its just so fucking infuriating when people say "okay but he did do it" like okay. and so that justifies the british tabloids driving him to suicide? come the fuck on thats obviously not the reason he was so directly targeted and its not a justification
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Jonathan E. Steinberg, writer/creator/producer of Black Sails: It was a complicated relationship with a lot going on under the surface. Starz gave us the freedom to allow some of these relationships to exist without specific labels and to embrace that people don’t always say what they’re feeling and exist in the space that people don’t even know about themselves. [...] They became singular to each other. And maybe the person who they had the closest and most personal relationship with. [...] We knew how we wanted it to feel. We knew we wanted to bring these two guys as close together as they’ve maybe ever been with anybody in their lives, and have it end tragically. [...] They should be the most important person – each to the other – that you can imagine. If there was never anything there then there’s no tragedy. [...] we were constantly aware that the cop-outs would be easy and sort of trying to avoid the cop-outs, but also trying to embrace how complicated it would be for Flint to be in that relationship. Sort of… the first true partner for whom – I don’t want to say that sexuality was complicated, because it was complicated across the board... [we] just wanted to own that and let a lot of things live in subtext. I think the moment you make them text, that’s the cop-out. Like, the cop-out is making it seem like it would be easy for him to address this. [...] We had to embrace the fact that there would have to be things that were left unsaid and were going to have to exist in subtext and performance and context in order for it to be honest. That felt right. There is, at least to me when I watch it, a significant amount happening between the two of them that is all under the surface. We relied on the audience a lot to fill in those blanks. [...] That relationship is meaningful to both of them. It is singular, for both of them. We’ve never seen Silver invest in someone, in this way. So for him, it’s very new. It’s the first one of these relationships that we are aware of. We’ve seen Flint invest in people before, but not in this way, where he has allowed himself to be both Flint and McGraw, openly, and found some measure of comfort in that state. So for him, it’s new, also. I would argue that it’s not a contest, as to which of them felt it more deeply, but I think it was definitely meaningful. Personally, there wasn’t ulterior motives in their affinity for each other. It is genuine and it is complicated, in the way that it’s always complicated when you love someone.
Lowkey the saddest thing about iwtv s3 being a flop is we will never know what that lost thread from s2 about claudias death was about. The narration of her death came from armand of all people and there were a few hints that he was not being truthful to daniel in the retelling-- biggest one being that santiago announces to the audience that "everything you're about to see is a lie" in a reversal of how the previous onstage murders were real even if the audience believed it was a show being put on. Clearly this was meant to imply that claudia and madeline's execution scenes as they were told to us were a show being put on by armand in this instance? Further supported by how I Just Dont Think claudia wld sing that fuckass song in her last moments.
It could have been SO interesting to have this revisited from lestats pov as one of the only 2 other people who survived that incident. Maybe we might have gotten an explanation even about why he saved louis but did not even try for claudia even though he was clearly devastated by her murder, or why he left louis to rot in a coffin even after seemingly going through great lengths to prevent his execution.
But s3 refuses to engage with lestat's culpability in essentially lynching his ex husband and daughter, refuses to engage with how lestat aired out all the dirty laundry from this marraige in front of a racist audience, refused to engage with how lestat collaborated with nicky's murderers to do so. Lestat actually profits from the notoriety he gained from when louis did the same thing to him, while louis lost his daughter and ended up almost starving to death in a coffin. Lestat has NO business guilt-tripping louis about the book, or even knock off sam beckett guy about what went down in paris and it seems this did not even occur to the writers of this season.
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while i’m yapping today. armand’s motivations this season hold no damn water when held up to the books or the previous seasons of this show. is he violent? yes! is he cruel? yes! is he an evil mastermind and machiavellian schemer always ten steps ahead while plotting vengeance? no! what!
