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Fair enough. I've done something harmful and I am not entitled to forgiveness. Thank you for posting this.

I don’t think it’s inherently transphobic. What is transphobic is learning that a person is trans, and becomining disinterested simply because of that. There are trans women and feminine enbys with vaginas. There are trans men and masculine enbys with penises.

When, I made this post, I didn't understand the issue completely. Now I do, and I apogize profusely. This no longer reflects my beliefs on the matter.

at one point in my life, I briefly considered using boiling water to self-harm, before finally getting over my fear of cutting I mean, technically I never went through with it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one to go through that thought process

john green deciding to just “look past misogyny to be nice to authors” fucking gee whiz another white guy another day smh

my opinion of john green gets worse and worse each tome he shows up on my dash

did you seriously just fucking use “it” to describe trans people

Yes. Some trans identify as it. Such as gendervoidfawn. I’m wasn’t calling all trans ‘it’. I didn’t just want to misgender anyone.

there are very, VERY few trans people who use “it” as their pronouns hell, there are more people who use nounself pronouns than people who use “it” "it" has historically been used to dehumanize trans people and justify violence against them if you were really trying to be not misgender anyone, why wouldn’t you include the most common pronouns “he/him” and “she/her”? if this was an “honest mistake”, then fine, stick with “they/them” from now on, but I’m having a hard time believing that’s all it was

That’s really all it was. Besides I couldn’t list every single nounself pronoun I’ve seen or heard being used and I did use ‘they’ to catch the the others. But like I said, as with gendervoidfawn, not all trans are okay with being called ‘they’. Additionally, if I was in anyway attempting to dehumanize anyone I would’ve only used ‘it’ and not have bothered with ‘they/them’. But also like I said before, that’s your opinion. All I can do is tell you that I wasn’t trying dehumanizing anyone.

that’s cool for that person on an individual basis and all, but the fact of the matter is, “they/them” is a gender-neutral pronoun used to refer to a generic person if you are talking about a specific person, absolutely you should use their stated pronouns, but “it” is not a catch-all EVER, and what your using it in that way was still incredibly offensive and insensitive just use “they/them” from now on, seriously

no, you didn’t cover “him” and “her”, you only included “them” and “it” if you are referring to a group of mixed-gender people (i.e. you are referring to more than one gender), you’re not misgendering anybody by using “they/them” that is literally the function of singular “they”, even in mainstream usage (also “it” is not nounself)

I understand that and I’ve yet to meet one person identifying as he/she that isn’t okay with being called them/they. So that’s what I used. I also found that other genders don’t mind being called they/them so I did. But I wasn’t going to call anyone who is offended by ‘they’ a ‘they’ anymore than I would call you an ‘it’. So no, ‘they’ is not a catch all term if certain people find it offensive. I don’t understand what is so difficult to grasp about that concept.

ok, so you clearly do not understand how the singular “they” works in this context, so let me explain AGAIN "they" has several uses: 1. plural, third person pronoun referring to multiple people 2. singular, third person pronoun referring to an unspecified person, meant to be inclusive of multiple genders 3. singular, third person pronoun, referring to a specific person whose gender/pronouns are unknown 4. singular, third person pronoun referring to a specific person who uses they/them as their pronouns in this case, you were using the second one it is similar to the general “you” in that you aren’t addressing the person you’re speaking to in particular, but anybody the “you” could apply to if the general “they” applies to multiple genders, it is impossible to misgender anybody because you aren’t speaking about anybody in particular it has nothing to do with any one individual’s pronouns, because general “they” is necessarily inclusive that is the whole point of the word

