up for alicent), and which suffering they want to ignore (everyone else's)

this is not to diminish what show alicent went through, but just to point out that other women suffered as well, and it's not given half the attention alicent's is (because whilst some things were changed, as far as we know, helaena was still married off at 13, and it's never once brought up)

people of any age can be victims - aemond showed up at harrenhal with a dragon and an army, killed everyone within except alys, because he wanted to fuck her - she was his war prize - their age difference does not automatically indicate that she was the perpetrator - context is important

you could argue the same thing with show alicent - after viserys' death, she put aegon on the throne (and before y'all bring up the misunderstanding bullshit, the usurpation had been in her head for years before that) - does that mean she also wanted viserys all along? does that negate what happened before alicent decided to try and make her suffering mean something, just as i think alys did?

the rumors about alys being a witch in the book are just that, rumors (just like the ones about alicent and viserys sleeping together before they were married, or of aegon being found in bed with a 12 year old) - most claims made about her magic are immediately followed by "others say that...", aka they are rumors