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I love The Good Place so much, it's a fantastic show, but I will never get over how one of the first things Michael says is "Every major religion guessed about five per cent right [about the afterlife]", citing Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus as examples, and then presents an afterlife concept so Christian that I've met multiple real-life Christians who believe that that's how it works.
#you know what that's a really good point#I guess you could argue he was lying?#but that'd make zero sense
I like to think that he just doesn't know shit about religion. He wanted to sound smart and didn't bother looking up the accuracy of his patter first.
I mean he also was lying at the time, he was literally presenting Elanor with a fake Good Place in a completely fake scenario. It's possible he lied about this too, or yeah just guessed without looking into it.
He was making a fake scenario but it would be ridiculous for him to describe his fake scenario as being five per cent of everything when it's so clearly at least 85% Christianity. Like there's no reason to say "he buddhists guessed about 5% right" about the scenario he's presenting unless he genuinely doesn't know shit about Buddhism. Which I think is the case; he just doesn't know much about human religion.
He also likes to stay as close to the truth as possible because lies are more reliable and easy to maintain that way; he was honest about Doug Forcett in the same explanation. I think he just incorrectly believed that the basics of all the religions he mentioned were pretty much the same.
we imagine to most even nominal white christians, it's so what they expect that they wouldn't even think of it as being "christian" - imagine landing up in that particular version of "heaven" (with its manicured lawns and frozen yoghurt shops) if you came from central asia or the amazon basin or literally any other culture other than west european/white north americas - and perhaps the writers had the same blind spot, or perhaps it was deliberate?
In the fiction that Michael was building, that neighbourhood was built to the preference of the 322 humans it was made to house, and other neighbourhoods would be tailored to their residents. (Though he did insist that they all had frozen yoghurt. "People love frozen yoghurt, I don't know what to tell ya.") Michael was aware that paradises would be specific to the cultures and individual preferences of their residents.
He simply seemed unaware that a system of cosmic justice where exhibiting enough virtue sends you to paradise for all eternity and committing enough sins sends you to hell for all eternity is very much not "all religions guessed about 5% right." Telling Eleanor that there was variation in what the specific heavens were like did not stop them from being modern popular Christianity with Jesus' name carefully whited out.
I mean. It's a fantasy series that starts with the protagonists waking up to learn that most of humanity has been captured by monsters and are now being treated very, very badly — but good news! You, and these few hundred strangers, are in the control group! No need to worry about anything!
And everyone just accepts that. At no point in the first season does anyone even glance at questions like, so what are the torture-aliens getting out of this? What, exactly, makes us so sure we can trust their promises? And wouldn't this entire situation have given me some serious moral heeby-jeebies back when I was alive?
Yeah every time I watch The Good Place I realise that the vast majority of people, if they were put in Michael's torture machine, would realise that something was extremely wrong before going to bed on the first night.
Not because the system is obviously unfair and terrible; that's completely fine. People deal with unfair and terrible systems all the time and there's no reason why going to an afterlife that sucks on a cosmic level means that the afterlife is fake -- maybe the universe just isn't fair. No, anyone who was a fraction less self-absorbed than the four humans would've figured it out by the party.
Because Michael does the little orientation video, where he explains the system. He explains that they, the very BEST people, who did the most good in the world, made it to heaven. And everybody else? "Don't worry about it." He says this to a guy who apparently died after donating his kidneys to a stranger on a bus. He says this to a guy who apparently spent half his life fighting for women's rights and the other half for gay rights in oppressive environments. He says this to a woman who apparently arranged, against the government, a volunteer organisation to personally go out there and clear out minefields around areas frequented by children. And then they all go to a big party...
and they don't give a shit.
At that point it should be blatantly obvious that the good place is fake. Because if you gather a bunch of people together based on the criteria that they selflessly gave their lives to help others, often "bad" people, and you tell them "oh, the vast majority of those people you helped will be tortured forever, don't worry about them, you get to relax in paradise, let's have a party", you would have a riot right there at the orientation. "Good" people, by the criteria Michael proposes, the kind of people who do the things that the actors are claiming they do, would simply not accept that; it goes against everything they are and everything they do. They would do exactly what they did for their whole lives, they would exhibit the priorities and personalities that got them into the good place in the first place.
I'd sit through the presentation thinking "okay, everyone's got their brave faces on, they don't want to attack an angel without preparation, this rebellion will require work, fine," and put on a fake smile, but when they gather at the party and there's not a hint of rebellion, of rage, of righteous fury against heaven? At that point, most people would know immediately that the people around them are lying. It just doesn't make sense for 322 people to change so radically in such a situation.
Fortunately for Michael, he did select four of the most self-absorbed people in the world for his experiment, and they don't pay enough attention to notice.
but this begs the question of what other people in the "real" Good Place were doing? Did they just spend eternity questioning the Judge and angels and Janets and not getting an answer? What makes Chidi & Tahani & Eleanor & Jason special enough that they caused reform in Heaven, despite not being (or at least not starting out as) the very best of humanity? Would the entire system have crumbled with any four selfish clowns getting a fake Good Place? Is the plot moved not by the four main characters but by Michael's failed ambition?
The people in the "real" good place were perpetually hopeless, listless and unhappy, drugged out of their minds on things like cosmic milkshakes that slowly eroded their focus. They probably did rebel a lot to begin with. By the time we see them, it's been centuries or millennia for everyone there. And they haven't been getting memory resets.
They probably were furious when they arrived. They probably fought and pleaded against their keepers for years. And their keepers had meetings where they talked about how unhappy the humans were and what they could add to make the afterlife more fun, like unicorns and giant mini donuts (not the same as regular donuts -- Dave will explain).
But the most iron-willed human in the world can only hold up for so many centuries against an impossibly powerful force that simply will not accept that systemic problems exist and that is continually plying them with happy drugs.
I don't think Chidi was "hopelessly self-absorbed" so much as that, in his life, he was constantly being slapped in the face with "other people do not put nearly as much thought into ethics as you do, even good people".
So he assumed no one else cared because his life had taught him no one else cared, and since a rebellion of 1 is never going to work, he didn't think he could fight the system. (I am kind of surprised he didn't march into Michael's office and demand to be sent to hell because there is nothing anyone can do to deserve eternal torture and therefore nothing anyone can do to deserve eternal happiness when others are being eternally tortured... but maybe he did and Michael laughed at him and told him not to worry about it, and he realized he was all alone with his concerns and had no realistic way to do anything about it. And then when he met Eleanor he had to first solve the problem of "she's totally self centered" before he had any hope of getting her on board for a rebellion against heaven.)
It did not occur to Chidi that other good people would have a problem with this because none of the good people he met in his life cared nearly as much about this shit as he did. And because Chidi can't tell the difference between "an air conditioner is made under conditions that are probably causing harm to people" and "many people who don't deserve it are being tortured eternally". His biggest flaw in life was being paralyzed because all unethical choices seemed to him to have equal weight.
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