'k, you clearly still don't get it but whatever calling trans people "it" (particularly trans women), has an extensive history of violence behind it, but since you're so adamant not to understand how general "they" works, I guess it doesn't matter to you if you trigger people in some misguided attempt not to "misgender" people I'll leave you with one last hint though: misgendering occurs when you incorrectly label somebody as a gender they do not identify as or use the incorrect pronouns FOR THAT SPECIFIC PERSON you cannot misgender anybody with the general "they" (except for maybe in the case of a binary single-gender group - a group of trans women, for instance)

people with dysphoria should do whatever they need to do to make themselves comfortable, cis or otherwise my stepmom does not have the means to medically transition at this point in time, but she has told me before that if she could, she would as for gender roles… lol my point wasn’t that trans people should conform to gender roles, but that they should be true to themselves and their gender, however their gender personally manifests for themselves my gender involves being feminine while female, and masculine while male, as well as using commonly accepted pronouns associated with my genders this is how MY gender works - it doesn’t have to work this way for others gender is a very personal thing a feeling, even also, there is no way for anyone to tell if a trans person is dysphoric or not just by looking at them (or even just by talking to them), so you’re still full of shit stop projecting your internalized transphobia onto the whole trans community it’s far more harmful than any non-dysphoric trans person accessing resources MEANT FOR TRANS PEOPLE

did you seriously just fucking use “it” to describe trans people

Yes. Some trans identify as it. Such as gendervoidfawn. I’m wasn’t calling all trans ‘it’. I didn’t just want to misgender anyone.

there are very, VERY few trans people who use “it” as their pronouns hell, there are more people who use nounself pronouns than people who use “it” "it" has historically been used to dehumanize trans people and justify violence against them if you were really trying to be not misgender anyone, why wouldn’t you include the most common pronouns “he/him” and “she/her”? if this was an “honest mistake”, then fine, stick with “they/them” from now on, but I’m having a hard time believing that’s all it was

That’s really all it was. Besides I couldn’t list every single nounself pronoun I’ve seen or heard being used and I did use ‘they’ to catch the the others. But like I said, as with gendervoidfawn, not all trans are okay with being called ‘they’. Additionally, if I was in anyway attempting to dehumanize anyone I would’ve only used ‘it’ and not have bothered with ‘they/them’. But also like I said before, that’s your opinion. All I can do is tell you that I wasn’t trying dehumanizing anyone.

that’s cool for that person on an individual basis and all, but the fact of the matter is, “they/them” is a gender-neutral pronoun used to refer to a generic person if you are talking about a specific person, absolutely you should use their stated pronouns, but “it” is not a catch-all EVER, and what your using it in that way was still incredibly offensive and insensitive just use “they/them” from now on, seriously

no, you didn’t cover “him” and “her”, you only included “them” and “it” if you are referring to a group of mixed-gender people (i.e. you are referring to more than one gender), you’re not misgendering anybody by using “they/them” that is literally the function of singular “they”, even in mainstream usage (also “it” is not nounself)

I understand that and I’ve yet to meet one person identifying as he/she that isn’t okay with being called them/they. So that’s what I used. I also found that other genders don’t mind being called they/them so I did. But I wasn’t going to call anyone who is offended by ‘they’ a ‘they’ anymore than I would call you an ‘it’. So no, ‘they’ is not a catch all term if certain people find it offensive. I don’t understand what is so difficult to grasp about that concept.

ok, so you clearly do not understand how the singular "they" works in this context, so let me explain AGAIN "they" has several uses: 1. plural, third person pronoun referring to multiple people 2. singular, third person pronoun referring to an unspecified person, meant to be inclusive of multiple genders 3. singular, third person pronoun, referring to a specific person whose gender/pronouns are unknown 4. singular, third person pronoun referring to a specific person who uses they/them as their pronouns in this case, you were using the second one it is similar to the general "you" in that you aren't addressing the person you're speaking to in particular, but anybody the "you" could apply to if the general "they" applies to multiple genders, it is impossible to misgender anybody because you aren't speaking about anybody in particular it has nothing to do with any one individual's pronouns, because general "they" is necessarily inclusive that is the whole point of the word