armand is desperate. armand wants to be in a cult, whether it be two people (him and his companion) or huge. armand doesn’t want to lead a cult. armand wants companionship, total devotion, and to be wholly loved by those he falls in love with. armand is controlling and manipulative on a scale that does not extend to willing, enthusiastic cult leadership. he picks people he wants to love him, and if they don’t, he tries to make that happen by any means necessary. armand is impulsive and shortsighted, blinded by his ideals of devotion and worship, and terrified of abandonment
armand in season two reacted impulsively and in shame when he stuck by louis’ side after the trial. louis assumed armand saved him and armand was too afraid and insecure to correct him. armand tripped into the perfect excuse and ran with it for 70 years out of desperation. he gaslit louis for decades in a relationship they were both clearly miserable in because he’s the fucking poster child of the sunk cost fallacy. armand doesn’t let go of anything until he’s FORCED to
santiago was the major schemer in putting the play together and armand’s cowardice and insecurity compelled him to participate and direct it. armand was VERY much responsible for his actions there- he played a major role in orchestrating the lynching of louis and claudia, but he wasn’t the sole scheming manipulator of that plot. he didn’t trust louis enough to abandon the coven for him, made his choice when santiago organized a mutiny, and those actions were fueled by his insecurity and desperation
armand is dangerous when he’s afraid. armand will do anything to latch onto others and feel loved when he thinks he’s backed into a corner. he’s a monster who is desperate for love. not a machiavellian schemer. not a mastermind. vengeance and petty cruelty have never been the driving factors of armand’s worst behavior; his misguided understanding of love is always at the core of the worst things he does
in 2x05 he asks louis if louis is miserable inside the prison of empathy armand has built for him
that line understands armand SO well. armand thinks he’s acting out of love. armand thinks he’s constructed a safe harbor for him and louis. armand thinks if he loves louis in the right way, if he can manipulate louis into loving him back, that things simply have to work out, because if they don’t, armand will be alone and unmoored. armand has NO CLUE who he is without tying himself to someone else
armand genuinely thinks that he’s acting in louis’ best interest for all of season two. he’s decided that this is their happy ending and he is DESPERATE to maintain it. armand goes down with the ship because he will not fucking accept that it’s sinking. he tries to scoop water out of the hull with his bare hands no matter how hopeless the situation is, because when he’s in a corner, he blinds himself to reality
i was so incredibly impressed and moved by season two’s depiction of armand. by assad zaman’s clear love for armand and deep understanding of everything that makes armand tick. armand is a monster. he’s a pathetic, clinging monster who at his core is so insecure and so blinded by desperation that he convinces himself he has no other option than to cling on to whoever he thinks will keep him by their side
louis spends all of his time in paris insisting that the devolving status quo is maintainable, that there’s a balance to find between himself and the coven, that armand can just tell them to fuck off and everything will be okay. louis doesnt budge a fucking inch for armand in paris. and that makes sense for louis’ character! it’s an overcorrection driven by his experiences with lestat; he was burned so badly in new orleans that he puts his fucking foot down and decides that he’s never giving someone that type of in again. he will not be hurt like that again. he’s in control of the relationship this time, he’s the dominant partner, and he gives armand the ultimatum of choosing between him or the coven because joining the coven would NEVER be an option for louis
they were doomed from the start. fresh off of his travels with claudia and the assassination of lestat, louis never would’ve given armand any ground. he completely ignores and disregards armand’s insistence that what they have isn’t maintainable and that something needs to change; louis places all of the onus for that change on armand. and when armand is caught between his coven of centuries and a man he wants to love who has never budged an inch for him, he picks the coven. he goes with the safer option. because armand would never take the risk of abandoning miserable stability for a potentially happier scenario that requires him to leave his comfort zone
maitre in the bedroom, maitre when it’s convenient. armand needs control. armand pretends at submission and enjoys playing the role occasionally, but armand is a control FREAK. he couldn’t control louis. he couldn’t predict louis would actually stay with him or keep armand by his side because louis spent their entire relationship withholding. so armand picks the coven, and then, when he can’t pick the coven anymore, he takes the in and stays with louis
the armand of season three is not the armand of seasons one and two. yes, armand is cruel. yes, armand is a monster. but the nuances of why he does what he does have vanished by 3x07. it’s as if the writers saw the fanbase’s ecstatic response to 2x05 and the only lesson they took from it was that we like armand being evil and violent, and that armand being evil and violent in any capacity is true to the character without ever considering the reasons he’s driven to violence. what a fucking disappointment
every single black sails character constantly has a little thought bubble coming out of their head saying it's a shame i'm the only sane and rational actor on this island oh well i can probably convince or force everyone else to go along with me
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all you new fandom members need to QUIET DOWN oh my god you're going to get us KILLED. we're happy to have you but if you keep talking about BULLSHIT like PUBLISHING fanfic for MONEY, Anne Rice is going to come back from the dead to KILL US. looking at YOU, maurauders fans, heated rivalry fans, byler fans...out here giving out interviews to news channels SHUT UP. we're going to have to start setting off firecrackers to keep the rent down.
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Actually, no, I don't think that friendships dropping like flies in your late 20s and early 30s because no one has time for that between overwork and family obligations and marriage and kids and partners and the ritual of the time slayer is normal and ok. No I don't think deep conversations and spontaneous adventures being replaced with a tired coffee every six months is a normal part of growing up. I don't think that emotional intimacy and soul bonds disintegrating in the face of practical inconvenience is a fact of life. I think that means something is deeply deeply wrong with our society and I will never forgive it for the friends I've lost