people with dysphoria should do whatever they need to do to make themselves comfortable, cis or otherwise my stepmom does not have the means to medically transition at this point in time, but she has told me before that if she could, she would as for gender roles... lol my point wasn't that trans people should conform to gender roles, but that they should be true to themselves and their gender, however their gender personally manifests for themselves my gender involves being feminine while female, and masculine while male, as well as using commonly accepted pronouns associated with my genders this is how MY gender works - it doesn't have to work this way for others gender is a very personal thing a feeling, even also, there is no way for anyone to tell if a trans person is dysphoric or not just by looking at them (or even just by talking to them), so you're still full of shit stop projecting your internalized transphobia onto the whole trans community it's far more harmful than any non-dysphoric trans person accessing resources MEANT FOR TRANS PEOPLE

bullshit your internalized transphobia is not reflective of every dysphoric trans person’s experience not everyone wishes they were cis being trans means you do not identify with the gender/sex you were ASSIGNED at birth dysphoria does not a trans person make dysphoria fucking sucks, but I trust that non-dysphoric trans people who enter giveaways do so because they need it you are doing a disservice to the trans community by dividing us like this

jfc all you need to do to be trans is not identify as the gender you were assigned at birth I’m not trans because I’m dysphoric, I’m trans because sometimes I’m a girl, and sometimes I’m a boy incidentally, I’m also dysphoric I hate having dysphoria so much, but beyond having some internalized transphobia myself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being trans the only downsides stem from the cissexist society we live in and the ramifications of that for trans people please love yourself and stop policing trans people with your shitty, elitist notions of what being trans is

/tells you multiple times that being trans doesn't mean you have to have dysphoria /you ignore that in order to make it sound like I'm saying having dysphoria is super great even though I've stated multiple times that it is awful if I only identified as my assigned gender, but still had dysphoria, then yes, I would be cis, I'd just also have dysphoria my stepmom is basically cis, but she occasionally has dysphoria when I identify as female, I feel more comfortable with she/her pronouns and I favor a more feminine aesthetic when I identify as male, I feel more comfortable with he/him pronouns and I favor a masculine aesthetic if I didn't have dysphoria, that wouldn't change and you know what? you don't have to have dysphoria to be harassed, raped, or murdered for being trans tell me again how our non-dysphoric trans brothers, sisters, and nb kindred who suffer from transphobia and transmisogyny aren't trans, despite facing all the same problems we do

did you seriously just fucking use “it” to describe trans people

Yes. Some trans identify as it. Such as gendervoidfawn. I’m wasn’t calling all trans ‘it’. I didn’t just want to misgender anyone.

there are very, VERY few trans people who use “it” as their pronouns hell, there are more people who use nounself pronouns than people who use “it” "it" has historically been used to dehumanize trans people and justify violence against them if you were really trying to be not misgender anyone, why wouldn’t you include the most common pronouns “he/him” and “she/her”? if this was an “honest mistake”, then fine, stick with “they/them” from now on, but I’m having a hard time believing that’s all it was

That’s really all it was. Besides I couldn’t list every single nounself pronoun I’ve seen or heard being used and I did use ‘they’ to catch the the others. But like I said, as with gendervoidfawn, not all trans are okay with being called ‘they’. Additionally, if I was in anyway attempting to dehumanize anyone I would’ve only used ‘it’ and not have bothered with ‘they/them’. But also like I said before, that’s your opinion. All I can do is tell you that I wasn’t trying dehumanizing anyone.

that’s cool for that person on an individual basis and all, but the fact of the matter is, “they/them” is a gender-neutral pronoun used to refer to a generic person if you are talking about a specific person, absolutely you should use their stated pronouns, but “it” is not a catch-all EVER, and what your using it in that way was still incredibly offensive and insensitive just use “they/them” from now on, seriously

no, you didn't cover "him" and "her", you only included "them" and "it" if you are referring to a group of mixed-gender people (i.e. you are referring to more than one gender), you're not misgendering anybody by using "they/them" that is literally the function of singular "they", even in mainstream usage (also "it" is not nounself)